OPEN THREAD (OF THE DAMNED)

Swindle reports from the SEC Championship press box that Stewart Mandel is a Dapper Dan man. Best of luck to him in his fisticuffs, and to all of you in your end of season drankin’ and gallivantin’.
Swindle: Much thanks to Holly for the open thread opening. We were busy watching Les Miles nutslap ESPN two hours before the biggest game of the year. What happened in that press conference, and what’s allegedly happening in a fitting love triangle to end the Time of Troubles that this season’s been:
–First, the number we’ve gotten on LSU’s counter-offer to Miles is $3.45 million. Michigan’s not even in the same fairway as that offer at ~2.5 million a year.
–The media’s busy parsing the hell out of Miles’ verbiage like he’s a diplomat making a speech at the WTO. They shouldn’t–Miles came out with the body posture of a wrestler addressing the crowd and said ESPN was full of shit. That’s it. Tightly wound, school-of-Woody-Hayes tempermental PR posturing, pure and simple. He could have been brained with a folding chair by Lloyd Carr in the middle of it and it wouldn’t have seemed out of place.
–Sean O’Keefe, chancellor of LSU, looks like a man who bathes in Domaine du Puys and craps solid bars of platinum. Being nicknamed “Pappy” or “Red” and owning several islands devoted solely to his pleasure would NOT surprise us.
UPDATE: CBS and EDSBS, together again for the first time:
Your entire lives have been building to this moment; you just didn’t know it.
Swindle: Verne’s the nicest man you’ll ever meet. Danielson, on the other hand, stabbed us with the sharpened end of a broom handle on the way out. We kid! He was down ton the field doing his job when we were chatting with Verne.
Oh, and stop by and read the liveblog from the Championship Game over at the SN. It’s fact-tastic!
Update: we’re going to do a story on Erik Ainge maturing as a quarterback for tomorrow. We think it’ll happen any day now, and when it does, whoo-whee, look out!
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Eirishis says:
Also, for the dopes (not here but elsewhere) that will continue to argue against a playoff because it will make the regular season less exciting … name the four teams for that precious “plus one”, also known as the dumbest solution ever.
Can’t do it? OK, name eight teams. Name them right now. The six conference champs (my order: OSU, LSU, USC, OU, VT, WVU) plus UGA and KU as the wildcards? What about Hawaii? What about Florida? Arizona State? What about Mizzou, who beat everyone but OU?
My point – a playoff won’t make the regular season less exciting. It will just make the post-season more exciting. (Oh, and they could keep ALL of the bowls, even the Weed Eater Bowl … but that’s a much longer post)
December 2nd, 2007 at 12:18 am
552
Mr Pelican Pants says:
The BCS Formula is easy….Dont fuckin lose games your supposed to win and there will be no controversy….dont lose at all , but play no competition and you will be on the outside looking in..(Hawaii)
I think Georgia would beat LSU..so I put Georgia based on a solid team with a solid coach who isnt going anywhere….Georgia to win MNC by 14pts….Write it down……I’m laying some serious lumber if Georgia gets to play tSOU……
December 2nd, 2007 at 12:19 am
553
Thor says:
Hey Stapler, maybe if the game against Tennessee could have been within 20 points you could get some support for your argument.
December 2nd, 2007 at 12:19 am
554
he15man says:
521 – -
They should probably also hire Meyer to COACH the game once they get there. Worked nicely last year.
December 2nd, 2007 at 12:20 am
555
Ed says:
If Poodle just did da Sanchez when Booty sucked balls against Stanford, there would be no discussion. He has nobody to blame but his own damn self.
December 2nd, 2007 at 12:20 am
556
he15man says:
519 sorry, not 521
December 2nd, 2007 at 12:21 am
557
GamecockTX says:
And Hawaii’s now down 21-0. So the whole ‘Let’s fuck shit up and put Hawaii in’ faction looks to be dwindling.
December 2nd, 2007 at 12:21 am
558
Kegger says:
If anyone’s checking, Hawaii is down by 21. In the first quarter. Looks like that wrench in the works will be gone shortly…
December 2nd, 2007 at 12:22 am
559
NewAZTiger says:
542: You forgot – win out and be the odd man out.
16 team playoff. Conference champs, 5 wild cards chosen by BCS methodology.
December 2nd, 2007 at 12:22 am
560
Sutpen says:
@ 531
If you’re going to compare their losses, then let’s do also compare the teams they’ve beaten.
Kansas’ signature victory was … beating then-ranked #24 Kansas State?
December 2nd, 2007 at 12:23 am
561
D-nice says:
Nice to see Pete Carroll not politic for his team on ESPN. He just said he’d love to play for it, but it wa pretty obvious that he doesn’t think they deserve it , so is excited about the Rose Bowl.
