UGA got screwed!!!!!!! LSU had an unranked team put up 50+ on them last week, at home no less!!!!!!!!! What a travesty!!!!!!!!

I for one welcome our old BCS overlords.

How funny that Les Miles won’t even have to go to Michigan to beat Ohio State in 2008.

(PS: In a way, it’s good that tOSU isn’t going against Southern Cal in the Rose Bowl, because the two already have an opening regular season matchup next year in LA. Unfortunately for the Rose Bowl, Illinois is going to take their place. Snooore.)

War is Peace!
Freedom is Slavery!

Georgia lost by 3 touchdowns to Tennessee.

QED, stapler.

…and whats with all the softcore porn ads on this website?

Can tOSU just not learn? What part of

S peed
E quals
C hampionships

do they not understand? I, for one, am quite excited for the matchup!

Sean Glennon’s Jersey is an admitted Georgia homer……but Georgia shouldn’t play for the MNC. It wasn’t right when Chokelahoma did it and it wasn’t right when Nebraska did it. I do, however, think the dawgs would beat Ohio State by two touchdowns.

Aerobabe – tOSU played the cards they were dealt – now they are in the champ. game. What lesson do you speak of?

Year2-Dave

Based on his “head-to-head is not a good method of settling ties” argument in the previous thread, I’d guess your Latin acronyms will be lost on Stapler.

I still can’t wrap my head around the fact that Illinois, a generally mediocre team who, while they (deservedly) beat tOSU, still will get a BCS bowl bid over Missouri, who BEAT THEM.

But the dandruffs at the Rose Bowl still want to preserve the “tradition” that the Big Televen is a competent football conference and want to see a hometown team kick the stuffing out of mediocre opposition instead of an actual good game.

But it could also be that it’ll be a cold day in hell before Missouri actually has something go their way.

LSU has lost twice since Oct. 1. In the last loss they gave up half a hundred to an UNRANKED team. AT HOME.

QED, Year2-Dave.

You tell ’em stapler!! You are SEC East co-champs, and no one can ever take that away from you. Just ask Ole Miss.

I love how overconfident the SEC fans are. Sounds like us last year, and look how that turned out. Be careful what you ask for. We’ll show up this year, and Miles is used to losing to tOSU 0-3-1 as a player, 0-1 as a coach. And here is another fun fact, LSU has never beaten tOSU. How relevant is that stat? Its not, just as last years game isn’t relevant to this years game. Keep up the myths though, it makes your fall from the limb you step out on that much funnier.

After the 2002 tOSU team beat that unbelievable Miami team, I learned that no MNC game is a sure bet.

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And I’m excited to see if the SEC can improve on its 1-2 record vs the Big 10 in bowl games last year!

Sounds almost as dumb as your Speed Equals Championships garbage, doesn’t it??

Once you get past LSU, the SEC just isn’t that good. Once you get past tOSU and Illinois, the Big Ten isn’t all that good. Once you get past OU, KU, and MIzzou, the Big 12 isn’t all that good. (By the way, since only 2 teams per conference are allowed in BCS bowls, the two top teams left are OU and KU, and THAT’S why Mizzou is on the outside looking in, probably headed back to the Alamo Bowl.)

Oh, and UGA, when you beat Tennessee, call me. Quit whining, and get ready for the Hawai’i Warriors to kick your asses all over the Sugar Bowl.

Mahalo.

And stapler, 22 of that “half a hundred” came after the end of regulation. You know, when one of the greatest college RBs of all time was given the ball at LSU’s 25 yard line for 3 possessions.

Once again, I agree with you that UGA deserves a shot, but it isn’t like LSU obviously shouldn’t be there. And your “they lost twice while ranked #1” argument makes no sense considering the fact that your team also lost twice and wasn’t even #1 when those losses happened.

Also, the AP is going to give you a 1/2 national championship after you score 100 on Hawaii in the Sugar Bowl. So just relax.

Jeez, if I want to read the insane rantings of Georgia fans who don’t understand “SEC Champion, 11-2” trumps “Not the SEC East Champion, 10-2”, I’ll go to ajc.com (which I won’t).

Go put on your black jammies and storm an endzone somewhere. See if that helps.

Currently, my trusty Post-It pad is looking something like this:

MNC—tOSU v LSU
Rose—USC v Pool
Fiesta—OU v Pool
Sugar—Pool v Pool
Orange Bowl—VT v Pool

Pool Teams:
—The two automatics at the moment are Hawaii (who I see going to the Orange Bowl) and WFVU (a Fiesta Bowl bid)
—Then, four teams enter, one team leaves going to the Cotton Bowl: Mizzou, kansas, UGA and Illinois. I see UGA and Mizzou going to the Sugar Bowl and Illinois going to the Rose.

Moral of the story? The Rose Bowl are a bunch of dunderheads who hate change.

I agree #2.

Just put a hastily written sign that says “Hail BCS”

UGA was the third best team in the SEC.

Sorry, but only Bama can claim MNCs after finishing 3rd in the SEC (Hello 1941 title!)

Yes, but what Ohio State fans’ brilliant Theorem of Losing Comfort fails to take into consideration their own teams’ predilection for getting throttled by SEC teams.

And Ron Zook.

Every SEC football fan should agree that the SEC Champ should play in the MNC game every year… champ from the best conference should never be ranked lower than #2 before the bowls.

24: And the congregation said “AMEN!”

Choose any two of the top eight teams. Would any of us agree that the winner of that game would be the best team in the country. No way to compare other than a playoff and that’s not going to happen.

 Its just that one team will happen to get to hold up that stupid crystal football at the end. The only people who believe that team is truly the best in the land wiill be its alumni and fans.

That being said. My boys learned that overconfidence is a killer. You SEC wonks keep the trash talk coming.

Look, I’m a UGA fan too, but you can’t say we really clearly deserve the championship game. LSU lost twice in triple overtime… we choked offensively to South Carolina (we turn one of those four FGs into a TD and we win) and we let Tennessee stomp us.

They lost twice in triple OT to teams just as good and won the conference.

Clear advantage to LSU

And to think… all this fuss because West @#$%^ Virginia couldn’t take care of business against Pitt

I blame them for the mess we have.

No UGA fan would be complaining at all if they were playing anyone but the perceived weakest team in the BCS yet AGAIN….FSU, WVU, and now this. WVU is a case in point- UGA didn’t even bother getting off the bus for the entire first half and lost by three points to a supposedly equal component. Basically all these games are meaningless except the MNC- you might as well give the country the match-ups it wants. Every knowledgable football fan has a good idea of what will happen in the Sugar Bowl- Richt and co will run a clock-eating run game and Martinez will likley only have to send the 4 upfront after Brennan leaving the rest to sit the mid and short routes. So instead of being able to look forward to an exciting game, this fan has to pray for a boring one. Great end to the season.

El Hombre – you realize that the BCS bowls, by rule, cannot take both Missouri and Kansas because it would be three teams from the same conference, correct? And thus there isn’t anyone else the Rose Bowl could take (aside from possibly Clemson, if they end up in the top 14, and … well, if you think taking Clemson over Illinois makes sense, you’re nuts). The Sugar Bowl could veto if the Rose wants Georgia anyway, so their other options are the Big XII teams, and whichever bowl chooses one is going to end up pissing someone off (either leaving out a one-loss Kansas or a Missouri team that would have beaten two BCS participants).

That would be Fuckin’ West Fuckin’ Virginia.

The couches are in a half-burnt state.

Can the Big 10 get 2 more good teams so we can have a playoff please?? I still dont know how Notre Dame is guaranteed a BCS bowl if they finish 8th….WTF is that about? Who needs independents??
If Hawaii can have a team….what about Alaska and Puerto Rico???

15,
youre an idiot.

You really think that Penn St vs. Tennessee and Ark v ’Consin counts anywhere near as much as the National Title Game?

13,
Last year you were overconfident for no reason. SEC fans are confident because of very good reasons. Reasons like our champ beating the ACC champ 48-7 and our 06 champ beating the 06 Big 10 champ 48-7 as well.

Also, there are things like..
Georgia easily handling decent ACC and big 12 teams like Ga Tech and Ok St 35-14 or something in that range.

Florida owning FSU

-our midlevel teams, like KY, beating projected Big East champs

We actually have damn good reasons for know we’re better

#29: that’s why I said “four teams enter, one team leaves going to the Cotton Bowl”, the Cotton Bowl being the top non-BCS bowl the Big XII has.

Come the Revolution, we’ll have a playoff, every team would have an equal chance of winning (that means you too, Hawaii) and both Columbia and Lawrence would be happy. But until then we just have to keep arguing and watch as TAFKAtOSUB gets all smug with us.

32,

I didnt realize that certain bowl games counted more than others when determining one team’s superiority over the other. So non-title BCS games amount to 1/2 a win? Bowl games played in December count for 1/4 a win? Please let me in on the proper formula for measuring the SEC vs the Big Ten in Bowl games last year, I was unaware that it had to be parsed more than the SEC being 1-2 vs the Big ten. Jackass.

