<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: CURIOUS INDEX, 12/3/07</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2007/12/03/curious-index-12307/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2007/12/03/curious-index-12307/</link>
	<description></description>
	<lastBuildDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:04:32 -0500</lastBuildDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5</generator>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
		<item>
		<title>By: DC Trojan</title>
		<link>http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2007/12/03/curious-index-12307/comment-page-3/#comment-272313</link>
		<dc:creator>DC Trojan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 20:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2007/12/03/curious-index-12307/#comment-272313</guid>
		<description>L-train @ 101, that&#039;s a fair point, but you don&#039;t have to have all 119 teams play one another to reach a championship - if only on the grounds of time required. 

Blog Goliard @ 106, perhaps we could auction off the right to sit in a machine gun nest for the monkey dancing competition. Can you imagine the money you could raise from Texas fans to take aim at the Sooners, for instance? We could pay off the national debt in a matter of minutes. 

BTW, it&#039;s not that I&#039;m in favor of specifically over-hauling college football. It&#039;s a bit like the imperial versus metric argument for measurement: you can&#039;t claim that imperial is remotely rationalized, but it gets the job done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>L-train @ 101, that&#8217;s a fair point, but you don&#8217;t have to have all 119 teams play one another to reach a championship &#8211; if only on the grounds of time required. </p>
<p>Blog Goliard @ 106, perhaps we could auction off the right to sit in a machine gun nest for the monkey dancing competition. Can you imagine the money you could raise from Texas fans to take aim at the Sooners, for instance? We could pay off the national debt in a matter of minutes. </p>
<p>BTW, it&#8217;s not that I&#8217;m in favor of specifically over-hauling college football. It&#8217;s a bit like the imperial versus metric argument for measurement: you can&#8217;t claim that imperial is remotely rationalized, but it gets the job done.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Brian O'Blivion</title>
		<link>http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2007/12/03/curious-index-12307/comment-page-3/#comment-272226</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian O'Blivion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 16:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2007/12/03/curious-index-12307/#comment-272226</guid>
		<description>SpartanDan, ASU was still 7-2 in the PAC 10, and that win over Oregon State is probably more impressive than anything Kansas did this year.  Is there a worse 11-1 record in the BCS conferences?  Also, going by opponent record alone is probably not indicative of much - Illinois beat Penn State, but 4 of PSU wins were against Buffalo, Temple, FIU and ND.  

We&#039;ll see how things shake out in the bowl games I guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SpartanDan, ASU was still 7-2 in the PAC 10, and that win over Oregon State is probably more impressive than anything Kansas did this year.  Is there a worse 11-1 record in the BCS conferences?  Also, going by opponent record alone is probably not indicative of much &#8211; Illinois beat Penn State, but 4 of PSU wins were against Buffalo, Temple, FIU and ND.  </p>
<p>We&#8217;ll see how things shake out in the bowl games I guess.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: meg</title>
		<link>http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2007/12/03/curious-index-12307/comment-page-3/#comment-272140</link>
		<dc:creator>meg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 06:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2007/12/03/curious-index-12307/#comment-272140</guid>
		<description>Modern gal- feel free to take that as a loan on the next decade because the only SEC main team that hasn&#039;t been really keeping up in recruiting is Tennessee. Every other team is going to get far better. UT is only going to get worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Modern gal- feel free to take that as a loan on the next decade because the only SEC main team that hasn&#8217;t been really keeping up in recruiting is Tennessee. Every other team is going to get far better. UT is only going to get worse.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Blog Goliard</title>
		<link>http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2007/12/03/curious-index-12307/comment-page-3/#comment-272138</link>
		<dc:creator>Blog Goliard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 06:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2007/12/03/curious-index-12307/#comment-272138</guid>
		<description>oc phil @ 100: I&#039;d vote for that. Anything that brings promotion and relegation to major sports in &#039;Merica must be presumed to be a Good Thing. Why not add a humongous amount of drama to sucky teams&#039; seasons by making them play for their lives. Dance, monkeys, dance!

