MMM, WHO DOESN’T LOVE PRESS CONFERENCES?
The fact we have to wait for a selection show doesn’t seem half as unusual this year as a college football fan. As strange as it’s been, Barry Alvarez could come on the screen in a Cat-in-the-Hat raver cap, technicolor-striped pants, and twirling two glow sticks while screaming “SOMEONE GAVE ME BAAAAAAD DRUGS!!!” and it would feel apropos. It’s been bad trippy time for football fans everywhere this entire season–why change now? Just put Thom Brennaman in the fat pants, dose him on some cut-rate MDMA, turn on the camera, and let the fun begin. WHO LOVES YOU? AND WHO DO YOU LOVE THUMP THUMP THUMP THUMP THUMP THUMP THUMP THUMP THUMP
It feels so good when you touch my head…where’s my gum?
So while we all wait for the BCS selection show, please note that EDSBS Live, America’s Most Outstandingly Mediocre College Football Show, has been moved for one week only to Monday night on account of Peter Bean, our co-host, being exceedingly occupied this week for reasons unknown. (He’s secretly negotiating for the job of defensive coordinator of the Texas Longhorns. Let it be known that we think he’d be just as good as their current management.) It will be broadcast live tomorrow night when we’ve got BCS selections to discuss and a bit more time on our hands as a duo.
Regular programming continues apace tomorrow. For the record, we think placing the entire undefeated 2004 Auburn squad and the 12-0 1994 Penn State Nittany Lions would make as much sense as any other arrangement you choose, since the BCS is made to hand pick a pair of lions from the pride for their title game, not pull a pair a pair of random feral cats from a sack.
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101
Will says:
Okla State, Kansas State, Ga Tech, FSU and Louisville>any OOC team played, and beaten, by the Big 10
December 2nd, 2007 at 8:36 pm
102
notthequarterback says:
NMS -
I’m sorry if my language offended you..it wasn’t my intent.
But even SEC homers are telling you to pipe down. The bottom line is that every team had a bad loss that ended up hurting them in the end. Oklahoma had Colorado, USC had Stanford, Georgia (yes, Georgia!) had South Carolina. Ohio State’s only loss came to the Big Ten’s representative in the Rose Bowl; they won the games they had to win otherwise. Period.
December 2nd, 2007 at 8:36 pm
103
stapler says:
The point is that UGA keeps getting these games where they have nothing to gain and everything to lose. Why can’t we play a real opponent for once? I can’t imagine how many statue of liberties and fake punts/field goals that Jones & Brennan are planning right now.
December 2nd, 2007 at 8:39 pm
104
John says:
Well, we neutral college football fans have been denied [Name Redacted] vs. Urban Meyer. But we get [Name Redacted] in the Rose Bowl, which is even more hilarious.
And the Sooners should be in the title game.
December 2nd, 2007 at 8:39 pm
105
bnb614 says:
Rival what is the link to the individual coaches votes?
December 2nd, 2007 at 8:39 pm
106
Rival says:
#94
Hey, jackass – that was my point.
That year, UGA would get no props for beating WVU because they were supposed to, based on conventional wisdom. Dawgs came out flat and got beat.
So thanks, Captain Obvious.
Ass.
December 2nd, 2007 at 8:39 pm
107
NMS says:
They are also better than anyone the Big Ten has played and Ok State, FSU, Ga Tech and Louisville all have winning records against non-SEC teams and I believe all went to bowl games last year and are bowl eligible this year.
Kansas State is 5-7 (as good as Wash St and better than Wash) and went bowling last year
December 2nd, 2007 at 8:40 pm
108
Flop says:
Considering Michigan’s fun times with running QBs, is it too much to hope that Tebow spends significant time as a wideout, like Florida’s QB did last time we played them?
December 2nd, 2007 at 8:41 pm
109
Doug says:
Hawaii hardley handled SDSU.
Knowshown will plant his seed in June Jone’s daughter.
Twice.
December 2nd, 2007 at 8:41 pm
110
GamecockTX says:
Where are you guys seeing LSU -3.5 at?
December 2nd, 2007 at 8:42 pm
111
Annapolis Doug says:
Everyone is geting what the want…SEC Champ vs Big 10 Champ….What the hell…it is better than Big East Champ vs Big 12 Champ…
May the best team win…no BS lay off for 47 days crap…
What a scene in New Orleans!
