OPEN THREAD (OF THE DAMNED)

Swindle reports from the SEC Championship press box that Stewart Mandel is a Dapper Dan man. Best of luck to him in his fisticuffs, and to all of you in your end of season drankin’ and gallivantin’.
Swindle: Much thanks to Holly for the open thread opening. We were busy watching Les Miles nutslap ESPN two hours before the biggest game of the year. What happened in that press conference, and what’s allegedly happening in a fitting love triangle to end the Time of Troubles that this season’s been:
–First, the number we’ve gotten on LSU’s counter-offer to Miles is $3.45 million. Michigan’s not even in the same fairway as that offer at ~2.5 million a year.
–The media’s busy parsing the hell out of Miles’ verbiage like he’s a diplomat making a speech at the WTO. They shouldn’t–Miles came out with the body posture of a wrestler addressing the crowd and said ESPN was full of shit. That’s it. Tightly wound, school-of-Woody-Hayes tempermental PR posturing, pure and simple. He could have been brained with a folding chair by Lloyd Carr in the middle of it and it wouldn’t have seemed out of place.
–Sean O’Keefe, chancellor of LSU, looks like a man who bathes in Domaine du Puys and craps solid bars of platinum. Being nicknamed “Pappy” or “Red” and owning several islands devoted solely to his pleasure would NOT surprise us.
UPDATE: CBS and EDSBS, together again for the first time:
Your entire lives have been building to this moment; you just didn’t know it.
Swindle: Verne’s the nicest man you’ll ever meet. Danielson, on the other hand, stabbed us with the sharpened end of a broom handle on the way out. We kid! He was down ton the field doing his job when we were chatting with Verne.
Oh, and stop by and read the liveblog from the Championship Game over at the SN. It’s fact-tastic!
Update: we’re going to do a story on Erik Ainge maturing as a quarterback for tomorrow. We think it’ll happen any day now, and when it does, whoo-whee, look out!
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751
D-nice says:
The AP Poll is out
1. Ohio St.
2. LSU
3. Oklahoma
4. Georgia
5. Virginia Tech
6. Southern Cal
7. Missouri
8. Kansas
9. Flordia
10. Hawaii.
December 2nd, 2007 at 2:36 pm
752
marcillac says:
Hawaii barely beat U-Dub at home. The same U-Dub who lost to tOSU in Seattle. Sorry. No go. The Bows will play Georgia in the Sugar and IF they win then I’d certainly give them a splict championship. This year that would be as sane as anything elese. Until then, no dice.
December 2nd, 2007 at 2:37 pm
753
Nick Saban says:
I don’t have time for this shit
December 2nd, 2007 at 2:37 pm
754
PW says:
747
You, sir, are a fucking idiot.
December 2nd, 2007 at 2:40 pm
755
PW says:
even though I agree with you that UGA should get the MNC shot.
December 2nd, 2007 at 2:41 pm
756
PW says:
By your reasoning, tOSU should be last season’s national champs because their only loss came at the hands of the national champions, while UF’s loss came at the hands of lowly Auburn.
I mean, who cares what happens on the field anyway?
December 2nd, 2007 at 2:43 pm
757
AZDuck says:
Oh my God. Someone’s bragging about all the winning records in the Big 10. The Big 10’s OOC record was compiled by beating up their little brothers in the MAC, repeatedly.
It was easy for the Big 10 to have 9 teams bowl eligible (!) because they played a bunch of crappy teams.
tOSU: Youngstown St., Akron, Washington, Kent State
(Congratulatations, you’re at the top of the Delta pledge class)
Mich: Appy State (L), Oregon (L), Notre Dame, Eastern Mich.
Illinois: Missouri (L), West. Ill, Syracuse, Ball State
PSU: Fla. Int’l, Notre Dame, Buffalo, Temple
Wisky: Wash. St, UNLV, Citadel, Northern Illinois
Indiana: Indiana State, West. Mich., Akron, Ball State
NW: Northeastern, Nevada, Duke (L!), East. Mich.
MSU: UAB, Bowling Green, Pitt, Notre Dame
Iowa: Northern Ill, Syracuse, Iowa State (L!), West. Mich.
Minny: Bowling Green (L), Miami (Ohio), Fla. Atl. (L), North Dakota State (L!)
Play me any one of those out of state schedules and its easy as hell to get bowl-eligible off 3 wins. Northwestern lost to Duke! And they are one of the “winning teams” in the Big 10.
I mean, why is winning in the Big Ten any more impressive than winning in the WAC this year?
