CURIOUS INDEX, 12/4/07
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Show me your scruples… If you weren’t quite convinced that this whole BCS system is a giant, steaming pile of elephant dung, you will be once you get through the coaches ballots. Among my favorties: **Lllloyd Carr – the 4 L version – voted his Wolverines 21st, a full ten spots ahead of their actual ranking. Oregon, the team Lloyd could not stay within 30 points of at home, is not on his ballot at all. **Dennis Franchione, apparently not content to fuck one football program in the ass, sent a parting shot to Hawaii, ranking them 22nd. Hal Mumme, seeing the team he wished he had, voted the Rainbow Warriors #1. **Tommy Bowden threw darts at his ballot. Oklahoma landed in the 10 spot, four behind… Missouri. Mkay. **The lone moralist in college football? Mack Brown, of course. Every coach except the Longhorns’ voted their team higher than their actual finish. As noted at DC Sports Blog: “The most stark moral offenders are: Lloyd Carr (10 spots difference), Mike Bellotti (8), Chris Petersen (6), Mike Riley (5), Randy Edsall (5), Tommy Bowden (5), Mike Leach (4), Ron Zook (4) and Phillip Fulmer (4). Frank Beamer (3) didn’t quite make this cut, but he was the only coach to vote Virginia Tech No. 2, meaning he tried to put his own team in the title game and no one else did.” **Howard Schnellenberger? Marching to his own beat. USC is ranked behind… Boise State? Crazy Requires Charisma Hawaii coach June Jones says Tim Tebow is a “system quarterback” and his own gunslinger Colt Brennan is college football’s best player. (HT: Wiz) Lord knows this blog couldn’t survive without all the feet coaches lodge in their mouths, but I’m a firm believer that if you’re gonna take the plunge into the abyss of absurd quotes, you gotta do so with charisma. Think pirates. June Jones?
Brian Cook suicide watch: day 13 Your uniforms match my penalty flag. Oregon State may have gotten the last laugh, but not without a valiant fight from the officials, who tried oh so hard to keep the Ducks in Saturday’s Civil War. And as Oregon State blogger Building The Dam points out, that may not have been much of a coincidence. Eugene officiating conspiracies: not going away any time soon! You gotta love it. |
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1
Aerobab says:
I believe Hawaii “Warriors” is the preferred nomenclature, dude.
December 4th, 2007 at 8:27 am
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Biggus Rickus says:
Jones is probably right about the pro prospects of the two, but every QB is the product of his system and Tebow has run his remarkably well against far better competition than Brennan. Hell, Matt Stafford will be drafted higher than Tebow when the two go pro, but draft status has nothing to do with the Heisman.
December 4th, 2007 at 8:31 am
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Holly says:
Page 6 gossip columnistMichigan blogger Brian Cook*complicated series of snaps*
December 4th, 2007 at 8:33 am
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Meh says:
Well, to be fair Oregon lost their starting quarterback…
December 4th, 2007 at 8:37 am
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stapler says:
It is kind of a dumb statement by Jones but I’ve never had a problem with coaches hyping up their own guys. Hell, his quote will make a great epitaph for Brennan after the Dawgs get done with him.
December 4th, 2007 at 8:40 am
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Jonathan says:
What about Stoops and his blatent attempt to get OU into the game.
December 4th, 2007 at 8:40 am
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OhioDawg says:
Nice job Peter…thanks for keeping the fixes coming.
The only thing worse than the BCS would be a playoff. Go back to the original format. It was better for the overall health of college football.
The sportsertainment leader disagrees, of course, but that’s ok.
December 4th, 2007 at 8:43 am
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Tom says:
How is it possible that Tressel voted his team higher than their actual finish?
December 4th, 2007 at 8:52 am
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karlhungus12 says:
Ahh, the Coaches Poll, the biggest joke in sports. Between the giant conflict of interest and the fact that the fucking coaches don’t even watch the games, it mystifies me why this poll is a component of the BCS.
December 4th, 2007 at 8:52 am
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CKGator says:
June Jones is an idiot. First, he hypes Colt Brennan because he’s a ‘great QB’. Then he goes on to talk about how great their system is because they beat Alabama with Chang’s backup–presumably because of their system. Am I crazy, or does he completely undermine his own point?
I won’t even bring up the fact that he accused Tebow of not being an accurate passer even though the numbers bear out that he was the most accurate passer in the nation. Wouldn’t want to confuse Jones with the facts.
December 4th, 2007 at 8:54 am
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Scalz1 says:
FAt Phil is a notorious Coach Poll fucker. There I said it. I hate Phil Fulmer. I feel better.
