CURIOUS INDEX, 12/4/07
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Show me your scruples… If you weren’t quite convinced that this whole BCS system is a giant, steaming pile of elephant dung, you will be once you get through the coaches ballots. Among my favorties: **Lllloyd Carr - the 4 L version - voted his Wolverines 21st, a full ten spots ahead of their actual ranking. Oregon, the team Lloyd could not stay within 30 points of at home, is not on his ballot at all. **Dennis Franchione, apparently not content to fuck one football program in the ass, sent a parting shot to Hawaii, ranking them 22nd. Hal Mumme, seeing the team he wished he had, voted the Rainbow Warriors #1. **Tommy Bowden threw darts at his ballot. Oklahoma landed in the 10 spot, four behind… Missouri. Mkay. **The lone moralist in college football? Mack Brown, of course. Every coach except the Longhorns’ voted their team higher than their actual finish. As noted at DC Sports Blog: “The most stark moral offenders are: Lloyd Carr (10 spots difference), Mike Bellotti (8), Chris Petersen (6), Mike Riley (5), Randy Edsall (5), Tommy Bowden (5), Mike Leach (4), Ron Zook (4) and Phillip Fulmer (4). Frank Beamer (3) didn’t quite make this cut, but he was the only coach to vote Virginia Tech No. 2, meaning he tried to put his own team in the title game and no one else did.” **Howard Schnellenberger? Marching to his own beat. USC is ranked behind… Boise State? Crazy Requires Charisma Hawaii coach June Jones says Tim Tebow is a “system quarterback” and his own gunslinger Colt Brennan is college football’s best player. (HT: Wiz) Lord knows this blog couldn’t survive without all the feet coaches lodge in their mouths, but I’m a firm believer that if you’re gonna take the plunge into the abyss of absurd quotes, you gotta do so with charisma. Think pirates. June Jones?
Brian Cook suicide watch: day 13 Your uniforms match my penalty flag. Oregon State may have gotten the last laugh, but not without a valiant fight from the officials, who tried oh so hard to keep the Ducks in Saturday’s Civil War. And as Oregon State blogger Building The Dam points out, that may not have been much of a coincidence. Eugene officiating conspiracies: not going away any time soon! You gotta love it. |
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Filed under: Coaches, the BCS, scandals, arrests, and other eccentri, coaches shilling, conspiracies, nepotism by Peter Bean
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Since you want to call my comment about a Conf. Champ game Bullshit. Then don’t talk about the long layoff, THAT”S BULLSHIT. Hell just play 1 game and go undefeated, if you can. See, that’s bullshit too!
Comment by Dr. Ed PHD.XYZ — December 7, 2007 @ 2:17 pm
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#65
As long as most conferences have a Conf. Champ game it is going to matter to voters & computers.
1.It does put your 2 division winners at risk, or conversely, give 1 of them another win. It’s hard to go 12-0 when you only play 11 games.
2. Don’t give me the greed thing, we’ve got coaches making 2-4 mil. A good bowl game pays pretty good too.
3 A team that is 12-0 would rate higher than a team that is11-0, especially since they played a Conf. Champ game.
4. The only reason not to play a Conf. Champ game is to keep your top team from losing. Oh, and if you like long layoffs between your last regular season game and your bowl game. Every conference benefits $$$$ wise from a Conf. Champ game. If you claim it’s for greed then that could carry over to bowl games. I’m sure teams would go play a bowl game for free.
5.As long as we’re going to have this BCS crap, let’s get it as right as possible. And that’s not happening now.
Comment by Dr. Ed PHD.XYZ — December 7, 2007 @ 2:07 pm
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Note how Willingham is the only coach not to rank #14 BC. Figures he never forgot about that spoiled undefeated season.
Comment by bbc08 — December 5, 2007 @ 9:47 pm
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For the record the official of the Civil War game between OSU and Oregon was officiated by an alum of Lewis and Clark Law School, not Oregon. That said, the Sooners got screwed in Eugene…which isn’t a bad thing.
Comment by fustigator — December 5, 2007 @ 11:53 am
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Tebow’s response:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XCbW2d7Lbc
Do you think he said “system” enough? Gotta love it.
Comment by SwampThing08 — December 4, 2007 @ 8:06 pm
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I suspect Hal Mumme was just being ironic.
No idea what’s up with June Jones’ gratuitous shot at Tim Tebow. Coach has always been kind of an opaque guy.
