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OPEN THREAD (OF THE DAMNED)

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Swindle reports from the SEC Championship press box that Stewart Mandel is a Dapper Dan man. Best of luck to him in his fisticuffs, and to all of you in your end of season drankin' and gallivantin'.

Swindle: Much thanks to Holly for the open thread opening. We were busy watching Les Miles nutslap ESPN two hours before the biggest game of the year. What happened in that press conference, and what's allegedly happening in a fitting love triangle to end the Time of Troubles that this season's been:

--First, the number we've gotten on LSU's counter-offer to Miles is $3.45 million. Michigan's not even in the same fairway as that offer at ~2.5 million a year.

--The media's busy parsing the hell out of Miles' verbiage like he's a diplomat making a speech at the WTO. They shouldn't--Miles came out with the body posture of a wrestler addressing the crowd and said ESPN was full of shit. That's it. Tightly wound, school-of-Woody-Hayes tempermental PR posturing, pure and simple. He could have been brained with a folding chair by Lloyd Carr in the middle of it and it wouldn't have seemed out of place.

--Sean O'Keefe, chancellor of LSU, looks like a man who bathes in Domaine du Puys and craps solid bars of platinum. Being nicknamed "Pappy" or "Red" and owning several islands devoted solely to his pleasure would NOT surprise us.

UPDATE: CBS and EDSBS, together again for the first time:

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Your entire lives have been building to this moment; you just didn't know it.

Swindle: Verne's the nicest man you'll ever meet. Danielson, on the other hand, stabbed us with the sharpened end of a broom handle on the way out. We kid! He was down ton the field doing his job when we were chatting with Verne.

Oh, and stop by and read the liveblog from the Championship Game over at the SN. It's fact-tastic!

Update: we're going to do a story on Erik Ainge maturing as a quarterback for tomorrow. We think it'll happen any day now, and when it does, whoo-whee, look out!

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Nice fucking reporting, ESPN.

Go Vols

by etsuVol on Dec 1, 2007 1:19 PM EST reply actions  

Well, this DOES put a damper on our signage. Thanks a fuckin’ lot, WWL.

by Holly on Dec 1, 2007 1:21 PM EST reply actions  

Herbie jumped the gun because he was salivating at the thought of his beloved Buckeyes winning the next five matchups against UM due to Les Miles brain farts.

by Signal to Noise on Dec 1, 2007 1:21 PM EST reply actions  

Well I have solved the mystery…Miles will stay at LSU, and HIS HAT will go and coach at Michigan….the only way to appease both fan bases….he will announce this shortly…

by Mr Pelican Pants on Dec 1, 2007 1:22 PM EST reply actions  

Miles press conference at 1:45P. Makes no sense to have a press conference if you’re not going to stay.

by Brandon Lang on Dec 1, 2007 1:24 PM EST reply actions  

What a freekin mess…..I love this car wreck we call ther 2007 cfb season

by jake steely on Dec 1, 2007 1:24 PM EST reply actions  

Given that we live in a democratic country based on compromise, can’t we just vote Miles to be sent to Michigan State College, in Baton Arbor…and be done with it?

by Stagecoach67 on Dec 1, 2007 1:25 PM EST reply actions  

I am telling you, the little alien that lives inside his hat that tells him all the crazy shit to do is going to fly that Hat straight to Michigan….its a done deal, and his body will remain at LSU…

by Mr Pelican Pants on Dec 1, 2007 1:30 PM EST reply actions  

I wonder if anybody has told Tenuta he can put his winter mucklucks away.

by Stagecoach67 on Dec 1, 2007 1:31 PM EST reply actions  

If Miles stays, he simply confirms that he is a complete and total moron. LSU will never love Les Miles.

by RIP Logan Young on Dec 1, 2007 1:34 PM EST reply actions  

Orson,
Are those guys in the picture wearing Guess? jeans from 1985? They are kinda high waisted….looks like some sorta of gay, Magnum PI mustached, bizarre kung fu school that teaches the first punch go directly to the orbital socket……

by Mr Pelican Pants on Dec 1, 2007 1:35 PM EST reply actions  

Is the 1:45 PC confirmed or rumor?

by RIP Logan Young on Dec 1, 2007 1:35 PM EST reply actions  

1:45 PC is confirmed, best as I can tell.

Does this mean that Tenuta is joining Miles in Baton Rouge to replace Pelini?

by Year2-Dave on Dec 1, 2007 1:38 PM EST reply actions  

confirmed rumor…..

by CLTDawg on Dec 1, 2007 1:39 PM EST reply actions  

It appears nobody wants the Michigan job. Can they bring Gary Moeller back?

by Matt on Dec 1, 2007 1:41 PM EST reply actions  

In the name of all that is Holy – no Tenuta to LSU scenario. I do not want to have to face that D with those players for the next 2 years. Let him stay at the North Ave. Trade School where he can play hellacious D with manageable talent.

chainsaw indeed – if that happens…….

by CLTDawg on Dec 1, 2007 1:42 PM EST reply actions  

Damn, that 10 minutes of Tenuta was the most football excitement I had felt this year.

Its going to be an interesting couple of weeks up here in the Wolverine state. Most of us had mentally settled on Miles being hired.

Now? No idea.

by maskedavenger on Dec 1, 2007 1:43 PM EST reply actions  

I always thought Mandel was more of a Fop user myself.

by El Hombre on Dec 1, 2007 1:45 PM EST reply actions  

Tenuta claims he’s not talked to Miles and doesn’t know what’s going on:

http://www.ajc.com/gatech/content/sports/gatech/stories/2007/12/01/techreport_1202.html

Whew, crisis averted.

by Year2-Dave on Dec 1, 2007 1:48 PM EST reply actions  

16 -

Based on what?

18 -

It’s Christmas 24 days early over here. I’d crack a beer in celebration if I could see straight.. Instead, I’m going to tip back my NyQuil for an extra gulp for this tremendous news.

by notthequarterback on Dec 1, 2007 1:50 PM EST reply actions  

This is actually great news for Michigan. There isn’t a viable “Michigan Man” out there—so we can finally go and hire someone from outside the program.

Brian Kelly’s coming to town. The only somewhat viable guy I’d rather have is Schiano.

by Zone Left on Dec 1, 2007 1:50 PM EST reply actions  

LLlloyd coming outta retirement to announce he will be interim coach…if Osborn can do it, dammit, LLLoyd can…….nobody gives the Big M the bidness and gets away with it…..he drew a line in the sand with Miles..
“Either your in, or your out….make an assessment!!”

by Mr Pelican Pants on Dec 1, 2007 1:53 PM EST reply actions  

Plus the Kirk Herbstriets Ohio State (NEVER GRADUATE) ol’ one-two punch of having the balls to come out and prematurly eject Miles from LSU to Michigan, then back again, is really really funny….

by Mr Pelican Pants on Dec 1, 2007 1:55 PM EST reply actions  

Let’s see… ACC title game, Army-Navy blowout, MAC title game…

Yeah, I’ll be watching soccer for another hour or two.

by Boston Frog on Dec 1, 2007 1:55 PM EST reply actions  

What the fuck was that? It sure wasn’t I have agreed to terms with LSU.

Is this really over?

by maskedavenger on Dec 1, 2007 2:00 PM EST reply actions  

What a joke that ACC title game is. I think there are more emptys than people. How that game is not here in Charlotte amazes me. I know they thought FSU & Miami would be mainstays, but still. Charlotte is the heart of ACC Country(?) – if there is such a place…..

by CLTDawg on Dec 1, 2007 2:01 PM EST reply actions  

based on Miles and Ferentz, and who ever else turns down the job next.

by Matt on Dec 1, 2007 2:01 PM EST reply actions  

Turn on ESPN right now if you want to see Miles’ press conference – it’s coming after this commercial break.

by Year2-Dave on Dec 1, 2007 2:02 PM EST reply actions  

Uh, that wasn’t exactly a denial. Clearly, LSU is just trying to hold their shit together until the game is over.

by RIP Logan Young on Dec 1, 2007 2:04 PM EST reply actions  

ACC title game is making me sleepy…

Hope the whole thing teaches the NATS fans a valuable lesson: the only way you’re keeping Tenuta is if you give him the HC job. B-level jobs with no HC but a top-level DC don’t keep said DC…particularly when interviewing other DCs for the vacant HC job.

Tenuta at LSU would worry me a bit…but it’d be more or less a less disciplined version of Saban’s D there, and the Dawgs were ok dismantling that in 2004…

by Will on Dec 1, 2007 2:05 PM EST reply actions  

Is Ron English still a candidate?

If not, they should hire Mike Hart. Because, he can carry the team.

Seriously.

by Boro'd Husker on Dec 1, 2007 2:06 PM EST reply actions  

I just saw Miles’ comments in the presser.

I think there’s a good chance he’s retarded.

by Gurn on Dec 1, 2007 2:07 PM EST reply actions  

He said “I am the coach at LSU; I plan on being the coach at LSU.” He sounded very angry that he had to address Herbie’s report this morning with his team, but didn’t say “I am absolutely not going anywhere and I signed an extension this morning,” so conspiracy theorists, run wild.

by Year2-Dave on Dec 1, 2007 2:07 PM EST reply actions  

Les strikes me as the type of person that’d sign with an “X”…mainly because he never learned to print

by Will on Dec 1, 2007 2:11 PM EST reply actions  

yeah, he plans on being the coach at LSU – for today at least…….

by CLTDawg on Dec 1, 2007 2:12 PM EST reply actions  

Ron Jeremy is available.

by drogue on Dec 1, 2007 2:13 PM EST reply actions  

34

As an Alabama fan, Dave, trust me — he’s gone.

“I am the coach at LSU.” OK.

“I will be the coach at LSU.” Yes — for about three more days.

“I have no interest in talking to anybody else.” I do, however, have interest in getting the hell out of the God-forsaken town of Baton Rouge and returning to my alma mater, Michigan.

Never used the words “next year.” Never used the word “Michigan.”

Believe what you want, but I’m telling you — this is a desperate attempt to hold the team together for a championship game. He’s as good as gone.

by RIP Logan Young on Dec 1, 2007 2:15 PM EST reply actions  

@ 37

…..speaking of guys with balls – among other impressive attributes

by CLTDawg on Dec 1, 2007 2:15 PM EST reply actions  

Here is the transcript of Les Miles press conference, and yes, he may be mildly retarded…
http://sportscrack.blogspot.com/2007/12/les-miles-press-conference-miles-there.html#links

by Matt on Dec 1, 2007 2:16 PM EST reply actions  

28 -

Neither Ferentz nor Miles have publicly been offered the job; it’s all rumors, speculation and innuendo.

by notthequarterback on Dec 1, 2007 2:17 PM EST reply actions  

Of course, it is possible that someone from UT paid one of Herbie’s “sources” to plant this story the morning of the SEC Championship Game. Now that’s a conspiracy theory.

by RIP Logan Young on Dec 1, 2007 2:17 PM EST reply actions  

Or, the conspiracy theory could be that someone at Michigan wanted to make a Buckeye (Herbstreit) look bad on national TV.

by Year2-Dave on Dec 1, 2007 2:22 PM EST reply actions  

I posted this in the “Miles to Michigan” tread:

I wish some of these favored candidates for the big jobs would reject the school’s offer.

The panic, fumbling, PR bullshit, and distress that comes with second (or third or fourth) attempts to secure a head coach is much more fun and interesting to watch.

And, sometimes, the results are better than expected. See Carroll, Pete.

Or not. See Weis, Charlie.

Looks like I got my wish.

by D-nice on Dec 1, 2007 2:23 PM EST reply actions  

ACC game just roused me from slumber…

by Will on Dec 1, 2007 2:23 PM EST reply actions  

Things I didn’t know before today: when you block an extra point try and return it to the house, it’s only worth two points.

Seems like a waste of rushing 90+ yards on the part of the defensive player.

by Signal to Noise on Dec 1, 2007 2:24 PM EST reply actions  

I agree with you guys who say that was a non-denial denial. He had no choice going into this game to do that, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he bolts. The anger was a nice touch (see also, “I did not have sex with that woman”), but he didn’t exactly say he’d be there forever.

“I am the coach at LSU. I will be the coach at LSU (until 7:30P tonight)”

Nice to see Herbstreit with egg on his face, but I think Miles pulls a Saban here. I thought I heard Rece Davis mumble something about an extension, but it didn’t sound too convincing.

by Brandon Lang on Dec 1, 2007 2:24 PM EST reply actions  

Wow…
Quoth the Hat:
“There will be no questions for me; I represent me in this issue, please ask me after. I’m busy. Thank you very much, and have a great day.”

No “mildly” about it…

Clearly Ozmodiar doesn’t give him speaking lessons…

by Will on Dec 1, 2007 2:25 PM EST reply actions  

#46

How much would you think it would be worth?

That 2 point rule is relatively new. It used to just be “no good”.

by Brandon Lang on Dec 1, 2007 2:26 PM EST reply actions  

  1. - for whatever reason (conditioning, most likely), I was thinking it should be six. Whatever. Two is better than nothing, and VT got the ball anyway, so it might as well be like a safety.

by Signal to Noise on Dec 1, 2007 2:28 PM EST reply actions  

Sean O’Keefe was once Secretary of the Navy. Good man. Really.

Somebody forgot to tell BC that VT was going to roll all over them in the ACCCG.

by Brandon Lang on Dec 1, 2007 2:30 PM EST reply actions  

other folks remember Ryan was ineffective against VT in the midst of rain and mud…and it is neither rainy nor muddy in JAX today.

by Will on Dec 1, 2007 2:32 PM EST reply actions  

Miles has apparently not signed the “agreement” that was reached between LSU and him.

He’s gone.

And with Bo Pelini is coming back to Nebraska, LSU might be a little worried about next year.

by Cochese on Dec 1, 2007 2:34 PM EST reply actions  

Herbie just called to tell me that the new word is Chan Gailey to Michigan. “Write it down,” he said.

So now it is written, and it sorta fits, no?

by Kenny on Dec 1, 2007 2:40 PM EST reply actions  

I don’t think Jacksonville is going to be able to use the weather as an excuse for today’s sorry attendance.

by John on Dec 1, 2007 2:45 PM EST reply actions  

hey – i personally know sean o’keefe. he’s a really nice guy.

but then again, where do i know him from? working at a private country club in upstate new york, where he used to live. so i guess pappy it is.

by benjamminsam on Dec 1, 2007 2:46 PM EST reply actions  

In other news…is it me, or is Orson starting to do real reporting now? He was at the press conference!! Crap, next thing you know, he’s going to get a real interview or something… I don’t know whether to be pleased for him or terrified for the rest of us…

by baconboy on Dec 1, 2007 2:46 PM EST reply actions  

Whether Miles goes or stays, I’m going on the record right now: LSU is fucked in the SECCG. They looked distracted as hell against Arkansas, and whatever was distracting them has only gotten worse over the past week.

What I can’t understand is why LSU gave Michigan permission to talk to Miles before the championship game. They already know that focus is not exactly Les’s strong suit — why give him any more opportunity to fuck the conference title up?

by Doug on Dec 1, 2007 2:49 PM EST reply actions  

No offense to SEC country, you’ve had some valid criticisms of ESPN/ABC being more of a Big 10 network that I’ll agree with,

but what was with CBS crew saying “this is Michigan’s fault.” Michigan did not leak anything. They have had no contact with Miles or his agent. The AD is waiting until Monday to place a phone call, per request of LSU’s AD. CBS was saying “why did Michigan even announce the sought permission.” They did not, LSU announced that Bill Martin asked permission.