December 2nd, 2007 at 12:23 am
562
Sutpen says:
whoops, #539.
December 2nd, 2007 at 12:23 am
563
Doug H. says:
#537: I’m an Ohio State fan, but I can answer your question: The difference is that Georgia didn’t lose the last game of its season to the #1 team.
December 2nd, 2007 at 12:24 am
564
UConn Do It says:
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
YOUR BIG EAST CO-CHAMPIONS.
THE UNIVERSITY OF CONNECTICUT HUSKIES.*
*Had some issues vs. WVU pehaps worth noting.
December 2nd, 2007 at 12:24 am
565
maskedavenger says:
It’s good to be Pete Carroll. The man has won 1 and 1/2 already and still can reasonably see more on the horizon so why sully himself chasing a spot he knows he isn’t going to get anyways.
December 2nd, 2007 at 12:25 am
566
Albino Tornado says:
404 ed — Nebraska fans says butch up. Try playing Miami in the Orange Bowl in their heyday.
December 2nd, 2007 at 12:25 am
567
Flattop says:
If your team doesn’t make it, don’t blame the Buckeyes. Blame losses to inferior Stanford, UK, UT, Arkansas, Colorado, Texas Tech, Auburn, Appy St, LSU, BC, etc. The bottom line: DON’T LOSE TO SHITTY TEAMS!
December 2nd, 2007 at 12:25 am
568
D-nice says:
Boise State’s win over Oklahoma last year was an outlier. I know we value wins, no matter who the opponent, at some intrinsic level.
But, the constant calls for undefeated WAC, Mountain West, or MAC teams to play for the MNC is ridiculous. It really does make a difference who you play.
December 2nd, 2007 at 12:26 am
569
Ben says:
I think there are lots of good arguements for both LSU and UGA. I can’t think of many for OSU, bane of Yougstown, Acron, Kent State, Minnesota, Northwestern, and a delusional Purdue. For “quality wins” they beat turnover happy Penn State, Washington, the guys that lost to DIV II Appy State, Michigan State, and Wisconsin. Does any of the above make you think they earned a trip to the MNC?
December 2nd, 2007 at 12:27 am
570
Dawg 05 says:
I’ll let the Evan Williams speak for me: Fuck you assHATS! UGA is playing the best ball in America. Does anyone think that UGA would not be a favorite against OSU or LSU?
December 2nd, 2007 at 12:27 am
571
Jason says:
#539
Kansas’ lone loss was to Mizzou, true.
But, ask yourself this: what’s Kansas’ best win this year?
30-24 Kansas State. Or 19-11, Texas A&M. Take your pick.
Not exactly beating Florida and Auburn convincingly.
December 2nd, 2007 at 12:28 am
572
Cochese says:
MAO motherfuckers!
LSU vs. tOSU for the championship! Bo Pelini to NU!
Jake Locker = chainsaw dick to Hawai’i, Stanford beat Cal, Pitt beat West f-ing Virgina [sic], and Mizzou predictably loses to OU.
The only question is whether Bo will leave LSU before the MNC game…gawd I hope so..
December 2nd, 2007 at 12:28 am
573
Mr Pelican Pants says:
8 team playoff would work..hell this year it would be fucking awesome since it would weed out any top 5 posers….(KU,Mizzou,tOSU,WVU) pretty quick….that is where depth would come into play and the best, deepest team would win…that was Oregon and WVU problem, being able to win when your starting QB is injured…you put your whole season on one player, not the team, and that player gets put out, and so does your season…
#535
Michigan lost to tOSU…..at the end of the season where losing counts the most….Florida didnt, they won their conference and beat the shit out of tOSU,plus who would want to see tOSU beat Michigan again??
What I am seeing with the BCS is that you get penalized for losing later than losing earlier…..and thats what I think will cost LSU since it was only 2 weeks ago that they lost, and its been awhile since GA lost…True to BCS form, both LSU and Ga will find away to get screwed, Write it down….
December 2nd, 2007 at 12:29 am
574
Lars says:
At least every other year it seems like the same crap, “it’s a travesty, how can team x be promoted over team y” and then every other year there is the complaining and the gnashing of teeth and the wringing of hands and the paying off of pollsters.
Fix the system and give me a playoff. It’s not that hard: a plus one game would be OK but an 8 team playoff would be ideal.
Oh, and Huck Fawaii.
December 2nd, 2007 at 12:30 am
575
stapler says:
Everyone deserves a shot a the MNC. Sometimes, if you’re lucky, you get two. But no one, and that includes LSwho, should get three fuckin’ chances at the MNC. Put UGA in the BCS MNC. That is the only noncontroversial decision that can be made. There is a consensus among serious followers of CFB that UGA deserves a national title shot, so everyone stop arguing about the bull shit.
