OPEN THREAD (OF THE DAMNED)

Swindle reports from the SEC Championship press box that Stewart Mandel is a Dapper Dan man. Best of luck to him in his fisticuffs, and to all of you in your end of season drankin’ and gallivantin’.
Swindle: Much thanks to Holly for the open thread opening. We were busy watching Les Miles nutslap ESPN two hours before the biggest game of the year. What happened in that press conference, and what’s allegedly happening in a fitting love triangle to end the Time of Troubles that this season’s been:
–First, the number we’ve gotten on LSU’s counter-offer to Miles is $3.45 million. Michigan’s not even in the same fairway as that offer at ~2.5 million a year.
–The media’s busy parsing the hell out of Miles’ verbiage like he’s a diplomat making a speech at the WTO. They shouldn’t–Miles came out with the body posture of a wrestler addressing the crowd and said ESPN was full of shit. That’s it. Tightly wound, school-of-Woody-Hayes tempermental PR posturing, pure and simple. He could have been brained with a folding chair by Lloyd Carr in the middle of it and it wouldn’t have seemed out of place.
–Sean O’Keefe, chancellor of LSU, looks like a man who bathes in Domaine du Puys and craps solid bars of platinum. Being nicknamed “Pappy” or “Red” and owning several islands devoted solely to his pleasure would NOT surprise us.
UPDATE: CBS and EDSBS, together again for the first time:
Your entire lives have been building to this moment; you just didn’t know it.
Swindle: Verne’s the nicest man you’ll ever meet. Danielson, on the other hand, stabbed us with the sharpened end of a broom handle on the way out. We kid! He was down ton the field doing his job when we were chatting with Verne.
Oh, and stop by and read the liveblog from the Championship Game over at the SN. It’s fact-tastic!
Update: we’re going to do a story on Erik Ainge maturing as a quarterback for tomorrow. We think it’ll happen any day now, and when it does, whoo-whee, look out!
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651
Smyth says:
I’ve given up trying to make sense of this. There is no order to the world anymore.
Can anyone say split MNC? Suppose UGA plays tOSU in the title game and wins. LSU rolls over their bowl opponent. Can anyone really make an argument that UGA is more title-worthy than LSU? Throw in a couple of strong bowl performances by other members of the two loss club, and things get really interesting.
December 2nd, 2007 at 1:51 am
652
Ed says:
There are only two teams I would not want to have to line-up against: Oklahoma and USC. All the others are beatable in multiple ways.
Of all the losses among the contenders, USC’s close loss to a Dixon-led Oregon in Eugene is the most forgivable. Nobody beat that Oregon team.
Missouri lost on neutral ground in a second-chance match-up.
The best game, by far, would be USC-Oklahoma.
December 2nd, 2007 at 1:51 am
653
poguemahone says:
What I find funniest about this epic shitstorm from SEC fans in this thread is that if Ohio State actually beat LSU, we’ll only hear excuses, and no crow being eaten. At least now I know not to get my hopes up that you guys will ever admit you were wrong.
December 2nd, 2007 at 1:51 am
654
Mike says:
@628
If you don’t wanna get “screwed”, don’t lose to Stanford at home.
December 2nd, 2007 at 1:52 am
655
poguemahone says:
@636
“Nobody beat that Oregon team” – except – DUN DUN DUN – a six loss Cal team that finished 8th or 9th in the conference. Oh, that very same Cal team beat the SEC runner up by two TDs.
December 2nd, 2007 at 1:55 am
656
Rob G says:
637, I dunno, I wouldn’t be surprised if OSU beat LSU, and I’m an SEC homer (of sorts). The way this season has gone, it’s almost to be expected. Besides, OSU will be ultra-motivated, considering what happened last year.
December 2nd, 2007 at 1:59 am
657
Rob G says:
Not to mention, LSU is super flawed (and so is UGA, contrary to popular belief)
December 2nd, 2007 at 2:00 am
658
Mike says:
Btw, looking at the Sagarin ratings, tomorrow its going to have Virginia Tech at #1, leaping Mizzou, WVU, and Kansas (who only had a tenth of a point on the Hokies prior to their win over BC, who was #7 as of yesterday).