This is like the breakup of a relationship where someone is denying cheating, and after they breakup, they suggest friends with benefits while they work on trusting the other person for snooping, and a month later the other person finds out the cheating was validated.

by Jonsi on Dec 1, 2007 2:49 PM EST reply actions  

I love how ABC/ESPN is cutting out the part where he called them out in the halftime report. Miles looked ready to cut somebody.

by Signal to Noise on Dec 1, 2007 2:50 PM EST reply actions  

I’m not taking the Alabama job.

by Nick Saban on Dec 1, 2007 2:51 PM EST reply actions  

Will, yeah, UGA fared realllllll well against that Saban defense in 2003 as well. Twice. Go get your shine box suckah.

by LSUJoshua on Dec 1, 2007 2:51 PM EST reply actions  

I will be keeping score on whether Miles is normal or retarded…so far:

Normal=0

Retarded=5

by Mr Pelican Pants on Dec 1, 2007 2:51 PM EST reply actions  

ESPNNews is going over the presser like the fucking Zapruder film. They are exhibiting very Warren Commission-like damage control techniques in an attempt to save some credibility on this story.

by Cool Hand Mike on Dec 1, 2007 2:52 PM EST reply actions  

Pelican, you should also keep track of this score:

Miles: unedefeated against Bama

LSU: five in a row over the Tahd.

by LSUJoshua on Dec 1, 2007 2:53 PM EST reply actions  

61 -

Is “batshit crazy” a choice? If not, I vote for retarded.

by notthequarterback on Dec 1, 2007 2:54 PM EST reply actions  

  1. - nice. “Parsing” does not even come close to describing what they are doing right now.

It’s perfectly okay if we speculate in blog forums about this, but replicating this on national TV is a problem.

by Signal to Noise on Dec 1, 2007 2:55 PM EST reply actions  

Sticking with my prediction a couple of weeks ago: Miles to Michigan. Jack Del Rio to LSU.

Got that from a Man Who Knows These Things. (He gave me Holtz to South Carolina a week before Holtz was doing his halftime gig on CBS and denying that he was going anywhere, so I am listening.)

by Brandon Lang on Dec 1, 2007 2:56 PM EST reply actions  

#60
Nick Saban: Aight, I said, no more shines. Maybe you didn’t hear about it, aight,you’ve been away a long time. They didn’t go down there and tell you. I don’t shine shoes anymore.

LSUJoshua: Relax, will ya? Ya flip right out, what’s got into you? I’m breaking your balls a little bit, that’s all. I’m only kidding with ya…
 
LSUJoshua: [takes a drink] Now go home and get your fuckin’ shinebox.

Nick Saban: Mother fuckin’ mutt! You, you fucking piece of shit! You mother fuck… Fuck! Keep that motherfucker here, keep him here! AIGHT!!

by Mr Pelican Pants on Dec 1, 2007 2:57 PM EST reply actions  

LSUJoshua…I’m sure 2003 is special for ya, beating up on UGA’s weakest Oline in Richt’s tenure and all…but last I checked you haven’t come within a few TDs of UGA since.

Also, speaking of retarded, Craig James just uttered the phrase “cobweb of worms”…

by Will on Dec 1, 2007 2:59 PM EST reply actions  

Is there a censor button? I have a post and its being moderated for all the f-bombs? WTF

by Mr Pelican Pants on Dec 1, 2007 2:59 PM EST reply actions  

I’m tellin ya’ll, Deep Blue is the next coach at Michigan. He can evaluate over 200 million positions per second and search to a depth of 40 ply. You pions cannot even comprehend how his Grunfeld Defence will change the way college football is played. Miles and Tenuta ain’t got shit on Deep Blue. And what 17 high school senior wouldn’t want to play for the supercomputer who defeated Garry Kasparov?

by Dawg 05 on Dec 1, 2007 3:07 PM EST reply actions  

I’ve heard the Del Rio to LSU rumors. I don’t buy it.

He’s coaching a playoff team in a very competitive division.

Is there some connection to LSU, or is he just an attractive, “name” candidate?

by Gurn on Dec 1, 2007 3:08 PM EST reply actions  

Good God, that was the worst throwoff ever at the ACC Championship halftime. I’m disgusted.

What, are there like 10,000 people there?

by Zone Left on Dec 1, 2007 3:09 PM EST reply actions  

Wow….we call these coaching changes the “Saban Effect”…..j/k….as an delusional Alabama fan and delusional pseudo-journalist I can say there is never a dull moment in the SEC, on the field or off the field, and it usually involves Les Miles and his shennanigans, hijinks, and whacky tomfoolery….
We will miss you Les…first Evel Knievel, a true daredevil off the field, and now Les Miles….a daredevil on the field with his teams future…Just like Evel’s pelvis, eventually your luck runs out and you hit the pavement going 80mph from a 2 story drop……

by Mr Pelican Pants on Dec 1, 2007 3:11 PM EST reply actions  

The real question: is Tubs going to address the media this weekend after AU tried to call his bluff last night?

by RIP Logan Young on Dec 1, 2007 3:14 PM EST reply actions  

Jack Del Rio looks a lot like Shooter McGavin.

And “over 200 million positions a minute” might allow Deep Blue to categorize all of Ron Jeremy’s movies in only two weeks…

by Will on Dec 1, 2007 3:15 PM EST reply actions  

Damn this ACC championship game just proves why it is so important to have a conference championship game and why the Big Ten sucks for not having one.

I mean really, I would give anything to see someone from Big Ten country try to throw a football through a Dr. Pepper bottle….that shit is so exciting.

But I only want a CCG if we are guaranteed that 8 out of 10 games will be rematches…because there is nothing as exciting as watching a rematch of two teams on a neutral location with 20K fans in attendance. Damn, we’ve got to get one of these in our conference.

by The Artist Formerly Known as tOSUBuckeyes on Dec 1, 2007 3:19 PM EST reply actions  

Hey LSU Josh,

where were you for hours, days, weeks after you got outcoached by Houston Nutt, which nobody alive thought was possible?

grow some balls, since you have been defending crazy, almost retarded, Les Miles after the Alabama and Auburn games.

you were on here, post after post, talking about how LSU owned Alabama and Florida.

yeah, but when it mattered, you lost again, like you always will as long as Les Miles is the coach at LSU.

get your head out of your ass, and at least wear a polo to football games in the future. t-shirts are for my 10 year old nephew.

by Coop on Dec 1, 2007 3:21 PM EST reply actions  

I wanttago to meatchicken!

by coach O on Dec 1, 2007 3:21 PM EST reply actions  

College coaches are becoming as dispensable as NFL coaches, the only problem is that the NFL has a designated “dead” period between the end of the playoffs and the the draft. College doesn’t have that “dead” period in which schools can conduct their business…the bowls, conference championships, recruiting, and seasons ending at different times all get in the way, hence the reason for everything to be so secretive. Sadly, I only see it getting worse and worse each year.

by The Artist Formerly Known as tOSUBuckeyes on Dec 1, 2007 3:26 PM EST reply actions  

#75
I just wonder if your “never a dull moment” conference is eroding away the fabric of college football. You basically have 1 slime ball agent bleeding the entire SEC…he’s probably the one behind the scenes telling the coaches to always bring up how tough the SEC is and how fast the athletes are. I mean if all you ever hear from every coach is how tough this conference is and how fast it is, I guess you start to believe it.

First it was your SEC championship game (nothing more than a new revenue stream for the SEC), then the BCS, and now the three ringed circus that is the coaching carousel in the SEC.

by The Artist Formerly Known as tOSUBuckeyes on Dec 1, 2007 3:34 PM EST reply actions  

Sean O’Keefe? He’s got a freaking asteroid named after him, so dont mess with him. Oh, and his Secretary of the Navy photo belongs in the Stache HoF
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_O’Keefe

by NoVaDamer on Dec 1, 2007 3:34 PM EST reply actions  

  1. - now that is one hell of a whup broom right there on Mr. O’Keefe.

(link to pic here)

by Signal to Noise on Dec 1, 2007 3:41 PM EST reply actions  

#82,

Not to beat a dead horse, but the SEC looked pretty tough and fast in Glendale last year. Just saying.

Also, for whatever it’s worth, it should be noted that about the only people who have spoken out on the record in favor of a college football playoff system are SEC people (Tubberville, Spurrier, Meyer, as well as UF’s president Bernie Machen off the top of my head).

by Chas on Dec 1, 2007 3:42 PM EST reply actions  

LSUJoshua……

Please. You beat us by 7 at your house on a lucky pass against a blown coverage after our all time leading scorer FG kicker inexplicably missed 3 FG. Wasn’t our day. Then, granted, you pantsed us in the SECCG.

However, we absolutely BEAT you asses in ‘04 & – to prove it wasn’t a fluke – again in the ’05 SECCG. So I think we have you one upped there, sparky.

by CLTDawg on Dec 1, 2007 3:42 PM EST reply actions  

Can I not wait until (or somewhat unlikely if) GameDay returns to LSU. That shit is going to be fantastic. If the corndog eaters are have as good a memory as the Auburn fans they will never let Herbie forget this one.

by PAGator on Dec 1, 2007 3:45 PM EST reply actions  

Les Miles is so dumb he thought the cows parachuting on the field was real.

by Annapolis Doug on Dec 1, 2007 3:46 PM EST reply actions  

Les Miles is a fuck. Who cares?

by The Humanitarian on Dec 1, 2007 3:46 PM EST reply actions  

LSU Joshua is like the rich man’s version of South Carolina Gamecock delusion.

Whereas South Carolina fans believe they are relevant in the SEC and will “rise up” to be competitive in the East, Joshy believes that LSU dominates every team they play, especially this season, and that Miles’ balls out crazy calls were actually coaching genius.

Except he really does not have an answer for Kentucky or Arkansas and was nowhere to be found after both teams defeated the greatest team in college football history.

Don’t believe me? Just ask him.

Myself, I always show up after Clemson giftwraps another game for whomever, be it Tech, BC, etc.

Fortunately for me, nobody on here really cares what happens in the ACC.

by Coop on Dec 1, 2007 3:49 PM EST reply actions  

Not true, there are 28,000 people in Jaxville who care about the ACC

by Annapolis Doug on Dec 1, 2007 3:49 PM EST reply actions  

This SEC championship game sucks…the Tigers are a mess, I hate the vols and it looks like GA is playing stupid VA tech in the Orange bowl ’cause some assholes want a PAC-10 and Big 10 Rose bowl and I am sick of this stupid Dr. Pepper Amos & Andy commerical and I hate the end of the season when all the basketball shit is on….bad day

by jamiedawg on Dec 1, 2007 4:02 PM EST reply actions  

Vols appear to have a majority of the crowd as is typical for the East team.

by John on Dec 1, 2007 4:04 PM EST reply actions  

Damn Vols have 70,000 people there and LSU 15,000…LSU will still be louder….

by Annapolis Doug on Dec 1, 2007 4:04 PM EST reply actions  

Tennessee rushes out onto the field jumping around like there are naked, oiled-up Penthouse Pets waiting for them, LSU wanders in like they got lost on their way to Chik-Fil-A.

If I’m a Tiger fan, I do not like this.

by Doug on Dec 1, 2007 4:04 PM EST reply actions  

There is something delicious about hearing tosuBuckeye bitch and moan about media bias in favor of the SEC. How many times did the AP absolutely cornhole SEC teams in the pre-BCS era, as there were virtually no southern AP voters?

I love it.

by RIP Logan Young on Dec 1, 2007 4:07 PM EST reply actions  

I HAVE CATEGORIZED YOUR SEC COACHING CAROUSEL. NUTT TO UM. TUBBERVILLE TO ARK. FULMER TO AUB. GAILEY TO UT. MY HIGHER LEVEL PROJECTIONS ARE ACCURATE TO THE 12TH PLY. DO YOU WANT TO PLAY CHESS?

by Deep Blue on Dec 1, 2007 4:09 PM EST reply actions  

meanwhile, in nebraska, they are having wet and hard BOGASMS.

http://www.huskerboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=23353

by rudy (not the guy from notre dame) on Dec 1, 2007 4:10 PM EST reply actions  

ABC just left the tied ACC Championship game to switch to a replay of last week’s Skins Game.

by Annapolis Doug on Dec 1, 2007 4:10 PM EST reply actions  

Just turned over to CBS. Who vomited on my TV screen?

This is going to be a long 4 hours visually.

by Kanu on Dec 1, 2007 4:11 PM EST reply actions  

is it just me, or does the lead official for the SECCG look like he is hopped up on acid and HGH?

by Wes on Dec 1, 2007 4:12 PM EST reply actions  

Did someone dye Tennessee’s uniforms in a giant bucket of piss?

by Dawg 05 on Dec 1, 2007 4:12 PM EST reply actions  

God whose awful idea was it to put Tennessee in Pumpkin/ orange vodka puke jersey’s and pants. This is giving me a migraine.

by Wes on Dec 1, 2007 4:13 PM EST reply actions  

Fulmer looks like that big peach ower that sits on I-85.

by Annapolis Doug on Dec 1, 2007 4:14 PM EST reply actions  

Interesting also that the Tennessee team has blatantly violated the first rule of fashion for their fanbase: namely, if you are going to wear an orange shirt and orange shorts/pants, they must be different shades of orange. Bizarre.

by Kanu on Dec 1, 2007 4:14 PM EST reply actions  

Fulmer looks like that big peach tower that sits on I-85.

by Annapolis Doug on Dec 1, 2007 4:15 PM EST reply actions  

Touchdown, Vols. So far the “orange-out” seems to be working.

by Doug on Dec 1, 2007 4:16 PM EST reply actions  

Don’t forget the raging hard-on they had for the Big Ten in general and tOSU specifically last year when they went undefeated and butchered Florida for the national championship.

by Steve on Dec 1, 2007 4:17 PM EST reply actions  

LSU looks completely deflated…and what is up with the all-orange unis? I cannot stand hearing “Rocky Top” all damn afternoon….

by jamiedawg on Dec 1, 2007 4:17 PM EST reply actions  

Wes —

His hands were definitely shaking on that penalty call on the kickoff. He’s either in the early stages of Parkinson’s, hungover or hopped-up.

by Gurn on Dec 1, 2007 4:18 PM EST reply actions  

Dawg 05.

No, that’s Georgia Tech who marinate their jerseys in hot steaming piss.

by Kanu on Dec 1, 2007 4:18 PM EST reply actions  

Les Miles can suck my balls. In three hours I will no longer be able to make fun of the Vols for not having won an SEC title in nearly a decade, and it’ll be all his fault.

by Doug on Dec 1, 2007 4:19 PM EST reply actions  

The number 47 is everywhere.

by Annapolis Doug on Dec 1, 2007 4:21 PM EST reply actions  

Gurn-

That dude is freaking me out. I think the play clock problems are all in his head, and the orange uniforms are fucking with his acid high.

by Wes on Dec 1, 2007 4:21 PM EST reply actions  

BC is driving to tie the score with under 3 minues to go….

by Annapolis Doug on Dec 1, 2007 4:23 PM EST reply actions  

I understand Hester opens beer bottles by headbutting them.

by DS on Dec 1, 2007 4:25 PM EST reply actions  

I’ll tune into the SEC CCG sometime in the 4th quarter so I can observe Les “orange flag on my bike” Miles’ brilliance.

by vegas_buckeye on Dec 1, 2007 4:27 PM EST reply actions  

Matt Ryan picked on 4th-and-4 in the ACCCG. Hokies to the Orange Bowl.

by Doug on Dec 1, 2007 4:27 PM EST reply actions  

#82

Are you clueless? "Eroding the fabric of college football?’ What a bunch of sappy nonsence. Like it or not, the SEC is the heart of college football. The unpredictability, the ensuing WTF-ness, my god, that is what is so incrediably exciting about cf. Granted, the SEC is full of tards, so is the big ten. But big ten tards are quiet and slow and shovel snow. The southern tard is drunk, prays to pagan gods to curry favor for their team. Has 5 ways with 2 girls, 2 guys, the mascot and a skeleton of australopithecus to celebrate the fricken 3 OT win and then goes to baptism mass or service or whatever for show on sunday. And the cherry on top, the BCS. Together, college football is the most unique and interesting sport we have in these united states. (vol orange is soo gay btw)

viva SEC
viva BCS
viva non-lameness and no playoff

by meatybob on Dec 1, 2007 4:28 PM EST reply actions  

Are there any LSU fans in the Ga Dome? All I see is a sea of orange….

by jamiedawg on Dec 1, 2007 4:29 PM EST reply actions  

There’s no Big 10 Championship games every year because Ohio State-Michigan would have to play each other 2 weeks in a row every year.