Comment by slap-of-WAC — December 4, 2007 @ 4:41 pm
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@34
“Time will tell. I do think he will be drafted high, though. If for no other reason than as Jacksonville resident, if he is available as a Top-10 pick and the team doesnt mortgage the future to get him, there will be a widespread revolt among what Jags fans there are. Sadly, it might come down to drafting Tebow to keep the Jags from having every game blacked out and/or keeping the team in Jax. Blatant ploy or not.”
Not to equate the Jags with the Texans, but never underestimate the power of an NFL franchise to stick their head up their ass. The Texans passed on newly minted MNC hero and local high school product Vince Young (and then passed on Reggie Bush for good measure) so they could draft Mario Williams. The stupidity was astounding, simply from the PR aspect. Regardless of whether or not VY will be a great QB, he would definitely put fans in the stands, including people like my wife that is a UT fan, but couldn’t care less about the NFL. I’d really hate to see the Jags make the same boneheaded move.
Comment by Russ — December 4, 2007 @ 4:04 pm
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Did anybody else notice that both times the article mentioned Tommy Bowden’s voting record (once to say he voted Clemson up unfairly, and once to mention erratic voting - putting Oklahoma at number 10) those vote cited were actually the votes of Bobby Bowden down at FSU? Not sure if that was intentional or accidental, but just thought I would point out that inaccuracy.
Comment by Exley — December 4, 2007 @ 3:53 pm
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Fuck off. Oklahoma lost that game fair and square. If you don’t like it, don’t get your last-second FG blocked and try to blame the loss on an obviously atrocious call. That penalty didn’t automatically allow Oregon to score two touchdowns in two minutes on you.
Having said that, that whole UO grad thing is another example of why the Pac-10 sucks and its refs are the worst in all of CFB. Seriously, how fucking stupid can you be to assign a ref with an obvious stake in a rivalry to cover a game?? You just. Don’t. Do. That.
Comment by Innocent Bystander — December 4, 2007 @ 3:37 pm
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#44 you make no discernable points. Tebow completes 69% of his passes and has the highest yards per attempt of any QB over 300 attempts in the country. Is that not accurate? Hell, I am happy if I can make 70% of my piss in the toilet with my basset hound circling around underfoot, and he is no Quentin Groves, lemmetellya.
Your comment stating that he “throws mostly short easy completion underneath or bombs” is negligent at best. Cornelious Ingram has made quite a name for himself catching intermediate routes from Tebow this year.
Yes, you do tend to throw for a higher percentage in the spread offense if you execute properly. That can only be done if you have a QB who is a running threat and can throw on the run with accuracy. I could be wrong, but dont Washington, Syracuse and Illinois run a variant of the spread and their QB’s rank 116, 110, and 88th nationally in completion percentage. I would understand you calling them innacurate. Moreover, it is erroneous to pass off a blanket statement like that as fait accompli, for the term spread offense can refer to a lot of offensive schemes that utilize multiple receivers with one or no backs aligning in the backfield. To that regard, yes indeed Oklahoma runs the spread offense. If I’m not mistaken, Oklahoma was one of the original schools to introduce the spread, along with Clemson, Northwestern, West Virginia, Kentucky, and Texas Tech. Does that negate Bradfords accuracy or efficiency? I would say no. The kid is a player.
Your comment that Tebow is not a great runner is horseshit. I suppose Keegan Herring (Arizona St ),Jehuu Caulcrick (Mich St), Kaipo-Noa Kaheaku-Enhada (Navy), DeMarco Murray (OU), Javorskie Lane and Goodson (Texas A&M), Graig Cooper (Miami), CJ Spiller (Clemson), Kellen Lewis (Indiana), Mike Ford (USF) all suck then, because Tebow had more rushing yards than they had. Rushing TDs you ask? He was third in the fucking nation in that. I suppose Florida’s spread made him so much better than those mentioned above, many of whom may share the same offense, right? Last I checked 4.3 per carry is not too shabby. As a Gator, I will sacrifice him not being a game breaker take it to the house guy for him being a big play short yardage guy. To say he not a good rusher is a joke. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Oh, and I suppose you were there with the stopwatch and verified first hand that he is in fact .12 of a second slower than the Florida coaches report. What say you now, lawya?
Comment by Jimer — December 4, 2007 @ 3:28 pm
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@13 - Agree with most of your BCS improvements.
But, your points relating of a championship game are bullshit. I know it’s repeated over and over by the talking heads, but no one made the Big 12, SEC and ACC start having championships games. All of those conferences did it out of greed. The benefits, as well as the drawbacks of such games should remain sqarely within those conferences.