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Thats retarded!!! youre counting beating a ‘projected’ champ as a great win?? WTF?? Louisville were clearly flawed, and that win doesnt look so great since Syracuse beat that same team by the same margin KY did… SYRACUSE!!!!

Your best team got CRUSHED by our best team in the biggest game of them all. Jackass.

Two narrow victories by lesser teams do not erase your conference losing a championship to the SEC by 41 points.

Oh, and your conference has lost to a I-aa team AND Duke this year. Cool!

Oh… and I recall that same FSU team beating Alabama…. and ’bama also losing to UL-Monroe… so dont go on and on and on about youre superiority

Even though Ohio St is a joke I just want to say that I’m glad we don’t have a WV/Mizzou National Champ. That would’ve sucked!

Texas ASU in the Holiday: http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/103255

35, even if you take that KY win out it doesn’t change the overall point of my post. The SEC still has plenty of big wins over the other conferences.

Texas A&M vs. Penn State in the Alamo. Yaaaaaaaaaaaaawn.

That PSU ’94 team was fucking bananas on offense.

Ok, so Bama choked away the rest of their year. What is your point. Northwestern, as good in the Big 10 as Bama is in the SEC, lost to DUKE… DUKE!

Oh, and I should amend my previous post… the big 10 had TWO I-AA losses this year plus the Duke loss.

Who has the Big Ten beaten out of conference?

36

What 41-point game are you talking about? Ohio State lost to Florida by 27, not 41. Get your facts right. And Penn State won its bowl game by 10 points last year; hardly a “narrow” victory.

And way to cherrypick the Big Ten’s worst 2 losses…here’s a fun fact for you: The Big Ten went 5-4 vs BCS teams in non-conference games this season. The SEC went 7-7. OMG Big Ten rulez

#38: How? It would have had two excellent spread offenses (and therefore a lot of scoring) and also two nontraditional powers attempting to make their marks.

Instead we get another overrated Big Televen team thrown to the werewolf with a chainsaw for a dick.

14 minutes until we find out who plays who.

Oklahoma v Kansas – 2 Big 12 teams in the Fiesta Bowl would be a travesty and an automatic W for the Sooners.

West Virginia v Virginia Tech would be a nice memory lane for 2 hated rivals from their Big East days. (Anyone else remember Shayne Graham’s game winning fg vs West VA to send VT to the title game in 1999?)

Hoping the Zooker will get to take on Pete Carroll’s crew in the Rose Bowl. Although seeing him beat Florida would have been nice too.

NMS – Ohio State’s in the title game baby!! The system sucks but they picked OSU and I’ll take it! I’ll see your team there. Oh wait, no I won’t! Ha. Better luck next year!

werewolf with a chainsaw for a dick.

I really hope you pay Orson royalties for every time you steal his line. How original.

Almost as annoying as the race to say “MAO” after an upset.

Once again 43…
show me an important out of conf game the big 10 won this year.
The best wins I can find so far are Consin over Wazzu and Purdue over MAC Champ Cent Mich.
Mich St beating 6-7 Pitt by 4 looks like your third best win.

And I apologize for misremembering the score, but does “only” choking by 27 really make things that much better?

By the way, are you including three or four Big Ten wins over Notre Dame as a BCS wins? If so… weak.
Two or three of your BCS-conf wins also came over SYRACUSE.
Seriously.

Show me something the Big Ten has shown out of conference

32

Who’s the moron?

You managed to get almost every one of your facts wrong.

Who gives a shit if Kentucky beat the “projected” big east champ. Louisville sucked this year. Kentucky didn’t play a single decent team out of conference, much like most of the rest of the SEC.

Ohio State lost 41-14, not 48-7

And since when do some games count more than others? A loss is a loss, something SEC fans (and coaches) don’t seem to grasp. It doesn’t matter if you lose in overtime, it doesn’t matter if you have a couple players hurt. You lost. If the second best team in the SEC loses to the third best team in the Big Ten (Wisconsin vs Arkansas), it’s still a loss.

I freakin’ hate Pitt.

Actually, hate is not a strong enough word…

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Can’t you READ? I said “non-conference games against teams from BCS conferences” – that does NOT mean Notre Dame which is an “in-de-pen-dent.”

And I have just shown you that the Big Ten has a WINNING record in those games while the SEC does NOT.

And “misremembering” the score doesnt change the dominance of the game, it just makes you look like a fucking idiot.

I’m done arguing with someone who argues in the face of a 1-2 record in bowl wins because one win was “bigger” than another.

LSU – 3.5 against OSU

After looking through the Big 10 out of conf sceds that is exactly what it is.

The big ten BCS wins

Four wins over Notre Dame (Penn St, Mich St, Purdue, Mich)*, two wins over Syracuse (Iowa, Illinois), one win over 4-9 Washington (Oh St), one 4 point win over 6-7 Pitt (Mich St) and one win over 5-7 Washington State

*=A BCS team but not in a conf. I don’t know how you want to count that but whatever, they dont matter

They’re trying to make this like the NCAA hoops show.

I hate football. I need to learn how to watch soccer. Wait…..my bad.

Colt Brennan looks like a giant douche in his Fred Durst style hat. The UGA D should destroy you

Loud Noises!!!!!

Really, not remembering the exact score of a game a year ago make me a “fucking idiot”?
Classy

And yes, I know ND is an independent. They are however a BCS team, it is a gray area.

“And since when do some games count more than others? A loss is a loss, something SEC fans (and coaches) don’t seem to grasp. It doesn’t matter if you lose in overtime, it doesn’t matter if you have a couple players hurt. You lost. If the second best team in the SEC loses to the third best team in the Big Ten (Wisconsin vs Arkansas), it’s still a loss.”

Well..sure it is still a loss. But the counting the #2 team from one conference beating the #4 from another the same as a #2 vs. #2 match does not tell you much about the comparitive strengths of conferences, which is what I am getting at.

And if you really think a 1-2 record from last year alone or a 5-4 vs. 7-7 is that statistically significant you are nuts

Here are the headlines on the BCS website:

• The BCS Works
• Ex-Ga. Tech QB sees folly of playoffs
• All the BCS needs is some adjustments
• Q&A: Chances are still stacked against playoff

Nazi Germany, anyone?

What would WfV give for a 4 point win over Pitt right now? STFU

Seriously..
Some big 10 fan show me one important out of conference win you had this year and I’ll shut up. Its that simple. In 2007 the Big Ten played NO ONE and actually often lost to the no ones (Duke and two I-AAs).

Fact:
The Big Ten showed no evidence of an ability to beat good out of conference teams this year.

Prove that wrong

59,
How does your response there disprove my point. Yes Pitt beat WV. They also lost seven times. What is your point in posting that?

I’ll admit Pitt is an “ok” team. They are still a team worse than average despite pulling out a huge win in a rivalry game over a good team

Big Ten Out of Conference

Well the 2 years before this OSU played Texas
Next 2 years they play USC
2 years after that they play Miami
the 2 years after that they play Virginia Tech

Washington this year was left over from a home and home schedule that hadn’t been completed. (Scheduled back when Wash was good)

So Ohio State typically schedules a strong opponent.

Show me the strong OOC schedule for Texas, Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, Arkansas, or any number of other teams.

Quit trying to perpetuate a myth that somehow everyone is scheduling strong OOC scheds except a few teams.

58:

It’s Fox, for crying out loud. What do you expect them to be…fair and balanced?

I cannot believe I am sitting through this bullshit show just to be pissed off….one gigantic advertisement for all the BCS sponsors…..hate this!

And dude, I have as foul a mouth as anyone but resorting to calling someone a “moron” “fucking idiot” and telling em to “shut the f up” does not further your point when you can’t back up your points with facts.

I think the Big 10 is the ONLY BCS conference without a win over any other BCS team with a winning record.

Fucking Illinois?! SERIOUSLY?!

60 NMS

I’m an SEC fan, but who have we beaten out of conference this season other than LSU beating VT? I can’t think of any big wins. Granted, our conference is probably tougher than the Big 10, but your “who has the Big 10 beaten?” argument doesn’t really hold water.

Barry Switzer is trying to vie with Herbie for the homerism towards a school you have ties to award.

Kansas is the 3rd best Big12 team IMO

With VT getting the 3 seems they awarded winning conference championship games. Ergo, LSU is 2 and Georiga is 4.

PW
FSU and Georgia Tech are in BCS conferences and have winning records.

That’s more than any big 10 team can claim.

Now they played to winning record teams and lost…but if they count that UT-Cal and WVA-MSU can count too.

Kansas vs VT in the Orange.

Mizzou is the one who really got screwed.

I want to see UGA in the title game because that would be fitting for this season.

And playing Hawaii gets them nowhere. Just like the ’05 WVU game.

LSU- 8 Ohio State The line is moving

I cannot stress this enough after hearing about Kansas (and to a lesser extent Illinois): THE BOWL CHAMPIONSHIP SERIES IS A FUCKING JOKE.