December 2nd, 2007 at 8:43 pm
112
NMS says:
“NMS do us all a favor and go and drink a nice cup of shut the fuck up. Almost 1 of every 5 posts is yours rehashing the same points over and over. We get it you think OSU sucks. I agree their OOC sucks this year (not normally though). BUt the system put them in the title game. Deal with it.”
You’re a classy guy.
4 out of 5 of your posts are “shut up asshole” without giving any facts to support your baseless assertions.
I am not even saying OSU is undeserving of the game. I was responding to earlier points with facts and the facts overwhelmingly say the Big Ten has proven nothing. That is all.
You can try to drown me out my saying SHUT UP FUCKING MORON over and over but that does not change that the facts have proven you wrong.
December 2nd, 2007 at 8:45 pm
113
bnb614 says:
There is no playoff so your “Fact” that “They are also better than anyone the Big Ten has played and Ok State, FSU, Ga Tech and Louisville all have winning records against non-SEC teams and I believe all went to bowl games last year and are bowl eligible this year.” is baseless. None of those teams played anyone the Big 10 played so you can’t prove your fact that they are better. It is your opinion. And we have heard it 17 times or so. Get a life loser.
Sincerely,
classy guy
December 2nd, 2007 at 8:48 pm
114
NMS says:
And what does saying..
“drink a nice cup of shut the fuck up. the system put them in the title game. Deal with it.”
accomplish?
By that logic none of these threads or ESPN shows talking about matchups should matter.
That makes no sense. Seriously, explain why someone should just “deal with it”? Its football, its fun to discuss and watch and play. That is why NO ONE just “deals with it”. People are complaining about Illinois to the Rose or Hawaii even going to a BCS game OR the fact that they aren’t in the champ game. People have discussions about who should be ranked where? Should Kansas be ranked over Mizzou? Over Okla?
Should they all just stop dicussing it and “deal with it”?
And if so, why?
December 2nd, 2007 at 8:49 pm
115
John says:
Anyone else surprised that the Outback took Tennessee for the second year in a row instead of Auburn?
And as I expected, Jim Tressel once again abstained on his ballot.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/graphics/coaches_fb_poll_2006/flash.htm
December 2nd, 2007 at 8:51 pm
116
finals week sucks says:
If this abortion of a bowl slate doesn’t kill the BCS once and for all, there is no hope for humanity.
Oh, and you LSU pukes, congratulations, you’ve got the most gift-wrapped shot at the title I’ve ever seen. Having #1 twice and blowing it, yet still getting a shot? Come on, does Lester’s playbook look something like this: Up Up Down Down Left Right Left Right B A Start?!?!?!
I fucking hate this shit. Yet I love it. Why couldn’t I be addicted to something manageable, like heroin?
December 2nd, 2007 at 8:53 pm
117
Kate says:
“Ohio State’s only loss came to the Big Ten’s representative in the Rose Bowl.”
#100: I see you’re trying to insinuate that OSU’s one loss was a “good loss” because, after all, the Illini are going to the Granddaddy of them all, as the Big-10’s team with the second best record.
Well that says very little about the Big 10, doesn’t it? Twenty minutes ago even Herbstreit admitted how bad they are.
Illinois is in the Rose Bowl because its tradition to take the Big-10 champ, or the Big-10 runner up, vs the PAC-10 champ. If that wasn’t the case, NO WAY 9-3 Illinois would be feasibly interesting to anyone watching the Rose Bowl. NO WAY. If there wasn’t the hideous PAC-10/Big-10 contract, OSU’s one loss would be to a team no one would put in a BCS bowl.
Do not attempt to make the Illinois loss look like a “good loss.” Illinois had been beaten by IOWA and Michigan. Illinois was unranked and playing AT OSU. It was not a decent loss against a Rose-Bowl-bound (out of tradition ONLY) team, it was a home loss against an unranked team in the “Big” 10 who SHOULD be heading to something like the Champs Sports Bowl against another 3 loss team.
Admittedly, OSU did indeed get the job done at Youngstown State, Kent, Akron and a hyped up, eventually 4-loss Michigan who had an injured Henne and Hart. As for wins against “ranked” teams, where are Penn State, Wisconsin and Purdue now? Is it any wonder the Buckeyes are 11-1 when their highest ranked opponent all season was #19?
