OPEN THREAD (OF THE DAMNED)

Swindle reports from the SEC Championship press box that Stewart Mandel is a Dapper Dan man. Best of luck to him in his fisticuffs, and to all of you in your end of season drankin’ and gallivantin’.
Swindle: Much thanks to Holly for the open thread opening. We were busy watching Les Miles nutslap ESPN two hours before the biggest game of the year. What happened in that press conference, and what’s allegedly happening in a fitting love triangle to end the Time of Troubles that this season’s been:
–First, the number we’ve gotten on LSU’s counter-offer to Miles is $3.45 million. Michigan’s not even in the same fairway as that offer at ~2.5 million a year.
–The media’s busy parsing the hell out of Miles’ verbiage like he’s a diplomat making a speech at the WTO. They shouldn’t–Miles came out with the body posture of a wrestler addressing the crowd and said ESPN was full of shit. That’s it. Tightly wound, school-of-Woody-Hayes tempermental PR posturing, pure and simple. He could have been brained with a folding chair by Lloyd Carr in the middle of it and it wouldn’t have seemed out of place.
–Sean O’Keefe, chancellor of LSU, looks like a man who bathes in Domaine du Puys and craps solid bars of platinum. Being nicknamed “Pappy” or “Red” and owning several islands devoted solely to his pleasure would NOT surprise us.
UPDATE: CBS and EDSBS, together again for the first time:
Your entire lives have been building to this moment; you just didn’t know it.
Swindle: Verne’s the nicest man you’ll ever meet. Danielson, on the other hand, stabbed us with the sharpened end of a broom handle on the way out. We kid! He was down ton the field doing his job when we were chatting with Verne.
Oh, and stop by and read the liveblog from the Championship Game over at the SN. It’s fact-tastic!
Update: we’re going to do a story on Erik Ainge maturing as a quarterback for tomorrow. We think it’ll happen any day now, and when it does, whoo-whee, look out!
815 Responses to “OPEN THREAD (OF THE DAMNED)”
Pages: « 1 … 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 [15] 16 17 » Show All
Pages: « 1 … 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 [15] 16 17 » Show All









701
bnb614 says:
Someone on ESPN last night said that the reason there is no playoff is the bowls are against it, and one of the major holdbacks from a playoff is the Rose Bowl who wants to stay with their commitment of Big 10 v Pac 10.
So if that is true, wouldn’t one assume the Rose would take Illinois?
December 2nd, 2007 at 10:48 am
702
NewAZTiger says:
Didn’t Ohio State play a 1AA team?
Doesn’t that automatically disqualify them?
December 2nd, 2007 at 10:57 am
703
Thor says:
#681, not true. Alabama has played Hawaii three times in the last 5 or so years, and a BAD bammer team beat them last year. And Georgia scheduled Boise and stomped, i mean stomped them. stapler i know you have to remember that, unless your in 3rd grade.
December 2nd, 2007 at 10:57 am
704
justanotherbuckeye says:
So according to NewAZTiger, just about every would kil tOSU…….I hope we get to play LSU, we’re sure to get killed for at least a month, it’s gonna be fun.
December 2nd, 2007 at 10:59 am
705
NewAZTiger says:
If Hawaii doesn’t get in the BCS MNC game, I’d love to see all the mid-majors back out of every game next year vs BCS schools.
That would hit the BCS conferences in the pocket book, costing millions of dollars for each school due to several lost home games.
December 2nd, 2007 at 11:00 am
706
NewAZTiger says:
Hawaii has the same number of wins vs the top 20 as tOSU and no losses.
December 2nd, 2007 at 11:01 am
707
Thor says:
#684, was it the Citadel? If so then they are not allowed in the BCS MNC game. It’s in the rules.
December 2nd, 2007 at 11:04 am
708
marcillac says:
Stapler,
LSU handled the pressure plenty well enough against Florida, Auburn and Alabama and stopped the run well enough against (admittedly less than an overwhelming running attack) Tennesee. It did this without Dorsey and a with hobbled Beckwith. It also did this with a second string QB who could not throw for most of the second half (as has been stated in many comments above).
The Dawgs are playing well and If there were a ployoff I’d take Georgia over LSU right now but healthier LSU might be a better team a month from now and given the SEC championship they are at least as deserving of the MNCCG nod. In any case you had your chances and blew them, just like everyone else. The notion that the Dawgs are a clear choice over LSU is absurd.