December 4th, 2007 at 8:59 am
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Brian says:
#8 – Yes, that would be what’s known as “Hoop Snake” logic.
December 4th, 2007 at 9:01 am
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Dr. Ed PHD.XYZ says:
Nobody is happy with the BCS, but it could be improved.
1. SOS assign a value.
2. Margin of Victory, put a limit on it. But assign some kind of value although it shouldn’t be too much.
3. Conference Champ. More points for playing a REAL championship game.
4.# of games played, kinda like #3.You are putting your 2 best teams at risk of a loss in a championship game
5.Head to head during season, if teams are ranked close.
6. A loss is a loss, shouldn’t matter when it occured.
7. Unrelated, Timeouts can only be called by a player on the field.
8.Holding, If you grab somebodies jersey that’s holding
9 No more spiking the ball to stop clock, that’s intentional grounding. I know it’s legal but it’s not right.
10.Put the kickoff back on the 35
11.Stop this BS of calling T/O just b4 a FG. I’m talking a nano second b4 snap
12. Make all plays reviewable.
5 No polls of any kind until 4-5 games are played
December 4th, 2007 at 9:09 am
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Daniel says:
“Oregon, the team Lloyd could not stay within 30 points of at home, is not on his ballot at all.”
I can’t defend putting Michigan in the top 25, but I can defend putting Michigan over Oregon. What? Should we rank Oregon as though Dennis Dixon weren’t out for the year? Without him, they’re a shell of the team that beat the Wolverines in September.
December 4th, 2007 at 9:17 am
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lost in ube says:
#8 – I think (THINK) what he is saying is that Colt actually transcends the system. They can win with Jason Whatever but with Colt they are magic. So what he is saying is that Colt Brennan is Jesus.
December 4th, 2007 at 9:19 am
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Jimer says:
#8, right on.
Thank you June Jones. I am sure that Urban and Timmy appreciate the incentives you have provided them to pound you without mercy in the Swamp next year. I’m calling 80+ points right now. I fucking kid you not.
It should be a nice little tune up to the ass raping we give Randy Shannon’s boys a week later.
Eat shit June Jones, you arrogant NFL fucktard.
December 4th, 2007 at 9:21 am
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Cameron Siggs says:
the funniest part of the whole ‘coaches don’t watch games/june jones thinks he15man is a system quarterback” thing is that if june “mainland” jones bothered to do any looking around at all, he’d realize that TT broke all of the florida high school passing records (well not all but c’mon, he only played 3 seasons) held by xaviar lee and danial weurffel. his “inaccurate” arm has given him a passing rating of 177.9, second in the nation to oklahoma’s sam bradford (who did it in a real conference) and OVER the non-system but PUREPASSINGOMGLOL!!!1!!! qb colt brennan. if you compare TT’s high school numbers to colt’s in college, you’ll see TT is clearly the better quarterback, as colt “the face” brennan’s fighting rainbows has only played high school teams. and boise state.
December 4th, 2007 at 9:25 am
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Cameron Siggs says:
and i’m with 12 on the beatdown that this is going to cause next year in gainesville. it’s gonna get reeeeeeeeaaaaallllll ugly.
December 4th, 2007 at 9:27 am
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Cameron Siggs says:
where’s stranko?
December 4th, 2007 at 9:31 am
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Year2-Dave says:
Better June Jones video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=e36f-Yql5MM
December 4th, 2007 at 9:33 am
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SpookyJuice says:
Kansas just scored again
How long do you think we could say this before people forget what the hell we’re talking about?
December 4th, 2007 at 9:37 am
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Raider Red says:
Yes, the problem with the BCS is the computers.*
* This was Herbstreit’s take the last couple of years. Riiiiight, Kirk.
December 4th, 2007 at 9:37 am
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Jimer says:
I guess the “system” has Timmy benching near 500lbs, squatting 700+, and running a 4.48. If so, then yes, the system does allow him to consistently run over lb’s on the goal line to score TDs. Ask defenders from any of the 19 teams that he has run over to score a rushing touchdown against in his 26 games as a collegian if the system is what made the play against them. What a fricking asinine statement. I think I just threw up in my mouth contemplating such fatuousness.