December 2nd, 2007 at 8:55 pm
118
PW says:
Why do people want to pull these stupid “we played slightly better out of conference teams” or “head-to-head is no way to decide who’s better” arguments out of their ass today?
The Big Ten was 2-1 head-to-head vs. the SEC last bowl season. I still think the SEC is a tougher conference, but the fact remains that when we had a chance to prove it last year, we didn’t. No amount of strength of schedule comparison can change that.
December 2nd, 2007 at 8:55 pm
119
beckett929 says:
“If this abortion of a bowl slate doesn’t kill the BCS once and for all, there is no hope for humanity.”
God almighty am I sick of hearing that statement!
December 2nd, 2007 at 8:56 pm
120
NMS says:
“There is no playoff so your “Fact” .. is baseless. ””
Ha, even a playoff wouldn’t “prove” a team better beyond a reasonable doubt. I mean, Pitt beat West Va. Who would say Pitt is a truly better team all things considered?
Does anyone think that, for most of 05-06 George Mason was one of the best 4 teams in college basketball?
I meant that it is factual that those teams are better than anyone the Big Ten plays if you evaluate them by the criteria that everyone agrees is reasonable to evaluate what teams are better than others..and that is things like record, schedule and victory/loss margins.
You know, things that the BCS and polls evaluate on. Of course no one can “prove” definitively that one team is better than another except in certain rare scenarios. For instance, would you agree that USC is better than Georgia Tech? Probably. But they never played head to head this year, nor had common opponents.
Arguing that you can’t TOTALLY PROVE THAT accomplishes nothing when a conclusion using the facts you do have is pretty clear. Just like the facts about the Big Ten this year are pretty clear
And how does disagreeing with you make anyone a loser?
December 2nd, 2007 at 8:57 pm
121
NMS says:
“The Big Ten was 2-1 head-to-head vs. the SEC last bowl season. I still think the SEC is a tougher conference, but the fact remains that when we had a chance to prove it last year, we didn’t. No amount of strength of schedule comparison can change that.”
Ok, sure. I was never debating that specific fact. My point has always been that the 2-1 proves nothing. And it doesn’t
December 2nd, 2007 at 8:58 pm
122
PW says:
Why all the LSU hate? And I think it’s a great bowl slate. I’m particularly looking forward to the following games:
OU vs. WFV
Ark vs. Mizzou
Auburn vs. Clemson
good match-ups, all
December 2nd, 2007 at 8:59 pm
123
Flatlander says:
*Kansas vs VT in the Orange*
What is the over/under on # of bib-overalls in the stands for that game?
Somebody better warn South Beach…
December 2nd, 2007 at 9:02 pm
124
bnb614 says:
Should they all just stop dicussing it and “deal with it”?
Because it is the system. You want to complain to make yourself feel better? Go right ahead. But I don’t like beating my head against a brick wall.
It is clear the system sucks and until they change it, it will always suck.
But the bowl games will get over-hyped, they will all sell out, get massive tv ratings, and by March, no one will remember these controversies, and the system will stay the same. We all agree it sucks. But you trying to continually say, “OSU doesn’t deserve it.” blah blah over and over is annoying. Were they supposed to say “we can’t except.” The system chose them. How much clearer can it be?
December 2nd, 2007 at 9:03 pm
125
bnb614 says:
And as I expected, Jim Tressel once again abstained on his ballot.
Your link is last year’s ballot.
December 2nd, 2007 at 9:03 pm
126
blackertai says:
Look, however you want to play it, Georgia got jobbed by the BCS again. In 2002, we were stuck playing a completely horrible FSU team, and we had won the SEC and were 12-1 (a similar record to the last two SEC national title winners, if I remember correctly…) with a stifling defense and an offense that was rolling pretty well near the mid-season.
In 2005, we got stuck playing a game in which we got not credit for winning, and only got laughed at for losing. Does that sound familiar to anyone? Anyone?! We’re getting stuck with a Hawai’i team that nobody will expect to seriously beat us, and if the Dawgs, who deserved as much as tOSU to move up into the #2 spot, come out flat and pissed like Auburn did in 2004 in the Sugar Bowl because they got passed over for no good reason, then we get ridiculed and told we didn’t deserve a shot at the MNC because we were pissed we got saddled with Hawai’i.
