CURIOUS INDEX, 12/3/07
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Bumper crops! On the heels of the extremely absurd setup of the extremely absurd final countdown to the extremely absurd conclusion of the college football season, what better time could you find to stop by the BCS’s website, an ode to propaganda with headlines like these: • The BCS Works It’s just what you’ll need to get into the key of bullshit this morning, especially if you’re a Georgia or Hawaii fan. The long list of people Sir Sweatervest needs to thank includes Steve Spurrier: if you’ll recall from deep within the early Cretaceous period of this season, South Carolina beat Georgia 16-12, giving the Bulldogs an early loss and setting up the Buckeyes’ return to the title game. What’s still got us pouring shots at 9 in the morning is the fact that this entire controversy hinges on a certain eight minute span in the Illinois/Ohio State game and an upset of the Buckeyes engineered by [NAME REDACTED], along with contributions from Jim Harbaugh, the Kentucky defense, and Blake Mitchell. With Miles staying at LSU, something it only took him an entire press conference and an interview with Tracy Wolfson to say, Michigan now has…Jim Grobe fever, motherfuckers! He’s just one possibility, of course, but he’s an amusing one especially when he’s got Tom Dienhart typing things like “it’ll be hard to get him out of Wake Forest.” Very much ungood yah things not happy good for Michigan right now yes yes. Yarr. Mike Leach in UCLA would be the best thing imaginable: Leach, a large media presence, the Pac-10, and public faceoffs with apparent Breathatarian, Humanitarian, and all-around freak Pete Carroll. Life, open the chutes to the silos of crazy and let them pour forth, because Mike Leach needs to hang out with Viggo Mortensen and Charlie Kaufman to make the cycle complete. He just does. Lloyd Carr will coach his final game in the Capitol One Bowl versus Florida. This game will not come down to a double reverse heave thrown by a backup cornerback. It will not. It will not. It will not.
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Ted Ginn did Everythin' says:
All in all, not bad for a rebuilding year.
December 3rd, 2007 at 9:38 am
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maskedavenger says:
So what is the line on the UF/Michigan game? UF -38 and 1/2?
December 3rd, 2007 at 9:46 am
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Jerkwheat says:
today’s coaching carousel rumor de jour is Tommy Bowden to Arkansas
December 3rd, 2007 at 9:47 am
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Rival says:
Duke wouldn’t have a bad rebuilding year with that schedule, either.
December 3rd, 2007 at 9:48 am
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WhiteSpeedReceiver says:
This is a perfect matchup for Lloyd’s last game. When the skunks are down 28 at the half and the sideline reporter asks some insanely stupid question, he’ll rip her heart out on the spot. The only way this game is more fitting is if Urban wears a sweatervest.
December 3rd, 2007 at 9:49 am
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Rashaan Salaam says:
Who in the world said this was a rebuilding year?!?!?!
I live in Cbus and not once did I hear it was rebuilding. OSU fans sold themselves and their schedule short if you truly believe that……and how can you sell that pathetic, weak dick schedule short?
December 3rd, 2007 at 9:49 am
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Michigan Gator says:
Admit it Orson, Chris Perry still gives you nightmares. At least Florida’s offense plays perfectly into the scheme Michigan’s defense stops best…
December 3rd, 2007 at 9:55 am
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gerry dorsey says:
@ ted ginn
a rebuilding year for who? the big 11??
the michigan faithful would eat jim grobe and his “spring practice ain’t that big a deal” ways for fucking lunch.
December 3rd, 2007 at 9:55 am
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Other Dave says:
Uggghh, as a Michigan fan I’d rather be playing anyone else.
I just hope we can hold Tebow below 60 (points).
December 3rd, 2007 at 9:55 am
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Sarah says:
Bulldogs got robbed. I attended the SEC Championship (wearing LSU colors and being told I smell like a corndog) and I just thought the game was not good, a bit boring and was a lot closer than it should have been since LSU is apparently a national title contender now … ugh. In hinsight, I guess I should have cheered for Tennessee since I guess that would have tipped the BCS scales in Georgia’s favor.
December 3rd, 2007 at 9:56 am
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Kegger says:
Has anyone seen fit to buy the http://www.thebcssucks.com domain name yet?