At least the Bows beat a top 25 team.
December 2nd, 2007 at 2:43 pm
758
Mike says:
@737
Because they backed into the MNC, and did it while not beating a single team ranked in the current top 25.
December 2nd, 2007 at 2:45 pm
759
D-nice says:
Coaches Poll
1. Ohio St.
2. LSU
3. Oklahoma
4. Georgia
5. Virginia Tech
6. Southern Cal
7. Missouri
8. Kansas
9. West Virginia
10. Hawaii.
December 2nd, 2007 at 2:50 pm
760
Techie says:
PLAYOFFS.
I’m fucking tired of people saying that chaos and bullshit polls is what makes my favorite sport “special”
December 2nd, 2007 at 2:50 pm
761
macker says:
IMHO, this thread needs more opinions, so here’s one:
You can cut this a couple of ways, given that we’re talking about what SHOULD happen vs. what will actually happen in terms of getting two teams together for a one game playoff.
1) You can make the old claim that if you don’t win your conference championship, you need not apply. In that case, it’s between LSU and VPI as to who gets to play tOSU. LSU beat VPI……like a drum. I don’t care if it was in July. That’s the nice thing about college futbaw. Every game matters. Sure, late games count more, but they didn’t play late. They played, and the result was unequivocal. In this case, LSU deserves the shot. I don’t get what Tech’s case is at all.
2) If you want to ignore conference championships, then UGA could make the claim that, after tOSU, they were next in line and were ahead of LSU. I don’t particularly subscribe to this one, but at least it’s a case.
So, tOSU is a given and UGA and LSU can make their cases. Tech has no case. Hawaii doesn’t have a case either other than being undefeated. I realized that the Hawaii argument goes something like “blah blah blah undefeated, blah blah blah 2006 Boise State, blah blah blah just as good, blah blah blah unfair, blah blah blah top 10 teams won’t play us.” but here schedule makes a HUGE difference. They had to gear up for Boise State and a bad Pac-10 team and that’s about it. BCS bowl? Sure, have fun and I’ll be pulling for you to pull of the stunning upset. Championship game? Please apply when everyone who plays a much tougher schedule has 3 losses and then we’ll see.
December 2nd, 2007 at 2:56 pm
762
NewAZTiger says:
FWIW, Arkansas is no longer unranked.
December 2nd, 2007 at 2:57 pm
763
AZDuck says:
Macker – I just posted tOSU’s resume, and it isn’t much better than Hawaii’s.
December 2nd, 2007 at 2:57 pm
764
Pitt Fan says:
Well, good for Pitt. That was neat to watch.
The two best teams, IMO, are Hawaii and Kansas. Hawaii is UNDEFEATED; they beat Boise State (the defending Fiesta Bowl Champions) and a solid BYU team and a University of Washington team that beat Standford, which beat USC. So Hawaii has an OK tree of scheduling, and is the best of the western group of teams.
Kansas and Oklahoma had a common opponent in a common stadium: on the road against Colorado. Kansas won, Oklahoma lost. So Kansas is the best of the big 12 teams.
LSU lost to a Kentucky team which lost to a Mississippi State which lost toa West Virginia team that lost to Pitt. So by the logic that says that Kansas shouldn’t get a shot in the championship game because of who they lost to, then Pitt deserves a shot at the national title!? (Of course not). Still, losing to a team that is within three degrees of losing to Pitt is bad, and should be a disqualification.
We move on to Georgia: they lost to a South Carolina team that beat the Mississippi State team that beat the Kentucky team that LSU lost to.
LSU is probably *slightly* better than Georgia. But Pitt is still within a 3rd degree of teams they have lost to. They don’t deserve a chance at the championship game.
We discount West Virginia because they lost to Pitt–automatic disqualification. And we move on to Ohio State. First, they were hardly overwhelming in their victory over a Michigan team that lost to Appalacian Statae. And they lost to an Illinois team that lost to a Michigan team that lost to Appalachian State AND lost to an Iowa team that lost to Western Michigan! Also, that Iowa team lost to an Indiana team that lost to Duke that lost to NOTRE DAME! (Side note: USC lost to a Stanford team that lost to NOTRE DAME too). If losses Notre Dame, Appalachian State and Western Michigan are within 3 degrees of your schedule, you are not worthy of the national championship.
Hawaii is the best team in the country. They should play for the national championship against the other best team in the country–Kansas., The rest of the “powerhouses” have losses to the “poor houses” either on or within 3 degrees of their schedule. Kansas vs. Hawaii in New Orleans!