So in order to preserve “tradition”, the Rose Bowl takes a [Team Redacted] squad that’s not in the top 10, and Mizzou – number one coming into this week – will apparently get left out of the BCS altogether. Good Jorb!!!!

Mizzou is proof that conference championship games can fuck you out of everything.

Anything under 10 in the title game spread, I’m laying a whole paycheck.

Anything under 14 still gets half a paycheck.

62, I am not debating the merits of Ohio States OOC methodology. Sure the have played Texas and the tried to Washington when they were good. That has nothing to do with this.

SoS isnt about things like that.

“Show me the strong OOC schedule for Texas, Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, Arkansas, or any number of other teams.”

Georgia played Ga Tech and Okla State (plus a Troy team that has always played very well against big teams)
Auburn played South Florida and Kansas St
Arkansas played Troy
Alabama playe FSU
South Carolina played Clemson
Tennessee played Cal (and a good Southen Miss)
LSU played Virginia Tech
Mississippi State played West Virginia
Florida played FSU
Kentucky played Louisville (who is better than Pitt, who you are touting MSU beating as a vindication of your conf)
Vandy played Wake
Ole Miss played Missouri

Better bet might be the USC cover.

Oh shit…the 51 day excuse is out already..what was the excuse in hoops?

Jim Tressel seems like a good guy though.

i’m so glad i made it back in time for the troll feedings.

I’m watching ESPN…unintentional comedy is off the charts. Corso just told a story about Pepper Rodgers and the ‘68 Orange Bowl, complete with punchline. Sitting next to him, Lou Holtz—who obviously wasn’t listening—told the exact same story five seconds later. Thankfully, the punchline was the same. It was like two old men on the porch at Shady Home Acres, swapping the same stories every day.

LSU -3.5 right now at most shops.

I like the Ga Bdogs, but sorry….i had to be LSU…

“I’m an SEC fan, but who have we beaten out of conference this season other than LSU beating VT? I can’t think of any big wins. Granted, our conference is probably tougher than the Big 10, but your “who has the Big 10 beaten?” argument doesn’t really hold water.”

We have beat Okla State, Kansas State, Ga Tech, FSU and Louisville… all of those are equal or better to anything the Big 10 did out of conf. So how does my arguement not hold water

Anyone else having to adjust the brightness settings on your TV thanks to Chris Davis’s overly whitened teeth?

I called -3.5 from the word go…see #51

Of course I owe my bookie $1947 right now

84,

As much as I hate the poodles, I would have enjoyed nothing more than the SEC’s 3rd best team laying the wood to top-ranked Ohio State.

There also might be several UGA-Hawaii, USC-Illinois, LSU-OSU parlays

Even Herbstriet just said the big ten is down and Ohio State played a “terrible” non-conf slate

ARE YOU KIDDING ME? GEORGIA ISN’T IN THE GAME! WRONG! JUST SO WRONG!

How is Georgia not in the Nat Champ Game so wrong? As I said, Im a UGA fan and I can’t say they deserve to be there

85

What do Okla State, Kansas State, Ga Tech, FSU and Louisville all have in common?

Oh yeah, none of them are any good.

Illinois is going to stop the Humanitarian! Big 10 with 2 BCS teams! You don’t like it? Suck it!

I want to see UGA in the title game because that would be fitting for this season.

And playing Hawaii gets them nowhere. Just like the ‘05 WVU game.

You mean the ‘05 WVU game that Georgia lost? Sorry they weren’t a big enough opponent when Steve Slaton ran all over you and won.

93

Or at least I wouldn’t count them as “quality wins” when mocking another conference’s lack of “quality wins.”

Remember, I’m an SEC guy, but that argument sucks.

The Fox graphic showed Georgia at number 5 in the BCS?

Really? So they dropped a spot?

Also, did you see Tuberville’s coaches ballot? He has Hawaii at 4 and UGA at 5.

45-20, Tubs. 45-20.

Think I’ve just been converted to the Playoff crowd.

NMS do us all a favor and go and drink a nice cup of shut the fuck up. Almost 1 of every 5 posts is yours rehashing the same points over and over. We get it you think OSU sucks. I agree their OOC sucks this year (not normally though). BUt the system put them in the title game. Deal with it.

No one here is a bigger SEC fan than me….

Ohio State deserves it and they have a great chance to bea LSU….

I used to say in 1980’s when Penn State used to go 10-1 every year- put them in the SEC and they would go 7-4…well they are in the Big 10 and they go 7-4 every year

Okla State, Kansas State, Ga Tech, FSU and Louisville>any OOC team played, and beaten, by the Big 10

NMS -

I’m sorry if my language offended you..it wasn’t my intent.

But even SEC homers are telling you to pipe down. The bottom line is that every team had a bad loss that ended up hurting them in the end. Oklahoma had Colorado, USC had Stanford, Georgia (yes, Georgia!) had South Carolina. Ohio State’s only loss came to the Big Ten’s representative in the Rose Bowl; they won the games they had to win otherwise. Period.

The point is that UGA keeps getting these games where they have nothing to gain and everything to lose. Why can’t we play a real opponent for once? I can’t imagine how many statue of liberties and fake punts/field goals that Jones & Brennan are planning right now.

Well, we neutral college football fans have been denied [Name Redacted] vs. Urban Meyer. But we get [Name Redacted] in the Rose Bowl, which is even more hilarious.

And the Sooners should be in the title game.

Rival what is the link to the individual coaches votes?

#94

Hey, jackass – that was my point.

That year, UGA would get no props for beating WVU because they were supposed to, based on conventional wisdom. Dawgs came out flat and got beat.

So thanks, Captain Obvious.

Ass.

They are also better than anyone the Big Ten has played and Ok State, FSU, Ga Tech and Louisville all have winning records against non-SEC teams and I believe all went to bowl games last year and are bowl eligible this year.

Kansas State is 5-7 (as good as Wash St and better than Wash) and went bowling last year

Considering Michigan’s fun times with running QBs, is it too much to hope that Tebow spends significant time as a wideout, like Florida’s QB did last time we played them?

Hawaii hardley handled SDSU.

Knowshown will plant his seed in June Jone’s daughter.

Twice.

Where are you guys seeing LSU -3.5 at?

Everyone is geting what the want…SEC Champ vs Big 10 Champ….What the hell…it is better than Big East Champ vs Big 12 Champ…

May the best team win…no BS lay off for 47 days crap…

What a scene in New Orleans!

“NMS do us all a favor and go and drink a nice cup of shut the fuck up. Almost 1 of every 5 posts is yours rehashing the same points over and over. We get it you think OSU sucks. I agree their OOC sucks this year (not normally though). BUt the system put them in the title game. Deal with it.”

You’re a classy guy.

4 out of 5 of your posts are “shut up asshole” without giving any facts to support your baseless assertions.

I am not even saying OSU is undeserving of the game. I was responding to earlier points with facts and the facts overwhelmingly say the Big Ten has proven nothing. That is all.

You can try to drown me out my saying SHUT UP FUCKING MORON over and over but that does not change that the facts have proven you wrong.

There is no playoff so your “Fact” that “They are also better than anyone the Big Ten has played and Ok State, FSU, Ga Tech and Louisville all have winning records against non-SEC teams and I believe all went to bowl games last year and are bowl eligible this year.” is baseless. None of those teams played anyone the Big 10 played so you can’t prove your fact that they are better. It is your opinion. And we have heard it 17 times or so. Get a life loser.

Sincerely,
classy guy

And what does saying..
 “drink a nice cup of shut the fuck up. the system put them in the title game. Deal with it.”
accomplish?

By that logic none of these threads or ESPN shows talking about matchups should matter.

That makes no sense. Seriously, explain why someone should just “deal with it”? Its football, its fun to discuss and watch and play. That is why NO ONE just “deals with it”. People are complaining about Illinois to the Rose or Hawaii even going to a BCS game OR the fact that they aren’t in the champ game. People have discussions about who should be ranked where? Should Kansas be ranked over Mizzou? Over Okla?
Should they all just stop dicussing it and “deal with it”?
And if so, why?

Anyone else surprised that the Outback took Tennessee for the second year in a row instead of Auburn?

And as I expected, Jim Tressel once again abstained on his ballot.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/graphics/coaches_fb_poll_2006/flash.htm

If this abortion of a bowl slate doesn’t kill the BCS once and for all, there is no hope for humanity.

Oh, and you LSU pukes, congratulations, you’ve got the most gift-wrapped shot at the title I’ve ever seen. Having #1 twice and blowing it, yet still getting a shot? Come on, does Lester’s playbook look something like this: Up Up Down Down Left Right Left Right B A Start?!?!?!

I fucking hate this shit. Yet I love it. Why couldn’t I be addicted to something manageable, like heroin?

“Ohio State’s only loss came to the Big Ten’s representative in the Rose Bowl.”

#100: I see you’re trying to insinuate that OSU’s one loss was a “good loss” because, after all, the Illini are going to the Granddaddy of them all, as the Big-10’s team with the second best record.

Well that says very little about the Big 10, doesn’t it? Twenty minutes ago even Herbstreit admitted how bad they are.