System player and innacurate, huh? In response, I pose the question, would he be able to be the most second most efficient quarterback in the NCAA or throw for 9,810 yards and 95 TD’s in 5A high school ball in Florida if he could not throw the football? Moreover, what QB isn’t a product of the system? I mean, Joe Montana is a product of a system, as is Brady, Manning, etc… you get my point. In fact, the only people you can truly classify as system QBs are the Colt Brennans, Changs, and long line of texas tech qb progeny that just throw the ball 8 yards 70 times a game. Tim Tebow’s system is the Spread Offense. It relies on a QB’s ability to pose a threat running and passing the ball. Without an ability to pass, the QB is not a threat and the whole offense suffers. See Juice Williams, 9 Zook 3 (Ill 2007). Spread offenses by nature do not put up gaudy passing numbers, so the fact that Tebow is throwing for what he has should be a great indicator of his passing ability. If Tebow had to be a drop back passer and run an offense out of the I-Formation, he may be a little less effective, but the guy could still put up big numbers. He has a great arm, above average accuracy and a strong pocket presence. The interrogatory I propound that would most accurately prove my point is: Did Chris Leak put up these type of numbers last year in the “system?” No, he did not.
December 4th, 2007 at 9:40 am
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stapler says:
is Hawaii playing UF next year?
December 4th, 2007 at 9:43 am
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Biggus Rickus says:
Jimer,
I agree with almost everything you typed, except the part about pocket presence. He doesn’t stand in a pocket and throw. That more than anything else is why I don’t think he’ll be drafted overly high or necessarily succeed in the NFL. He could learn it obviously, but he’d be something of a project upon entering the league.
December 4th, 2007 at 9:49 am
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Biggus Rickus says:
stapler,
Yeah, the season opener. I love that the Gators are pissed at Jones now. God forbid someone criticize Tebow, even if it is kind of a stupid argument.
December 4th, 2007 at 9:50 am
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Chris says:
Yeah Oregon fans… more help from the refs again. Remember OU last year? Yeah. The referees love you. Shut the fuck up.
December 4th, 2007 at 9:53 am
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gerry dorsey says:
@1
aerobab, these aren’t guys who built the fucking railroads!!
December 4th, 2007 at 10:00 am
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okiedomer says:
#6
Stoops trying to get his team in the title game is no worse than Les putting OU at 5, Bellotti putting OU at 8, Bowden putting OU at 10, or Schnellenburger voting at all (he put OU at 7).
And it damn sure isn’t as bad as the fact that OU was only 8 points behind LSU in the coach’s poll last week. By destroying the #1 team, they lost 79 points on an LSU team that only won thanks to the steady arm of Erik Ainge. I’ll repeat that, b/c it’s worth repeating: OU beat #1 by 21 and lost 79 points on LSU, who trailed the 3 loss Vols in the 4th.
#10
While I agree with the overall point of your post, I do have a minor correction: Tim Tebow is not the nation’s most accurate passer. Graham Harrell, Colt Brennen, Sam Bradford, Chase Daniel, Case Keenum, and Chase Holbrook all have better completion %s than Tebow, and Bradford has the #1 overall QB rating, edging out #2 Tebow by 2.6 points.
December 4th, 2007 at 10:01 am
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Brinson says:
Bob Stoops’ ballot is the biggest joke of them all. He has Mizzou and Kansas above LSU and Georgia, and he has Texas ranked higher than Mack F’ing Brown. Just blatantly trying to boost his SOS. Shameful.
December 4th, 2007 at 10:07 am
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Never Saw Molly Hatchet says:
Something tells me that June Jones might get found in the Alps in the Sugar Bowl.
December 4th, 2007 at 10:08 am
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UgasTexan says:
#6 Jonathan:
I noticed Stoops redonkulous poll as well. OU #1, MU #3 and KU #4, was it? Nice. Hey, why not put Texas in the top ten you fucktard? Oh, yeah, can’t overrate Texas.
I’m looking forward to our trip to NOLA and playing Hawaii (honestly, I am Pete Carroll jacked), but I would not have minded beating Oklahoma either.
December 4th, 2007 at 10:10 am
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buckeyejla says:
Just wanted to say well done, Peter. Until I scrolled down and read Orson’s post I had no idea we had a guest writer for the Curiosity Index. Not many people can be as obnoxious as Orson while also remaining topical and even enetertaining. Fifteen cocktails to you, sir!
December 4th, 2007 at 10:11 am
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Jimer says:
#25, fair comments. Time will tell. I do think he will be drafted high, though. If for no other reason than as Jacksonville resident, if he is available as a Top-10 pick and the team doesnt mortgage the future to get him, there will be a widespread revolt among what Jags fans there are. Sadly, it might come down to drafting Tebow to keep the Jags from having every game blacked out and/or keeping the team in Jax. Blatant ploy or not.
As for Brennan, he is the ultimate system QB. Just ask Timmy Chang about the system. That guy put up the best numbers this side of Colt Brennan and didn’t get a sniff of the league.
December 4th, 2007 at 10:12 am
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UgasTexan says:
29: spare me.
He put MU and KU in the top 5. Hardly defensible. Especially KU.