If we *have* to radically revamp college football, let&#039;s make it more unique, not less!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oc phil @ 100: I&#8217;d vote for that. Anything that brings promotion and relegation to major sports in &#8216;Merica must be presumed to be a Good Thing. Why not add a humongous amount of drama to sucky teams&#8217; seasons by making them play for their lives. Dance, monkeys, dance!</p>
<p>If we *have* to radically revamp college football, let&#8217;s make it more unique, not less!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: the modern gal</title>
		<link>http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2007/12/03/curious-index-12307/comment-page-3/#comment-272135</link>
		<dc:creator>the modern gal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 05:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2007/12/03/curious-index-12307/#comment-272135</guid>
		<description>I find it hilarious that Tennessee found a way to beat Georgia not once, not twice, but three times this year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it hilarious that Tennessee found a way to beat Georgia not once, not twice, but three times this year.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Jorgé the Bass Player</title>
		<link>http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2007/12/03/curious-index-12307/comment-page-3/#comment-272129</link>
		<dc:creator>Jorgé the Bass Player</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 03:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2007/12/03/curious-index-12307/#comment-272129</guid>
		<description>#4 Rival- Duke would be lucky to have a rebuilding year.

Todd Gavorcik needs to be killed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#4 Rival- Duke would be lucky to have a rebuilding year.</p>
<p>Todd Gavorcik needs to be killed.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Yinka Double Dare</title>
		<link>http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2007/12/03/curious-index-12307/comment-page-3/#comment-272118</link>
		<dc:creator>Yinka Double Dare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 23:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2007/12/03/curious-index-12307/#comment-272118</guid>
		<description>You know, if they do go to playoffs just like the 1-AA playoffs, I won&#039;t really like it, but on the other hand the potential hilarity of one of the warm weather teams coming up to Ann Arbor, Madison, Columbus, South Bend, etc. in the middle of December and taking the field to the lovely discovery that it&#039;s 30 degrees and freezing rain/sleet is falling with a 25 mph wind would be worth something.  Or conditions like the Raiders/Pats &quot;tuck rule&quot; game with it snowing so hard they can barely keep the yard lines visible.

Yet another reason why the 1-AA style playoffs just ain&#039;t happening in 1-A.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, if they do go to playoffs just like the 1-AA playoffs, I won&#8217;t really like it, but on the other hand the potential hilarity of one of the warm weather teams coming up to Ann Arbor, Madison, Columbus, South Bend, etc. in the middle of December and taking the field to the lovely discovery that it&#8217;s 30 degrees and freezing rain/sleet is falling with a 25 mph wind would be worth something.  Or conditions like the Raiders/Pats &#8220;tuck rule&#8221; game with it snowing so hard they can barely keep the yard lines visible.</p>
<p>Yet another reason why the 1-AA style playoffs just ain&#8217;t happening in 1-A.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: SpartanDan</title>
		<link>http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2007/12/03/curious-index-12307/comment-page-3/#comment-272117</link>
		<dc:creator>SpartanDan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 23:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2007/12/03/curious-index-12307/#comment-272117</guid>
		<description>Brian @ 83:

Yes, Missouri got shafted. But I&#039;m not sure I&#039;d argue that Arizona State did. They finished the season with exactly one win over a winning team (Oregon State).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian @ 83:</p>
<p>Yes, Missouri got shafted. But I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;d argue that Arizona State did. They finished the season with exactly one win over a winning team (Oregon State).</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Ltrain</title>
		<link>http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2007/12/03/curious-index-12307/comment-page-3/#comment-272088</link>
		<dc:creator>Ltrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 22:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2007/12/03/curious-index-12307/#comment-272088</guid>
		<description>DC Trojan: conference champions are crowned the way they are because an entire conference can play each other, or, barring that, come pretty darn close to determining who the best team is in that given year.  That does not transitively apply to the entire field of 119, nor should it.  
And the sport being played is the same, but I don&#039;t feel like those saying &quot;its the same&quot; have really been to alot of 1-AA games (I don&#039;t want to hear about the top-tier Georgia Southern game you went to once...). 
College football occupies a unique historical niche, you have plenty of other options if you want closure to the end of your season.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DC Trojan: conference champions are crowned the way they are because an entire conference can play each other, or, barring that, come pretty darn close to determining who the best team is in that given year.  That does not transitively apply to the entire field of 119, nor should it.<br />
And the sport being played is the same, but I don&#8217;t feel like those saying &#8220;its the same&#8221; have really been to alot of 1-AA games (I don&#8217;t want to hear about the top-tier Georgia Southern game you went to once&#8230;).<br />
College football occupies a unique historical niche, you have plenty of other options if you want closure to the end of your season.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: oc phil</title>
		<link>http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2007/12/03/curious-index-12307/comment-page-2/#comment-272087</link>
		<dc:creator>oc phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 22:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2007/12/03/curious-index-12307/#comment-272087</guid>
		<description>Port:   Single names would only be required for Brazilians.

I&#039;ll have to head over to SMQ to see the discussion over there.   