Illinois is in the Rose Bowl because its tradition to take the Big-10 champ, or the Big-10 runner up, vs the PAC-10 champ. If that wasn’t the case, NO WAY 9-3 Illinois would be feasibly interesting to anyone watching the Rose Bowl. NO WAY. If there wasn’t the hideous PAC-10/Big-10 contract, OSU’s one loss would be to a team no one would put in a BCS bowl.

Do not attempt to make the Illinois loss look like a “good loss.” Illinois had been beaten by IOWA and Michigan. Illinois was unranked and playing AT OSU. It was not a decent loss against a Rose-Bowl-bound (out of tradition ONLY) team, it was a home loss against an unranked team in the “Big” 10 who SHOULD be heading to something like the Champs Sports Bowl against another 3 loss team.

Admittedly, OSU did indeed get the job done at Youngstown State, Kent, Akron and a hyped up, eventually 4-loss Michigan who had an injured Henne and Hart. As for wins against “ranked” teams, where are Penn State, Wisconsin and Purdue now? Is it any wonder the Buckeyes are 11-1 when their highest ranked opponent all season was #19?

Why do people want to pull these stupid “we played slightly better out of conference teams” or “head-to-head is no way to decide who’s better” arguments out of their ass today?

The Big Ten was 2-1 head-to-head vs. the SEC last bowl season. I still think the SEC is a tougher conference, but the fact remains that when we had a chance to prove it last year, we didn’t. No amount of strength of schedule comparison can change that.

“If this abortion of a bowl slate doesn’t kill the BCS once and for all, there is no hope for humanity.”

God almighty am I sick of hearing that statement!

“There is no playoff so your “Fact” .. is baseless. ””

Ha, even a playoff wouldn’t “prove” a team better beyond a reasonable doubt. I mean, Pitt beat West Va. Who would say Pitt is a truly better team all things considered?
Does anyone think that, for most of 05-06 George Mason was one of the best 4 teams in college basketball?

I meant that it is factual that those teams are better than anyone the Big Ten plays if you evaluate them by the criteria that everyone agrees is reasonable to evaluate what teams are better than others..and that is things like record, schedule and victory/loss margins.

You know, things that the BCS and polls evaluate on. Of course no one can “prove” definitively that one team is better than another except in certain rare scenarios. For instance, would you agree that USC is better than Georgia Tech? Probably. But they never played head to head this year, nor had common opponents.
Arguing that you can’t TOTALLY PROVE THAT accomplishes nothing when a conclusion using the facts you do have is pretty clear. Just like the facts about the Big Ten this year are pretty clear

And how does disagreeing with you make anyone a loser?

“The Big Ten was 2-1 head-to-head vs. the SEC last bowl season. I still think the SEC is a tougher conference, but the fact remains that when we had a chance to prove it last year, we didn’t. No amount of strength of schedule comparison can change that.”

Ok, sure. I was never debating that specific fact. My point has always been that the 2-1 proves nothing. And it doesn’t

Why all the LSU hate? And I think it’s a great bowl slate. I’m particularly looking forward to the following games:

OU vs. WFV
Ark vs. Mizzou
Auburn vs. Clemson

good match-ups, all

Kansas vs VT in the Orange

What is the over/under on # of bib-overalls in the stands for that game?

Somebody better warn South Beach…

Should they all just stop dicussing it and “deal with it”?

Because it is the system. You want to complain to make yourself feel better? Go right ahead. But I don’t like beating my head against a brick wall.

It is clear the system sucks and until they change it, it will always suck.

But the bowl games will get over-hyped, they will all sell out, get massive tv ratings, and by March, no one will remember these controversies, and the system will stay the same. We all agree it sucks. But you trying to continually say, “OSU doesn’t deserve it.” blah blah over and over is annoying. Were they supposed to say “we can’t except.” The system chose them. How much clearer can it be?

And as I expected, Jim Tressel once again abstained on his ballot.

Your link is last year’s ballot.

Look, however you want to play it, Georgia got jobbed by the BCS again. In 2002, we were stuck playing a completely horrible FSU team, and we had won the SEC and were 12-1 (a similar record to the last two SEC national title winners, if I remember correctly…) with a stifling defense and an offense that was rolling pretty well near the mid-season.

In 2005, we got stuck playing a game in which we got not credit for winning, and only got laughed at for losing. Does that sound familiar to anyone? Anyone?! We’re getting stuck with a Hawai’i team that nobody will expect to seriously beat us, and if the Dawgs, who deserved as much as tOSU to move up into the #2 spot, come out flat and pissed like Auburn did in 2004 in the Sugar Bowl because they got passed over for no good reason, then we get ridiculed and told we didn’t deserve a shot at the MNC because we were pissed we got saddled with Hawai’i.

Look, no disrespect is meant to Hawai’i, but we’re roughly a 100 above them in any strength of schedule rankings. We’ve played tougher teams than them almost ever week of the year (sans our game vs. Western Carolina), and we came out of that 10-2. They played Cupcake U. every week, and are 12-0. Again, it’s not to downplay the fact that they survived their schedule, but it doesn’t do Georgia a lick of good to play them. This is the definition of a trap game, and I, for one, am tired of being the team that consistently gets saddled with them.

One thing not mentioned yet, regarding last night’s upset, is just how hot a lot of those West Virginia Mountain Mamas were. I had no idea. If inbreeding produces that, I’m totally pro incest…between hot people at least.

Sorry, I was really looking forward to USC-UGA in the Rose Bowl. The Illini matchup has my mind wandering right now.

“Because it is the system. You want to complain to make yourself feel better? Go right ahead. But I don’t like beating my head against a brick wall. "

So you have never complained about the results of a trial, election, congressional vote, BCS selection, AP poll vote, NCAA bball selection committee seedings?

If anyone’s interested, the full bowl schedule:

http://www.sportsline.com/collegefootball/schedules/bowls

@ 120 re: LSU hate

1. They’re a bunch of drunk classless trashy fucks, who are the armpit of the SEC
2. They had #1 TWICE and couldn’t swing it, yet they back-door in.
3. Les Miles is a complete tool, not in the funny Coach O way, more like the “dude, why do keep coming over here uninvited” sort of way
4. Did I mention the drunk classless trashy fucks thing?
5. THEY GET A GODDAMN HOME GAME FOR THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP. You have to earn that crap

OU v. WVU will be good. VaTech and KU will be interesting, just to see if the latter is legit in any way. Hawaii looking to be the next Boise State should also have some appeal. I don’t see any of these being real barn-burners, though.

However, Illinois-Southern Cal? Retch.

Oh and @ 117, you wouldn’t hear that statement if they’d just fix the damn system.

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All I’m saying is that a loss to a 9-3 team is hardly a “bad loss” when you compare it to the bad losses of some other teams who claim to have a beef on the BCS Title game.

To wit:
Oklahoma lost to 6-6 Colorado
Georgia lost to 6-6 South Carolina (no bowl)
USC lost to 4-8 Stanford (no bowl)

Now if you want to argue that Virginia Tech (LSU, BC), Kansas (Missouri) or Missouri (Oklahoma twice) got screwed, I’m all ears.

I hate arguing for Ohio State because I hate them with a passion, but to say it’s a traveshamockery that they’re in the title game when they have one loss all season is tricky.

While I completely disagree with Georgia playing for a national championship (seriously, win your conference title, or at least go to the game)…

I think Hawaii might upset Georgia. And I am completely serious. That team deserves to play in a BCS bowl and they may win.

So you have never complained about the results of a trial, election, congressional vote, BCS selection, AP poll vote, NCAA bball selection committee seedings?

Yes but I don’t email the same criticism over and over and over again.

Rival —

Are you serious? I didn’t think the coaches’ ballots were public.

If that’s true, I suspect there’s some lingering animosity because Richt didn’t vote us #1 in ’04.

Goose, gander, etc.

It really does suck to be Georgia. It’s a “so what” game if they win, a semi-debacle if they lose, and pretty much everyone outside of Georgia will be pulling for Hawaii in their heart of hearts. Tough cards.
Unlike 2004 Auburn, there isn’t a legitimate beef to be had here. Pretty much everyone in the mix could have been a slam dunk had they made a play at one point or another, but everyone choked or preempted choking by being out of the discussion early. The “hot” or “best right now” argument is pretty flawed, especially because it’ll be a month before they play.
The secondary bowl matchups are pretty disappointing (USC-Georgia could have been ALLSOME, and Kansas-Hawaii would be similarly intriguing, because would we ever know if either of them was any good?), but I’m going to enjoy the sweatervest take on the most histrionic team in recent memory on the big stage.

124

Um, didn’t Auburn win the Sugar Bowl that year?

And, while you had a decent claim for a MNC shot, I wouldn’t say you’ve gotten “jobbed.” In 2002, was the BCS supposed to tell an undefeated tOSU or Miami team to step aside because Georgia (who had last to Zook that year) “had a stifling defense and an offense that was rolling pretty well near the mid-season”?