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt07.htm
December 2nd, 2007 at 2:00 am
659
thedecline19 says:
I love that no one has suggested what is the most likely scenario, that tOSU plays an overrated 2 loss SEC team and smacks them in their mouth. Get over yourselves guys.
December 2nd, 2007 at 2:01 am
660
thedecline19 says:
hey ed, the best game might be oklahoma vs usc, but neither of those teams deserve any sort of NC shot. Maybe they should worry about beating Stanford, Oregon, Colorado, and Texas Tech first.
December 2nd, 2007 at 2:04 am
661
poguemahone says:
Both OSU and LSU have their flaws. At full strength, no injuries, playing their best game all season, LSU trounces the Buckeyes in front of a partisan LSU crowd, and I don’t have much of a problem admitting that. Problem is, they’ve got injuries all over the place, they haven’t played a solid game across the board since Va Tech, and they have two QBs who get rattled easily. Dorsey’s a beast, but he’ll probably still be hobbled, and this defense is still giving up yards in bunches to teams it should be shutting down and out (see Ole Miss and yes, Arkansas). LSU hasn’t faced a good defense since they eeked it out against Auburn, and hasn’t played a good, consistent offense since they outlasted Florida. They’re a good team, with the potential to be a truly great team. I just haven’t seen anything out of them recently that tells me they would blast Ohio State. With Florida last year, I at least knew Chris Leak was pretty good when he wasn’t pressured, and that the defense was a killer OSU would have a tough time moving the ball against. When we were blown out, I wasn’t in a total state of shock like most of Buckeye nation. I knew it could have happened, but didn’t think it would. I don’t get that vibe at all for this LSU team.
I just know I haven’t seen this level of cockiness from any fanbase since, well, OSU’s last year before the title game.
December 2nd, 2007 at 2:09 am
662
A Cal bear in SC says:
639
Fuck yeah! I was about to write the same thing. Why do we hear so much about parity in the SEC and nothing about parity in the Pac-10? If I remember correctly, USCar beat UGA and Clemson beat them this year. Did you hear me?! Fucking Clemson! In the clusterfuck that is this year, all these teams have excuses. The only one who really has no place on the list is tOSU. Oh, and fuck that. OSU you pretentious sunsabitches.
December 2nd, 2007 at 2:10 am
663
poguemahone says:
^^^fanbase I was referring to was just the SEC in general, btw.
December 2nd, 2007 at 2:11 am
664
poguemahone says:
@639
Uh, okay. You lost your last two games to teams Notre Dame beat convincingly. Notre Dame.
Get. The. Hell. Out.
December 2nd, 2007 at 2:13 am
665
poguemahone says:
@644
Uh, okay. You lost your last two games to teams Notre Dame beat convincingly. Notre Dame.
Get. The. Hell. Out.
(this may double post, fucking computer)
December 2nd, 2007 at 2:14 am
666
peace w/o the barn says:
I think it’s funny that the tosu fans are already making excuses about losing to LSU/UGA. It’s all over their boards.
Do they fly in refs for the Hawaii game or do they have resident Hawaiians? Killer gig if they fly em in.
December 2nd, 2007 at 2:15 am
667
UCLA Mob says:
Karl Dorrell is out at UCLA. Names being thrown around by connected people are Steve Mariucci, Chris Peterson and Mike Leach.
December 2nd, 2007 at 2:21 am
668
A Cal bear in SC says:
@647 (and, to a lesser extent, 646)
When you’re right you’re right. Cal sucks donkey balls. I’m wearing my blue n’ gold right now crying tears into my herbal tea. However I stand by my previous direct article statement. OSU is a great team with a great and rich history and that article only serves to make others say, “Wait, is there another Ohio State I’m unaware of or are they just being dicks?” Props on you for calling out my sorry-ass excuse for a team. At one point this season Cal was a single play away from being number one for the first time in fifty years. Now we’re six and six and lost the big game for the first time in five years. Well, here’s to another fifty fucking years…
December 2nd, 2007 at 2:36 am
669
Ben says:
Does Colt Brennan throw up on the field when he gets nervous or was that Chang?