December 2nd, 2007 at 3:02 pm
765
Techie says:
Also, Edsall is God,
He said no to GT this morning, so you’re safe up there in Storrs.
December 2nd, 2007 at 3:02 pm
766
stapler says:
2007 tOSU = 1984 BYU
December 2nd, 2007 at 3:14 pm
767
R.D. Baker - Retired Blogger says:
D-Nice… Harris Poll?
December 2nd, 2007 at 3:14 pm
768
D-nice says:
@763
Harris Poll not out yet, at least from what I could find on the major sports websites.
December 2nd, 2007 at 3:23 pm
769
Crabapple Buck says:
Now that I see the polls have LSU #2, I guess the conference championship game helped the SEC again. So quit the bitching about the extra game, it has benefited the winner 2 years in a row. UGA got hosed. If they had played LSU yesterday, I am quite confidant that they would have fared better than Tennessee, meaning that LSU would be playing on New Years Day in a lesser bowl. I hope UGA gets the Rose Bowl, but we won’t know until tonight. BTW, the Big Ten can’t have a conference championship because they need 12 teams. Since we have one more than the name implies already, one more is not going to happen. But our conference championship game happened naturally on November 17 when tOSU beat Michigan.
Look for Les Miles to emerge from his smoke screen to talk to UM and accept the job if offered on Monday.
The sweetest part of being #1 is knowing how much it pisses off the detractors. If you feel we don’t belong, I suggest you contact a bookie and bet all you can. If you are right, you will be rich. If I am right, I’m sure you have friends with some extra bedrooms you can use while you look for more affordable housing.
December 2nd, 2007 at 3:24 pm
770
SpartanDan says:
AZDuck: OSU has *seven* wins that are better than Hawaii’s best (all of their conference wins except Minnesota, and a 19-point beating at Washington compared to Hawaii’s 7-point win at home), most of which are much, much better than Hawaii’s best. If that’s “not much better”, I don’t know what it would take for a team to have a much better resume than Hawaii’s.
Stapler: Are you seriously arguing that a loss to the SEC East champion … should make you the SEC champ? There aren’t words to describe that kind of idiocy. (And Georgia isn’t getting a pass on the USCe loss because USCe is not a good team, even compared to Kentucky and certainly not compared to Arkansas.)
December 2nd, 2007 at 3:35 pm
771
stapler says:
My point is that UGA lost to a good SEC team and an average SEC team. UT lost to an average SEC team and a garbage SEC team. The tiebreaker is stupid. You want to crown ‘em? Then crown their ass.
December 2nd, 2007 at 3:39 pm
772
Albino Tornado says:
Why’s tOSU railed against? Remember the wet sloppy kisses the Big 11 got last year from the media? Remember the destroyment they got from Florida? Remember all those big OOC games they played this year? Remember all those big conference games last year? Playing nothing but little brother schools in Ohio does not lead to national respect, and the putrescence of the Big 11 makes it looks like you’re skating in with minimal effort.
As a Nebraska fan, I remember the resentment Nebraska’d get in the 80’s and early 90’s about being a paper tiger as they couldn’t win the big one.
1987, lost to final #2 FSU and #3 OU
1988, lost to NC runner up Miami
1990, lost to co-NCs Colorado and Georgia Tech (eat that, UGa fan!)
1991, lost to co-NC’s Washington and Miami
1993, lost to NC FSU
You will be resented for repeatedly winning big games. Some people still think OSU got over on Miami as the PI call was… iffy, and that factors into it. All the jokes about Notre Dame and bowls I’ve heard before.
Of course, you will also be resented when you do nothing but kick ass. But that’s a way better kind of resentment.
December 2nd, 2007 at 3:43 pm
773
AZDuck says:
Spartan Dan: See the Big10 OOC schedule matrix above.
I have no idea how good the Big 10 really is, because you all only play each other, the MAC, and Notre Dame, and local 1AA schools.
Based on the very limited data available from non-Big 10/MAC/ND/1AA sources, the conference is:
5-4 in OOC against BCS conferences.
Wins: Washington State, Washington, Pitt, Syracuse (2X)
Losses: Oregon, Missouri, Dook, Iowa State
tOSU beat UW more convincingly on the road than Hawaii did at home. I’d be willing to buy tOSU as being a little bit better than Hawaii.
But don’t try and tell me that there are seven teams in your league better than Boise. That’s crap. Not in a league where Iowa loses to Iowa State and NW loses to Dook.