All I know is this:

Once again, the Fiesta Bowl has the most competitive game of the 4 BCS bowls.

Georgia-Hawaii? Blowout
USC-Illinois? Blowout
Va Tech-Kansas? Blowout

Oklahoma-West Virginia? Speed vs. Speed and 2 pissed off teams that feel like they have something to prove.

My God… it will be beautiful

113,
That’s last years poll.
SB

“5. THEY GET A GODDAMN HOME GAME FOR THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP. You have to earn that crap”

Dude, that happens randomly. its not their fault.
Hell, USC gets to play in Rose Bowl very damn often..it happens

Why does it matter that LSU was #1 at the time of their 2 losses?

There’s a good chance of a split title here, but I get headaches just trying to figure out all the possibilities.

135,
agreed.

136

Headaches? Possibilities? There is only one possibility.

MNC game winner = BCS Champion
Sugar Bowl Winner = AP Champion

#128: Understood. By the way, if you hate OSU, who do you actually root for?

And Missouri did get screwed over big time. Illinois? Kansas? getting berths over Missouri (who, uh, beat Kansas)? Gag me.

Whose children did Mangino threaten to eat to get that bowl?

Stapler, I let you shit go yesterday, without saying anything, but you’re F’n nutts. Enough said.
127, you are obviously a student. Go see the world, learn something, then realize your post is completely classless as you claim LSU to be. Get a life along the way while you’re at it and avoid eating many sour grapes along the way.

C’mon everyone, we’re all missing the point here. That point being that Barry Alvarez appearing on the screen in a Cat-in-the-Hat raver cap, technicolor-striped pants, and twirling two glow sticks while screaming “SOMEONE GAVE ME BAAAAAAD DRUGS!!!” sounds pretty damn funny.

I really dislike Mizzou. But they got butt-raped big-time.

So did USC (another team I don’t much like), I mean, ILLINOIS in the Rose Bowl? Who the hell is going to watch that abortion of a football game?

PLAYOFFS

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Michigan alum. It’s gonna be a long month. What’s your affiliation?

Id say I’m hoping to see tOSU get waxed, but the minute I say that, they’ll end up winning.

138:
Even if it’s Hawaii? What if OU wins big over WVU?

Headaches, I say.

And I agree with one of the posters above: if there is to be any kind of justice salvaged from this crappy bowl season, I think the AP needs to anoint the winner of the Sugar its #1, just to show that the system is well and truly broken all to hell.

ESPECIALLY IF ITS HAWAII.

They’d be unbeaten with a win over the #4 or #3 team.

Check-plus to #114 for referencing the Contra and TMNT cheat code for Nintendo.

Two of my favorite games ever.

Oh yeah, the BCS sucks.

Hawaii will beat Georgia
Illinois will beat USC
Oklahoma will throttle West Virginia
Virginia Tech will throttle Kansas

My venom and vitrol isn’t for the BCS system, because as fucked as it is, playoffs wouldn’t “prove” who the best college football team is year in and year out any more than this current system does. It’s college football, and on any given day any given team, blah blah blah.

No, the poisonous disgust this time around is for the useless suits directing the Rose Bowl selection. They just turned their bulbous noses up at 99.998% of the college football consuming public and denied us all a chance at what would have been a beautiful matchup between two football teams with more speed, athleticism, and momentum than anyone else out there right now. Richt vs. Carroll…..damn, it would have been nice. Big heaving Fuck You to the Rose Bowl selection committee. May your blind lobotomized loyalty to ‘tradition’ render you obsolete.

Worst non-BCS matchup

The Pirate (assuming he doesn’t get hired somewhere else) vs. Al Groh in the Gator Bowl

Virginia isn’t gonna know what hit them. ARRRRR!

@ 135

Because being #1 makes you have a bigger target on your back. Every opponent is going to bring their A++-game, and if you can’t hack it, you don’t deserve to be there. The fact that LSU was there twice and found deficient is ridiculous.

While I would have loved to get a shot at that natty (God Bless Marcus Howard) at least we are still going to the best (& most fun) bowl game outside of the MNC. Should have beaten SC this year, and we wouldn’t be bitchin’ right now.

Agreed regarding the Rose Bowl.

Moreover, if there was ever a conference less deserving than the Big 10 of 2 BCS bids this season, I don’t know it. The Sun Belt maybe.

Sure, the BCS is FUBAR, always has been. The UGA have no right to cry; they can save that for when Brennan throws for 6 TDS and 550 yards against them in the Sugar Bowl.

I get so sick of these SEC crybabies who hate the Big Ten, when their ancestors made the Big Ten great by not integrating until the late 60s and early 70s. Seriously, get over it.

Next, I do agree with the commenter who said that to put LSU in the BCS title game when it’s in NOLA was to hand them the title on a silver platter. Let us all remember, however, that USC was thought to have won the MNC just by showing up in the Rose Bowl against Texas, and we all know what happened there.

SEC people, quit hating on the Big Ten; when you quit whining, maybe the rest of the USA won’t want to crush you so much.

Bobby, you should probably be railing against the Sugar Bowl execs for that – if the Rose Bowl wanted Georgia, the Sugar could veto (as that would be the logical replacement for LSU). I think they added that rule after the Rose Bowl got screwed out of having Iowa the year of the Miami-OSU title game.

“SEC people, quit hating on the Big Ten; when you quit whining, maybe the rest of the USA won’t want to crush you so much.

But you don’t actually crush us..sooo consider me quaking in my shoes

#143: Michigan, huh? I’m a Gator fan, so I guess we’ll be seeing your guys on January 1 :)

Whatever the outcome of that one, at least we know we’ll probably both always hate OSU.

#149: Big PAC-10 vs. SEC match-ups = the fever dreams of college football fans everywhere. LSU/Georgia vs. USC/healthy Dixon-led Oregon for MNC would have been amazing. USC/Oregon vs. Georgia/Florida would have been amazing. Too bad we won’t ever see it.

finals week sucks: So losing when you don’t have that target on your back is better than losing when you do? You’re making almost as little sense as stapler, and that’s saying something.

CRIS and FiveDimes both had 3.5 early. CRIS now 4.5 and FiveDimes -5.

O/U 51.5

Because being #1 makes you have a bigger target on your back. Every opponent is going to bring their A++-game

Wouldn’t that actually make their losses more justifiable?

Any sense of reason or logic finals weeks sucks may have had has clearly been overridden by some serious sour grapes.

I am calling that

AZDuck is the same person as NewAZTiger

We get it, you don’t like the Big 10.

Let’s be honest here folks… we are all just a LITTLE bit happy that tOSU will be in the title game….

one word…..

subcommandante

the boy has to drive through Ar-kansas to get there… probably get sidetracked in TX… his tale will make this silly BCS thing all better

Dislike Big 10, yes.

I also dislike the SEC.

As you can tell by my name, I’m a Pac 10 guy.

And you won’t hear me saying the SEC sucks, because, well, they don’t.

As a UGA fan I’m madder than Walter Sobchak when he found out that he had to roll on Shabbats.

re: Illinois in the Rose

Actually, considering the Rose picked before the Fiesta due to Ohio State making the NCG, they could have taken West Virginia also.

USC-West Va would have been an infinitely better matchup than USC-Illinois

Not that I’m complaining or anything, their loss is our gain here in the Valley.

100 cocktails to the Marcus Howard / ‘natty’ reference. Love that kid, and I love reading all of these posts about how Brennan is going to hang 600 yards and Hawaii pulls the upset.

Total Bullshit. Brennan’s head is going to be removed before halftime. Marcus will be the first of many to stop by and say hello New Years night.

Shomar Shabbatz, Donnie! Shomar FUcking Shabbatz.

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I’m sad the Rose Bowl handed USC that victory… a WFVU/USC game would have been great to a possible prelude next season… Or at least a UGA/USC game wouldve drawn huge… fucking tradition….

I see the UGA excuses for their losing to Hawaii (if it happens) are flowing already. Not motivated, let us play a “real team”, we got screwed, etc. Nut up and try to get it through your collective thick skulls that UGA had no business in the BCSCG this year and should be glad they are in a BCS bowl at all.

UGA had a nice little 6 game run to close out the season, winning over a good not great UF and AU team but also 3 point squeaker over Vandy and a 10 point win over Troy. A #4 ranking and a BCS bowl birth should be considered “Christmas come early” in Athens.

I normally pull for any SEC team while bowling but but over the past few weeks seeing how the UGA nation handled their modicum amount of success has me pulling for the big tattooed upset. fuga

@ 156, 158

First of all, I am quite offended by your comparison of me to a stapler. Staplers make a hell of a lot more sense than I do, no need to drag them into this.

I’d agree with you both if it had happened once, then they were trying to get in to the NCG among a bunch of one-loss teams. However, a team’s supposed to improve over the course of the season. Not only that, the team now knows that they are going to get the opponent’s best shot each week, and should prepare accordingly.

If you get the #1 spot back again, you should be good enough to keep it at that point. Otherwise, you blew your chance. LSU wasn’t good enough, and in my opinion shouldn’t have yet another chance at the title.