December 2nd, 2007 at 2:51 am
670
bup bup bup says:
as an Ohio State fan, i’m willing to admit that we’re sometimes arrogant, but pretentious?
that’s like calling AC/DC pretentious. which is appropriate, since Ohio State is basically the AC/DC of college football
December 2nd, 2007 at 2:54 am
671
Land of Os(borne) says:
An F-bomb just went uncensored on ESPN.
Tee-fuckin’-hee!
December 2nd, 2007 at 2:55 am
672
Mike says:
35-28 Hawaii with 44 seconds left.
December 2nd, 2007 at 3:10 am
673
D-nice says:
I’m surprised to see several posters making USC’s case. Based on current play yes, but even Pete Carroll didn’t make much of a ‘take us” argument.
I’m a big Trojan fan, but they have two losses, one to Stanford at home. Injuries notwithstanding, they let Stanford convert two fourth and very longs to win.
Also, Pete Carroll and the Trojans don’t duck competition – you can never take that away from them. But, this year, their scedule turned out weaker than expected. Nebraska sucks, Cal really does suck, UCLA pretty much sucks.
But, I don’t blame Trojan fans for making their case in this crazy season.
The thing that is disconcerting is that nearly every “expert” has OSU penciled in, and the debate is over who gets the other slot.
It really shoul be that LSU is the automatic assumption and should be included in the debate for #2. I would have no problem aruging USC or Georgia, or OU over OSU. But, really can’t, in my opinion, argue those teams over LSU.
BTW, Jeff Tedford should be fired.
December 2nd, 2007 at 3:10 am
674
D-nice says:
@655 ^^^^^
I meant to say “and OSU should be included in the debate for #2.”
December 2nd, 2007 at 3:12 am
675
D-nice says:
Wow, Hawaii came back from 21-0 down.
Norm Chow should get the job at UCLA, assuming he would want it.
December 2nd, 2007 at 3:17 am
676
Albino Tornado says:
MAO! *click* MAO, dammit! *click* MAO! *click* *click* *click*
December 2nd, 2007 at 3:18 am
677
Anonymous IV says:
HAWAII WINS!!!
December 2nd, 2007 at 3:19 am
678
The Humanitarian says:
#655 – Don’t forget, Notre Dame *really sucks*
December 2nd, 2007 at 4:01 am
679
oc phil says:
If not for injuries to QBs, the two top teams would be Oregon and USC.
LSU barely beat the team that lost to the #7 team in the Pac 10. No way LSU deserves a shot in the title game.
December 2nd, 2007 at 4:38 am
680
BJ and The Bear says:
“I?m as big a Georgia homer as they come, but I don?t think LSU deserves it any more than any other two-loss team. They got beaten by two unranked teams, and frankly, they?ve had two shots at getting into the MNC game already this year and dropped the ball on both of them. Give someone else a shot.”
Everyone else did have a shot. Just because they didn’t actually occupy a top spot doesn’t mean that, had they not also lost two games, they wouldn’t have ended up there. Every time one of these top teams lost they opened the door for others. Then the other teams lost too and fell.
You have to toss out the rankings and look at each team’s resume. You can start right off the bat with conference champions. That means goodbye dawgs.
December 2nd, 2007 at 4:39 am
681
BJ and The Bear says:
“LSU barely beat the team that lost to the #7 team in the Pac 10. No way LSU deserves a shot in the title game.”
That’s pretty weak. OK then. USC barely beat Washington. Now go find a bad Washington lost. That won’t be hard. OU barely beat Iowa St. Georgia barely beat Vanderbilt. VT barely beat North Carolina.
LSU is the only only conference champion that beat another conference champion. That’s a STRONG case. USC didn’t beat a champion. OU didn’t. GA didn’t. VT didn’t. WVU didn’t. OSU didn’t.