Too many people would hang themselves if that happened.

by Annapolis Doug on Dec 1, 2007 4:30 PM EST reply actions  

Image for your head: Phat Phil charging the field in one of those piss uniforms.

by Dawg 05 on Dec 1, 2007 4:30 PM EST reply actions  

#82

Dude, are you clueless? "Eroding the fabric of college football?’ What a bunch of sappy nonsence. Like it or not, the SEC is the heart of college football. The unpredictability, the ensuing WTF-ness, my god, that is what is so incrediably exciting about cf. Granted, the SEC is full of tards, so is the big ten. But big ten tards are quiet and slow and shovel snow. The southern tard is drunk, prays to pagan gods to curry favor for their team. Has 5 ways with 2 girls, 2 guys, the mascot and a skeleton of australopithecus to celebrate the fricken 3 OT win and then goes to baptism mass or service or whatever for show on sunday. And the cherry on top, the BCS. Together, college football is the most unique and interesting sport we have in these united states. (vol orange is soo gay btw)

viva SEC
viva BCS
viva non-lameness and no playoff

by meatybob on Dec 1, 2007 4:30 PM EST reply actions  

my bad for earlier duplicate

by meatybob on Dec 1, 2007 4:31 PM EST reply actions  

Wow LSU looks mighty flat….and Tenn looks like Syracuse but only faster

by Mr Pelican Pants on Dec 1, 2007 4:33 PM EST reply actions  

virginia tech dont fuck me and my gambling day…

by Wes on Dec 1, 2007 4:33 PM EST reply actions  

No worries, meaty, it was worth reading twice.

by wolftiger on Dec 1, 2007 4:35 PM EST reply actions  

How much money would you pony up to see Phat Phil in an Puke Orange Unitard with tear away pants?
Good news is, just in case anyone happens to be hunting in there, there will be no hunting accidents….with all that orange, that is the safest workplace in America right now

by Mr Pelican Pants on Dec 1, 2007 4:39 PM EST reply actions  

If Hester and Tebow ran into each other at full speed, what would happen?

Sublimation?

by Annapolis Doug on Dec 1, 2007 4:40 PM EST reply actions  

Fun Fact: The head SEC official in the championship game is actually Jennifer Wilbanks’ (the runaway bride’s) brother.

by Charles on Dec 1, 2007 4:41 PM EST reply actions  

129 –
Reversal of Earth’s rotation

by wolftiger on Dec 1, 2007 4:42 PM EST reply actions  

Les Miles to the Miami Dolphins…it only makes sense in the most perverse football/coaching changes season I have ever seen……

by Mr Pelican Pants on Dec 1, 2007 4:44 PM EST reply actions  

By the way, Tennessee’s equipment manager asked me to inform y’all that those monochrome unis aren’t “orange,” they’re “Erotic Tangerine.”

by Doug on Dec 1, 2007 4:45 PM EST reply actions  

If Tenn plays Oregon in HDTV, I would take the same acid the SEC ref did and have the best 8 hours since 1992.

by Annapolis Doug on Dec 1, 2007 4:45 PM EST reply actions  

#129
Hester would disintergrate into a pile of salt….too biblical?

by Mr Pelican Pants on Dec 1, 2007 4:45 PM EST reply actions  

CBS uses the Wildcat Willie Power Towel theme going to commercials.

Gross.

by Gurn on Dec 1, 2007 4:47 PM EST reply actions  

CBS must really love Kansas St’s Power Towel song…

by Will on Dec 1, 2007 4:48 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Hester vs. Tebow
Is the game on the line? If not Tebow destroys JH. If it is, Tebow cries and Hester scores a TD.

by Will on Dec 1, 2007 4:50 PM EST reply actions  

Call me crazy, but doesnt this game look like one big advertisment for Home Depot? Doesnt Arthur Blank live in the ATL Talk about your conspiracies….free advertising by having the Tenn vols …..I thought I saw a few Tn fans with Home Depot Aprons on….

by Mr Pelican Pants on Dec 1, 2007 4:51 PM EST reply actions  

How about Tebow going at full speed against Pam Ward?

Tebow wakes up just in time to pick up his 1st Heisman.

by Annapolis Doug on Dec 1, 2007 4:52 PM EST reply actions  

Rob Reiner announcing the team is just one more reason to hate UCLA.

by Trojan Chica on Dec 1, 2007 4:53 PM EST reply actions  

I’m a big USC fan, and, yes, they are playing much better than earlier in the year.

But, any talk of them as “playing the best football in the country” right now is absolutely ridiculous. Mark May made this statment last week and the commentators for today’s game said something to that effect at the beginning of the game.

USC proceeded to go three and out, recover a fumble, and then failed to convert a 4th and 1.

by D-nice on Dec 1, 2007 4:56 PM EST reply actions  

That AT&T commercial is so stupid..no one has ever lived in Tuscaloosa and worked in NYC, LA, Austin and Berlin..

In fact no one whose lived in Tuscaloosa has ever even been to any of those places.

by Annapolis Doug on Dec 1, 2007 4:57 PM EST reply actions  

I’m still trying to suss out how the Telecoms need immunity or they’ll “go broke” yet they can afford to hire Norm McDonald AND Steve Buscemi to voice gingerbread men…

Oh, and may Ainge do his best Theisman impression today with any LSU player playing the role of LT. I hate UT.

by Will on Dec 1, 2007 5:01 PM EST reply actions  

OJ just announced the USC starting line up wearing Tenn Vols colors.

by Annapolis Doug on Dec 1, 2007 5:01 PM EST reply actions  

Gah… Ron Cherry just flagged Tennesee for giving my eyes the business

by R.D. Baker - Retired Blogger on Dec 1, 2007 5:01 PM EST reply actions  

Am I the only one out there drinking heavily?

by Annapolis Doug on Dec 1, 2007 5:03 PM EST reply actions  

143 -

Yeah, I hear ya. At least the guy should have said, “Danke, baby” with an ass smack or something Blazing Saddles-ish like that.

by meatybob on Dec 1, 2007 5:06 PM EST reply actions  

I expect Tebow would cry like a bitch.

by Gurn on Dec 1, 2007 5:07 PM EST reply actions  

Nope I’m still at work drinking heavily, just waitin on the Vicodin to kick in…..right…..about……nowwwww…now, where did I put the Nitrous from my do- it- yourself Home Dentistry course?

by Mr Pelican Pants on Dec 1, 2007 5:07 PM EST reply actions  

Surprise, Miles goes for on 4th down – again.

Going for it on 4th down is so overrated. Yeah, there’s a time and place for it, but it’s not “genius” just because you make it.

In most cases, it’s simply a roll of the dice and has nothing to do with coaching prowess. Hardly as edgy or ballsy as it’s made out to be.

by D-nice on Dec 1, 2007 5:07 PM EST reply actions  

Has there ever been a luckier team than UT?

Three wins this year by missed / made last second field goals, playing an LSU team with distractions everywhere and an unproven backup QB.

Then there was 1998, the MNC and last SECC year. BS PI call gets them by Syracuse, Sterner puts the ball on the ground in the most bizarre sequence ever, and they play FSU in the MNC led by their second (maybe third?) string QB.

Karma’s a bitch, and one day it’s coming for the Great Pumpkin.

by Darkknight on Dec 1, 2007 5:12 PM EST reply actions  

Matty Ice indeed.

I want to play those chumps in the Gator Bowl, they’re slower than we are. And that’s saying something.

by Raider Red on Dec 1, 2007 5:15 PM EST reply actions  

I just hope Missouri beats Oklahoma so the Fiesta Bowl gets the first and third pick of the at-large pool.

by R.D. Baker - Retired Blogger on Dec 1, 2007 5:16 PM EST reply actions  

And the Power Towel song rocks, even if it put K-State’s season in the toilet.

by Raider Red on Dec 1, 2007 5:16 PM EST reply actions  

Ohio State is luckier…they get 9 home games a year..their out of conference games are a joke…They lose in November to Ron Zook …They get a BS pass interference call after they lost to Miami in the NC game…

by Annapolis Doug on Dec 1, 2007 5:16 PM EST reply actions  

143

“Whose”? Think you meant “who’s” = “who has.”

Sincerely,
Tuscaloosa

by RIP Logan Young on Dec 1, 2007 5:18 PM EST reply actions  

Perriloux is getting fucking hammered.

by Orson Swindle on Dec 1, 2007 5:20 PM EST reply actions  

  1. Thanks…

I guess I should disclose I went to school in Starkville…and no one from there has been to any place bigger than Huntsville.

by Annapolis Doug on Dec 1, 2007 5:20 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah, but there are people from Huntsville who have been to the fucking moon, so that’s worth something.

by RIP Logan Young on Dec 1, 2007 5:22 PM EST reply actions  

There’s more to do on the moon than Huntsville.

by Annapolis Doug on Dec 1, 2007 5:23 PM EST reply actions  

Touche’.

by RIP Logan Young on Dec 1, 2007 5:23 PM EST reply actions  

That guy in that commercial isnt from Tuscaloosa, more like Ensley at best……

by Mr Pelican Pants on Dec 1, 2007 5:25 PM EST reply actions  

Win or lose, UCLA makes teams play “weird” and often bad.

It’s like a Top 10 and Bottom 10 college football highlights show rolled into one.

by D-nice on Dec 1, 2007 5:26 PM EST reply actions  

Washington vs Hawaii late night (I’ll be passed out by halftime of the Mizzou-OK game)…

Washington has played #1 toughest schedule this year.

Hawaii has played the worst schedule in the NCAA this year.

Should be interesting….Hawaii -14?

by Annapolis Doug on Dec 1, 2007 5:29 PM EST reply actions  

Dawg 05 — funny that you mention Deep Blue. Bill Callahan’s allegedly been sighted in Ann Arbor.

Doug — your average Tennessee fan is surprisingly unamused when you ask them exactly what shade of peach their uniforms are. It’s recommended that you only perform this maneuver when they are more likely to be unarmed, like at a neutral site game.

by Albino Tornado on Dec 1, 2007 5:29 PM EST reply actions  

I love a good mid major underdog as much as the next person… but I hope to God Washington wins tonight. Hawaii is not ready for prime time.

by R.D. Baker - Retired Blogger on Dec 1, 2007 5:31 PM EST reply actions  

Michigan should hire PJ from Nav…he can go back to treating Tressel like his whipping boy again

by GoalieLax on Dec 1, 2007 5:32 PM EST reply actions  

SEC winner to Sugar Bowl…last BCS pick goes to Sugar Bowl….which looks to be Hawaii…There’s not enough Hurricane Mix in N.O. for me to get excited about a LSU-Hawaii or Tenn- Hawaii game.

by Annapolis Doug on Dec 1, 2007 5:33 PM EST reply actions  

Why would Kay jewelers advertise romantice gifts during a football game? We are all drunk and horny for football, not exactly “commitment to a loved one” mode.

What they should advertise on Saturdays is their “One in the Pink, One in the Stink” diamond bracelet with the DP charm. For when you are fond of her freakiness.

I need to go into marketing.

by meatybob on Dec 1, 2007 5:36 PM EST reply actions  

Id have to sit on the LSU side….who’s gonna be the interim coach?

by Mr Pelican Pants on Dec 1, 2007 5:37 PM EST reply actions  

Pac 10 replay gonna screw Beavers. Unreal.

by Ed on Dec 1, 2007 5:43 PM EST reply actions  

im much more of a bowling ball grip kinda guy, 2 in the pink, one in the stink

by jake steely on Dec 1, 2007 5:46 PM EST reply actions  

Colt David is the most porn-o-riffic name in cfb this year.

Which is saying something, considering Dick, Nutt, Johnson, Sanchez, Booty, Nutt, Fagg, y mucho mucho mas.

“Cheerleader GangBang 17, Starring COLT DAVID”

by Kanu on Dec 1, 2007 5:47 PM EST reply actions  

So as of rigt now… all we know for sure is that VT’s playing in the Orange Bowl, right?

by R.D. Baker - Retired Blogger on Dec 1, 2007 5:50 PM EST reply actions  

Did Michigan hire Ron Jeremy yet?

by drogue on Dec 1, 2007 5:59 PM EST reply actions  

Wow. Orson got to meet Lundquist. Clay Travis is gonna be jealous.

Q: Do you think Verne and Orson compared, a-la Rorsharch, Tebow’s baby-batter stains on their collars?

by Gurn on Dec 1, 2007 6:00 PM EST reply actions  

Well, I just watched No Country for Old Men, Tennessee is leading the SEC Championship Game, and I’m going to a bar later. I think I might be setting my personal record for most disappointing endings in one day.

by Grimey on Dec 1, 2007 6:02 PM EST reply actions  

The only way I’m gonna get a blowjob tonight is to go to Jared.

by Annapolis Doug on Dec 1, 2007 6:05 PM EST reply actions  

Grimey:

Until that ending, I was convinced it was the Coen Brothers’ tour de force.

Big letdown.

by Gurn on Dec 1, 2007 6:06 PM EST reply actions  

#173
Dont know who said it first, but props to the guy who came up with “The Minivan” 2 up front, and 3 in the back….

by Mr Pelican Pants on Dec 1, 2007 6:10 PM EST reply actions  

Vern and Gary’s SEC man-crush is >>> than Brent Musburger’s man-crush on Jim Tressel…I’m just saying…

Vern does rock and is probably the best in the business.

Hey Swindle, any chance you can get Vern dancing to Soldier Boy or whatever the hell it was that they were getting down to at the Georgia game?

by The Artist Formerly Known as tOSUBuckeyes on Dec 1, 2007 6:11 PM EST reply actions  

the WORM!

by Herb on Dec 1, 2007 6:12 PM EST reply actions  

I have this premonition of Hester getting hit so hard his first NFL game that his head is jammed into his torso like a turtle.

by DS on Dec 1, 2007 6:19 PM EST reply actions  

I think Ron Franklin is the best in the business. Why those fuckchops at ESPN took him off the SEC prime time game is beyond me.

by Gurn on Dec 1, 2007 6:21 PM EST reply actions  

Ron Franklin is awesome

by Annapolis Doug on Dec 1, 2007 6:25 PM EST reply actions  

100 cocktails to the man who creates an animated gif of Fulmer’s reaction to that missed field goal.

by Grimey on Dec 1, 2007 6:25 PM EST reply actions  

Pelican pants — my minivan seats 7.

And to extend the disturbing imagery, how would one do a 12 or 15 passenger van? I know, goatse style.

by Albino Tornado on Dec 1, 2007 6:29 PM EST reply actions  

@187

Indeed. His arrogance is only usurped by his flatulence.

by MorningBeer on Dec 1, 2007 6:29 PM EST reply actions  

Thomas Ritter will cut your fucking head off if you eyeball him. That guy has bodies in his basement.

by Thor on Dec 1, 2007 6:31 PM EST reply actions  

168 – Nice I-AA reference.

Tracey Ham should not have beaten Furman in ’85. But, Furman got their revenge in ’89.

F U Erk Russell, yet RIP at the same time.

by Coop on Dec 1, 2007 6:33 PM EST reply actions  

Those LSU and UT idiot kickers fucking suck. It’s clutch time, assholes!

by Chris Hetland on Dec 1, 2007 6:36 PM EST reply actions  

Yes Gary D., it’s always a good thing when receivers present themselves.

by Ed on Dec 1, 2007 6:39 PM EST reply actions  

How would one even accomplish the “minivan”? Seems difficult. Trying to figure it out while watcing football, good times.

by ipse dixit on Dec 1, 2007 6:40 PM EST reply actions  

Pretty good game, you know, for a shitty game.

by drogue on Dec 1, 2007 6:43 PM EST reply actions  

I thought I heard Gary Danielson explaining something by using the Pythagorean theorem earlier, but all us math majors think that math is everywhere. Plus, I’ve been drinking solidly since around 10.

by Brandon Lang on Dec 1, 2007 6:43 PM EST reply actions  

We call that particular SEC ref the “MethRef”. He’s constantly hopped up on something better than we’re on. Guess he didn’t bring enough to share…

by Great Caeser's Ghost on Dec 1, 2007 6:46 PM EST reply actions  

Can you get fired the same day you call a press conference to announce you’re saying?

by Annapolis Doug on Dec 1, 2007 6:46 PM EST reply actions  

Just don’t try and take his Meth, cause he’ll cut you whitebread

by Thor on Dec 1, 2007 6:48 PM EST reply actions  

Is there a name for “4 in the stink, thumb in the pink”?