Look, no disrespect is meant to Hawai’i, but we’re roughly a 100 above them in any strength of schedule rankings. We’ve played tougher teams than them almost ever week of the year (sans our game vs. Western Carolina), and we came out of that 10-2. They played Cupcake U. every week, and are 12-0. Again, it’s not to downplay the fact that they survived their schedule, but it doesn’t do Georgia a lick of good to play them. This is the definition of a trap game, and I, for one, am tired of being the team that consistently gets saddled with them.
December 2nd, 2007 at 9:05 pm
127
PortTrojan says:
One thing not mentioned yet, regarding last night’s upset, is just how hot a lot of those West Virginia Mountain Mamas were. I had no idea. If inbreeding produces that, I’m totally pro incest…between hot people at least.
Sorry, I was really looking forward to USC-UGA in the Rose Bowl. The Illini matchup has my mind wandering right now.
December 2nd, 2007 at 9:06 pm
128
NMS says:
“Because it is the system. You want to complain to make yourself feel better? Go right ahead. But I don’t like beating my head against a brick wall. ”
So you have never complained about the results of a trial, election, congressional vote, BCS selection, AP poll vote, NCAA bball selection committee seedings?
December 2nd, 2007 at 9:06 pm
129
Kate says:
If anyone’s interested, the full bowl schedule:
http://www.sportsline.com/collegefootball/schedules/bowls
December 2nd, 2007 at 9:07 pm
130
finals week sucks says:
@ 120 re: LSU hate
1. They’re a bunch of drunk classless trashy fucks, who are the armpit of the SEC
2. They had #1 TWICE and couldn’t swing it, yet they back-door in.
3. Les Miles is a complete tool, not in the funny Coach O way, more like the “dude, why do keep coming over here uninvited” sort of way
4. Did I mention the drunk classless trashy fucks thing?
5. THEY GET A GODDAMN HOME GAME FOR THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP. You have to earn that crap
OU v. WVU will be good. VaTech and KU will be interesting, just to see if the latter is legit in any way. Hawaii looking to be the next Boise State should also have some appeal. I don’t see any of these being real barn-burners, though.
However, Illinois-Southern Cal? Retch.
Oh and @ 117, you wouldn’t hear that statement if they’d just fix the damn system.
December 2nd, 2007 at 9:09 pm
131
notthequarterback says:
115 -
All I’m saying is that a loss to a 9-3 team is hardly a “bad loss” when you compare it to the bad losses of some other teams who claim to have a beef on the BCS Title game.
To wit:
Oklahoma lost to 6-6 Colorado
Georgia lost to 6-6 South Carolina (no bowl)
USC lost to 4-8 Stanford (no bowl)
Now if you want to argue that Virginia Tech (LSU, BC), Kansas (Missouri) or Missouri (Oklahoma twice) got screwed, I’m all ears.
I hate arguing for Ohio State because I hate them with a passion, but to say it’s a traveshamockery that they’re in the title game when they have one loss all season is tricky.
December 2nd, 2007 at 9:10 pm
132
Innocent Bystander says:
While I completely disagree with Georgia playing for a national championship (seriously, win your conference title, or at least go to the game)…
I think Hawaii might upset Georgia. And I am completely serious. That team deserves to play in a BCS bowl and they may win.
December 2nd, 2007 at 9:10 pm
133
bnb614 says:
So you have never complained about the results of a trial, election, congressional vote, BCS selection, AP poll vote, NCAA bball selection committee seedings?
Yes but I don’t email the same criticism over and over and over again.
December 2nd, 2007 at 9:10 pm
134
Gurn says:
Rival —
Are you serious? I didn’t think the coaches’ ballots were public.
If that’s true, I suspect there’s some lingering animosity because Richt didn’t vote us #1 in ‘04.
Goose, gander, etc.
December 2nd, 2007 at 9:13 pm
135
steve says:
It really does suck to be Georgia. It’s a “so what” game if they win, a semi-debacle if they lose, and pretty much everyone outside of Georgia will be pulling for Hawaii in their heart of hearts. Tough cards.