Did anybody happen to catch Hawaii Coach June Jones argument for Colt Brennan to win the Heisman? According to him Tim Tebow is an average QB that is a product of the “UF system”, while Brennan is a exceptional QB and not a product of the Hawaii system. Check the stats: Hawaii strength of schedule (when combining Div 1 and Div 2) 223 out of 235, right between Sacred Heart and Montana State. UF is #4. It seems to me that Hawaii’s system is to rack up big numbers playing the weakest possible schedule.

Awww, Irwin Fletcher, I’m sorry we were bad sports about getting shafted out of the MNC. Please, please, please pull for us to beat Hawaii. We need your support. I’m so sorry. I’m sorry about everything.

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Do/did you go there or just live in the state? One thing I won’t argue is that your state (and conference) produces the hotter chicks. Makes me wish I had done a few things over about 10 years ago.

So Illinois to California to play USC at home; Ohio State to Louisiana to play LSU at home, and Michigan to Florida to play the Gators at home…gotta love the bowl season.

For those bashing Ohio State’s schedule I offer you this:

USC has beaten 2 teams with a winning record and played 1-11 Idaho, 5-7 Nebraska, and 3-9 Notre Dame OOC. Those teams are a combined 9-27.

Ohio State played 6 teams with a winning record and played teams OOC with a better combined record than 9-27.

Lastly, Notre Dame is 2-1 against the Pac 10 and 0-4 against the Big Ten, including Purdue and Michigan State.

173 – Blame your own conference for not having a top-tier bowl game in Michigan or Ohio.

Oh, wait, nobody wants to spend late December in Michigan or Ohio? Go figure.

Is LLLLoyd coaching Meatchicken against Florida?

As someone that hates Florida, I hope that one goes out like Alvarez’s last game (when Wisky upset the Aubbies). But given the UM D’s track record this season vs. mobile QBs, it could be 40-0 UF at halftime.

175 – Yes Lloyd is coaching. And UF is going to score a ton. It’s just a matter if we can hang with them. If Henne is healthy enough to play and play well, I think we can. Otherwise, it’s gonna be ugly.

Seriously, SEC geto over yourself. Yes, your conference is good, top to bottom it is better than the Big 10. But I am so tired of the SEC homers saying that tOSU will get worked by LSU. tOSU puts in plenty of fast players into the NFL, and many of their skill players are from either FL, NJ, or somewhere outside of Ohio. I am tired of hearing how slow they are. They are just as fast as SEC players, it’s all about execution. Last season, they did not execute and were beaten by Florida. This year is a totally different ball game. SEC fans are forgetting who LSU’s coach is, Les Freaking Miles. A guy who almost blows the Auburn game, not to mention a guy who cannot even pronounce Arkansas. He’s totally aloof, for most of the game. I will take the sweater vest over Les any day of the week. SEC, remember General Sherman and his boys rolling through your neck of the woods about 140 years ago tearing down all of your shotgun shacks. The same thing will happen January 7th, Buckeye fans will be pillaging the south. They’ll make Katrina look like an afterthought.

Oh Christ – don’t make me whip out my Big 10 sucky OOC slates again.

Instead I’ll just say that OSU is more deserving of a slot in the BCS title game than USC (1 loss better than 2 losses)… but if you think that USC would not completely manhandle OSU on a neutral field, well, you’re a silly person.

And yet, Idaho, Nebraska, Notre Dame are all members of 1A. Can the same be said of tOSU’s OOC competition?

Just saw the ESPN game changing performance nominees…all 4 of them were from the SEC…I wish ESPN would just become the SEC network and make it official…

Wait a second…split title?

Fuck that shit. If Auburn didn’t get one in 2004, the fucking leghumpers sure as hell aren’t getting one this year.

Mahalo, bitches.

re: Illinois in the Rose

Actually, considering the Rose picked before the Fiesta due to Ohio State making the NCG, they could have taken West Virginia also.

USC-West Va would have been an infinitely better matchup than USC-Illinois

I disagree, especially after seeing WVU v Pitt. They didn’t play anyone this year. I think the Zooker and Illinois will give USC a way better game than Rodriguez and WVU would.

oh, great more katrina jokes…

northern people are just a classy bunch…

Woohoo! Bama bowls in Shreveport two years in a row.

As a Bama fan living in Athens, who likes the Dawgs, Hawaii is scary.

Better not take it lightly.

Wow, bigots from Ohio, who knew? You sound like Saban, what are you 12 and you just learned about the Civil War so you think it will piss southerners off? Just wow.

Hawaii will probably beat thUGA. When you let the inmates run the prison, they decide who to get up for. If UGA would have played Oklahoma or USC they would have got up and played great, but put them against Hawaii or Illinois, or Kansas? They will be full of themselves and think they can win just by showing up. Hawaii is going to jump on them early and might win that game.

If you really think the inmates run the prison at UGA you are nuts. Richt suspends guys from games for getting drinking tickets. He let em charge the field once in a huge game. Whoop dee doo. who cares that a few extra guys were on the field after a score

Well one things for sure….Les Miles HATES tOSU….
so this will be his warmup game….beating the hell outta tOSU at LSU for the MNC, and then going to Michigan to do it again next year….
If you watched his interview and if he was coached by an agent….technically he will be coaching LSU next year, til Jan 9, win or lose…..
With one whole month near about to get healthy….LSU will put on a display likened to that of Florida’s win last year….

What I love about Les Miles…ALL OF HIS SENTENCES ARE 4 WORDS OR LESS….and
tOSU is 0 AND 8 vs the SEC….not my facts….its relative history….My God Oklahoma is gonna kill WFV…..Florida will kill Michigan……….The curious matchup is Ga vs Hawaiii……Hawaii can score, they run a fast break offense much like the Celtics, and unless Ga can get a pass rush under 1 sec and their DB’s are from Ethiopia, it could be a long day since Hawaii will simply score faster than Ga….Pellini is Nebraskas new HC and Dorrell gets canned

Charging the field? Is that all? You must not be paying attention. What about gloating on Vandy’s field after a last second win? What about all the dancing on the sidelines? You look like Miami used to.

So June Jones thinks Tebow is an “average passer” and a “system quarterback”?

June, take a drive. That underpass you hit was your toughest opponent in the last two years (aside from alcoholism)

Missouri doesn’t get a BCS bid because they had to play a team twice.

Not one, but 2 teams, Illinois and Kansas, get BCS bids and Missouri beat both – convincingly (don’t let the final score of the Illinois game fool you).

I’m and Illinois fan, but still think that’s wrong.

BTW- LSU opens as a 4 1/2 favorite, has already moved to 6

Missouri doesn’t get a BCS bid because they had to play a team twice?

Not one, but 2 teams, Illinois and Kansas, get BCS bids and Missouri beat both – convincingly (don’t let the final score of the Illinois game fool you).

I’m and Illinois fan, but still think that’s wrong.

More early lines
Georgia -8
VT -1
OU -4 1/2
USC -14!!!

Food for thought, if VT schedules The Citadel instead of LSU they would be playing anOSU in the MNC game. The system works??? Still don’t want a playoff?

Finals week sucks/stapler:

Honestly, you’ve been going off about this for two days now. Please, please, please let it go. No one is EVER going to buy into your argument of “they had the number one ranking twice and lost it so obviously they don’t deserve it, yada.”

First of all, you’re not even attempting to take off your red and black glasses to see how the rest of the conference, and the country for that matter, views your team’s situation. There is no jobbing. There is no intentional slighting of Georgia in this scenario. You played a good year of football and need to recognize that you have an opportunity to kick some ass in a BCS bowl game and make your team and the SEC look phenomenal, while positioning yourselves for a primo pre-season ranking in 2008.

Your arguments and logic are flawed and now you’re resorting to name calling (trashy LSU fans, etc) to get people to pay attention to you. I’m actually sorry that I’m responding to you at all, but I’m hoping you will eventually take a step back and realize that you’re being pretty fucking ridiculous about all of this.

So this is what confuses me: if Hawaii beats UGA, what exactly does that prove anyway?

A) Hawaii is better.
B) UGA is better but did not care about the game.
C) Hawaii did not care about this game but is actually so good that they won anyway despite UGA caring very much.
D) Hawaii did not care about this game but is actually so good that they won anyway despite UGA not caring at all.
E) Gators wear jean shorts.
F) UGA straight up don’t give a fuck because they were shafted by LSwho? and Richt thinks that is 1987 and he is back at “Da U”

I’m thinkin’ B. Or F.

Wow…

#200
Auburn was eligible for a BCS game last year and beat both LSU and Florida and didn’t get a BCS bid. It’s about the bowls picking, the Sugar Bowl took LSU instead of AU. Easy choice for them, shit happens get over it. The system puts #1ish vs #2ish, it doesn’t say Mizzou is more deserving than Kansas, it would be nice if it did. Then we could have UGA vs USC and OU vs WVU and VT vs Mizzou, and Illinous vs Florida? but it doesn’t work that way.