(Btw, if you could do this with a girl, she’s not dating material…but tell your friends)

by Will on Dec 1, 2007 6:53 PM EST reply actions  

Brandon, it wasn’t the wine coolers. Gary did, indeed, invoke Pythagorus.

by Gurn on Dec 1, 2007 6:53 PM EST reply actions  

Shoulda known it was the “MethRef”. Pookie is the line judge.

by Great Caeser's Ghost on Dec 1, 2007 6:55 PM EST reply actions  

4 in the stink and the thumb in the pink?

I call that the Smelly Handshake.

by Annapolis Doug on Dec 1, 2007 6:57 PM EST reply actions  

Doucet got invited to a gangbang, but it looks like he was on the recieving end.

by BurritoBrosShits on Dec 1, 2007 7:09 PM EST reply actions  

Geez, this game…

Georgia would’ve had fun in this game versus LSU.

Sorry, still bitter about GA-UT game this year & disappointed at the unwillingness of other East teams to knock them off…

by Rival on Dec 1, 2007 7:09 PM EST reply actions  

fake punt? batshit strkes again

by Erdinger on Dec 1, 2007 7:11 PM EST reply actions  

Les Miles = idiot.

LSU = extremely fun to watch!

by Annapolis Doug on Dec 1, 2007 7:12 PM EST reply actions  

I love the job Richt did this year…but man I’m really wishing he’d gotten into the motivation game prior to the UT game…

There have been eerie parallels between this season and 2004 (UGA also beat UF, the Red Sox won the WS in a sweep)

At least we won’t be playing Wisconsin in a bowl…

I think the Busted Tees gal would be up for a minivan

by Will on Dec 1, 2007 7:13 PM EST reply actions  

Dammit Miles didn’t invent that fake field goal they ran against South Carolina, quit acting like he did.

by Thor on Dec 1, 2007 7:13 PM EST reply actions  

Ugh…more depression-inducing things I’m noticing:
UT’s liability of a secondary is going to be really good next year

by Will on Dec 1, 2007 7:14 PM EST reply actions  

This ref is jittery/creepy.

LSU should run Hester, where’s he been?

by ipse dixit on Dec 1, 2007 7:17 PM EST reply actions  

“Turned into a fight for the SEC Championship”

What was it before? An exhibition before both teams split a keg afterward?

by Annapolis Doug on Dec 1, 2007 7:17 PM EST reply actions  

LSU is depressing me…all the players are injured and Les Miles is a huge flake and I am so sick of the Diet Dr Pepper commerical with Tom Jones and I hate the Vols…really hate them….

by jamiedawg on Dec 1, 2007 7:17 PM EST reply actions  

  1. -

Unless you’re an LSU fan. My cardiologist is getting rich off of Corky’s coaching. On the plus side, my 2 year has learned lotsa new words. None of which are appreciated in polite company, but at age 2, I can still shrug it off and say how “cute” it is.

FUCKSTICKS!

LSU can’t beat Tennessee AND themselves! Same script, different weekend.

by Great Caeser's Ghost on Dec 1, 2007 7:18 PM EST reply actions  

Did Les Miles just yell the words “Poise! Poise!” on the sideline?

If so, was he channeling Kramer from the Miss Rhode Island episode, or calling for an adult undergarment?

by Doug on Dec 1, 2007 7:18 PM EST reply actions  

Who else thinks that WVU’s in for a MAO! vs. Pitt tonight? Yeah, it seems unlikely, but…

by Boston Frog on Dec 1, 2007 7:20 PM EST reply actions  

Ahh, now THAT’S the Erik Ainge I’ve come to know and love!

by Doug on Dec 1, 2007 7:21 PM EST reply actions  

Verne just put the “they haven’t had a turnover” hex on them.

by Brandon Lang on Dec 1, 2007 7:21 PM EST reply actions  

Ouch.

by Annapolis Doug on Dec 1, 2007 7:21 PM EST reply actions  

Nice throw, Ainge, you douche nozzle.

Stafford would have DDT’d LSU.

by Gurn on Dec 1, 2007 7:21 PM EST reply actions  

Bookies are smart.

by Annapolis Doug on Dec 1, 2007 7:21 PM EST reply actions  

Worst. Pass. Ever.

by Tom on Dec 1, 2007 7:21 PM EST reply actions  

okay, the LSU touchdown made me feel better….amd thank god they got the 2 pt. conversion

by jamiedawg on Dec 1, 2007 7:22 PM EST reply actions  

The funniest thing about reading the Michigan message boards about the whole Les Miles soap opera is that they seem to be missing the larger point… If you want a good coach from the SEC that may be available, why wouldn’t you go after Richt versus Miles?

Whatever, I am sure that most of the rest of the Big Ten would welcome Les ’I’m gonna call a fake qb sweep pass back on 4th and 1’ Miles with open arms… Hell, even [NAME REDACTED] has to be rooting for that hire.

by brawndo on Dec 1, 2007 7:22 PM EST reply actions  

Note to every QB alive (and especially the one in deer-hunting orange): Don’t throw the ball into the flat when you’re deep in your own territory. Just don’t.

by Boston Frog on Dec 1, 2007 7:23 PM EST reply actions  

brawndo,
While you may have “what plants crave” you are missing the obvious thing here:

Les SMiles PLAYED @ MICHIGAN
He’s got ties to the school.
Richt (or any other SEC HC) do not.

You may as well tell them to give Urban a call, since he beat OSU (or Holtz)

by Will on Dec 1, 2007 7:24 PM EST reply actions  

Bookies are smart…..and rich.

by Brandon Lang on Dec 1, 2007 7:24 PM EST reply actions  

@207

The loss to UT was a pre-requisite for the ’Dawgs motivation for the rest of the year.

by MorningBeer on Dec 1, 2007 7:24 PM EST reply actions  

I know everyone is watching the SEC game, but I’m flipping to the USC-UCLA game and in the last six plays there has been a fumble (UCLA), fumble (USC), interception (UCLA). USC now has the ball, for, I assume, 2 plays before they turn it over.

Horrible quality game. The announcers have chalked it up to the “pressure of the rivalry.”

by D-nice on Dec 1, 2007 7:25 PM EST reply actions  

#223: I agree, I can’t figure out what all the hoopla about Miles is all about. All he’s done so far is show that he can go 10-2 with Nick Saban’s players. Which is like showing that you can get laid when there’s a woman already naked in your bed.

by Tom on Dec 1, 2007 7:26 PM EST reply actions  

If Michigan wanted a philosophy change they should have gotten Coach O. Snow and cold weather would only confuse the O.

by BurritoBrosShits on Dec 1, 2007 7:26 PM EST reply actions  

V. Lundquist, you know the V is for Voodoo.
Verne commented that LSU’s RBs hadn’t fumbled in 600+ carries.
2 plays later, Trindon Holliday fumbles.
Then he says Tenn didn’t have a turnover or a penalty and on that play Ainge serves up a Pick 6.

Also, jamiedawg, technically I think we want Tenn to win, but I am having a hard time pulling for Fulmer and those heinous orange uniforms also. There is talk that LSU could possibly jump us with a win.

by fotodog on Dec 1, 2007 7:27 PM EST reply actions  

Let me be the first one to say this….

We’re headed to triple OT Vol Victory!

by Annapolis Doug on Dec 1, 2007 7:27 PM EST reply actions  

Come one Will… Bo didn’t even play at Michigan. Hell, they haven’t had a coach that played at Michigan in a long time. If they want a GOOD coach, Richt would be a better option. If they want somebody that will be abused by OSU and give teams like Illinois a chance every year, Short Bus Miles makes perfect sense.

by brawndo on Dec 1, 2007 7:28 PM EST reply actions  

brawndo—

why do you say Richt “might be available?”

Heck, if he is, send him to Auburn. We’ll make a hole.

by Gurn on Dec 1, 2007 7:29 PM EST reply actions  

233

It’s a helluva lot harder to pull Richt out of Athens than anyone out of Baton Rouge. And Michigan ain’t ready to pay that kind of big boy money for a football coach.

On an unrelated note: shouldn’t someone tell Erik Ainge that the Georgia Dome is climate-controlled?

by RIP Logan Young on Dec 1, 2007 7:31 PM EST reply actions  

fotodog…I know I should be pulling for the vols…they make my stomach hurt…the color of the unis, smokey, fat phil…I don’t know if I can do it. really, my stomach hurts and I know it is this game.

by jamiedawg on Dec 1, 2007 7:31 PM EST reply actions  

Dr. Pepper only budgets for 2 commercial filmings a year apparently. Urge to kill rising…

by ipse dixit on Dec 1, 2007 7:32 PM EST reply actions  

Phil Fulmer….you’re no Les Miles.

by Annapolis Doug on Dec 1, 2007 7:32 PM EST reply actions  

Any coke dealers on line now?

by Annapolis Doug on Dec 1, 2007 7:33 PM EST reply actions  

the dr. pepper commericals are definitely making my stomach hurt as well.

by jamiedawg on Dec 1, 2007 7:34 PM EST reply actions  

As a Dawg, I simply can’t pull for the Vols under any circumstances. Not in a box, not with a fox. I have no interest in seeing Fulmer’s “O face” tonight.

by Doug on Dec 1, 2007 7:35 PM EST reply actions  

true that, Doug…

by jamiedawg on Dec 1, 2007 7:36 PM EST reply actions  

#237: yes, and that commercial has surpassed “This is our country” in its ubiquity and annoyance.

by mb on Dec 1, 2007 7:37 PM EST reply actions  

Please read #232 please

by Annapolis Doug on Dec 1, 2007 7:38 PM EST reply actions  

RC Cola no longer makes commercials?

by BurritoBrosShits on Dec 1, 2007 7:38 PM EST reply actions  

232

You might be psychic

by Boston Frog on Dec 1, 2007 7:38 PM EST reply actions  

Please don’t read 244

by Annapolis Doug on Dec 1, 2007 7:38 PM EST reply actions  

There’s 2005 Ainge again.

by Tom on Dec 1, 2007 7:38 PM EST reply actions  

232

Or maybe not

by Boston Frog on Dec 1, 2007 7:38 PM EST reply actions  

Fat Phil is about to pull a hernia….

by jamiedawg on Dec 1, 2007 7:40 PM EST reply actions  

232

Or maybe not…

Dammit, my wireless crapped out.

by Boston Frog on Dec 1, 2007 7:40 PM EST reply actions  

When I say might, I mean that Michigan might be able to match a salary offer from Athens than Baton Rouge. I hate to break it to the bull dog fans out there, but Michigan does have a greater tradition than Georgia. Both of their fan bases may be equally unreasonable (perhaps with the edge to Michigan there), but Michigan does have the winningest program of all time.

From us slow big ten(11) people, I can guaranty you that the upper midwest would rather welcome Miles than Richt into the whore known as Ann Arbor.

by brawndo on Dec 1, 2007 7:40 PM EST reply actions  

Aside from 2 drives, Ainge has looked very pedestrian.

by fotodog on Dec 1, 2007 7:41 PM EST reply actions  

Yo, EDSBS guy;

Do you really believe what that he has agreed. OOhhhh contrar, my friend. You must pay attention.

Bertman leaked a “deal” that he and Bass have negotiated as the best possible LSU counteroffer. Michigan AD has not even met with Les yet. That will happen tomorrow.

Read Bertman’s release, that there is an “agreement” unsigned. That agreement is a contract. Bass went down to LSU Thursday to negotiate the a counter from LSU.

What is surprising is that LSU has ponied up a counter, before Michigan ever offered. Michigan is still looking at candidates in addition to Miles, and Miles is one of three or four candidates who MAY be offered the job. Nothing is a guarentee at this point.

Les’ comments were “I represent myself”. What do you think that means? It means that Bass does not have authority to sign and bind. He has not agreed to a deal, and you, of all people -whom I deem as relatively intelligent - should no that.

Les also said: “absolutely” in reply to the question whether he will coach this team next year.before taking the field. Ok. Well, last time I checked the worst possible bowl that LSU could play in is on January 1, 2008. Isn’t that next year?

So Bertman added some pressure on him by leaking an untrue story. Miles wasn’t happy about Herbrstreit’s report, but that report only added one new piece of info — Tenuta. Herbie merely said that Miles will take the job" barring something unforseen. That’s been reported since the third or fourth week of the season.

Bottom line, Les’ has not, and will not sign a contract with LSU until Michigan has hired its coach, whether it be him, or someone else. I respect what he said, b/c as he said before the game, his team was distracted. He is doing/did what he though necessary to get his team ready to play.

When this turns out with him at Michigan, in a week and a half to two weeks, Skip Bertman is going to look like the weasel he is.

by wolverine steve on Dec 1, 2007 7:42 PM EST reply actions  

So, um my Ducks are showing signs of life with their 5th string QB and nobody cares… its like the good old days, when the Pac 10 consisted of two teams and we definitely weren’t one of ’em….

by AZDuck on Dec 1, 2007 7:42 PM EST reply actions  

Brawndo,
Richt has something like a $9 million buyout. Just be quiet and let it go.

by fotodog on Dec 1, 2007 7:44 PM EST reply actions  

If this game goes to overtime, I boycott college football for 1 year. Doctors orders.

by wolftiger on Dec 1, 2007 7:45 PM EST reply actions  

Did Miles just kiss Bradley Dale Peveto?

by wolftiger on Dec 1, 2007 7:46 PM EST reply actions  

From us slow big ten(11) people, I can guaranty you that the upper midwest would rather welcome Miles than Richt into the whore known as Ann Arbor.

Not so fast, my friend. I’d take Richt in a heartbeat.

by notthequarterback on Dec 1, 2007 7:46 PM EST reply actions  

Congrats, LSU! My mother-in-law will be happy tonight.

by Boston Frog on Dec 1, 2007 7:47 PM EST reply actions  

One other thing: is there any more perfect marriage in the sports broadcasting world than Dennis Miller and the Versus network?

I think not.

by AZDuck on Dec 1, 2007 7:48 PM EST reply actions  

Way to go LSU! May not be in the NC but you won the SEC. Congrats.

by WDamnE on Dec 1, 2007 7:50 PM EST reply actions  

Brawndo…

I think Richt wants to coach in a real conference. Besides, if he moves his lovely wife to a permafrost climate, she’ll stop kissing him on the sidelines forever.

by DirkDawggler on Dec 1, 2007 7:52 PM EST reply actions  

If you’re a man…and like the ladies….You leave Athens for Ann Arbor?

Hell. F’n. No.

by Annapolis Doug on Dec 1, 2007 7:54 PM EST reply actions  

Just. Beat. Mizzu. Again.

Thanks.

by The Artist Formerly Known as tOSUBuckeyes on Dec 1, 2007 7:54 PM EST reply actions  

Because when I think college football, I think George St. Pierre. Please tell me somebody else saw him just attempt the player intros for the WfVU-Pitt game. Sweet fancy Moses, how about finding someone who can speak l’anglais.

by Laugh on Dec 1, 2007 7:55 PM EST reply actions  

Who the HELL Is Georges St. Pierre?!
He was introducing the WV Mountaineers and was struggling mightily. Somebody get that guy an ESL teacher.

by fotodog on Dec 1, 2007 7:56 PM EST reply actions  

Brawndo—tradition’s nice and all, but it doesn’t necessarily=$$$
http://www.forbes.com/sportsbusiness/2007/11/20/notre-dame-fooball-biz-sports-cx_ps_1120collegeball.html

1. Notre Dame — $101 million value
2. Texas — $92 million
3. Georgia — $90 million
4. Michigan — $85 million
5. Florida — $84 million
6. LSU — $76 million

Looks like you’re better off trying to match $$ with LSU…or Florida.

by Will on Dec 1, 2007 7:56 PM EST reply actions  

I know as a Dawg fan I should cling to the odd hope of the MNC…but I will root for Mizzou if it keeps the MNC game Buckeye free. Last year’s was the worst game in a while (since the Miami-Husker game). Don’t want to see that again…and tOSU’s schedule this year was even softer than last years…like going from Fulmer-size soft to Mangino-size soft.

by Will on Dec 1, 2007 7:59 PM EST reply actions  

Ahem, West Virginia has its finger on the trigger…

by Boston Frog on Dec 1, 2007 8:00 PM EST reply actions  

WV kicker just gagged.

I hate the recent trend of player intros at the beginning of the game. They always go long and you miss part of the play after. Do that shit before the game if you want.

by ipse dixit on Dec 1, 2007 8:00 PM EST reply actions  

AZDuck, because nobody gets it and nobody has it?

by BurritoBrosShits on Dec 1, 2007 8:01 PM EST reply actions  

Just talked to my LSU buddy. I’ve never heard somebody so despondent after his team won the SEC.