December 3rd, 2007 at 9:58 am
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devil's advocate says:
Now Sarah, to be fair, the SEC was up in arms last year saying that a team that “couldn’t even win it’s own conference” didn’t deserve to be in the title game. You can’t have it both ways.
December 3rd, 2007 at 10:00 am
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RaginCajunRebel says:
I wonder if the national press will really play up the speed of the SEC this year? I haven’t heard anything about the speed of the SEC vs. the strong but slow OSU defense.
Well, OSU did show that they can play with a speedy team in national championship games. So the talking heads won’t make a big deal out of it. Nope. We won’t hear the phrase “SPEED OF THE SEC” said once in the next 50 days…
December 3rd, 2007 at 10:00 am
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maskedavenger says:
UGa was getting leaped by someone. If LSU lost, OU, USC, or Vtech would have leaped them. Richt was right, if there is a viable conference champion to chose to voters will do so. This has been two years running.
December 3rd, 2007 at 10:00 am
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DC Trojan says:
What kind of pirate would wear powder blue?
Still, I suppose it would be rude to wish another 5 year seat-warmer on the baby bruins, so avast, mateys, let the mayhem commence!
December 3rd, 2007 at 10:01 am
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rusty says:
Just showing once again that at the NCAA, war is peace, freedom is slavery, and unity is strength.
December 3rd, 2007 at 10:02 am
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Herb says:
#8, Jim Grobe also doesn’t fit in at Michigan with his whole “overachieving” thing.
December 3rd, 2007 at 10:08 am
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DevilGrad says:
You guys are thinking small — Leach to Ann Arbor!
Besides, Wayne says they’ve got plenty of “pirates” up there already. (Heh heh.)
December 3rd, 2007 at 10:08 am
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Scalz1 says:
Well, Orson, providing you’re not in the pressbox(again), I’ll see you in Orlando.
December 3rd, 2007 at 10:09 am
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Techie says:
I have to disagree with Joe.
What makes football players dumber than Basketball Players? Somehow, BB players seem to manage to play across two semesters and have a Tournament playoff that lasts almost one month long.
You mean a basketball player has NEVER thought “School or Tourney”.
You mean basketball coaches have been, gasp, fired for not making March Madness in a set time period?? The deuce, you say.
Terrance Moore is a hack and everyone in Atlanta knows this.
December 3rd, 2007 at 10:14 am
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Jmac says:
Good Lord. I thought you were joking about the headlines at the BCS site. I mean … the Jason Whitlock column was written on Nov. 27 which, last time I checked, was before the monumental meltdown this past Saturday.
December 3rd, 2007 at 10:14 am
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Mr Pelican Pants says:
Breaking news: Tommy Bowden to Arkansas…..
December 3rd, 2007 at 10:14 am
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Blog Goliard says:
Good grief. Way to embarrass us, overlords.
I still believe the BCS is preferable to a playoff system (and a true plus-one would be preferable to the current BCS)…but it doesn’t make my job easier to have official websites filled with Goebbelsian garbage.
Do they really think there are even a thousand Americans out there who will be taken in by such bald-faced corporate boosterism? The people who teach Public Relations courses in college must transmit an incredibly low opinion of the public to their students.
December 3rd, 2007 at 10:15 am
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Doug says:
• The BCS Works
• Ex-Ga. Tech QB sees folly of playoffs
• All the BCS needs is some adjustments
I have a few I’d like to add:
• Kim warns North Korea of dangers of Western-style democracy
• Boeing exec sees folly of Airbus A380
• Thomas: All the Knicks need is some “adjustments”
• Weis one of the nation’s best and brightest coaches, says Weis
December 3rd, 2007 at 10:17 am
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The Humanitarian says:
Which BCS bowl did they send Notre Dame to this year?
December 3rd, 2007 at 10:19 am
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Dante says:
Ohio State is the Schrödinger’s cat of the season. With that weak schedule and their downright embarrassing loss to the Zookster, that cat is dead. You know the cat is dead. There’s no way around it. Unfortunately with the way the BCS measures things, the cat isn’t completely dead and has a shot to get their tail whipped by LSU.
If pollsters were at least being consistent, LSU would be playing Oklahoma for the BCS title and Ohio State would be ranked one above Kansas. Then again, if the sports media were being consistent, they’d be lobbying for an LSU vs. UGA title game.