#203

You’re already throwing out the “Georgia doesn’t care about this game, even though it’s a freakin’ BCS bowl” card for a possible loss to Hawaii?

Trust me, they care.

I’m actually lookin forward to the title game now.

If OSU wins, SEC fanatics will have to shut the fuck up (well at least for a moment, we all know they’ll start again)

If LSU wins, especially if they win convincingly, OSU (and the Big 10 by association) will never be able to live down 2 bad NC game losses in a row, or at least not until the Big 10 wins 2 consecutive championships over the SEC.

Yeah, I don’t think OSU is a great choice, but everybody – you need to blame the pollsters. It’s not the Tressel’s fault, it’s not the players fault. And, you know if your team was being doubted by a lot of people about a NC slot, you wouldn’t give a shit. Do we not expect OSU to go to the game?

207

LSU could lose by 100 and there would still be a ton of people screaming inane stuff like

S peed
E quals
C hampionships

Trust me.

#207, If LSU wins and so does any two of the following, USC, OU, Kansas, UGA we could get some crazy stuff going. “Out of chaos comes change”

I’m an SEC homer but I am not sold on LSU winning. The BCS championship game underdog has been staright money lately. And after this season I don’t think I would touch tOSU-LSwho. Hell, LSwho? had half a hundred hung on ’em on their last home game of the season, but an UNRANKED team. Sweet Jesus, how did they make the MNC game again? Something does not make sense.

The score of LSU’s last home game is irrelevant. Georgia lost to South Carolina and was dominated by Tennessee, the same team that lost to LSU in the SECCG. I don’t play transitive football, but you have to see why most people would take issue with putting Georgia in the title game over LSU given those circumstances.

Arkansas is ranked #25

Overtime games have higher scores

You are mentally handicapped.

A note for the Rose Bowl Committee:

http://www.despair.com/tradition.html

stapler,

How many times do I have to point out that 22 of that “half hundred” came in the THREE EXTRA PERIODS?

Also, Arkansas is #25 in the AP poll and, as such, is not unranked.

The travesty of this is Georgia should play USC or hell play Oklahoma……Mizzou, beat the crap outta Kansas and showed they were posers and KU leapfrogs them?? KU didnt even go to the damn Conf championship plus got beat by Mizzou…how in the fuck does that compute? On what planet? I am a SEC homer, but something about the Big 12 and how they decide who goes where is fucked beyond fucked…That would be like Alabama beating Auburn, then Alabama finishing 2nd in the SEC, and Auburn jumps them for a BCS bowl…..Thats the math I would like to see the formula for….Is it too much to ask for decent football during the bowl season? WVU vs Oklahoma? After Pat White a) breaks a nail b) pulls a muscle c) gets tattooed at full speed——they will have to bring the back up in and then its Katy bar the door….

Stapler, the dumbest thing you say is your “Half a hundred” mantra. Just stop saying that.

It was three overtimes. To talk as if it was some sort of horrible meltdown (like say, UGa’s vs. Tennessee) makes you seem to be either a ridiculously blind homer, or one lacking the ability to formulate cogent arguments.

1. (“Ohio State played 6 teams with a winning record and played teams OOC with a better combined record than 9-27”)

Please tell me you’re not seriously flashing your OOC cred by mentioning the records of Youngstown State, Akron, and Kent State. The teams that made up their stellar records must be true powerhouses.

I’m a USC fan and don’t believe we deserved the NC game (yes, because of the loss to Stanford). However, I would much rather have had USC-GA or USC-Mizzou or USC-Florida (if we HAVE to play a 3-loss team) in the Rose Bowl. However, since the Illini beat your Buckeyes, I can understand your enthusiasm for their inclusion in the BCS mess.

Mizzou got seriously screwed – sorry, Kansas fans. Meanwhile, USC and GA are both in the sucky position of playing teams in bowl games they will get absolutely no credit for beating and be raked over the coals for not steamrolling.

So an undefeated Auburn team from the SEC can’t make the “title” game, but a two loss LSU team can? I call shennanegans!

Just one year later and the tables have totally turned:

2006:
Ohio State: Defeated two numbers twos, played four ranked teams all season, blew out every OOC team they played including defending national champs Texas in Austin, defense played well up until the final few games, and was getting ready to blow out Florida:

Florida: Struggled all year, had a great defense, but no offensive consistency whatsoever, beat one possibly good team in LSU, but no one else of much merit.

LSU: played five ranked teams, blew out every OOC team they played, had a dominant defense up until the final few games, and still picked to win decisively over Ohio State despite the struggles of their defense.

OSU: Hasn’t beat anyone of merit, hasn’t looked great for one entire game, offense is inconsistent, defense is a killer and has yet to be “exposed” by anyone.

Can we at least wait until after the title game to judge these two teams? I’m not sold on either of them.

Oh, and don’t say “Illinois exposed Ohio State” because we gave them the game with turnovers. We were no more exposed by Illinois than LSU was by both Kentucky and Arkansas.

As a USC fan I don’t really know what to think about the matchup, but I do think that one thing is being overlooked here:

“The Rose Bowl was not allowed to select Georgia because of a rule that protected SEC teams from being selected once LSU went to the BCS title game. Florida was also not an option under that rule, which was passed when Iowa was selected in the 2003 Orange Bowl to play USC, which forced the Rose Bowl to select Oklahoma.”

From Scott Wolf’s blarg, I mean blog.

52 points is actually more than half a hundred. 100 divided by 2 is 50. LSwho lost to Arkansas AT HOME and they allowed Arkansas to put 52 points on the scoreboard. I love how you people want to get all technical about it and say, “uh, well it was overtime, yeah, so allowing unranked teams to hang 50+ on ya at home is okay cause it was overtime, uh” like that is an actual cohesive argument. It’s really quite sad, but then again millions of corporate dollars have been spent trying to brainwash the public into wanting LSwho to play in the MNC, so what can I expect?

I don’t think Illinois will beat USC.

Pete Carroll is a genius at making games seriously matter to his team, even after larger goals (usually the NC) have fallen by the wayside. Cliche – but’s he’s a great motivator.

USC, as injured as they were, could have beaten (or at least gone into overtime) with Oregon when Dixon was healthy. Juice Williams is good, but he’s no Dixon.

That said, anything can happen, and I hope Illinois isn’t just happy to be there.

221

Check your facts, motherfucker.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=273270099

Tennessee hung half a hundred on UGA. Piss off.

224

You too.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=272792633

223, I stand corrected. It was not really 50+, but instead a nice, clean “half a hundred.” Thanks for correcting me.

And what corporation spent these millions of dollars trying to convince the public that LSU deserves to be in the MNC game? Also, where does public opinion plug into the BCS formula?

Oh I don’t know. How about the fact over the past two months I can barely turn on the TV without getting spoon fed more crap on how exciting LSwho is or having to see another picture of Les Miles plastered all over the screen. Maybe there are not corporate dollars per se, but damn LSwho got a helluva a lot of air time this season. I don’t think sports center went over a ten minute stretch without mentioning Miles about 200 damn times.

I think Mr Swindle said it best when he said, “WOOOOOOOO ESSSSS EEEEEEE SEEEEEEEE!”

Sorry, just wanted to poke my head in on everyone’s little SEC bukakke party. You all enjoy stroking each other off – I’m gonna go dry hump Vernon Gholston’s arms for the 5th time today.

The more you type, the worse your argument sounds.

Keep in mind the fact that I’m on your side. I thought UGA deserved to go to the MNC game. It doesn’t mean LSU is garbage, it just means that I thought Georgia was a little better.

Mike Slive and the other B©S assholes are a bunch of lousy cocksuckers who want to wipe their bullshit all over college football.

Give us our fucking playoff already!

ahhh…the wonderful warmth of hatred keeping me warm on this chilly fall night…

let’s see… what have we learned so far this season?….

- almost any team can beat the other team on any given weekend (Michigan/AppSt)

- a great team with a bad coach can still pull off many big wins (LSU V several) but can lose one (or two?!!!) and still be considered great

- mighty juggernauts stumble every 5 seasons or so (USCw)

- even a blind hog can find a peanut every now and then (IL, Mizzou, Hawaii, Kansas, BC) but in the end they usually fall in a ditch

- even small schools in great recruiting areas can have a good team (USF)

- sometimes one great player can make all the difference (Tebow Daniels McFadden but mostly Dixon)

- Great teams may fall very low but beware the giant when he rises back up (ND, Ala)

- and the most important thing…. just when your ego lets you think you have this college football thing figured out, along comes a season like 2007 to humble you again

bless you Orson for giving us this fine fine soapbox to stand on for a brief moment each week

oh yeah…one last thing

PLAYOFFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Among the best proposals I’ve heard,a little counter-intuitive thinking:

Get RID of the 12-team conferences and the championship games.

Instead, move teams into 10-team conferences in which EVERY team plays EVERY other team (like the Pac-10 does now).

Mandate that, in order to be a “BCS” conference, every team from a BCS conference must play at least one home-and-home game with a team from another BCS conference every year, OOC.