December 2nd, 2007 at 12:31 am
576
Duke of C-U says:
Per BCS rules, it seems as though Sugar has to consent to SEC team being chosen by the Rose… maybe the Illini make it now? I can’t see the Sugar settling for a Hawaii/Illini v. KU/MU game…
If a bowl loses a host team to the NCG, then such bowl shall select a replacement team from among the automatic-qualifying teams and the at-large teams before any other selections are made. If two bowls lose host teams to the NCG, each bowl will get a replacement pick before any other selections are made. In such case, the bowl losing the No. 1 team gets the first replacement pick, and the bowl losing the No. 2 team gets the second replacement pick. If the Rose Bowl loses both the Big Ten and Pac-10 champions to the NCG, it will receive two replacement picks.
A bowl choosing a replacement team may not select any of the following:
A.A team in the NCG;
B.The host team for another BCS Bowl;
C. When two bowls lose host teams, then the bowl losing the number one team may not select a replacement team from the same Conference as the number two team, unless the bowl losing the number two team consents.
December 2nd, 2007 at 12:32 am
577
SpartanDan says:
#492 (Duke of CU): Actually, it means Illinois is almost certainly in the Rose Bowl. OSU is moving up to the title game (probably as BCS #1), so the Rose Bowl gets first pick. And they will take a Big Ten team if available (and with the Tennessee and BC losses, UI will be eligible).
stapler: You can’t count to two?
LSU lost damn close games twice against teams which are either ranked now or close to it. Georgia got beaten soundly by one ranked team and lost another game to a 6-6 team. The quality of wins is about the same (Georgia beat Florida and Auburn by bigger margins than LSU did, but LSU also has the evisceration of VT on its resume). The only plausible argument for Georgia over LSU is when they lost, and I don’t think that deserves anywhere near as much consideration as who they lost to and who they beat.
And Hawaii isn’t headed anywhere right now, it appears. They’re getting destroyed by Washington, 21-0 at the end of the first quarter.
December 2nd, 2007 at 12:32 am
578
Harvey Wireman says:
Right now the two best teams from the two best conferences are conf champs LSU and USC.
Ohio State’s one loss season does not impress, weak conference, weaker out of conference games, Kent St, Akron and I forget the third. Are these four-year schools?
In the absence of a playoff system, USC-LSU would be the best game, by far.
December 2nd, 2007 at 12:32 am
579
Mr Pelican Pants says:
Miles and his coach speak——They are trying to pin Les down on the phone on ESPN……………….if I was him Id hang up………
December 2nd, 2007 at 12:34 am
580
TexasMike says:
As a Texas fan, reading the ongoing debate is almost as fun as watching the games. The most COMPLETE team right this moment is Oklahoma, as difficult as that is to write. It would be interesting to know who Vegas would rate as the best.
December 2nd, 2007 at 12:34 am
581
Will says:
#562
Damn, dude, I’m a UGA homer, too, but a consensus?
December 2nd, 2007 at 12:34 am
582
Mr Pelican Pants says:
#565
You are right…it would be the game that should have been back in 2003 when Okla… got in after getting slayed in their Conf championship
December 2nd, 2007 at 12:35 am
583
notthequarterback says:
556
Anybody who says “Div II Appy State” has immediately lost any and all credibility with intelligent college football fans.
557
UGA is indeed on a roll. They MIGHT stay within 3 TDs of Tennessee….which would be an improvement over the last time those two teams played.
December 2nd, 2007 at 12:35 am
584
somedawg says:
LSU lost in overtime. I guess that means that they almost won, so we should consider those losses as not as bad as UGA’s losses in regulation.
LSU also almost lost at least 3 of the games that they did win (just as much as they almost won the OT games).
UGA has won convincingly against Auburn, Florida, and Kentucky in the past 5 weeks. LSU had an insanely big break to win against Auburn, several huge breaks to win against UF, and lost to Kentucky.
LSU, USC, and OK have great cases for the MNC game, but I think UGA has as good a case as any of them.
December 2nd, 2007 at 12:36 am
585
jamiedawg says:
I think Les Miles just gave a non-denial denial…I think he may be gone to MI….he was all evasive….
December 2nd, 2007 at 12:37 am
586
CLTDawg says:
Les was just lickin’ a little ESPN sack trying to get in. Funny that the Gators & Aubies show up to discount the dawgs.
UGA will not play for the MNC because the media & ESPN don’t want the game. It will be LSU & tosu.
And as for the conference champs only can play for the MNC rule – ain’t gonna happen. If that were the case Notre Dame would never be able to play for the MNC, and we all know how much the media adores the domers.
December 2nd, 2007 at 12:38 am
587
stapler says:
LSU did not play like the #2 team in the nation today against UT. They did nothing on the field to indicate that they should jump UGA in the polls. Sorry, but that is the way it is. Put them Dawgs in the MNC!