“I wish Miles would take his ass to Michigan,” was his comment.

by Gurn on Dec 1, 2007 8:02 PM EST reply actions  

Oregon game is geting good!

by Annapolis Doug on Dec 1, 2007 8:03 PM EST reply actions  

Hey, the US won the Davis Cup! USA! USA?

by Boston Frog on Dec 1, 2007 8:04 PM EST reply actions  

This just proves my point….
Retard Beats Crazy——Nutt
Retard Beats Fat and Lazy—-Fulmer
Sooner or later, retard gets institutionalized—-Michigan….

Maybe the Retard way of coaching isnt too bad after all…I bet if we take that hat off…we will see a kitty cat chasing a butterfly in a fog of rainbows…..

by Mr Pelican Pants on Dec 1, 2007 8:06 PM EST reply actions  

The battle of Ohio coaches.

Tonight:

Stoops (youngstown, ohio) vs. Pinkle (akron, ohio)

Possible bowl matchup:

Zook (loudonville, ohio) vs. Meyer (ashtabula, ohio)

by The Artist Formerly Known as tOSUBuckeyes on Dec 1, 2007 8:08 PM EST reply actions  

what a finish a Oregon!

by Annapolis Doug on Dec 1, 2007 8:08 PM EST reply actions  

The way Dan Fouts calls this {and all other Duck} game, you would think he went to Oregon or something…

by Kanu on Dec 1, 2007 8:08 PM EST reply actions  

I sthat Zook vs. Meyer mach up between 2 coaches in that AT&T commercial?

Tuscafucyou, USA

by Annapolis Doug on Dec 1, 2007 8:10 PM EST reply actions  

Jesus, aren’t there any decent soccer players in the state of Oregon?

by Kanu on Dec 1, 2007 8:10 PM EST reply actions  

Wow, Oregon really shit the bed there

by hiphopopotamus on Dec 1, 2007 8:10 PM EST reply actions  

Herbstreit is rooting for Oklahoma like I’m drinking cheap gin.

by Annapolis Doug on Dec 1, 2007 8:12 PM EST reply actions  

Herbie and Musberger look funny in front of the bluescreen. Look like weathermen or somehting.

by ipse dixit on Dec 1, 2007 8:12 PM EST reply actions  

Georges St. Pierre is a French Canadian, and former welterweight (or maybe light heavyweight) champion of the UFC.

“Besides, Napoleon, you know I’ve been training to be a cage fighter.”

— Kip

by Gurn on Dec 1, 2007 8:13 PM EST reply actions  

The first thing everybody has to aware of is that I hate Michigan.

The second thing is that Michigan is about to have a major stadium upgrade which will push the value of the program up into the stratosphere.

The third thing is… What is Richt’s real buyout? Seriously… No coach has a 9 large buyout.

by brawndo on Dec 1, 2007 8:16 PM EST reply actions  

as a Dawg, I guess I am for Mizzou? I am hoping we go to the Rose bowl? is that still an option?

by jamiedawg on Dec 1, 2007 8:18 PM EST reply actions  

Everyone isrooting for Mizzou…No one wants to see Ohio State in another championship game.

In any sport.

by Annapolis Doug on Dec 1, 2007 8:20 PM EST reply actions  

It’s time to petition Myles Brand to mandate different title sponsors for each of the conference championship games, lest yet another late-autumn Saturday be turned into the Dr. Pepper Cavalcade Of Ads You’re Already Sick And Fucking Tired Of.

How ‘bout this: The SEC Championship Game Presented By Victoria’s Secret? Can we all get on board with that?

by Doug on Dec 1, 2007 8:23 PM EST reply actions  

brawndo,
http://georgiasports.blogspot.com/2006/09/about-pending-richt-to-miami-idiocy.html

3rd bullet point.
UGA knew that FSU would come calling (hard) when Bowden retires or passes.

by fotodog on Dec 1, 2007 8:25 PM EST reply actions  

excellent point, Annapolis Doug…I forgot about the Fuckeyes.

by jamiedawg on Dec 1, 2007 8:25 PM EST reply actions  

Yes, Victoria’s Secret and co sponsered by a car chase/badass monster type movie. More monster.

by ipse dixit on Dec 1, 2007 8:25 PM EST reply actions  

Jamie…

The jerk-offs on the rose bowl selection committee would rather have a big ten vs pac ten game than a good game. You have no rooting interest here. If Oklahoma wins, Illinois will likely go. If Missouri wins, OSU goes.

by brawndo on Dec 1, 2007 8:26 PM EST reply actions  

Wolftiger — I’m pretty sure that was goodbye, as Peveto’s rumor to be heading north as Beaux’s DC. Note who got the gatorade bath?

by Albino Tornado on Dec 1, 2007 8:26 PM EST reply actions  

Fucking Christ.

Let’s all take a moment and be thankful that Tennessee didn’t play West Virginia today.

by Kanu on Dec 1, 2007 8:28 PM EST reply actions  

At the end of this season it’ll go down to 8 million.

When signed the deal it was 10.

Or something close.

I hope they’re trying to make the big house nicer and not larger, b/c a giant bowl that isn’t that loud isn’t going really bring any more $$$ than it’s already bringing.

by Will on Dec 1, 2007 8:29 PM EST reply actions  

Fotodog…

I didn’t know that. Either Richt loves Athens or he is a moron. I am guessing the former.

That would certainly explain why his name isn’t brought up more often. I will bring this up no more.

by brawndo on Dec 1, 2007 8:30 PM EST reply actions  

dammit….I so confused with all this BCS shit….I just want the Dawgs in a decent bowl…I guess I am for whoever keeps tOSU out of national championship play….the Beavs just beat the Ducks….

by jamiedawg on Dec 1, 2007 8:31 PM EST reply actions  

Does WFVU want UGA to play in the title game?

by Dawg 05 on Dec 1, 2007 8:32 PM EST reply actions  

As for the Big House expansion… It is my understanding that they won’t be adding that many seats, but they will be adding something like 80 luxury boxes ($$$).

by brawndo on Dec 1, 2007 8:33 PM EST reply actions  

I’m such a loser that I’m sitting here waiting on this average looking girl to come over (with her double DD’s) who has been at the Army-Navy game since 10 AM.

She’s gonna be Preakness drunk when she ges here.

Wait. I might be a winner!

by Annapolis Doug on Dec 1, 2007 8:37 PM EST reply actions  

OU #40 just textbook crunched Chase Daniels.

by fotodog on Dec 1, 2007 8:37 PM EST reply actions  

Yikes, is Chase Daniel an option QB tonight? Ouch.

by ipse dixit on Dec 1, 2007 8:37 PM EST reply actions  

Can’t believe I am watching this game, but….why the hell does Wannstache even have crutches? He just uses them to bang on the ground, he was even holding the both in one hand at one point.

by wolftiger on Dec 1, 2007 8:39 PM EST reply actions  

I have to shut this down so she doesn’t read #302.

Oh well….OU 24 Mizzou 20

Heirbstreit and Musburger circle jerk with Disney exec’s.

by Annapolis Doug on Dec 1, 2007 8:40 PM EST reply actions  

BTW, if Miles does go to Michigan, he’ll need to take a position on an important issue.

Is he pro-Fuck Lion, or anti-Fuck Lion?

This could define his potential administration for years to come.

by Gurn on Dec 1, 2007 8:42 PM EST reply actions  

From what I’ve seen, I think Miles would be pro fuck lion.

by brawndo on Dec 1, 2007 8:44 PM EST reply actions  

FUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCK

HOW HARD IS IT TO SPIKE THE FUCKING BALL

by AZDuck on Dec 1, 2007 8:44 PM EST reply actions  

How about the fact that Herby was just called-out on the air about his reporting on the Miles-Michigan gig?

by MRod on Dec 1, 2007 8:48 PM EST reply actions  

wolftiger….I flipped to that game also…why is he on crutches? he got a contract extension so he doesn’t need the dog & pony show…for all the hype, this mizzou game is not so good.

by jamiedawg on Dec 1, 2007 8:49 PM EST reply actions  

I think Miles is a fuck lion.

by Kanu on Dec 1, 2007 8:50 PM EST reply actions  

Brawndo -

Not only is it real, but Richt requested it himself to keep other schools from calling him, and to let the kids he is recruiting know that he will be here for the long haul. He has moved his whole extended family to Athens – on his dime. He works for the most profitable and 3rd most valuable CFB program (according to Forbes). There is NO CHANCE that UM, or anyone else for that matter, will be able to get him to leave. Loyalty to his team and the University that gave him his first HC job mean more to him than a few extra bucks.

We just thank God we have him. Because we are very familiar with pedestrian coaches around here (Goff & Donnan).

by CLTDawg on Dec 1, 2007 8:51 PM EST reply actions  

I wish we had Richt at Auburn.

Georgia’s fixin’ to get on a run and be good for a while.

by Gurn on Dec 1, 2007 8:54 PM EST reply actions  

Is Ohio taking over the Big 12?

Kirk in the booth, Spielman on the sidelines, and both head coaches hail from Ohio…and they say the South is the King of College Football.

by The Artist Formerly Known as tOSUBuckeyes on Dec 1, 2007 8:56 PM EST reply actions  

The sideline reporter said that technically Wandstache doesn’t need the crutches to walk- he can walk with the boot, but if he stands for a long period of time his ankle swells up and has more pain. So he just uses the crutches to keep the pressure of his foot to prevent that.

by fotodog on Dec 1, 2007 8:58 PM EST reply actions  

Holy hell. It’s like Pitt keeps wrestling the gun away from WFVU only to shoot themselves in the foot.

by Cerbera on Dec 1, 2007 8:58 PM EST reply actions  

Did the Wannstache put Crystal Meth in his players’ Gatorade? I haven’t seen a Pitt guy this animated since Mark May inexplicably started making sense.

by Alex on Dec 1, 2007 9:00 PM EST reply actions  

AZ’s PAC-10 Bowl Predictions:

USC – Rose
ASU – Fiesta
OSU – Holiday
UO – Sun
UCLA – Emerald
Cal – Armed Forces

FUCK.

by AZDuck on Dec 1, 2007 9:00 PM EST reply actions  

Holy crap Dawg fans….Pat White is hurt.

by Alex on Dec 1, 2007 9:02 PM EST reply actions  

OK brag on Ohio with a population of 12 million…

Mississippi has 2 million…

some could argue…best of all time

Best QB- Brett Favre (a stretch but he’s up there)
Best WR- Jerry Rice
Best RB- Walter Payton
Best punter- Ray Guy

There are those who coach..and those who play…

by Annapolis Doug on Dec 1, 2007 9:02 PM EST reply actions  

Why does Mizzou have go-go dancers for cheerleaders?

by jamiedawg on Dec 1, 2007 9:04 PM EST reply actions  

Nice personal foul, Pitt. Ballgame. Get ready for the worst MNC game ever: OSU vs WVU.

by wolftiger on Dec 1, 2007 9:04 PM EST reply actions  

Nice Winger reference Reese Davis…

by Will on Dec 1, 2007 9:08 PM EST reply actions  

I’m sure Ohio is a fine state, but wtf cares where a coach was born?

If they were all OSU alums then maybe you’d have a point or something.

by ipse dixit on Dec 1, 2007 9:09 PM EST reply actions  

I have to say, I’m impressed with Pitt’s tackling. They are keeping WV in check for the time being…bad part is that WV doesn’t loose its entire offense with Pat White out like Oregon does, their backup looks pretty good.

Is anyone else amazed at how OU could lose a single game this year…I look at their guys and I’m amazed how they could ever lose a game. Must be the Crimson and Cream.

by The Artist Formerly Known as tOSUBuckeyes on Dec 1, 2007 9:09 PM EST reply actions  

Yea…Pat White…from Alabama.

by Annapolis Doug on Dec 1, 2007 9:11 PM EST reply actions  

Holy Crap….we’re not that far from a Ohio State – Ga NCG!

by Annapolis Doug on Dec 1, 2007 9:14 PM EST reply actions  

Nice try Annapolis Doug – Ray Guy is from Thomson GA. My old man played against him in high school. 3 out of 4 ain’t bad though…..

by CLTDawg on Dec 1, 2007 9:22 PM EST reply actions  

A OSU-UGA MNC game means only one thing- my TV is gettin’ shot.

by Mr. Wrong on Dec 1, 2007 9:27 PM EST reply actions  

no team should be in the MNC when they don’t even win their own division, much less their own conference. But what does the BCS care about what is right?

by wolftiger on Dec 1, 2007 9:30 PM EST reply actions  

#321… have you ever been to Missouri? Go-Go Dancers are Standard Operating Procedure.

by Flatlander on Dec 1, 2007 9:31 PM EST reply actions  

As a football fan, I’d like to agree with you wolftiger. But as a UGA fan, I just don’t care how UGA would make the title game. Plus, what happens if they make it and win?

My point is…(I think) that arguments about a flawed system are never going to make sense themselves.

That, and Go Dawgs. resumes drinking

by Alex on Dec 1, 2007 9:33 PM EST reply actions  

I think it looks like a tOSU and W. Va championship game…I don’t know how GA jumps over LSU anyhow…

by jamiedawg on Dec 1, 2007 9:36 PM EST reply actions  

You know, I just read my post and it doesn’t make a hellava lot of sense…

by Alex on Dec 1, 2007 9:36 PM EST reply actions  

Is anyone else amazed at how much Steve Slaton has dropped off?
7 carries for 3 yards
1 reception for 9 yards

Remember back in the ’05 Sugar Bowl about how everyone was going crazy about Slaton and talking about future Heisman?

by fotodog on Dec 1, 2007 9:37 PM EST reply actions  

OSU in the title game means Subcomandante Wayne….
……..NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Dan on Dec 1, 2007 9:38 PM EST reply actions  

321 — recruiting.

by Albino Tornado on Dec 1, 2007 9:40 PM EST reply actions  

OU wins this game because they are the more physical team and they have enough speed to stick with Mizzou.
Actually, are there any other physical teams in the Big 12?

by fotodog on Dec 1, 2007 9:40 PM EST reply actions  

WVU’s not in the title game yet.

by Boston Frog on Dec 1, 2007 9:41 PM EST reply actions  

Pat white will never play a down of NFL football.

by The Artist Formerly Known as tOSUBuckeyes on Dec 1, 2007 9:42 PM EST reply actions  

328..I know he went to So Miss..he was also a great baseball player..scratch golfer…basketball player

Ray Guy was a bad underrated MF.

by Annapolis Doug on Dec 1, 2007 9:44 PM EST reply actions  

Holy Crap Pitt!

by Annapolis Doug on Dec 1, 2007 9:44 PM EST reply actions  

WannStache!!! Bring it home my man, bring it home.

by CLTDawg on Dec 1, 2007 9:48 PM EST reply actions  

Nothing for nothing, Orson….know what I’m kinda trying to say…a little bit maybe?

In certain circumstances, there’s certainly nothing wrong with a little ..err…..“Man-love..” …..maybe for instance…ya know… ya got your Abe Lincoln, MacAuthor…George Patton, definitely…maybe Joe Namath and Bo Jackson…but you are kinda pushing it with the Verne Lundquist.

Brother, you look like you got a woody and a ffff—-aaa—-ggg ring on while you’re standing beside him…

Jesus man, the man is the color commentator for Figure Skating….control your impulses for God’s sake….

by kt on Dec 1, 2007 9:51 PM EST reply actions  

Fear the ’Stache!

by Ed on Dec 1, 2007 9:51 PM EST reply actions  

So let’s review…

UCLA lost at home to Notre Dame.
Stanford lost at home to Notre Dame.
USC lost at home to Stanford.
Cal is down 10 with 10 minutes to play against Stanford.
Stanford, once again, lost at home to Notre Dame.

Why is the Pac-10 good again?

by notthequarterback on Dec 1, 2007 9:51 PM EST reply actions  

Oklahoma, once again, proving their susceptibility to the trick play. Tie game.

by Dobber on Dec 1, 2007 9:54 PM EST reply actions  

Nice call, Mizz-oo-ruh.