My radical solution would be to strip down the number of teams involved.    Sorry mid-majors you are down to 1AA.   I&#039;d create 4 super-conferences who all had to play a full-round robin schedule.    Then those 4 winners play-off against each other.   

The bottom two teams from each superconference go down to 1AA and are replaced by the best two teams in the region  (so the Western superconference this year would lose Washington and Stanford and gain Hawaii and Boise State).      Programs would gravitate to their natural level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Port:   Single names would only be required for Brazilians.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll have to head over to SMQ to see the discussion over there.   </p>
<p>My radical solution would be to strip down the number of teams involved.    Sorry mid-majors you are down to 1AA.   I&#8217;d create 4 super-conferences who all had to play a full-round robin schedule.    Then those 4 winners play-off against each other.   </p>
<p>The bottom two teams from each superconference go down to 1AA and are replaced by the best two teams in the region  (so the Western superconference this year would lose Washington and Stanford and gain Hawaii and Boise State).      Programs would gravitate to their natural level.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: PortTrojan</title>
		<link>http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2007/12/03/curious-index-12307/comment-page-2/#comment-272059</link>
		<dc:creator>PortTrojan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 21:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2007/12/03/curious-index-12307/#comment-272059</guid>
		<description>DC and oc phil,

Does that mean the best CFB players would have to adopt one word names?  We&#039;ve already got RoJo; how &#039;bout Ausberrio?

Ok, I deserve to be cyber-smacked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DC and oc phil,</p>
<p>Does that mean the best CFB players would have to adopt one word names?  We&#8217;ve already got RoJo; how &#8217;bout Ausberrio?</p>
<p>Ok, I deserve to be cyber-smacked.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: macker</title>
		<link>http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2007/12/03/curious-index-12307/comment-page-2/#comment-272015</link>
		<dc:creator>macker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 20:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2007/12/03/curious-index-12307/#comment-272015</guid>
		<description>&quot;The argument has no force if 1-A football is somehow materially different from 1-AA through 3 football, all the basketball, etc&quot;


As far as being different from basketball-----It most certainly is.  You can have a basketball team play 2 games over a weekend, while you cannot ask a football team to do the same.  This would keep football from inviting everyone who wins every lame conference championship to a playoff (thank goodness).

As far as being different from 1-AA football, it is and it isn&#039;t.  1-AA takes the top 16 teams and plays them off.  Until the NC game, each game is held at the higher seed&#039;s field.  If you were to implement this for Div 1 schools, you would need to do the same and would not be able to use bowl games as the playoffs, as some have suggested.  If you think some bowls are sparsely attended now, wait until you ask fans to go on 4 weekend road trips in a row to undisclosed locations.  You are going to lose a ton of travelling fans on finances alone, necessitating that the playoffs occur as home games for half the teams.  So, the difference between 1-A and 1-AA football is the bowl tradition in the former.  

Bottom line is that the choice is between current system, current system and a plus-1, or scrapping the bowls and doing a 1-aa type playoff.  Good luck if you think that the coaches will take kindly to needing a top-16 ranking for a post season appearance.  Also, if you thought the mid-majors are screwed now, try taking away their only opportunities for post-season appearances in exchange for 1-2 of those teams making the playoff.  

Finally, 1-AA playoffs are no bastion of fairness either.  There&#039;s plenty of whining over who should get a home game, who should go and travel where, along with who should get in.  Not saying it couldn&#039;t work, but I doubt it will be the solution to all our problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The argument has no force if 1-A football is somehow materially different from 1-AA through 3 football, all the basketball, etc&#8221;</p>
<p>As far as being different from basketball&#8212;&#8211;It most certainly is.  You can have a basketball team play 2 games over a weekend, while you cannot ask a football team to do the same.  This would keep football from inviting everyone who wins every lame conference championship to a playoff (thank goodness).</p>
<p>As far as being different from 1-AA football, it is and it isn&#8217;t.  1-AA takes the top 16 teams and plays them off.  Until the NC game, each game is held at the higher seed&#8217;s field.  If you were to implement this for Div 1 schools, you would need to do the same and would not be able to use bowl games as the playoffs, as some have suggested.  If you think some bowls are sparsely attended now, wait until you ask fans to go on 4 weekend road trips in a row to undisclosed locations.  You are going to lose a ton of travelling fans on finances alone, necessitating that the playoffs occur as home games for half the teams.  So, the difference between 1-A and 1-AA football is the bowl tradition in the former.  </p>
<p>Bottom line is that the choice is between current system, current system and a plus-1, or scrapping the bowls and doing a 1-aa type playoff.  Good luck if you think that the coaches will take kindly to needing a top-16 ranking for a post season appearance.  Also, if you thought the mid-majors are screwed now, try taking away their only opportunities for post-season appearances in exchange for 1-2 of those teams making the playoff.  </p>
<p>Finally, 1-AA playoffs are no bastion of fairness either.  There&#8217;s plenty of whining over who should get a home game, who should go and travel where, along with who should get in.  Not saying it couldn&#8217;t work, but I doubt it will be the solution to all our problems.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: marcillac</title>
		<link>http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2007/12/03/curious-index-12307/comment-page-2/#comment-272003</link>
		<dc:creator>marcillac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2007/12/03/curious-index-12307/#comment-272003</guid>
		<description>oc phil at 93 - Trojan at 90