December 3rd, 2007 at 10:19 am
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Ted Ginn did Everythin' says:
Uh, that the Bucks are in a rebuilding year has been the standard CF media meme all season in long, in part because they don’t know shit about defense, and in part because no one watched OSU play until week 9.
December 3rd, 2007 at 10:25 am
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Techie says:
The bright spot of all of this is that Tim Tebow will win the Heisman, breaking the cycle of “QB/RB of National Champ”.
December 3rd, 2007 at 10:27 am
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Techie says:
The bright spot of all of this is that Tim Tebow will win the Heisman, breaking the cycle of “QB/RB of BCS Title Game participant “.
December 3rd, 2007 at 10:28 am
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Techie says:
Echo…….echo…….
December 3rd, 2007 at 10:28 am
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D-nice says:
@26 Dante – it’s too early in the morning for quantum mechanics analogies. Really, it is.
December 3rd, 2007 at 10:30 am
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Sabanite says:
27
That’s because OSU did not play anyone until week 9…
December 3rd, 2007 at 10:30 am
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Techie says:
FWIW:
Chris Hatcher interviewing at GT today.
December 3rd, 2007 at 10:35 am
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Ted Ginn did Everythin' says:
@ sabanite: understood. I can’t defend the Bucks’ schedule, nor can I say with any certainty that they “deserve” to be in the MNC. All I can say is: Sure, I’d listen if the crystal football people called. During a rebuilding year. To play against a loonbat who’s never beaten OSU. Just wish Ol’ Brent would be there to call the game, although he’ll probably be on the sideline, caddying for Senator Tressel.
December 3rd, 2007 at 10:38 am
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DevilGrad says:
Is “caddying” the current Ohio euphemism for waxing his schvantz?
December 3rd, 2007 at 10:42 am
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Pants McPants says:
Dante- so, OSU’s loss to top 20 Rose Bowl bound Illinois is “embarassing”, but Oklahoma’s loss to Colorado means the media should be “consistent” and put them (with an additional loss to TTU, mind you), in the NC game…
This word, “consistent”, I do not think it means what you think it means.
And yes, “rebuilding”, picked around #15 preseason, having lost Heisman winner at QB, two first round draft picks at WR, our leading RB, and having like 2 senior starters, that is usually referred to as a rebulding year…
December 3rd, 2007 at 10:43 am
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Blog Goliard says:
@ 26 Dante: A dozen cocktails for the Schrödinger’s cat reference.
The bottom line is, there’s no good answer to the puzzle. Ohio State and LSU are both acceptable choices for a title game, but each has its flaws and either team might come out and lay an egg–and there are plenty of similarly-acceptable pretenders to the throne. This has been a great year of college football for so many reasons, but it is a horrible year to try to crown a MNC.
Division I-A college football is unique in American sport, in that it seeks to give the title to the team that has been the best all year long. For this to work well in a 119-team universe–no matter what permuation of the bowls/BCS system you’re working with–there needs to be a clearly dominant team (or, even better, two of them). This year there wasn’t.
The problem disappears if you switch to a full-fledged playoff system, but then so does the sport’s character as well. It would no longer be about being the best all year long, but about getting hot and lucky at the right time for the games that really matter.
My team, Georgia, would be the perfect playoff team this year: we’ve finished strong enough to be included in even a 4-team playoff field, and are peaking at exactly the right time. But that’s not how you win a championship in college football. You win it by being the best all year long, and we stunk up the joint against South Carolina and Tennessee. As tempting as it would be to consign those losses to the memory hole, I don’t want college football to become a sport where those losses become irrelevant so long as you get the wild card.
With baseball having sold its soul for a wild card, Division I-A now stands alone. Long may it do so. There are reasons that I watch vastly more college football than NFL football, and this is chief among them.
December 3rd, 2007 at 10:44 am
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Anonymous IV says:
As a Pac-10 fan I love the the traditional match-up, but 9-3 Illinois or Kansas should not have been selected over Missouri.
December 3rd, 2007 at 10:47 am
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Thor says:
Hey Pelican Pants, i thought Tuberville was going to Arkansas? Now you have me confused, you told me to write it down… ANd i had already written down Texas A&M and had to scratch it out.
December 3rd, 2007 at 10:52 am
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Dante says:
#36, while it is convenient to your argument to read the second half of my statement and discard the first, I did in fact combine the “weak schedule” with the embarrassing loss (and for the record, tradition is the ONLY thing that puts the Illini in that Rose Bowl) and really I lean heaviest on weak schedule (hence putting it first in my argument).