Wannstache won’t win tonight.

by Gurn on Dec 1, 2007 9:54 PM EST reply actions  

With Mizzou’s “10-in-the-box” defense, Malcom Kelly ought to have at least 12 80-yard touchdowns in the 2nd half.

by Miami Husker on Dec 1, 2007 9:56 PM EST reply actions  

WVU is showing very few signs of life right now.

So… tOSU-Georgia? Or LSU? Or VT? Hell, at this point, give Hawai’i a shot.

Wait, here comes Mizzou back again… never mind.

by Boston Frog on Dec 1, 2007 9:59 PM EST reply actions  

#345

Umm… The second place team in the SEC… A team that beat the crap out of Georgia… Got the crap beat out of them by a bunch of hippies that comprise the 7th place team in the Pac-10.

Maybe that is the problem???

by brawndo on Dec 1, 2007 10:02 PM EST reply actions  

WVU could easily lose this game, not that I think they can’t come back.

If Mizzou AND WVU lose, they shouldn’t stage a MNC and just let the voters annoint a champion.

Every team with a brainfart loss this season (I’m looking at you USC) has to be kicking themselves right now.

by D-nice on Dec 1, 2007 10:03 PM EST reply actions  

My understanding is that Georgia can’t be in the Natl. Championship because they didn’t win their conference.

by k00laid on Dec 1, 2007 10:03 PM EST reply actions  

The ’ol magic hand job, er, hankie job.

by Ed on Dec 1, 2007 10:03 PM EST reply actions  

Mr Swindle,

You know owe me a dollar. Pleasure doing business with you.

Sincerely,

USC and ST

by SeanThomas on Dec 1, 2007 10:04 PM EST reply actions  

The officials just kept W Va title hopes aliv e. Whatg a BS call that was.

by Stagecoach67 on Dec 1, 2007 10:04 PM EST reply actions  

WOW! that was the worst holding call in the history of football. That could decide who plays for the National Championship game. It should be 17-7 Pitt. Unbelievable

by asdf on Dec 1, 2007 10:06 PM EST reply actions  

That was one of the worst calls I have EVER seen. Pretty much bent Pitt over and pooped all over their upset plans. Son of a beeyotch!

by DevilInLaw on Dec 1, 2007 10:07 PM EST reply actions  

The refs at Pitt-WVU may have just averted the endgame BCS chaos everyone’s so afraid of.

by Cerbera on Dec 1, 2007 10:08 PM EST reply actions  

Yes, Georgia is out as per last year’s precedent that teams that don’t win their conference aren’t allowed in the title game anymore.

It’s just a good thing that Illinois weren’t still in the mix, because they already lost to Mizzou this year, and we all know that rematches aren’t allowed for the national title either.

by notthequarterback on Dec 1, 2007 10:08 PM EST reply actions  

Personally, I think there should be a 16 team play-off… The play-off would include 11 conference champs and 5 at large teams. If that should ever happen, the SEC could assume the ACC Basketball title of natural favorite in the tourney… Until then… Meh…

by brawndo on Dec 1, 2007 10:09 PM EST reply actions  

k00laid —

There is nothing which says someone has to win their conference to play for the National Championship game. In Fact it happened in the cases of both Nebraska and Oklahoma. Last Year Remember everyone was calling for Michigan to play Ohio State in the National Championship after just losing to them.

by corey bailey on Dec 1, 2007 10:11 PM EST reply actions  

Stop this UGA can’t, by rule, play in the championship game baloney. The BCS met and specifically addressed this possibility after the OU debacle. They chose to NOT act.

There is no conference title requirement. Please stop this misinformation crap. NOW.

by Ed on Dec 1, 2007 10:11 PM EST reply actions  

I do expect Gary Danielson to be lobbying against UGA very soon. If I remember correctly (oh I remember correctly), you can’t vote for a team that can’t win their own conference.

Verne, since you visit, make sure Gary is reminded of this will you?

by maskedavenger on Dec 1, 2007 10:17 PM EST reply actions  

How many times is Brent gonna say that you gotta go all in because they are in Texas ?

by Big & Rich Brooks on Dec 1, 2007 10:17 PM EST reply actions  

I love this one. In Rule 2, Section 7, Article 2, the guidelines state that, “a valid signal [of a fair catch] is a signal given by a player of Team B who has obviously signaled his intention by extending one hand only clearly above his head and waving that hand from side to side of his body more than once.”

by LSU Harleyman on Dec 1, 2007 10:17 PM EST reply actions  

Nice Friggin Catch Holmes!

by corey bailey on Dec 1, 2007 10:18 PM EST reply actions  

Um, does Larry Fitzgerald still play for Pitt?
Great grab #14

by fotodog on Dec 1, 2007 10:18 PM EST reply actions  

363 -

That IS ringing a bell, now that you mention it.

by notthequarterback on Dec 1, 2007 10:19 PM EST reply actions  

“Fresh set of downs for the Steelers….”

by Duck on Dec 1, 2007 10:19 PM EST reply actions  

When W Va comes back to squeak out the victory…will that official be named the star of the game for the ’Neers?

by Stagecoach67 on Dec 1, 2007 10:24 PM EST reply actions  

Well, Wannstache may win.

BTW, maybe it’s the backwards hat (never a good idea), but Chase Daniels reminds me of Rothlesberger.

by Gurn on Dec 1, 2007 10:26 PM EST reply actions  

Pitt’s running back is, dare I say it, “the real McCoy”

by Stagecoach67 on Dec 1, 2007 10:27 PM EST reply actions  

Bostick must have one of the ugliest games of any quarterback in recorded history. It hurts to watch him throw. But if he beats WFVU, he will be a legend. I just hope the Orange Bowl wouldn’t be stupid enough to take them. That would be a total clusterfuck in the stands.

by Wes on Dec 1, 2007 10:29 PM EST reply actions  

I’m calling it now, no matter who wins the MNC game, there will be a split national championship. And I don’t know who will get the other share, but it will be split.

by PW on Dec 1, 2007 10:29 PM EST reply actions  

371

If Pitt wins, doesn’t WVa go to the Orange Bowl, as BE champs?

by Stagecoach67 on Dec 1, 2007 10:33 PM EST reply actions  

Nice try Pitt

by fotodog on Dec 1, 2007 10:35 PM EST reply actions  

How does Wannstache not go for it on 4th and goal there? I’d rather have 10 to 7 with the ball on the 1 foot line than 13 7 kicking off to decent WV field position.

by asdf on Dec 1, 2007 10:36 PM EST reply actions  

“wasn’t even close”

by LSU Harleyman on Dec 1, 2007 10:38 PM EST reply actions  

spoke too soon

by fotodog on Dec 1, 2007 10:38 PM EST reply actions  

WVU didn’t convert the 4th down – WOW!. Pitt has to try to score and not just run out the clock. But, they keep on getting third and long – idiots. Try something other than running McCoy up the middle.

by D-nice on Dec 1, 2007 10:40 PM EST reply actions  

375

The Orange Bowl is no longer obligated to take the Big East champ and they don’t need to resurrect a nasty rivalry to sell tickets. It’s a big game no matter who’s in it.

by Wes on Dec 1, 2007 10:40 PM EST reply actions  

This game was stolen. Period.

by Ed on Dec 1, 2007 10:43 PM EST reply actions  

This is re-goddamn-diculous.

by Alex on Dec 1, 2007 10:45 PM EST reply actions  

It’s official – someone told the refs to make it difficult for Pitt.

by D-nice on Dec 1, 2007 10:45 PM EST reply actions  

wtf ref.

by Cerbera on Dec 1, 2007 10:46 PM EST reply actions  

Please – am I crazy or does someone want to make sure WVA wins?

by LSU Harleyman on Dec 1, 2007 10:46 PM EST reply actions  

Big East refs – brought to you by Juventus.

by Bill on Dec 1, 2007 10:47 PM EST reply actions  

HOLDING!! oops, my bad. I thought is was my turn.

by LSU Harleyman on Dec 1, 2007 10:48 PM EST reply actions  

Question: If the non-conference champion disallowed for MNC is true, does that make LSU next in line?

by Kegger on Dec 1, 2007 10:50 PM EST reply actions  

We got a 4th and 17 interference call coming?

by maskedavenger on Dec 1, 2007 10:50 PM EST reply actions  

Hmmmmmmmm, if our conference champs win the last game, our league gets in the MNC. Officials, do your duty!

Sincerely,
Big East Commish

by Stagecoach67 on Dec 1, 2007 10:51 PM EST reply actions  

Kegger, it’s not true. But you would be right, unless VT jumps LSU.

by Alex on Dec 1, 2007 10:51 PM EST reply actions  

And the Buckeyes are in the championship game. It’s a good thing the Appalachian State loss killed my ability to feel pain.

Sigh.

by maskedavenger on Dec 1, 2007 10:52 PM EST reply actions  

MAO!

by Signal to Noise on Dec 1, 2007 10:52 PM EST reply actions  

“I am so Happy!” Damnit – I wasn’t supposed to say that. now that cost us a personal foul. . . .

by LSU Harleyman on Dec 1, 2007 10:52 PM EST reply actions  

Excessive celebration there? This game is fixed!

by Dobber on Dec 1, 2007 10:52 PM EST reply actions  

This is bullshit! Pitt is getting cheated because the Big East wants the MNC game. Some one should be fired for this.

by CLTDawg on Dec 1, 2007 10:54 PM EST reply actions  

387 and 388:

Got it in one.

by Kegger on Dec 1, 2007 10:54 PM EST reply actions  

Assuming OK holds on, does anybody have an y idea who plays tOSU in New Orleans?

by Stagecoach67 on Dec 1, 2007 10:54 PM EST reply actions  

Holy Shit MAO MAO?

by BurritoBrosShits on Dec 1, 2007 10:55 PM EST reply actions  

Dear Pitt Punter: That big white line on your left? It’s called the boundary. Kick the damn ball right over it. Thank you.

by Ed on Dec 1, 2007 10:55 PM EST reply actions  

Excessive celebration call was complete bull, like both the holding calls. The refs in this game are worse than the Pac-10 officials. How many house payments are they trying to make?

by Signal to Noise on Dec 1, 2007 10:56 PM EST reply actions  

Stagecoach67 – Hawaii?

No, I’m not serious. But if a two-loss team beats tOSU, and Hawaii beats someone competent in their bowl game…

by Bill on Dec 1, 2007 10:56 PM EST reply actions  

Number 2 is out. . . . .

by LSU Harleyman on Dec 1, 2007 10:57 PM EST reply actions  

The Wannstache Strikes!!!

by BurritoBrosShits on Dec 1, 2007 10:57 PM EST reply actions  

Voters will give it to LSU. A friggin home game for the national championship.

by Ed on Dec 1, 2007 10:57 PM EST reply actions  

Somebody get Couch Burnin’ Girl off the ledge and hide the pills and knives.

by Harris on Dec 1, 2007 10:58 PM EST reply actions  

Georgia vs Ohio State?

FUCK YOU WEST VIRGINIA

by Thor on Dec 1, 2007 10:58 PM EST reply actions  

MAO!!!

by newaztiger on Dec 1, 2007 10:58 PM EST reply actions  

Second year in a row a team is knocked out of the national title game by a 13-9 score.

by Ed on Dec 1, 2007 10:59 PM EST reply actions  

Ha! Comment No. 216 comes true! If only I had wagered on this one.

Oh, and WVU… MAO!

Being ranked No. 2 just sucks this year.

by Boston Frog on Dec 1, 2007 10:59 PM EST reply actions  

OK, after this debacle, do I have any more takers for a national championship single elimination tourney?

by Kegger on Dec 1, 2007 10:59 PM EST reply actions  

Illinois to the Rose Bowl!

by brawndo on Dec 1, 2007 11:00 PM EST reply actions  

From Columbus, the sky can be seen ablaze with couches burning in Morgantown.

by Stagecoach67 on Dec 1, 2007 11:00 PM EST reply actions  

397 – I don’t know but I can’t imagine us (LSU) getting back to the top two for the THIRD time this season.

by LSU Harleyman on Dec 1, 2007 11:00 PM EST reply actions  

LSU/UGA vs. tOSU = BCS Champ
Sugar Bowl Winner = AP Champ

It’s gonna happen, the SEC team who doesn’t get to play tOSU is going to be given a share of the title a la USC in 2004.

by PW on Dec 1, 2007 11:00 PM EST reply actions  

Something smells fishy here. On that 4th-and-17, White threw it 10 yards out of bounds. I wonder who kidnapped his family?

by Tom on Dec 1, 2007 11:03 PM EST reply actions  

Musburger is having a hankering for some Buckeye balls….

by BurritoBrosShits on Dec 1, 2007 11:04 PM EST reply actions  

All couches in the tri-state area breathe a sigh of relief…

Not so fast Pittsburgh metro sofas….

by Thor on Dec 1, 2007 11:04 PM EST reply actions  

LSU/tOSU in the BCS Championship is the consensus?

by BurritoBrosShits on Dec 1, 2007 11:05 PM EST reply actions  

the BCS is totally fucked if OK wins over Missou….I think it’s tOSU v. LSU in the championship game

by jamiedawg on Dec 1, 2007 11:06 PM EST reply actions  

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.

by CouchBurnin'Girl on Dec 1, 2007 11:06 PM EST reply actions  

#414…I like it…TWO SEC National Champs!

by Aerobab on Dec 1, 2007 11:06 PM EST reply actions  

Seriously, how the fuck do you lose to Pitt? PITT!

Steve Slaton: 9 carries for 9 yards. What the fuck is going on with him?

by Jack on Dec 1, 2007 11:06 PM EST reply actions  

I’d like to officially except the invite to New Orleans on behalf of “Luckeye” nation. I’d like to thank everyone who lost.

by poguemahone on Dec 1, 2007 11:07 PM EST reply actions  

It has to be LSU, right?

by Rob G on Dec 1, 2007 11:07 PM EST reply actions  

Penn Wagers…you have met your match. Rich Rodriguez should still send that ref some flowers, though.

by DirkDawggler on Dec 1, 2007 11:08 PM EST reply actions  

USC has to be kicking themselves. Then again, so do about 5 other teams.

by D-nice on Dec 1, 2007 11:08 PM EST reply actions  

401 Bill

Not so unreasonable in this crazy year!

by Stagecoach67 on Dec 1, 2007 11:09 PM EST reply actions  

Ok, everyone. Weigh in. If OK wins, who meets OSU? UGA, LSU or VT?

I vote UGA, they’re playing the best right now, and I’m totally and completely biased in favor of the Dawgs.

by Alex on Dec 1, 2007 11:09 PM EST reply actions  

Is the Big East going to turn into a real conference? Apparently they have to get up for more than two games a year from now on.

Georgia deserves a shot. I hate those bastards, but I think they should get to be the ones to stomp AN ohio state university

by Thor on Dec 1, 2007 11:10 PM EST reply actions  

Definitely LSU. UGA got hot all of a sudden.

by BurritoBrosShits on Dec 1, 2007 11:10 PM EST reply actions  

Geaux Oklahoma!!!!

by LSU Harleyman on Dec 1, 2007 11:10 PM EST reply actions  

Uh-oh.

I’m a Georgia fan. I am conflicted between wishing for the best possible outcome for my alma mater’s team, and the fact that I don’t think a team that did not win it’s conference championship should play for the national title ahead of other conference champions with similar records.

Although, UGA last lost on October 6. Every other team in the BCS top 10 has had a more frequent loss.

Oh, well.

Go Sooners!

by Rival on Dec 1, 2007 11:11 PM EST reply actions  

I can’t wait for TAFKATOSUB to make another appearance…the way he pushes all your buttons is endlessly amusing.

by notthequarterback on Dec 1, 2007 11:12 PM EST reply actions  

to 430:

Winning six in a row is hardly all of a sudden.

by Alex on Dec 1, 2007 11:12 PM EST reply actions  

I hope LSU doesn’t get in, I’m so tired of them. They probably are the best team, but it’s only because they have so much talent. They mail it in half the time and play like they don’t even practice during the week. I would rather see somebody who acts like they want it play in the game instead.

by Tom on Dec 1, 2007 11:12 PM EST reply actions  

How else was this fucked up season supposed to end? Did I say fucked up? I meant to say Bee-yoo-Ta-fulll!!!

by MorningBeer on Dec 1, 2007 11:12 PM EST reply actions  

I hate comparing losses, but LSU lost twice in many OTs. UGA got blown out by UT (and the loss to the Cocks). Not to mention UGA didn’t even make the SEC championship game.