Mandate that no more 1AA games are allowed, period.

No more “independents.” Everyone is in a conference. Any teams choosing to remain independent take their own chances at getting selected to a BCS bowl.

With the broken-off bits of the Big 10, SEC, ACC, and Big XII, you should be able to craft 2 more “BCS” leagues."

All 119 teams in 1A would be graded on the BCS every year, and a four-year rolling average would be used to relegate teams from the BCS conferences and promote teams from the non-BCS conferences. This way, a team from non-BCS-land which has been consistently performing at a higher level (say, BYU, Boise, Hawaii) would be able to get into a BCS league, and teams that severely underperform (Syracuse, Iowa State) would be relegated. The four-year numbers would not unduly penalize a team for one poor season.

By my count, 80 of the 119 teams in 1A would be in BCS leagues.

The BCS bowls would remain largely as they are. Non-BCS bowls would bid for their spots in the pecking order, by way of payouts. The non-BCS bowls would pick in order of payout preference. Each BCS league would have its “traditional champion” tie-in (ie. Sugar -> SEC, Rose -> Pac-10/Big 10), and the non-BCS leagues would get their championship tie-in with a non-BCS bowl (WAC -> Holiday, CUSA -> Liberty).

D-Nice,

What are you talking about re game wasn’t as close as the score in Mizzou v. Illini? Maybe I read your post wrong. If McGee didn’t fumble in the end zone, there’s a 14 point swing. Despite that, we still had a shot in the last minute…

AZDuck – you smart man…. me BCS loving man, not so smart… me hit you over head with rock so I not have to listen to your smart-man ideas
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…wait for it……

PLAYOFFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I don’t like all these mandates. I like to think of each conference as a “laboratory of football.” We don’t need some strong central government telling us how to run our conferences.

And how, exactly, is the BCS flawed in its ability to select a champion? Go ahead, replace it with an 8-team playoff. Certainly the #9 team won’t be screaming about how it deserved to be in the mix. Sure, a playoff allows for the championship to be settled on the field, but how do you decide who gets to be in the playoff? Every team can’t play every other team.

AZDuck: Now THAT’s a bold idea!

If I were in charge of the NCAA, I would definitely issue an ultimatum to the D-1A schools. Option A would the elimination of the BCS in favor of an eight-team playoff; Option B would be to revoke the inclusion of football in the conference charters: the big schools can play football, but the NCAA isn’t going to sanction it.

Right now, the top 8 in the BCS looks like this:
1. Ohio State 11-1
 2. LSU 11-2
 3. Virginia Tech 11-2
 4. Oklahoma 11-2
 5. Georgia 10-2
 6. Missouri 11-2
 7. USC 10-2
 8. Kansas 11-1

“Let’s have a playoff!”

“But wait, Kansas, Missouri, and Georgia didn’t even win their own conference, they can’t be national champions!”

“USC lost to Stanford at home, they don’t deserve it!”

“Ohio State hasn’t played anybody out of conference!”

“What about West Virginia, they won the Big East but they’re on the outside looking in!”

“You gotta be kidding me! What does Hawaii have to do to get any respect around here?!”

“Half a hundred!”

See? Nothing changes.

Am I the only one who wants to nail the Busted Tees girl?

Hey, everybody!!!! Let’s work on adding some figures to our salaries!!!! Fucking retards. How short-minded are you motherfucking trainables. Who gives a shit what your preconception of a team is? Did it matter last year? Even more pertinent for you brain-damaged assholes… does it matter this year? Any team can beat any God-Jelly-Beans-Damn team on any given night. Get your heads out of your motherfucking asses and realize: just as the stoic WVU got swarmed by the cockhobbled stache, any one of your holier than thou appointed God’s gift to football teams could take one directly to the shitter. Assholes.

I was always down with the snorg tees girl

Right now, the top 8 in the BCS looks like this:
1. Ohio State 11-1
 2. LSU 11-2
 3. Virginia Tech 11-2
 4. Oklahoma 11-2
 5. Georgia 10-2
 6. Missouri 11-2
 7. USC 10-2
 8. Kansas 11-1

“Let’s have a playoff!”

“But wait, Kansas, Missouri, and Georgia didn’t even win their own conference, they can’t be national champions!”

“USC lost to Stanford at home, they don’t deserve it!”

“Ohio State hasn’t played anybody out of conference!”

“What about West Virginia, they won the Big East but they’re on the outside looking in!”

“You gotta be kidding me! What does Hawaii have to do to get any respect around here?!”

“Half a hundred!!”

See? Nothing changes.

AZDuck:

I’m a fan of the idea, but what’s wrong with just having all 119 teams relegated to conferences and working from there? That’d be twelve conferences; not necessarily as nice of a number as eight but still highly workable.

In related news: Other teams have accepted bids to bowl games that exist beyond the big five. More as events warrant.

242

Lithium helps

242,

How’s your son Tressel Hayes?

Georgia and Mizzou got completely, absolutely dicked. I would not put it past Hawaii to come out pissed and take it out on a UGA team that might be disappointed. I still think UGA wins, but not by much.

I’m imagining UGA-USC and Mizzou-Hawaii instead. I wish that one could have happened.

Just to clarify, I mean to say UGA got dicked by getting matched up with Hawaii. The Dawgs have no business in the title game.

Hey Jelly-Beans,

Drink much?

I was pretty sure this would be Georgia’s fate after the upsets Saturday. I maintained a spark of hope until the coaches poll came out. I can’t argue against it, since I think a conference champ always trumps a good non-champion. Hawaii is as useless a matchup as exists though. The Sugar was going to be stuck with them and needed an SEC team to fill the stadium (or at least mostly fill it), so here we are. I probably would have gone with OU over LSU if I had a ballot. LSU just hasn’t been impressive for two months.

Steve Czaban on Fox Sports Radio just mentioned an interesting game that nobody mentioned—-LSU vs. Georgia. Would never happen, but he has a point that could be the best game possible.

For all you people who say a team that doesnt win its conference championship shouldnt play for the title, I say fine. But lets first put in a rule that also says you can’t give up half a hundred at home to an unranked team on the last game of your regular season and still play in the MNC game. Sound fair?

stapler,

What kind of idiotic rule is that? What if you score 63 to beat them 63-50? Does the rule still apply? Georgia should have made a play at some point against South Carolina or shown up in Knoxville. They have a decent case to make, but at the end of the day there’s nothing unfair about what happened.

As an admittedly vindicative Auburn fan, I’m particularly enjoying Bob Stoops and Pete Carroll whining about how badly the system needs to change – funny – they thought it was great in 2004!

Karma’s a bitch. you’d think Pete of all people would know that.

@254. Pete Carroll hasn’t whined at all. Unlike Stoops, he didn’t even lobby for his team, probably because he knew that with the Stanford loss, USC didn’t have a chance.

Stapler, at this point you’re embarrassing yourself.

I’m a stupid argument.

The Big Televen needs a championship game. Then they’d have a true champ. And 1 of them would lose. OSU is 0-8 against SEC teams in post season play. And as far as last years 2-1 record against the SEC, which game will be remembered ? DUH! LSU will kick OSU’s ass . They don’t want a conference championship game because it might knock somebody out of the MNC game.

I shall swim to Honolulu and find a Colt Brennan… I swim well and it shouldn’t take me long.

220- Florida has a much tougher schedule than OSU’s last year. Sagarin’s year end rankings had the Gators’ SOS at 8 and the Buckeyes at 38. I don’t know for a fact, but I would imagine UF had defeated at least four ranked teams before the bowl game as well.

I’m sure a half dozen OSU fans will jump in to tell me the computers are just a bunch of biased, SEC homers though.

ATL AU Tiger #254,

I don’t think Carroll has ever been pro BCS, and I know that he definitely wasn’t in 2003.

Yes, you got screwed…and, you got lucky that year. 13-0 is better than 12-1.

half a hundred
half a hundred
half a hundred

maybe if you say it enough times everybody will agree?

STFU already.

Besides, LSU scored 48, it wasn’t like it was 50 – 0.

Dr. Ed PHD.XYZ,

Because a few leagues have adopted conference championships for purely financial gain in recent football history, doesn’t mean that all leagues should follow.

You folks bring up this bogus SEC superiority bias, BigTen went 2-1 last year vs the SEC, and then change the argument to support your biased opinion, “the game that mattered”.

I agree that presently, the SEC is a stronger conference but it’s false that the SEC or any other conference is the best year in and year out.

Ohio State is 0-8 versus the SEC in bowl games but how many of those were played in SEC home territory? OSU is 1-0-1 versus LSU and 7-2-2 versus the SEC in regular season play.

After this season, it’s obvious that one game can be an anomaly yet SEC fans seem to use one game from last year as the measuring stick for an entire century of football.

41 isn’t real far from 50.And there were no overtimes in that one. You televen guys, I don’t even want to hear the word "playoff "from you. Until you have a conference championship game.

So that makes OSU 7-10-2 against the SEC .

Measure that !