The inconsistency I refer to would be that teams who do not play tough schedules are not seen as good teams. To put it more plainly, a team who plays a weak schedule is not necessarily bad. They’re just unproven. In the polls, every other team who has a good win-loss ratio but a weak schedule is ranked down for it. Ohio State is the only exception. Hence the inconsistency.
December 3rd, 2007 at 10:52 am
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chris says:
has 2 loss les signed his contract yet? won’t believe it till i see it
December 3rd, 2007 at 10:53 am
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Mr Pelican Pants says:
LOL—Hal Mumme was the only coach that voted Hawaii #1….thats funny
December 3rd, 2007 at 10:53 am
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JJ says:
“The long list of people Sir Sweatervest needs to thank includes Steve Spurrier: if you’ll recall from deep within the early Cretaceous period of this season, South Carolina beat Georgia 16-12, giving the Bulldogs an early loss and setting up the Buckeyes’ return to the title game”
Not exactly. If Georgia had beat South Carolina they would have won the East and played LSU in the SECCG.
Where’s the post calling for Les Miles to thank all the teams that had to lose for his team to have THREE shots at being in the top two? Or for him to thank the voters who helped his team jump Kansas, Georgia, and Virginia Tech, none of whom lost, in the last BCS poll.
As a Buckeye fan, I don’t mind the skepticism about my team because its well-deserved. But I do mind the hypocritical bullshit and the lemming mentality of those who complain about tOSU being in the NC Game.
December 3rd, 2007 at 10:53 am
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Anonymous IV says:
#37, Blog Goliard, very well typed. I am thankful for rational fans such as yourself. But I am also thankful for the venom spitting lunatics.
This OSU/LSU match-up requires future postings from Haley LaFontaine. If I remember correctly Tressel told her that Les Miles dresses like a bitch.
December 3rd, 2007 at 10:56 am
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Mr Pelican Pants says:
#39
I typically use a Dry Erase board for my “big board” of coaching changes……
Coach Mangino does the same thing except everytime he turns around he inadvertantly erases it….
#36
Hows your “Heisman” QB doing these days? In fact where are the stellar players off of that might tOSU team that wasnt in a rebuilding year, last year….did they start the rebuilding before or after last years 41-17 scrimmage?
December 3rd, 2007 at 10:58 am
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Will (the other one) says:
inconsistency in the media applies to the Hypesman as well.
The biggest argument I’ve heard made for Tebow goes thusly: “the win-loss record doesn’t matter when you look at those #”.
Ok, then they shouldn’t matter for DMac either, nor should they have mattered when Colt Brennan topped 50 TDs passing last year.
Timmeh probably deserves the award (much like A-Rod and the MVP), but be consistent in your arguments people…is that too much to ask?
(Answer: yes.)
December 3rd, 2007 at 11:01 am
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Thor says:
If Virginia Tech schedules Youngstown State instead of LSU they would be playing anOSU for the title. How can anyone say that system works?
December 3rd, 2007 at 11:01 am
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Blog Goliard says:
“…a team who plays a weak schedule is not necessarily bad. They’re just unproven.”
Dante, could you put these words of wisdom onto two big honking signs–or maybe billboards–and send one each to Baton Rouge and Athens?
Thank you.
December 3rd, 2007 at 11:03 am
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maskedavenger says:
Hey Michigan (like OSU) tried the 1-aa path on the way to the national title. That didn’t go so well, so maybe V Tech lucked out?
December 3rd, 2007 at 11:05 am
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Mr Pelican Pants says:
#40
Yeh unproven is a good way to put it…..anybody can be ranked in the top 5 or top 10 if they win their sketchy schedule….til they meet real competition or get their depth tested, they are posers…
Hence the domino effect of Kansas, Mizzou, WFV, Mizzou again, which I believe except for tOSU, were hanging out in the top 10 for awhile….if your gonna work the system…finish strong and you will have a chance to be highly ranked all year BEFORE the BCS comes out, win out, and your in, no matter how weak your schedule is….if HAWAII had been ranked in the top 5 or top 10 at the beginning, they would be in….sorta like tOSU, but tOSU gets more press
December 3rd, 2007 at 11:05 am