Unlike 2004 Auburn, there isn’t a legitimate beef to be had here. Pretty much everyone in the mix could have been a slam dunk had they made a play at one point or another, but everyone choked or preempted choking by being out of the discussion early. The “hot” or “best right now” argument is pretty flawed, especially because it’ll be a month before they play.
The secondary bowl matchups are pretty disappointing (USC-Georgia could have been ALLSOME, and Kansas-Hawaii would be similarly intriguing, because would we ever know if either of them was any good?), but I’m going to enjoy the sweatervest take on the most histrionic team in recent memory on the big stage.
December 2nd, 2007 at 9:14 pm
136
PW says:
124
Um, didn’t Auburn win the Sugar Bowl that year?
And, while you had a decent claim for a MNC shot, I wouldn’t say you’ve gotten “jobbed.” In 2002, was the BCS supposed to tell an undefeated tOSU or Miami team to step aside because Georgia (who had last to Zook that year) “had a stifling defense and an offense that was rolling pretty well near the mid-season”?
December 2nd, 2007 at 9:14 pm
137
R.D. Baker - Retired Blogger says:
All I know is this:
Once again, the Fiesta Bowl has the most competitive game of the 4 BCS bowls.
Georgia-Hawaii? Blowout
USC-Illinois? Blowout
Va Tech-Kansas? Blowout
Oklahoma-West Virginia? Speed vs. Speed and 2 pissed off teams that feel like they have something to prove.
My God… it will be beautiful
December 2nd, 2007 at 9:16 pm
138
syc brown says:
113,
That’s last years poll.
SB
December 2nd, 2007 at 9:16 pm
139
NMS says:
“5. THEY GET A GODDAMN HOME GAME FOR THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP. You have to earn that crap”
Dude, that happens randomly. its not their fault.
Hell, USC gets to play in Rose Bowl very damn often..it happens
December 2nd, 2007 at 9:16 pm
140
PW says:
Why does it matter that LSU was #1 at the time of their 2 losses?
December 2nd, 2007 at 9:16 pm
141
Smyth says:
There’s a good chance of a split title here, but I get headaches just trying to figure out all the possibilities.
December 2nd, 2007 at 9:17 pm
142
NMS says:
135,
agreed.
December 2nd, 2007 at 9:18 pm
143
PW says:
136
Headaches? Possibilities? There is only one possibility.
MNC game winner = BCS Champion
Sugar Bowl Winner = AP Champion
December 2nd, 2007 at 9:19 pm
144
Kate says:
#128: Understood. By the way, if you hate OSU, who do you actually root for?
And Missouri did get screwed over big time. Illinois? Kansas? getting berths over Missouri (who, uh, beat Kansas)? Gag me.
Whose children did Mangino threaten to eat to get that bowl?
December 2nd, 2007 at 9:20 pm
145
EatmyMNC says:
Stapler, I let you shit go yesterday, without saying anything, but you’re F’n nutts. Enough said.
127, you are obviously a student. Go see the world, learn something, then realize your post is completely classless as you claim LSU to be. Get a life along the way while you’re at it and avoid eating many sour grapes along the way.
December 2nd, 2007 at 9:21 pm
146
PW says:
C’mon everyone, we’re all missing the point here. That point being that Barry Alvarez appearing on the screen in a Cat-in-the-Hat raver cap, technicolor-striped pants, and twirling two glow sticks while screaming “SOMEONE GAVE ME BAAAAAAD DRUGS!!!” sounds pretty damn funny.
December 2nd, 2007 at 9:24 pm
147
AZDuck says:
I really dislike Mizzou. But they got butt-raped big-time.
So did USC (another team I don’t much like), I mean, ILLINOIS in the Rose Bowl? Who the hell is going to watch that abortion of a football game?
December 2nd, 2007 at 9:24 pm
148
TigerNacho says:
PLAYOFFS
December 2nd, 2007 at 9:25 pm
149
notthequarterback says:
139 -
Michigan alum. It’s gonna be a long month. What’s your affiliation?
Id say I’m hoping to see tOSU get waxed, but the minute I say that, they’ll end up winning.
December 2nd, 2007 at 9:25 pm
150
Smyth says:
138:
Even if it’s Hawaii? What if OU wins big over WVU?
Headaches, I say.
December 2nd, 2007 at 9:25 pm