Bottom line is that Hawaii is undefeated and everyone else has at least 2 losses. Their schedule stinks, but so does tOSU’s. Again, I think there is no real data showing that the Big 10 is really any good other than the shared historical memory of the Big 10 once being a major conference.
Maybe if MSU had’nt chickened out of a game in the islands Hawaii would have one loss and we wouldn’t be having this talk right now.
December 2nd, 2007 at 3:54 pm
774
Chg says:
765- if no one had jumped over inactive teams, a different SEC team would be playing Ohio State for the title. How does that benefit the SEC exactly?
I think most in the conference would argue that LSU jumping Georgia actually benefits the Buckeyes. Tough I think LSU is more worthy based on their body of work, I believe UGa is more likely to beat Ohio State.
December 2nd, 2007 at 3:56 pm
775
chris says:
Rabble, rabble, rabble. UGAy sucks; no, LSUcks sucks! Rabble, rabble. No, the Big 10/11/Televen/Gay Al sucks! Rabble.
December 2nd, 2007 at 4:01 pm
776
Will says:
Note to self: get my money on whatever team is playing the suckeyes early, before the spread gets too big.
If a shit team is going to be playing for the title, might as well get some $$$ from it. Maybe parlay it with whomever gets stuck playing the ‘Bows too.
December 2nd, 2007 at 4:02 pm
777
Sam says:
@ Stapler (767)
The tiebreaker is stupid? A head-to-head matchup deciding which team is better is stupid? I’m not even going to touch that and I hope that you are just kidding here
December 2nd, 2007 at 4:03 pm
778
stapler says:
Lets say you have two one loss teams. One teams only loss comes from the other one loss team. The other one loss team’s one loss comes from a below average team. Both teams have one loss, but objectively, one team lost to a good team and the other lost to a bad team. Yes, head to head does look good but it too discounts the fact that the other team lost to a bad team. Therefore, an argument can be made that some tiebreakers do have it backward.
December 2nd, 2007 at 4:09 pm
779
chris says:
If a team beats another team, that first team is better! That is the ultimate tiebreaker! There is no argument against this!
December 2nd, 2007 at 4:14 pm
780
Sam says:
Sure, an argument “can” be made, but an argument could also be made that Duke is the best team in Division 1. Doesn’t mean the argument has any merit, though.
December 2nd, 2007 at 4:14 pm
781
thedecline19 says:
772
Vegas will take your money like everyone else’s. Go ahead and bet with your heart not your head, and take whoever is laying points to OSU. Then have fun telling yourself that you made the right bet when you’re broke…
December 2nd, 2007 at 4:15 pm
782
Rob G says:
774: Are you on crack?
December 2nd, 2007 at 4:19 pm
783
stapler says:
Gentlemen, before you place those bets that look like sure locks, remember this: the BCS champion underdog has a tendency to surprise everyone and win the damn thing. See exhibit UF, Texas, tOSU etc. Don’t say that you were not warned. And as much of an SEC homer as I am, I don’t know know if there are any safe bets in a wacko LSU team going against a tOSU team that “maybe?” learned something from last years embarrassment.
December 2nd, 2007 at 4:23 pm
784
Reasonable_Bama_Fan says:
Stapler, give it up. If Georgia were to be bypassed for a tiebreaker by a team that they beat head-to-head, your screaming could be heard for miles around. Results on the field should *always* be considered first. Your argument is worthless and weak, now drop and give me twenty.
December 2nd, 2007 at 4:25 pm
785
PW says:
Will @ 772
Let me get this straight. You leave a note to yourself reminding you to take advantage of a potential arbitrage opportunity before a lot of people also jump on it and cause it to disappear, but you do it on a message board with nearly 800 posts?
“Wow, there’s a giant pile of money over there! Hope no one sees it! Why am I yelling this?!”
December 2nd, 2007 at 4:31 pm
786
them oklahoma says:
I know that it seems rather set in stone at this point, with tOSU and LSU, but everyone needs to remember the super fun factor here: The Harris Poll. With Oklahoma doing rather well in the computer ratings (#1 in the Saragin), they could leap over tOSU/LSU if they get a #1 in the Harris. Personally, I think an OU LSU matchup (complete with all the comparisons to the last really funked up BCS season that, in the end, gave us OU and LSU) would be much closer to the top two teams. WIthin the grouping of OU/LSU/tOSU/USC/VaTech/UGA, I think tOSU (with the only argument being one loss rather than two, but then look at the sched) and UGA have the short end of the stick when it comes to ammo to argue with.