December 2nd, 2007 at 12:38 am
588
TigerNacho says:
LSU deserves a shot. USC deserves a shot. UGA deserves a shot. WVU deserves a shot. OklaU deserves a shot.
But we…the unwashed. The dumb. The forgotten. The Fans. WE DESERVE A PLAYOFF.
I’m gonna go fix a drink and think about how guilty I’ll feel when LSU is in New Orleans beating concrete-feet tOSU in the MNC. A big drink. I’ll get over it.
December 2nd, 2007 at 12:38 am
589
SpartanDan says:
>> Sometimes, if you’re lucky, you get two. But no one, and that includes LSwho, should get three fuckin’ chances at the MNC.
Georgia already blew two chances too – or have you managed to forget the loss to the OBC and the three-touchdown smackdown at the hands of Tennessee? For that matter, so has everyone not named Kansas and Hawaii (and Hawaii’s about to blow one).
December 2nd, 2007 at 12:38 am
590
Will says:
#564
“damn close games against teams which are either ranked or close to it” sounds an awful lot like Lesspeak. Kind of like “unbeaten in regulation.”
I’m not saying Georgia is more deserving than the other two-loss teams, but I don’t think they’re less deserving either.
December 2nd, 2007 at 12:40 am
591
NoLaGator says:
Its simply a damn shame that its all coming down to ESPN commentators quibbling about who is “more deserving”. at least we wont have to listen to Kirk Douchestreet lobbying for the Big Ten this year. When it comes down to it, none of the teams in the discussion is more deserving than the other. LSU is ranked low because they lost to Arkansas and Kentucky (4-4 and 3-5 in conference respectively). UGA is ranked high, but didn’t win their conference. Kansas lost to the only “good” team they played all year. Oklahoma lost to Colorado (whom FSU killed) and Texas Tech (High School offense). Ohio State sucks (see Glendale, AZ among numerous other arguments). Va Tech got killed by LSU and choked against Matt Ryan. USC lost to Stanford (at home). Mizzou is perhaps the most deserving team of the bunch (just bear with me here). Their two loses are both to Oklahoma, and although they suffer from the same flaw as Georgia (no conf championship) and Kansas (weak schedule), they have as strong an argument as anyone mentioned above. Unfortunately, this is all academic. There will be lots of face saving, lobbying, buck-passing, and calls for change that will, in the end, amount to all sound and fury signifying nothing.
I say give the championship to the Gators because, hey, what the hell…why not?
December 2nd, 2007 at 12:41 am
592
TrojanRick says:
To #562, if UGA does not reach the MNC, and they play USC in the Rose Bowl, all hypothetical of course, do you think they would even be favored?
This season, there are no givens, and then some.
Come back tomorrow afternoon/evening and we can continue this season’s mess.
December 2nd, 2007 at 12:41 am
593
David Williams says:
Just imagine what Stafford would do to Joe Cox if the Bulldogs made it to the national championship game…there would be more than just spooning
December 2nd, 2007 at 12:41 am
594
stapler says:
LSwho has been given the number one ranking twice and they’ve proven that they can’t handle it. UGA, on the other hand, has not.
December 2nd, 2007 at 12:43 am
595
Rob G says:
How about this?
LSU beats OSU in the MNC
Georgia wins the Sugar
USC wins the Rose
That has to be the most chaotic finish, right? Can’t split a title three ways.
December 2nd, 2007 at 12:44 am
596
TigerNacho says:
Every one now – we need a Norma Jean moment.
“Playoff, playoff, playoff”
December 2nd, 2007 at 12:45 am
597
maskedavenger says:
Stapler –
I’ve been there. I remember the frustration of watching a media consensus develop for Florida over Michigan at the absolute last minute.
Eventually you will get over it.
December 2nd, 2007 at 12:45 am
598
John says:
I’m more pissed off than before that Tennessee beat Kentucky because Georgia vs. LSU would have solved at least some of the problem.
I’m one of the few people who believes that Oklahoma now deserves the second slot. LSU hasn’t had a dominant 60-minute performance against a decent team since September and I’m disqualifying Kansas and Georgia because they didn’t win their conference.
December 2nd, 2007 at 12:46 am
599
Mr Pelican Pants says:
Welll its an appropriate ending before bowl season to a fucked up season….I guess if you start out ranked high and win all your patsy games, you dont drop far enought…this is why we hate preseason rankings….we are glaring in tOSU general direction…..let the coaches decide the real game, not the computers….
December 2nd, 2007 at 12:47 am
600
hunglikehussain says:
XON, where did you come from with all this rationality? Every body take a deep breath and listen to this man.
December 2nd, 2007 at 12:47 am