yes they do but in those cases the champion is decided by a home and home round robin ON THE  FIELD.  

Trojan made a pretty compelling argument for a playoff predicated on the international competition format over at SMQ.

I tend to side with Blog Galiard&#039;s perspective and don&#039;t necessarilly think that a playoff would in every case make the better team the champion.  Further while Trojan makes good points in his diatribe but on occassion the polling system (and the BCS - hey even a broken clock is right twice a day) it does produce a champion most fair, unbiased observers can agree on.  Trojan, I&#039;m sure knows this better than most when he considers the fate of his namesakes earlier in the decade.  

It can  be argued that those USC teams would have won a playoff but we didn&#039;t really need such to judge them the best team in the land.  This year we have no idea who would win a playoff and I suppose such a playoff is the most sensible way to crown an otherwise unidentifiable and perhaps undeserving champion.  Still, such a playoff would drain at least some of excitment from regular season and I&#039;m not willing to give that up to more fairly crown a champion when no self-evident candidate(s) presents itself.

BTW,  the BCS sucks, Missouri and ASU got massively screwed and, yeh, Poll and Bowl would be better (with greater flexibility though, Rose needs to loosen up).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oc phil at 93 &#8211; Trojan at 90</p>
<p>yes they do but in those cases the champion is decided by a home and home round robin ON THE  FIELD.  </p>
<p>Trojan made a pretty compelling argument for a playoff predicated on the international competition format over at SMQ.</p>
<p>I tend to side with Blog Galiard&#8217;s perspective and don&#8217;t necessarilly think that a playoff would in every case make the better team the champion.  Further while Trojan makes good points in his diatribe but on occassion the polling system (and the BCS &#8211; hey even a broken clock is right twice a day) it does produce a champion most fair, unbiased observers can agree on.  Trojan, I&#8217;m sure knows this better than most when he considers the fate of his namesakes earlier in the decade.  </p>
<p>It can  be argued that those USC teams would have won a playoff but we didn&#8217;t really need such to judge them the best team in the land.  This year we have no idea who would win a playoff and I suppose such a playoff is the most sensible way to crown an otherwise unidentifiable and perhaps undeserving champion.  Still, such a playoff would drain at least some of excitment from regular season and I&#8217;m not willing to give that up to more fairly crown a champion when no self-evident candidate(s) presents itself.</p>
<p>BTW,  the BCS sucks, Missouri and ASU got massively screwed and, yeh, Poll and Bowl would be better (with greater flexibility though, Rose needs to loosen up).</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: DC Trojan</title>
		<link>http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2007/12/03/curious-index-12307/comment-page-2/#comment-271997</link>
		<dc:creator>DC Trojan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2007/12/03/curious-index-12307/#comment-271997</guid>
		<description>OC Phil: you could apply the Euro Cup / World Cup approach to college football if you felt so inclined. This is where you start out with group play and the top 2 teams from each group go through to straight elimination. 

In this case, it would mean that each conference winner would go through and be seeded against a conference runner up. That way you could maintain the existing conference structure and have the playoffs be filled with teams who were there because they won rather than because someone argued that they were deserving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OC Phil: you could apply the Euro Cup / World Cup approach to college football if you felt so inclined. This is where you start out with group play and the top 2 teams from each group go through to straight elimination. </p>
<p>In this case, it would mean that each conference winner would go through and be seeded against a conference runner up. That way you could maintain the existing conference structure and have the playoffs be filled with teams who were there because they won rather than because someone argued that they were deserving.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Devil's Millhopper</title>
		<link>http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2007/12/03/curious-index-12307/comment-page-2/#comment-271995</link>
		<dc:creator>Devil's Millhopper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2007/12/03/curious-index-12307/#comment-271995</guid>
		<description>More satire please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More satire please.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