December 2nd, 2007 at 11:16 am
709
Mr Pelican Pants says:
Ivan Maisel said it best…
tOSU moved from #5 to # 3 by not playing last week….
They move from #3 to #1 by not playing this week….
Their best chance of winning the MNC is to NOT play it…..LOLOLOL!!!
December 2nd, 2007 at 11:21 am
710
Kenny says:
Lemmings, all of you.
You’ve been arguing for almost 700 posts about a television champion, which is *precisely* what Fox and the BCS is desirous of. Stay home enough, turn off the teevee enough, stop spending money enough and things might change, otherwise: status quo. The wallet is the thing, my friends.
Also, Rando @670: Plus 1.
December 2nd, 2007 at 11:29 am
711
Whine-O says:
If any of these teams were clearly better than the other, we wouldn’t have this controversey. There are at least 8 teams that “should” have taken care of business, but they didn’t.
It seems like the computers are going to sort this out and I am sure the human polls are going to be all over the map. It will be interesting to see how all the ballots fall out.
Whoever wins will have an asterik by their title and I bet the polls will crown different champions just to make it all jacked up.
December 2nd, 2007 at 11:46 am
712
purpleheart says:
Georgia had a decent season, but they also lost to South Carolina and Tennessee in 4 quarters. LSU won the conference championship, and blew the doors off of the Sagarin #1 Virginia tech by more than 40 points.
December 2nd, 2007 at 11:56 am
713
Ltrain says:
No Playoffs. Nothing needs to be proven.
December 2nd, 2007 at 12:04 pm
714
Chg says:
684- They played two- Youngstown State and Minnesota, There was also the rousing win over banged up Michigan- you know the one not quite as good as the team that came really close to beating Appalachian State.
December 2nd, 2007 at 12:08 pm
715
Mr Pelican Pants says:
IS it me , or does Orson look like RADAR from M*A*S*H in that pic of he and Uncle Verne?
December 2nd, 2007 at 12:09 pm
716
LegalHokie says:
PLAYOFF.
That said, I have no idea who should actually play. LSU killed VT early on, but everyone has to acknowledge that both teams are completely different now. Specifically, VT has stopped sucking on offense and has pulled its pants up on defense.
With the exception of the game that shall not be mentioned, since LSU, VT has beaten Clemson, Georgia Tech, Miami, FSU, Virginia and Boston College, all by double digits. None are world beaters, but all are good teams.
I’d say Georgia is better than LSU, but between who deserves to go, it’s a tossup between Georgia, LSU and VT for me.
December 2nd, 2007 at 12:09 pm
717
Mr Pelican Pants says:
I think we just have the all the two loss teams do
Rock-Paper-Scissors til we get a winner to face tOSU
December 2nd, 2007 at 12:10 pm
718
beckett929 says:
698 –
That isnt how we already do it?? I mean last year I was thanking the football gods that Llyod Carr always picks rock, but I was never totally sure why…
December 2nd, 2007 at 12:31 pm
719
Futbawl Fan says:
Ltrain (#694?) – may you be struck blind in a peculiar way so that you can never see another scoreboard again in your life… but you will still be able to see the hem of the pettycoat you wear
to anyone here who thinks tOSU should be in the MNC game… tell ya what… yall come play MissState, Auburn, or Florida…. IF you win, you then have the nation’s blessing to play one of the better teams… like LSU, SCw, GA, OK or even Hawaii… or are you still pointing at the Michigan game and saying that victory was good enough to qualify you? gimme a damn break
and yes, Tigernacho – playoffs
December 2nd, 2007 at 12:33 pm
720
Futbawl Fan says:
this may not be the biggest blog response on this site, but it definitely qualifies as my favorite
nothing like a good old nasty bitch slapping contest to wake ya up on a hungover Sunday morn
yeeeeehaaaawwww
December 2nd, 2007 at 12:35 pm
721
NewAZTiger says:
The travesty of this entire system is that basically you’re telling a state school that they can never ever play for the national championship.
If Hawaii can’t make it this year, they will never ever make it.
That, in a word, is wrong.
December 2nd, 2007 at 12:36 pm
722
Brandon Lang says:
#684 Thor.