December 2nd, 2007 at 4:46 am
682
AZDuck says:
Screw it. 12-0 Hawaii’s got as good an argument as anyone this year. They haven’t played anyone good, but neither has Kansas except the one team they lost to, neither has Ohio State (at all, really, except maybe Illinois, who beat them). LSU has losses to two middling-to-poor teams. USC – one really bad loss, one respectable loss. ASU – one respectable loss, one blowout to USC. West Virginia – Wannstache. Virginia Tech – too boring to ever be allowed in a national title game, and Beamer looks like a bullfrog.
Face it fellas, its time for the Bows.
December 2nd, 2007 at 5:00 am
683
AZDuck says:
LSU HAS TWO LOSSES.
A 12-0 team should be picked over any two loss team.
I’m not even a Hawaii fan, but for crying out loud.
December 2nd, 2007 at 5:15 am
684
D-nice says:
Hawaii deserves a BCS shot, but not the NC. Think about it, if Hawaii is in the national championship game, scedule strength means absolutely nothing. We’ll never see an interesting non-conference game again, because everyone will schedule weak teams in an attempt to go undefeated.
OSU’s schedule strength isn’t that strong either, (though stronger than Hawaii’s) so I guess Hawaii could point to that.
December 2nd, 2007 at 5:36 am
685
Chas says:
Yes, but at the same time the BCS apologists say that the very reason the BCS is great is because “every game counts” and the “regular season is a defacto playoff.” If that’s the case, then how come Hawaii can run the table and still be unsure as to whether they’ll even get into one of the Big 4 BCS bowls. let alone ever have a sniff of the BCSCG? I know they didn’t play anybody, but what are they supposed to do? The PAC 10 is not going to take them, so the best they could hope for would be a move to the MWC, which at this point would be a lateral move at best. As for the non-conference schedule, it’s not like this is NCAA08 for the xbox 360. They can’t just magically adjust their schedule to include three preseason top 25 teams. Besides that, non-conference games are made years ahead of time. Hell, UF already has nonconference games lined up for 2012! In fact, if I’m not mistaken, when Hawaii put UW on the schedule, it was a UW team that had Reggie Williams, Tuiasosopo, Larry Tripplett, etc. It’s not their fault that Rick Neuheisel managed to run the Huskies into the ground before the game got played.
Look, don’t get me wrong. If I had to pick the two best teams in the country, Hawaii wouldn’t be one of them. But then again, neither would tOSU. All I’m saying is that no matter how many bandaids they put on the BCS each offseason to try to tweak the formula it won’t matter; the system will always be flawed due to the fact that nearly half of the NCAA has literally zero chance of playing for the MNC, and nothing short of a playoff will fix things.
Fwiw though, if I did have to pick two teams for the championship, I’d pick tOSU and UGa, if for no other reason than the thought of the suckeyes getting trampled by the third best team in the SEC puts a giant smile on my face.
December 2nd, 2007 at 6:11 am
686
Pac10dude says:
UW should have beat Hawaii tonight. We choked
UW is 4-9
Hawaii is damn lucky they get to go to the Sugar Bowl, where they will promptly be gangraped
December 2nd, 2007 at 6:23 am
687
Pac10dude says:
#500
This is how itd go
USC over tOsu
Oklahom aoverWVU
LSU overHawaii
Arizona State overVaTech
USC overOklahoma
LSU overASU
USC overLSU
December 2nd, 2007 at 6:28 am
688
Rando says:
My favorite part of this weekend will have to be Verne and Gary weeping for poor LSU not getting into the title game. All because of the chop block on Dorsey in the Auburn game… Please…
December 2nd, 2007 at 6:53 am
689
stapler says:
I’m tired of hearing all this LSU trash whining about how they should make the MNC. Hey, LSwho, you should have taken care of your business when you had the chance. But you didn’t, so enjoy watching the MNC from the athletic dorms, bitches.
December 2nd, 2007 at 8:05 am
690
Harvey Wireman says:
There are zero obvious choices for the BCS crystal bowl game.
There are five teams with legitimate claims to get into the mythical, or comical by now, national championship game, and here they are in my not so humble opinion:
USC, Pac 10 champ
LSU, SEC champ (sorry UGA)
OSU, Big 10 champ
Va Tech, ACC champ
Okies, Big 12 champ (sorry Kansas)
All have two losses, except theOSU. But theOSU needs some sort of penalty for pastying up its schedule toooooooooo much this year, so I would not give them too much credit for just having one loss.