Obviously, LSU goes over VT.

/conveniently ignoring Kansas and USC.

I think it’s clear, let’s send Florida =)

by Rob G on Dec 1, 2007 11:13 PM EST reply actions  

#421… as long as that SEC team is NOT Georgia… please, please, please… LSU LSU LSU…

by GatorAM on Dec 1, 2007 11:13 PM EST reply actions  

If Hawaii runs the table and doesn’t get the MNC over a 2 loss team, man, what a travishamockery, especially in this year of huge upsets.

by NewAZTiger on Dec 1, 2007 11:14 PM EST reply actions  

I HATE LSU, but I think they deserve it. 2 overtime losses. 6-1 vs. ranked teams. No one else has that good of a resume.

by D-nice on Dec 1, 2007 11:14 PM EST reply actions  

ESPN is going to do everything they can to get USC in that title game, be ready for it.

by Thor on Dec 1, 2007 11:14 PM EST reply actions  

428: How about USC? At least they won their conference! Regardless, it’ll be interesting to see how the polls come out as writers and coaches try to change their balloting to see their picks get into the NC game. And who knows what the computers will do? Maybe they’ll short-circuit…

by SantaBarbaraWahoo on Dec 1, 2007 11:15 PM EST reply actions  

Jim Ross is standing on the OU sideline next to DeMarco Murray.

Stunner! Stunner! Stone Cold Stoops just stunned the BCS!

by tater on Dec 1, 2007 11:15 PM EST reply actions  

LSU splits too many votes w/ Va Tech. It’s UGA vs. OSU.

by Bobby Decatur on Dec 1, 2007 11:15 PM EST reply actions  

How about this crazy scenario. SEC Team 1 goes to the title and beats OSU. SEC Team 2 goes to the Sugar, and loses to Hawaii. How does Hawaii not get the AP title? END OF THE WORLD

by Rob G on Dec 1, 2007 11:15 PM EST reply actions  

Obviously, I was naive to post a question involving UGA going to the MNC game on a predominately UF site…

Although Rob G makes a very good point. Maybe we should say who we think shold go, and who we think WILL go, if they’re different teams.

by Alex on Dec 1, 2007 11:16 PM EST reply actions  

I’ve been quite all season, fearing that I would jinx WVU. Fuck that – game off. And I’m going to try to call in tomorrow.

All I’m asking is for the title game NOT to include VT. PLEASE, not VT.

OSU v. LSU?? I wouldn’t mind seeing Georgia in the game, but it can’t be Georgia. Or can it…. INMATES ARE RUNNING THE ASYLUM.

by CouchBurnin'Girl on Dec 1, 2007 11:16 PM EST reply actions  

444, wouldn’t LSU be more likely to split votes with UGA? SEC voting block, and all.

by Rob G on Dec 1, 2007 11:17 PM EST reply actions  

ohio state hasn’t beaten a top 20 team in over a year…

by 91 to 95 are hazy on Dec 1, 2007 11:17 PM EST reply actions  

Wowsers, I think my brain is fried thinking about all the BCs implications. Question: If Hawaii runs the table(IF), where do they turn up?

by BurritoBrosShits on Dec 1, 2007 11:18 PM EST reply actions  

To those arguing for Georgia…

You all… Or Y’all… Were for the huskers a few years back, right?

by brawndo on Dec 1, 2007 11:18 PM EST reply actions  

poguemahone @ 423

So if you except an invitation, does that mean you’re not going?

by PW on Dec 1, 2007 11:18 PM EST reply actions  

Oh fuck, do you see what I see?
It’s subcommandante wayne.
FUCK FUCK FUCK
If Hawaii beats Washington they have as good an OOC win as tOSU. Hawaii versus LSU in the BCS championship game.

Also, fuck you Orson — this weekend proves we need a playoff.

by Lars on Dec 1, 2007 11:21 PM EST reply actions  

I’ve been quite all season, fearing that I would jinx WVU. Fuck that – game off.

I just don’t want VT in the title game. PLEASE, not VT.

OSU v. LSU?? I wouldn’t mind seeing Georgia in the game, but it can’t be Georgia. Or can it…. INMATES ARE RUNNING THE ASYLUM.

by CouchBurnin'Girl on Dec 1, 2007 11:21 PM EST reply actions  

The BCS is so freakin screwed it isn’t even funny, you are about to see the perfect storm for a playoff system.

What the hell, I vote for Hawaii if they pull it off with Washington tonight. I still hold that Marshall could have taken it all in ‘99, maybe this could be the mid-major’s revenge.

by k00laid on Dec 1, 2007 11:21 PM EST reply actions  

Has to be LSU.

They won their conference, which Georgia did not. Both have 2 losses.

LSU and VT have 2 losses. LSU smoked VT.

Kansas did not win their conference.

I thought the MNC wouldn’t take any non-conference winners.

So where do more couches burn tonight? Morgantown or Columbus?

by dudis41 on Dec 1, 2007 11:21 PM EST reply actions  

Not only does Pitt win, they do it with the Big East officials pulling for WVU. Now how in the hell does this happen? WVUs only TD came after the personal foul on 3rd down. Pitt wrapped up the game twice before being called for mystery holdings. Then no pass interference on WVU after the second mystery hold. Holy crap.

by Jon C on Dec 1, 2007 11:21 PM EST reply actions  

Has to be LSU, assuming OU doesn’t gack this one away. Georgia didn’t win their division, much less their conference; VT got annihilated by said LSU team; USC lost to freakin’ Stanford; Kansas’s best win might be Central Michigan; Hawaii won’t have a win better than Washington.

by SpartanDan on Dec 1, 2007 11:23 PM EST reply actions  

Still 10 minutes – the Mizz can still pull it out… err maybe not.

tOSU v Hawaii!

by d-dub on Dec 1, 2007 11:23 PM EST reply actions  

As an Auburn alumnus, it kills me to say this, but I think Georgia should play for it.

by Gurn on Dec 1, 2007 11:24 PM EST reply actions  

Maaaaaoooooowwwwwwwwwwwwww

by lawyah marymount on Dec 1, 2007 11:25 PM EST reply actions  

LSU vs UGA for the MNC.

by stapler on Dec 1, 2007 11:25 PM EST reply actions  

You can hear the team yelling at each other in the background of WVU’s press conference. Sad.

by BurritoBrosShits on Dec 1, 2007 11:25 PM EST reply actions  

The way this season has gone, I have four words for everyone:

Hawaii Warriors: National Champs

by SantaBarbaraWahoo on Dec 1, 2007 11:25 PM EST reply actions  

Well Either Way, Georgia isn’t going to the Rose or orange Bowl, you can book your ticket to New Orleans Either Way.

by corey bailey on Dec 1, 2007 11:26 PM EST reply actions  

  1. - Actually I was for the Huskers, I was AGAINST OU in 2003.

I think it will be OSU vs LSU
I think it should be USC vs UGA

Either way it is more feces piled upon the BCS system, which is always a good thing.

by Thor on Dec 1, 2007 11:26 PM EST reply actions  

Somebody get me Gary Danielson’s checklist. Stat! Seeing how there are two SEC possibilities Gary’s brain might fry trying to justify both of them making it in.

by maskedavenger on Dec 1, 2007 11:26 PM EST reply actions  

Arkansas hung half a hundred on LSU!!!!!!!! Half a goddamn hundred!!!!!!!!1 Put them Dawgs in the title game!!!!!!!!!!

by stapler on Dec 1, 2007 11:26 PM EST reply actions  

455: Yep – Marshall got screwed. Randy Moss was on that team. No one in college could’ve covered him.

Hawaii should go.

by NewAZTiger on Dec 1, 2007 11:26 PM EST reply actions  

448, not a bad point.

So then what?

by Bobby Decatur on Dec 1, 2007 11:27 PM EST reply actions  

UGA vs. USC in the Rose Bowl
LSU vs. the Suckeyes in the title game

LSU destroys tOSU

Rose gets the best game

WVA vs. VT in the Orange

by Will on Dec 1, 2007 11:28 PM EST reply actions  

#457, glad you brought that up, that was some of the biggest BS calls I have ever seen and is the first time i can recall i thought a game might be fixed by a conference to get their team in the MNC

by Thor on Dec 1, 2007 11:28 PM EST reply actions  

God damn it. If my Dawgs don’t get into the BCS national championship game then my faith in the BCS system is fuckin’ over! Fuckin’ over, I said!!! FUCKIN’ OVER!!!!!!!!!!

by stapler on Dec 1, 2007 11:28 PM EST reply actions  

466,

Yeah, after being given the ball on LSU’s 25 3 possessions in a row after time had expired. Half a hundred doesn’t have the same cachet if you don’t do it in regulation.

by PW on Dec 1, 2007 11:30 PM EST reply actions  

Why not the Sooners? Beating the #1 team on the road for the conference championship gives them a hell of an argument. Of course, losses to two unranked teams don’t help.

by Harris on Dec 1, 2007 11:30 PM EST reply actions  

If anyone can make a defendable claim that UGA deserves in, let’s hear it. It was bullshit when Nebraska got in without winning their conference, but Georgia is taking that to a new level by not winning their own DIVISION. Also, shouldn’t LSU have a tiebreaker over VT as a result of the pummeling they gave the Hokies?

by Dr. William S. McPimpslap, MD on Dec 1, 2007 11:30 PM EST reply actions  

Why not Hawaii?

Their schedule blew goats, but it wasn’t for a lack of trying. Multiple teams either pulled out or wouldn’t play them this year. Wouldn’t you kids enjoy watching Hawaii beating OSU? I know I would.

by brawndo on Dec 1, 2007 11:30 PM EST reply actions  

If it is OSU vs SEC (LSU or Georgia), the pre-game hype will be real fun, considering last year.

by Rob G on Dec 1, 2007 11:30 PM EST reply actions  

467-

Actually that was the year after Moss left when Pennington was a senior. They went 13-0 beating the crap out of a good BYU team in the Motor City Bowl.

Of course it’s hard to be a Herd fan these days…

by k00laid on Dec 1, 2007 11:30 PM EST reply actions  

I think that, among 2 loss teams (LSU, VT, OK, USC, ASU, WVa and any others I am missing) & Kansas (1 loss) & undefeated Hawaii………USC is the best team, with Oklahoma next.

That said, you just KNOW that the powers that be will make sure New Orleans gets their hometown Tigers. There reallly should be some way to avoid a team playing a home game for the MNC. Really unfair. Made Texas NC all that much better, that they beat USC in the Rose Bowl.

by Stagecoach67 on Dec 1, 2007 11:30 PM EST reply actions  

Please leave USC out of any MNC discussion – Rose Bowl is quite enough after losing to Stanford. kthanxbai.

by DC Trojan on Dec 1, 2007 11:31 PM EST reply actions  

465 -

Maybe we can have 2 SEC teams in the MNC, 2 more in the Sugar Bowl, then just divide each national title 6 ways and award all 12 SEC teams a piece since it’s obv the deepest conference in the nation…right?

by notthequarterback on Dec 1, 2007 11:33 PM EST reply actions  

384 wins best ‘futbol not football’ reference of the day.

Way to fade, Mizzou. It’s been happening all year.

by Flatlander on Dec 1, 2007 11:36 PM EST reply actions  

I’m as big a Georgia homer as they come, but I don’t think LSU deserves it any more than any other two-loss team. They got beaten by two unranked teams, and frankly, they’ve had two shots at getting into the MNC game already this year and dropped the ball on both of them. Give someone else a shot.

And yes, Georgia would be nice, but they’ll be in there next year anyway.

by Will on Dec 1, 2007 11:36 PM EST reply actions  

Hey does this still mean that the Gators play the Zooks? I think we get Michigan now. Shit who wants to get Tebow’d?

by BurritoBrosShits on Dec 1, 2007 11:36 PM EST reply actions  

UGA tied for its god damn division you fuckin’ douche bags!!! So quit sayn’ they didn’t win it. Put them Dawgs in the MNC! LSU have up half a hundred to Houston Nutt!!!! LSU lost on a field where MSU won for fucks sake!! LSwho is a bunch of frauds! Phonies!!!! How ’bout them Dawgs!!! Put them Dawgs in the MNC!!!!!!!!!

by stapler on Dec 1, 2007 11:37 PM EST reply actions  

#474, Nebraska was in the same situation, Colorado won the division that year.

#475, the “teams pulling out” excuse won’t work, Auburn had Georgia Tech and Southern Miss pull out on them in 04, AND Auburn ended up having to play the Citadel when Oklahoma bought Bowling Green away from them.

by Thor on Dec 1, 2007 11:37 PM EST reply actions  

HOLD ON….

There was a late flag just thrown….another phantom

holding call on poor #88….the teams are being called

back out on the field.

by bucks_fan_mi on Dec 1, 2007 11:39 PM EST reply actions  

yes – I will be a little one-sided.

It ain’t who won how many games as it is who won against top 25 (when they played them). anyone better than LSU?

by LSU Harleyman on Dec 1, 2007 11:39 PM EST reply actions  

Agree with R479 (DC Trojan) about USC. Probably playing well enought right now to play in the MNC, won their conference, and rebounded once they got healthy.

But, they simply don’t deserve it with the Stanford loss.

by D-nice on Dec 1, 2007 11:39 PM EST reply actions  

I do not generally complain about officiating. For the most part, I think that those who complain about officiating are wasting their time and sound like “sore losers” (for a back of a better term).

That said, someone needs to conduct an investigation of that officiating crew. Wannstedt looked liked an idiot, stomping around on one foot and complaining about the calls. But he had a point. It would have been criminal if Pitt had not won that game.

by Brandon Lang on Dec 1, 2007 11:40 PM EST reply actions  

I’m thinking I may prefer playing USC in the Rose over the insane distractions that a controversial berth in the "national championship’ would bear. Fuck it, let’s go to Pasedena.

by Bobby Decatur on Dec 1, 2007 11:41 PM EST reply actions  

HOLD ON….

 There was a late flag ….another phantom holding call

 on poor #88….the teams are being called back out on

 the field.

by bucks_fan_mi on Dec 1, 2007 11:41 PM EST reply actions  

so the illini have no shot at rose now i take it? may not even make a BCS game either unless Hawaii goes down.

by Duke of C-U on Dec 1, 2007 11:41 PM EST reply actions  

Is anyone else sick of that fucking Dr. Pepper commercial?

by BurritoBrosShits on Dec 1, 2007 11:42 PM EST reply actions  

As far as I’m concerned, LSU, Georgia, and Tennessee finished in a three-way tie for the SEC title. Why should I give any credence to the arbitrary way they divided up the teams for their cash-grab extra game? They all had two conference losses. Why do some of you give what is essentially an accident of geography so much importance?

by Tom on Dec 1, 2007 11:43 PM EST reply actions  

OK, class, let me summarize the 2007 CF season for you:

There are 119 Division 1 football teams. 118 of them have a legitimate claim to play in this year’s MNC game. You know, Notre Dame being unique as it is, and all…

Class dismissed

by Stagecoach67 on Dec 1, 2007 11:43 PM EST reply actions  

Stapler, I agree with you that Georgia deserves a shot at the MNC, but your excessive exclamation points and calling people douchebags makes you look like a jackass.

Also, MSU was actually pretty decent this year. Oh yeah, and UGA lost to a 6-6 team at home.

by PW on Dec 1, 2007 11:44 PM EST reply actions  

DR. Pepper? I am – damn it was funny the first 300 times

by LSU Harleyman on Dec 1, 2007 11:44 PM EST reply actions  

#483

Illinois certainly does not want to get Tebow’ed….

by brawndo on Dec 1, 2007 11:44 PM EST reply actions  

#471

FUCK YOU ASSHOLE

Imagine being an Auburn fan in ’04. Go win your fucking division, dipshit.

by Wes on Dec 1, 2007 11:45 PM EST reply actions  

Really, who wouldn’t want to see this 8 team playoff:
Round 1:
OSU vs WVU
UGA vs Oklahoma
USC:Va Tech
LSU:Hawaii

Round 2:
WVU v Oklahoma
USC v LSU

Real National Championship
LSU v WVU

Orson is a playoff really that bad.

by Lars on Dec 1, 2007 11:45 PM EST reply actions  

To 496:

Well, they were 1-0 at the time…

by Alex on Dec 1, 2007 11:45 PM EST reply actions  

okay…so when are they announcing the BCS shit? tomorrow on stupid FOX with TErry Bradshaw and those clowns?

by jamiedawg on Dec 1, 2007 11:46 PM EST reply actions  

It’s systems like the BCS that started World War 1.