December 2nd, 2007 at 4:41 pm
787
R.D. Baker - Retired Blogger says:
Selection of BCS teams is looking like this:
1. NCG – #1 in the poll (looking like OSU)
2. NCG – #2 in the poll (looking like LSU)
3. Rose Bowl (since it looks like OSU is going to be #1)
4. Sugar Bowl/Fiesta Bowl (if LSU or Oklahoma respectively is #2, otherwise this pick gets skipped)
5. Orange Bowl
6. Fiesta Bowl
7. Sugar Bowl
Mind you, one of these picks has to be West Virginia and one may have to be Hawaii.
Already slotted:
USC – Rose Bowl
LSU – Sugar (unless they get #2)
Oklahoma – Fiesta (unless they get #2)
Va Tech – Orange
Have fun guessing
December 2nd, 2007 at 4:42 pm
788
Sam says:
What it will be:
MNC: tOSU vs. LSU
Rose: USC vs. [Team Redacted]
Sugar: Georgia vs. Hawaii
Fiesta: Oklahoma vs. Arizona State
Orange: Va Tech vs. WFVU
however, if that is the MNC, I hope that the Rose Bowl will pick Georgia to take on USC in what could be an amazing game
December 2nd, 2007 at 4:46 pm
789
TigerNacho says:
Playoff!
December 2nd, 2007 at 4:52 pm
790
R.D. Baker - Retired Blogger says:
Oh… and only 2 max teams from one conference (heh… forgot to mention that)
December 2nd, 2007 at 4:54 pm
791
R.D. Baker - Retired Blogger says:
#784. As cool as it would be to see ASU basically playing a home game with the way Erickson’s brought the fans out of the woodwork, the Fiesta Bowl wants the tourist money, so I doubt they’re going to pick ASU.
December 2nd, 2007 at 4:58 pm
792
Shy one says:
@755 – What about Wisconsin?
December 2nd, 2007 at 5:07 pm
793
OhioDawg says:
Les Miles is a douche bag. I don’t blame him for being bugged, but he’s a douche bag. How does he propose we hold the press accountable. Is this clown a Michigan grad?
December 2nd, 2007 at 5:13 pm
794
Jason says:
784 -
In order for the Rose to select Georgia, the Sugar’s going to have to release Georgia to the Rose in order for them to select us. If you look at selection procedures, a team that picks an at-large member and is replacing the #1 team needs consent from the bowl that lost the #2 team (LSU in the Sugar) to select a team from the same conference (in this case, Georgia).
In short, there’s pretty much no chance the Sugar releases Gerogia in that instance. I wouldn’t see why they would, but maybe it does happen.
Who knows.
December 2nd, 2007 at 5:14 pm
795
Thor says:
Brandon Lang, if you are still here:
I was not making fun of the Citadel, only the fact that playing the Citadel was the superficial reason for keeping Auburn out of the MNC a few years ago.
December 2nd, 2007 at 5:16 pm
796
Sam says:
@790:
Sorry, didn’t know that. Yeah I really doubt the Sugar Bowl would do that and settle for a Hawaii/West Va matchup
December 2nd, 2007 at 5:16 pm
797
Shy one says:
Someone please explain how you “back in” to a BCS title game? Didn’t Florida “back in” when USC lost last year? The country has gone mad I say, hanging on the words of Tim Brando and Spencer Tillman @CBS.
December 2nd, 2007 at 5:17 pm
798
Thor says:
Please don’t let it be Oklahoma vs anOSU, The two most overrated MNC game teams of recent memory against each other. Oklahoma deserves it, but i don’t think i could handle those two getting in.
December 2nd, 2007 at 5:20 pm
799
Sam says:
@ my 796 post
i mean 794 obviously
December 2nd, 2007 at 5:22 pm
800
AgnosticTheocrat says:
Hmmm, I think a truism is developing here. Anyone who claims:
1.) OSU has a worse schedule than Hawaii
2.) OSU doesn’t deserve to be in the title
3.) Georgia deserves a shot over LSU
4.) Georgia deserves a shot over OSU
5.) USC should even be in the fucking discussion despite it’s loss to STANFORD
is an idiot.
Maybe people should take a page from SMQB’s book and look at those little things called relevant stats, actual performance, and the truth. Fact is, LSU and OSU have the best claim to the title based on record, and performance. The reasons have been illuminated for everyone to see multiple times, so i don’t think i need to go back into them. Just because something sounds “truthy” doesn’t make it true.
December 2nd, 2007 at 5:28 pm