December 4th, 2007 at 10:14 am
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Biggus Rickus says:
Jimer,
You may be right about Jacksonville drafting Tebow out of desperation. As for Brennan compared to Chang, Chang was undersized. Brennan’s a bit on the skinny side, but he has the height and the arm.
December 4th, 2007 at 10:24 am
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ebj says:
Mark Richt also voted his team no.2, trying to put his team in the NC game.
Stoops voted OU 1 and LSU 6th, while voting mizzou and kansas 3rd and 4th. hmmmm.
seems Frank wasn’t the only rigging the ballots.
December 4th, 2007 at 10:26 am
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CKGator says:
#29
Thanks for the correction, I should have looked it up. The point remains, Tebow is an accurate QB and for a coach to take a shot at him like that is ridiculous.
It’s sad, I used to like Hawaii. Now I just want them to get destroyed by UGA. This is painful for a Gator.
December 4th, 2007 at 10:38 am
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Cameron Siggs says:
wtf is up with the janky, backwards posts??? since when is the last post first, and teh first post on another page?? HEAD EXPLODING WITH CONFUSION>
December 4th, 2007 at 10:51 am
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Anon says:
I find the concept of a fan and alumn of a school from the SEC commenting on scruples…what’s the right word…humorous.
December 4th, 2007 at 10:55 am
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Disgruntled Goat says:
Brian will blame Tressel again when Mike DeBord is inevitably named Head Coach at Michigan.
/god, please let this happen
December 4th, 2007 at 11:04 am
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Techie says:
The Coach’s poll has always been a joke. They self-professed don’t watch the games, and have a highly vested interest in where their team ends up in the grand scheme of things.
Problem is, I don’t know what to replace it with.
December 4th, 2007 at 11:06 am
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NativeSon says:
Something tells me that against the same “competition” Hawaii saw this season, Tebow would put up even better stats than Colt.
Yea. It’s the system. Fuck you Jones.
December 4th, 2007 at 11:06 am
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ewww.....gross says:
23: Wow, just wow.
June Jones actually has a fair point but he fails to realize that they’re BOTH system qb’s but people dont look at tebow like that because he plays at an established program unlike brennan. If you really watch Tebow without the blue and orange glasses on you’ll realize he truly isnt accurate, but he throws mostly short easy completion underneath or bombs. Look at the list of highest completion percentage, ALL OF THEM play in a form of the spread with the exception of Sam bradford. Tebow is not a great runner he just plays in the spread out of a shotgun which is easier to run out of, hence why numerous teams use a version of the “wildcat”. He has 22 rushing TD’s but only 838 yards, a 4.3 average and long of. . . 25 yards. Oh and he sure as hell doesn’t run a 4.48. More like a 4.6
December 4th, 2007 at 11:10 am
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Jorgé the Bass Player says:
We love you, Orson. Please ask the electric box gods to put the internets comments thingy back in the first to last order the way it was before.
Shit, like #39 said.
Howard Schnellenberger’s always been crazier than a shithouse rat.
December 4th, 2007 at 11:13 am
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PB @ BON says:
Holly, Jeebus, and I are subbing in for Orson this week; I’m trying to figure out if I changed a setting this morning when I wrote the Curious Index. If I can make the comments go back to the way they were before, I will.
Apologies, if not. Orson will be back next week and can probably figure it out.
December 4th, 2007 at 11:19 am
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Jorgé the Bass Player says:
Very entertaining, Peter.
December 4th, 2007 at 11:23 am
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okiedomer says:
#35
not defending as much as i was pointing out that Stoops’ ballot was no worse than a lot of other folks – there were several coaches and computers who had mizzou (and/or Kansas) ahead of OU, and the fact is OU beat #1 by 21 points and lost ground to LSU, which is a helluva lot worse than Stoops acting in his own self-interest (just like les, tressel, richt, carrol, beamer…)
obviously reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit, which isn’t surprising considering your handle…
if you don’t want coaches acting in their own self-interest (or in the interest of their conference), then the coach’s poll should be done away with – this happens every single year, and the faux moral outrage–OUTRAGE!!!11!11!!!–will never stop rational coaches from acting in accordance with their own self-interest
…and i wonder if you’d express the same outrage if last week’s ballots were released and we got to see who dropped OU this week in order to keep them out of the championship…remember, beating #1 = losing ground, so…
December 4th, 2007 at 11:35 am
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Rowdie Gaines says:
The comments were doing the same thing yesterday, Peter. Nice job this morning.
December 4th, 2007 at 11:37 am
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oc phil says:
Thje comments changed yesterday before Orson left.
Just click on “see all” to view the comments the old way.
December 4th, 2007 at 11:37 am