Easy on The Citadel. They have been a 1-A killer over the years and was actually tied at 21 with Wisconsin at the half this season.
Granted, they’re going to get their doors blown off by Florida in next year’s opener, but they had a pretty solid year this year.
December 2nd, 2007 at 12:42 pm
723
Futbawl Fan says:
god bless you Holly for being the author (or instigator) of my two favorite threads this season on EDSBS – this one and the post FL-TN payoff
Free cocktail on me anytime in the ATL
December 2nd, 2007 at 12:51 pm
724
Cap'n Ken says:
Were you guys out chasing cows with Vol fans last night? Wake up already – it’s 1 p.m. and nothing yet on the mess of last night???
December 2nd, 2007 at 12:58 pm
725
stapler says:
Futbawl Fan, you must not have been here for the anti-ESPN thread in late 2005. That one was at 1000+ comments. Might even still be going.
December 2nd, 2007 at 1:07 pm
726
TigerNacho says:
This is the kind of argument anti-playoff twits use to say, “See, the bowl system encourages controversy, debate and excitement. If we had a playoff that would all go away. Wouldn’t we all miss the end-of-the-year debate?”
So, instead of determining a champ on the field, getting tons of exciting games and historic matchups, we get to look back every year and say, “Oh, hey, remember that BCS debate in 2003? That was a good year. Oh, but don’t forget about 2008, that was pretty snappy too.”
Oh yeah. Good times. Good times.
Sorry, I’m a little hungover.
Geaux Tigers! Beat (enter your team here)
December 2nd, 2007 at 1:08 pm
727
NewAZTiger says:
I’m about to go Nick Saban on ya’ll, a’ight.
It is UNAMERICAN that a David cannot rise to the top and defeat Goliath under this system. America was built on the premise that the little man can overachieve, can climb the mountain, can succeed against all odds.
You talk about schedules, and schools, and all that BS, and you’re missing the big picture. There are 85 college kids that gave their hearts and souls to their football team to live the dream, and they beat all comers. These kids were overlooked by the big boys, and those same big boys then refused to schedule them because they knew they might lose the football game. But these 85 kids at a STATE SCHOOL had a perfect regular season in a year when every other team in the nation had at least 1 loss.
Teams should be arguing about which Goliath is going to try to slay David.
And when Hawaii doesn’t go to the MNC game, I hope the mid majors go back to the US Congress and get this abolished. A State School has just been told that it can’t play for the prize, and all the prestige, respect, and money that comes with that. Taxpayer dollars cannot and should not be used to support this type of discrimination. It is WRONG.
December 2nd, 2007 at 1:12 pm
728
ijustdontgetit says:
Mark Richt said it quite well:
“Let’s face it, going into today we were ranked No. 4 in the BCS. They ranked us there for a reason. They believed we belonged there. Two teams lost ahead of us. Everybody knew going in we were not going to play for a conference championship and still they voted us there. They voted us there for a reason and I don’t know why that should change right now.”
The only reason that LSU jumps UGA is that fact that the human voters might listen to Kirk Herbstreit and “Forget about last week’s ballot.” WTF? Think you Buckeyes have a shot at a physically and mentally exhausted LSU, Kirk? I can’t think of any other reason that you might say that.
December 2nd, 2007 at 1:16 pm
729
stapler says:
“It is WRONG.”
But it feels so right!!!!
December 2nd, 2007 at 1:17 pm
730
poguemahone says:
A look at Ohio State’s SOS in comparison with certain others:
According to Sagarin, Ohio State’s schedule is ranked 60th and Hawaii’s is ranked 137th – lower than some D-1AA teams.
From CBS Sportsline, AKA SEC homer country, here are their SOS rankings for some notable teams:
Ohio State: 43rd
LSU: 26th
Missouri: 3rd (!)
Hawaii: 118th
Oklahoma: 44th
USC: 73rd
Georgia: 21st
WVU: 42nd
So all comparisons of Hawaii’s schedule to tOSU’s can stop now. You’re going more than a little overboard. As you can see, tOSU’s SOS is significantly weaker than only LSU, Georgia and Missouri according to none other than the bright minds at your favorite channel, CBS.