Until the the powers that be mandate a championship game, then I’d say no to your championship game factors. Also, I think a conference needs 12 teams for a championship game, and it’s not like the Big Televen has a lot of great prospects as long as ND continues want to survive on their own.
Comment by D-nice — December 4, 2007 @ 2:17 pm
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How ‘Bout ‘em Bs-BCS Computers:
Some of the coaches choices were bad, that is a given, but for truly, total bull-crappity, check out how the Bs-BCS computers recently ranked the teams. That is an abomination. The computers ended up with the following:
Va Tech #1 (the Ohios were No 3)
Some of the computers had Kansas ahead of Miss-you, even though Mizz-whatever whacked Kansas recently.
The computer component should be whacked and as bad as the coaches and harris voters are, it would be better to leave it to the humans for this bs-BCS rankings, or at least the last poll.
Comment by Stacy Keibler Luvs Me — December 4, 2007 @ 1:42 pm
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The lone moralist in college football? Mack Brown, of course. Every coach except the Longhorns’ voted their team higher than their actual finish.
Well, every coach who has a vote, at least.
Comment by Boy Howdy — December 4, 2007 @ 1:30 pm
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Favorite Clown Dept:
My favorite clown was the Dadgumster from Free Shoes University.
He ranked Arizona State above USC in his latest poll, even though USC whacked the crap out of AZ State a few weeks ago.
Time for Bowden to join Corso on the Clown Couch.
Comment by Stacy Keibler Luvs Me — December 4, 2007 @ 12:46 pm
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Coaches voting in their own interests! Shocking. Seriously, if they wanted to make it meaningful, this poll would be treated like any other collection of data points. Assume some possible outliers (fits doesn’t it) and throw out some of the top and bottom extremes. Assuming you have roughly 30 votes, throw out the top three and bottom three votes for each team. Since the poll is unlikely to have more than three coaches from any conference, would also help to reduce conference-block influence. (With the internet being a great datamine, holding past transgressions up to ridicule and show the result on final polls might also help. Go to it, FB statigeeks.)
Comment by MassDad — December 4, 2007 @ 12:41 pm
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Please, the preferred cheese here in Ann Arbor is Beaufort.
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Comment by chris — December 4, 2007 @ 12:39 pm
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June Jones apparently has not looked at next season’s schedule yet, or he has not learned from Geno Hayes, or he’s had trouble with Tivo on the east coast games. Maybe all three.
Comment by howboutdemgators — December 4, 2007 @ 12:33 pm
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As a gator and after reading the actual final coaches’ poll results, I want to add that Howard Schnellenberger is a complete douche bag.
Comment by AtlantaGator — December 4, 2007 @ 12:17 pm
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Stoops’ ballot is a complete joke. All three Big Ten teams above LSU, with OK #1. VT above LSU. All absolutely ridiculous.
My overriding wish is that more people had the balls to put OSU out of the game. Almost everyone not in Columbus would agree that they’d both rather see two two-loss teams in at this point and that two two-loss teams are probably the top two teams at this point. Enough of this, well they deserve it because they have less losses and are OSU crap.
Comment by LegalHokie — December 4, 2007 @ 12:13 pm
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#51 & 57 … good points, not that his previous voting was right, he is consistent.
Comment by ebj — December 4, 2007 @ 12:11 pm
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thanks phil
Comment by Cameron Siggs — December 4, 2007 @ 12:04 pm
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#37: Compare Richt’s last one to the one before: he voted consistently and, as a later poster has pointed out, going from 4 to 2 when 1 and 2 lose isn’t like voting yourself one and the teams from your conference 2 3 4.
Comment by UgasTexan — December 4, 2007 @ 12:01 pm
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Look, I think Brady Hoke’s done a great job at my alma mater so far, but even *I* know that he was only contacted as a professional courtesy by Michigan at the request of Carr (probably trying to get his old assistant a raise).
Hoke’s turned the program around. But he’s still 22-36. In the MAC. And reporters honestly think he’s a legit candidate at Michigan? They really don’t think that UM’s AD would be pelted with empty bottles of Merlot and rancid Camembert every time he walked down the street in Ann Arbor after making such a hire?
I have no doubt Hoke will have his suitors down the road (especially since we have all 11 starters on offense returning next year). But UM ain’t one of them, and I’m as baffled as the next person as to how this passed the sniff test for publication.
Comment by Papa Lou BSU — December 4, 2007 @ 11:55 am
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#37
The voters made Richt’s team #4, then #’s 1&2 lost. Second seems more likely than fifth.
If he were trying to cook the books, he would’ve voted himself #1.
Comment by NRBQ — December 4, 2007 @ 11:44 am