There will be arguing and gnashing of teeth about this BCS situation for years.
My choice: LSU and USC – two toughest teams in toughest conferences, with unfinished business from a few years ago still festering and pestering its fan bases.
Also, note USC’s recent history:
- sixth straight BCS game,
- winning its sixth straight Pac-10 title,
- posting its sixth straight season of 10 or more wins.
Grasping at straws? Perhaps, but that is all there is to grasp at now, isn’t it ladies and gentlemen?
December 2nd, 2007 at 8:12 am
691
Futbawl Fan says:
this is the most awesome bunch of whiney bitchy squealy bitches argueing over sugar cubes in a teacup I have ever seen…
there should be nothing but one message allowed on this blog…
nothing is proven this season unless there is a playoff
n.o.t.h.i.n.g.
December 2nd, 2007 at 8:49 am
692
TigerNacho says:
PLAYOFFS.
December 2nd, 2007 at 9:05 am
693
NewAZTiger says:
If not for injuries to QBs, the two top teams would be Oregon and USC.
LSU barely beat the team that lost to the #7 team in the Pac 10. No way LSU deserves a shot in the title game.
Talk out of both sides of your mouth… LSU beat UT while playing their SECOND STRING QB, who ended up playing half the game with a throwing hand injury. LSU is still a team without their QB. Oregon – like ALL spread teams – is a joke once the QB gets hurt (and the QB will get hurt in the spread).
LSU is the best team this year – top to bottom – because they are so deep. Remember, they had the #1 on their chest for most of the season, so they got every teams best shot, so they should get the spot based upon that alone. I mean, after all, the USC fans taught me that a few years ago.
December 2nd, 2007 at 9:39 am
694
NewAZTiger says:
Oh, and USC lost to the last place team in the Pac-10. WOOO, gimme a fucking siren!!!
December 2nd, 2007 at 9:40 am
695
R.D. Baker - Retired Blogger says:
NOOOOOO… My poor Fiesta Bowl’s gonna get Oklahoma-Kansas now
December 2nd, 2007 at 9:55 am
696
meatybob says:
Playoffs exist to determine from a group of deserving teams a champion. All we have this year are undeserving teams. (I actually kinda feel bad for 95 Nebraska, the 01 Canes, and the 05 Longhorns because they have to share the same title of “national champs” with one of these fricken teams this year) So if your team isn’t picked in the top two, you have not right to complain because everything was in that team’s power to prevent that situtation.
Don’t you see is that the lack of playoffs is what makes college football great? Don’t lose, or you will get what is in the mystery box, and you may not like it. (Hawaii, just sit there and look pretty, not sure what to do with you yet, but schedule only away games next time to get tougher opponents)
December 2nd, 2007 at 10:02 am
697
NewAZTiger says:
Hawaii would kill tOSU. Based upon that alone, they should go to the MNC game.
December 2nd, 2007 at 10:04 am
698
Coop says:
You know the Rapture is coming when St. Richt stays home from Sunday School, but not preaching, to make his case on ESPN for Georgia to play for the national championship.
Tommy would have already bussed our kids to the mandatory all day worship service…
December 2nd, 2007 at 10:27 am
699
stapler says:
meatybob, #678
Are you new to college football or something? Teams are scared to death to play Hawaii and don’t want to schedule them. Every major power is scared of being on the receiving end of a Michigan/App. State debacle. The BCS is scared as all hell of teams like Boise, Utah, Hawaii, etc. And if you think lack of closure at the end of football seasons is what makes CFB great, well, that is actually too stupid to warrant a response.
December 2nd, 2007 at 10:41 am
700
stapler says:
And this years LSU team reminds me of USC over the past couple seasons: lots of media hype but only marginal results on the field. Just because the talking heads keep saying again and again that LSU is the best, that does not make it true. LSU is a team that can’t handle the pressure, can’t stop the run, and it will be a tragedy if they back into the MNC.
December 2nd, 2007 at 10:44 am