December 2nd, 2007 at 1:17 pm
731
Hanawi says:
Looks like it will be OSU and LSU
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/usatpoll.htm
December 2nd, 2007 at 1:29 pm
732
The Artist Formerly Known as tOSUBuckeyes says:
For all those who were clamoring about USC and bashing Ohio State’s schedule…USC beat a total of 2 teams with winning records, Ohio State beat 6. USC lost twice, once to a team with a losing record, Ohio State lost once to a 9-3 Illinois team.
As to the conference argument, Notre Dame went 2-1 against the Pac 10 and 0-4 against the Big 10.
==========
I am shocked that LSU as able to leap frog every one in 1 week; voters basically said that the 7 point win over 9-3 Tenn was better than OU’s 21 point domination of #1 11-1 Mizzu.
I think the Texas Tech and Arkansas losses wash each other out, leaving OU’s loss to CU be perceived as worse than LSU’s OT loss to Kentucky. Personally, I would consider those games a wash as well. Then I would look at who played better in their last game. No one could honestly say that LSU played better than OU this weekend.
December 2nd, 2007 at 1:43 pm
733
D-nice says:
I know that Notre Dame will rise in again in some respect, but as for right now, it’s unbelievable to think that for Michigan and USC, and any other teams that play ND every year, they are hurting strength of schedule. That’s fucked up.
USC’s preseason strength of schedule was highly ranked, but has fallen over the season as all of the supposed good teams (Nebraska, UCLA, Cal, Notre Dame) got worse and worse as the season progressed.
December 2nd, 2007 at 1:43 pm
734
Jman says:
Hawaii…just do it.
If there was ever a year.
Does it make sense?
Are they the first or second best team in the country?
Do they have good schedule strength?
No, no and no.
Do they deserve a shot due to the circumstances of the day?
Absolutely.
December 2nd, 2007 at 1:44 pm
735
The Artist Formerly Known as tOSUBuckeyes says:
One other point, with the way things are changing does it really matter what a team did in weeks 1-4? Seriously, shouldn’t it be what a team did in the last 4 weeks?
I know you have to give some credit to early season wins, but both LSU and VT are not the same teams they were in week 2.
December 2nd, 2007 at 1:46 pm
736
D-nice says:
@731. The clamoring for USC is by a very small contingent of fans. Most Trojan fans are thrilled to be in the Rose Bowl considering where USC was a few weeks ago, and they realize that the Trojans made their own bed by losing to Stanford.
Yeah, USC is playing great NOW, but even Pete Carroll didn’t make much of a point of being selected for the national championship.
Stoops, on the other hand, really did lobby hard. And although I think OU is (1) playing great, (2) would be competitive and maybe even win the NC, they also shot themselves in the foot. That said, their SOS is higher than USC’s and they had to beat a good Missouri team twice.
You really could argue LSU and UGA, and it wouldn’t be that left field. But, would the BCS ever match conference opponents? Have they?
December 2nd, 2007 at 1:49 pm
737
Your Mom loves LSU says:
Hey UGAy…35-14. STFU.
December 2nd, 2007 at 1:55 pm
738
Shy one says:
Why all the nationwide vitriol aimed at Ohio State? I need to know.
December 2nd, 2007 at 1:57 pm
739
TrojanRick says:
To D-nice -
I suppose they will also be complaining next year when USC’s three non-conference games involve a trip to Charlottesville, and hosting tOSU and Notre Dame!!!
The following year it will include hosting Hawaii and visiting Columbus and South Bend.
Guys, you play the schedule given to you. The only reason why Washington was on Hawaii’s schedule was that Michigan State chose to bail out!
December 2nd, 2007 at 1:58 pm
740
SpartanDan says:
#702 (NewAZTiger):
If there were another one-loss team worth taking, you might have a point. (There were two other unbeatens the year that cost you guys.) Problem is, Kansas and Hawaii (the only teams that can match or beat the “1″ in the L column) both have worse schedules, easily.
And no, Hawaii would not kill OSU. If not for a completely bullshit illegal forward pass call, they might not even have beaten Washington. If there were a playoff (which there should be), Hawaii would get in. But all they’ve proven on the field is that they’re a little better than the worst team in the Pac-10.
December 2nd, 2007 at 2:10 pm
741
AZDuck says:
tOSU – 43rd SoS with 1 loss (to the only top 25 team they’ve played, unless Michigan is still ranked, which they shouldn’t be)
LSU – 26th SoS with 2 losses – to big bad SEC powerhouses Arkansas and Kentucky
Hawaii – 118th SoS. No losses.
I’d take pretty much any major conference 1-loss team over Hawaii in the BCS title game, but I have a hard time saying a 2-loss team should get the nod over the Bows.
The system’s broke, boys and girls. Hawaii in the BCS would be a funny as hell way to recognize that.
December 2nd, 2007 at 2:12 pm
742
Irwin Fletcher says:
Anyone wanting to look into derangement straight in the eye needs to go over to the ajc.com website and read the comments to Mark Bradley’s column spinning the “UGA should play in the BCSCG” story.
December 2nd, 2007 at 2:14 pm
743
PW says:
2 December 2007, 8:30 p.m.
Dear Georgia or LSU,
Sorry, buddy. You’ve just been left out of the national championship game despite (being #4 last week and having two teams in front of you lose or winning the SEC title). That sucks. Well chin up, buddy. You’re gonna get a chance to play Hawaii in the Sugar Bowl and they gave up 44 to LA Tech and 37 to Utah St.
You need to go to the Sugar Bowl and break 100 points. It won’t be hard because Hawaii sucks. Once you do that, you are a co-national champion. Sure, people will say it doesn’t really count like USC’s in 2004 or Michigan’s in 1997, but they’re just jealous, that’s all.
-PW
December 2nd, 2007 at 2:18 pm
744
stapler says:
I tired of people whining about how UGA “didn’t win their conference so how can they play for the MNC?” Well, they tied for their division and the tiebreaker (which I belive works backward) prevented it. Throw out the SECCG and we have three SEC champions — UT, LSU, and UGA. It’s a really dumb argument, but it can be argued that UGA won the SEC anyway. And look at the joke that is tOSU. They didn’t win their conference championship game so I guess they should not play in the MNC either. UGA got screwed.
December 2nd, 2007 at 2:18 pm
745
D-nice says:
@738 Trojanrick. You’ve completely misinterpreted my post. I am a Trojan fan. I wasn’t complaining. I said in an earlier post that USC is the one program that doesn’t duck competition and always schedules quality non-conference opponents. (VT, Auburn, Nebraska, Arkansas, ND, in the past few years just to name a few, and the examples you gave for the future, including Ohio State for the next two years).
I was just pointing out that this year, a non-conference schedule that would normally be strong (Nebraska, Notre Dame), and a portion of the conference schedule that looked great on paper earlier in the season, turned out to be not as strong as expected. And, therefore, USC’s argument for a national championship is weakened. It’s not that the Trojans have no argument, but it’s not as strong as if Nebraska would have stayed in the top 20, ND was up to its normal standards, and teams like Cal and UCLA didn’t go from Top 10 to mediocre.
December 2nd, 2007 at 2:21 pm
746
peachtree gator says:
@741
The derangement stems from their lack of a national championship in over 20 years while watching their most-hated rivals acquire one or more since their last. Their misery is delicious!
December 2nd, 2007 at 2:22 pm
747
PW says:
743
The tiebreaker worked backward? What the hell are you talking about? TENNESSEE BEAT YOU.
December 2nd, 2007 at 2:22 pm
748
poguemahone says:
“to the only top 25 team they’ve played, unless Michigan is still ranked, which they shouldn’t be”
If you mean still ranked in the top 25, then you’re right. Meanwhile, LSU lost to two teams that are no longer in the top 25 and that argument would have to be made as well.
But Penn State, Purdue, Michigan, Wisconsin, Michigan State and Illinois (in one poll) were all ranked in the top 25 when we played them. Finishing 5-1 versus the top 25 isn’t bad at all. Meanwhile, LSU played Va Tech, South Carolina, Florida, Kentucky, Auburn, Tennessee and Alabama when they were all ranked in the top 25, and only three of those teams are still in the top 25.
December 2nd, 2007 at 2:29 pm
749
stapler says:
yes, but UT lost to UF and Bama. UGA lost to UT and South Carolina. We lost to the SEC East champ, while UT lost to a garbage Bama team. UGA has the strongest case to lay claim to both the SEC championship and the MNC.
December 2nd, 2007 at 2:31 pm
750
stapler says:
ANd why the hell is UGAs loss to Carolina not excusable like LSUs loss to Arkansas that took place LAST WEEK?!?!?!
December 2nd, 2007 at 2:32 pm