Honestly thats how it happened, that war was stupid.

by hangonskoky on Dec 1, 2007 11:48 PM EST reply actions  

I think Orson will be a BCS fan much as those people who still believe the South should have won the War of Northern Aggresion.

by BurritoBrosShits on Dec 1, 2007 11:48 PM EST reply actions  

Wow, Hawaii look like midgets compared to the Huskies.

by corey bailey on Dec 1, 2007 11:49 PM EST reply actions  

Please someone, cut Desmond’s mike cord

by bucks_fan_mi on Dec 1, 2007 11:49 PM EST reply actions  

Nerves are getting frayed, tempers are heating up…

Whatever happens, I’d love to hear the inside story about all the shenanigans which will surely go down in the next 24 hours. Strong arming voters, sweetheart deals, computer polls mysteriously getting “glitches” , then spitting out unexpected rankings which just happen to make everything ok. Should be fun.

by Steve on Dec 1, 2007 11:50 PM EST reply actions  

Hawaii just had 7 put on them. If someone told me this would happen to day I would ask where I could procure some of the choice, dank-ass cheeba he’d be smoking.

by BurritoBrosShits on Dec 1, 2007 11:51 PM EST reply actions  

uh, how many times was LSU ranked #1 and choked? I lost count.

by stapler on Dec 1, 2007 11:51 PM EST reply actions  

#508: You’re that surprised that Hawaii gave up a touchdown?

by Tom on Dec 1, 2007 11:52 PM EST reply actions  

it will be LSU and tOSU….period.

by jamiedawg on Dec 1, 2007 11:53 PM EST reply actions  

stapler @ 509

2.

by PW on Dec 1, 2007 11:53 PM EST reply actions  

it will be LSU and tOSU….period. God just told me.

by jamiedawg on Dec 1, 2007 11:53 PM EST reply actions  

So let me get this straight. LSU, who the pollsters had ranked lower than Georgia and Kansas – even when they knew neither team could win their division – and the VTech team they beat way back when the Mets were still playing meaningful baseball, will get to leapfrog all of them now that there’s an opening in the BCS Bowl.

Alrighty. Totally makes sense.

by Doug H. on Dec 1, 2007 11:54 PM EST reply actions  

In case you all are wondering…

Couches (or something else flammable) are burning in Oakland…

Oakland being the part of Pittsburgh were Pitt’s campus is situated.

by dudis41 on Dec 1, 2007 11:55 PM EST reply actions  

Per my own note at 495

Change the numbers to 120 total, 119 deserving. I forgot to give Appy State their battlefield promotion.

by Stagecoach67 on Dec 1, 2007 11:55 PM EST reply actions  

Jim Tressel pisses excellence…conservative excellence

by David Williams on Dec 1, 2007 11:58 PM EST reply actions  

As a Dawg fan, I can honestly say that I supported Nebraska in 2001. Not Okalahoma in 2003, but there was a clearly better ‘resume’ that year. In 2001 it was a cluster, and there is no way to convince me that Oregon (weak schedule, one loss) or Colorado (b12 champ, beat Nebraska, but two losses) ‘deserved’ it over Nebraska. Sometimes the season is just a mess, and if you have to pick two teams to fight it out then the mess will be reflected in your choice.

I’m not saying Georgia is clearly the team that does deserve it, just that holding them out for not winning the SEC is a bogus reason. Tom already pointed out the geographical oddity of it all. Why not just pretend it’s 1988 and there was a three way tie for the SEC?

What I do know is this: last week the poll voters in all major polls said that Georgia was the #4 team in the country. They had them ranked higher than any other SEC team, and higher than other teams playing for conf champs, knowing full well that the Dawgs would not be in the conf champ game. Nothing has changed about any of that to make people think that LSU suddenly became ‘better’ than Georgia. Crap, the LSU AD was ROOTING for Tennessee the last three weeks. Everybody knows that LSU didn’t want to play Georgia today in that game.

Georgia was supposedly #4 last week and now two teams ahead of them have lost. Put them #2. I’m not asking for them to jump ahead of the two loss pack all of a sudden. They’ve been the highest ranked two-loss team for a month. This year, this crazy year, a 2 loss team is getting into the game. It’s crazy, nobody expected it, but it is happening. All the teams other people are arguing for also have 2 losses. It feels icky, but there is no way around it. But Georgia has been king of that particular hill, and they have done nothing to deserve to drop. They are universally recognized as one of the best teams at this moment (along with USC).

Finally, I pulled for the Gators last season to do the SEC proud and beat the Buckeyes, and I relished it when they did so. The proprietors of this blog are kind gentlemen, and I’ll bet they will secretly feel okay if Georgia gets to do the same thing this year. :-)

by Xon on Dec 2, 2007 12:00 AM EST reply actions  

Decisions, decisions…
Do I root against an overrated OSU team and stick with the SEC or do I root against an LSU team that has proven they don’t deserve to be #1 and will have leapfrogged my Dogs?
Maybe UGA can whip Hawaii and then fans can burn down the Superdome thus screwing the BCS and both of the teams (which UGA would beat).

by fotodog on Dec 2, 2007 12:01 AM EST reply actions  

LSU and Georgia need to hire Urban Meyer to whine

for them to get into the nat’l championship game.

by bucks_fan_mi on Dec 2, 2007 12:02 AM EST reply actions  

I’m gettin’ sick and tired of all this LSU crap. It’s like for some unknown god damn reason they were just meant to play in the MNC no matter what. They’ve had their fucking chances and they choked them all away. They dont deserve a third chance and its an intellectual travesty to imply that they do. UGA clearly deserves to play in the MNC, period. End of discussion. LSwho lost the last game of their regular season to Arkansas, in a game where they gave up something like 500 points and 5000 yards. Give me a fuckin’ break. People can seriously fucking say that these frauds should have a chance at the title? Its delusional to even imply that. LSU had a decent season. Put em in the Sugar as a cosulation prize but it is shameful as all hell to put them in the MNC. Downright fucking shameful. The Dawgs deserve the shot. Open up your damn eyes, people. The trees are blocking the view of the forest, I guess.

by stapler on Dec 2, 2007 12:04 AM EST reply actions  

Food for thought, LSU has never beaten tOSU. We’re in and I don’t give a fuck who we play. Pretty good for a rebuilding year.

by Crabapple Buck on Dec 2, 2007 12:04 AM EST reply actions  

Kansas should go before UGA.

They only have 1 loss and are in a BCS conference, they didn’t win their division, and they didn’t win their conference, just like UGA.

by NewAZTiger on Dec 2, 2007 12:05 AM EST reply actions  

It doesn’t matter who goes to the MNC game, the winner of the Sugar Bowl, whether it be LSU, Georgia, or Hawaii, will claim a share of the national championship.

How could they be denied?

by PW on Dec 2, 2007 12:05 AM EST reply actions  

VT < LSU, so they are out.
OU < CU, so they are out.
KU < so many teams …
USC < Stanford, so they are out, though I say through clenched teeth they are playing better than anyone else right now.

So this really comes down to UGA vs. LSU, and I think you have to go with the conference champion, no matter how unimpressive they looked today. Sorry Dawgs.

FWIW, if I’m a voter, I’m telling the BCS to fuck itself and voting for Hawaii at #2.

by Eirishis on Dec 2, 2007 12:06 AM EST reply actions  

#517

Nice post. Couldn’t agree more.

by Will on Dec 2, 2007 12:06 AM EST reply actions  

VT < LSU, so they are out.
OU < CU, so they are out.
KU < so many teams …
USC < Stanford, so they are out, though I say through clenched teeth they are playing better than anyone else right now.

So this really comes down to UGA vs. LSU, and I think you have to go with the conference champion, no matter how unimpressive they looked today. Sorry Dawgs.

FWIW, if I’m a voter, I’m telling the BCS to fuck itself and voting for Hawaii at #2.

Of course, I say that, and they are losing to UW 14-0 in the first.

MAO!

by Eirishis on Dec 2, 2007 12:08 AM EST reply actions  

517,
      Good points all, but now LSU has the same number of losses as Georgia but one more win. Shouldn’t that be considered byt the voters tonight?

by Ben on Dec 2, 2007 12:08 AM EST reply actions  

I love the logical gymnastics that Dawg fans are doing to justify earning a trip to the national championship by sitting home and watching another team with an identical record win the championship of their same conference. Yes last week the pollsters thought Georgia was number 4. So what? It’s a poll silly. It’s a popularity contest. Are you just now realizing that people’s opinions shouldn’t factor into crowning the championship?

Any idle team faces the possibility of being leapfrogged. Want to play for a national championship? Then MAKE PLAYS!

by Sagacious Saurian on Dec 2, 2007 12:08 AM EST reply actions  

Before you make your choice, ask yourself two questions
1) If West Virginia and Missouri had not lost, would you honestly still vote LSU over Georgia? And Kansas? What about Virginia Tech?

2) What is a more damning result to the system we have. Having current #4 Georgia going to the BCS championship game after #1 & 2 lose, without winning a conference championship? Or having a system in which the voters ranki teams obligatorily and arbitrarily until the final week?

by ask yourself this on Dec 2, 2007 12:10 AM EST reply actions  

-522, NewAZTiger,

congrats, you just won stupidest comment of the year.

by stapler on Dec 2, 2007 12:10 AM EST reply actions  

Xon # 517

Last year, Michigan was #2 after losing to OSU. The next week after not playing, Michigan was #3 behind USC. The next week, after not playing, Michigan was #3 behind Florida.

I sure hope you were using the same logic you are using this year last year. Teams sliding up when not losing and all that.

by maskedavenger on Dec 2, 2007 12:11 AM EST reply actions  

There’s no way to solve this.

Wait, yes there is. On the field.

Oops.

Oh, yeah, and bye bye Hawaii.

by Mike on Dec 2, 2007 12:11 AM EST reply actions  

It doesn’t matter who goes to the MNC game, the winner of the Sugar Bowl, whether it be LSU, Georgia, or Hawaii, will claim a share of the national championship.

How could they be denied?

You’re putting way too much faith in this system. Just a few years ago an undefeated BCS conference champ was rewarded with a big pile of nothing.

by Steve on Dec 2, 2007 12:11 AM EST reply actions  

We all agree that tOSU should be in the MNC, but does anyone think that they have a chance in hell at winning the damn thing? Regardless of who they play.

by stapler on Dec 2, 2007 12:13 AM EST reply actions  

So let me get this straight. LSU, who the pollsters had ranked lower than Georgia and Kansas – even when they knew neither team could win their division – and the VTech team they beat way back when the Mets were still playing meaningful baseball, will get to leapfrog all of them now that there’s an opening in the BCS Bowl.

Alrighty! Totally makes sense.

by Doug H. on Dec 2, 2007 12:13 AM EST reply actions  

As Coach Mark Richt himself just pointed out on Sportscenter, though, winning your conference is not a requirement for the MNC. It’s been voted on before and it has never been accepted as a requirement. You want to change that next year, fine, but don’t knock Georgia fans for trying to justify a chance at the MNC.

by Will on Dec 2, 2007 12:14 AM EST reply actions  

Can any UGA homers explain to me how LSU winning its conference and jumping an idle team with as many losses as it has to play for the national title is any different from what Florida did to Michigan last season?

by notthequarterback on Dec 2, 2007 12:14 AM EST reply actions  

There is NO rule that you have win your Conference to be in the BCS MNC game….its up to the voters, and I dont see why Georgia shouldn’t be vs tOSU.
LSU won the conference with their back up QB and without Glenn Dorsey..granted vs Tenn….Point blank,
Georgia/LSU will throttle tSOU anyway in tOSU’s “rebuilding year”…IS there are rule about punching Jesse Palmer?? Its up to the voters….I would love to see a healthy, peaking LSU team playing for a MNC vs tOSU that hasnt played a down in 3 weeks…..Georgia, though, is the best SEC team that is healthy and my God, dangerous….Georgia gets in….they win by default……..I would hope the voters would put USC/ OU vs Georgia and dump tOSU by principle alone……..

by Mr Pelican Pants on Dec 2, 2007 12:15 AM EST reply actions  

Like LSU made plays against mediocre Arkansas?

Like I said, Saurian, it’s a cluster and nobody can claim to get ‘screwed.’ I’m only pointing out that UGA will have nothing to apologize for if they get in, and there is a perfectly logical argument for them to get in.

Conf champ games are crap. They’re fun, but they’re crap.

by Xon on Dec 2, 2007 12:15 AM EST reply actions  

LSU has lost twice since Georgia last lost! They 2 losses in their last 7 games!!!

by Dawg 05 on Dec 2, 2007 12:15 AM EST reply actions  

  1. - hardly. I’ve made much stupider comments.

UGA and KU are very similar with regards to their record in that regard.

UGA lost to UT and USC. The Gamecocks are 6-6. KU lost to Mizzou – a 10-2 team that was #1 as of today.

LSU has 1 more win, the same number of losses, and should go above UGA, being that they are UGA’s conference champions.

by NewAZTiger on Dec 2, 2007 12:15 AM EST reply actions  

I HATE ALL THAT IS ESPN! DAMN YOU ESPN! How in all that is Holy can you completely ignore any and all talk of even considering Oklahoma for the national title? All they did was dominate the (not really #1, but in ranking) #1 team in the country. They’ve got the same record as UGa and LSU…yet…nada. What the crap? Seriously, I’m losing my shit here. I’m feeling like an Auburn fan from a few years back (but, I have all my original teeth). DAMNIT!

by them oklahoma on Dec 2, 2007 12:17 AM EST reply actions  

Also, for the dopes (not here but elsewhere) that will continue to argue against a playoff because it will make the regular season less exciting … name the four teams for that precious “plus one”, also known as the dumbest solution ever.

Can’t do it? OK, name eight teams. Name them right now. The six conference champs (my order: OSU, LSU, USC, OU, VT, WVU) plus UGA and KU as the wildcards? What about Hawaii? What about Florida? Arizona State? What about Mizzou, who beat everyone but OU?

My point – a playoff won’t make the regular season less exciting. It will just make the post-season more exciting. (Oh, and they could keep ALL of the bowls, even the Weed Eater Bowl … but that’s a much longer post)

by Eirishis on Dec 2, 2007 12:18 AM EST reply actions  

The BCS Formula is easy….Dont fuckin lose games your supposed to win and there will be no controversy….dont lose at all , but play no competition and you will be on the outside looking in..(Hawaii)
I think Georgia would beat LSU..so I put Georgia based on a solid team with a solid coach who isnt going anywhere….Georgia to win MNC by 14pts….Write it down……I’m laying some serious lumber if Georgia gets to play tSOU……

by Mr Pelican Pants on Dec 2, 2007 12:19 AM EST reply actions  

Hey Stapler, maybe if the game against Tennessee could have been within 20 points you could get some support for your argument.

by Thor on Dec 2, 2007 12:19 AM EST reply actions  

521 – -

They should probably also hire Meyer to COACH the game once they get there. Worked nicely last year.

by he15man on Dec 2, 2007 12:20 AM EST reply actions  

If Poodle just did da Sanchez when Booty sucked balls against Stanford, there would be no discussion. He has nobody to blame but his own damn self.

by Ed on Dec 2, 2007 12:20 AM EST reply actions  

519 sorry, not 521

by he15man on Dec 2, 2007 12:21 AM EST reply actions  

And Hawaii’s now down 21-0. So the whole ’Let’s fuck shit up and put Hawaii in’ faction looks to be dwindling.

by GamecockTX on Dec 2, 2007 12:21 AM EST reply actions  

If anyone’s checking, Hawaii is down by 21. In the first quarter. Looks like that wrench in the works will be gone shortly…

by Kegger on Dec 2, 2007 12:22 AM EST reply actions  

542: You forgot – win out and be the odd man out.

16 team playoff. Conference champs, 5 wild cards chosen by BCS methodology.

by NewAZTiger on Dec 2, 2007 12:22 AM EST reply actions  

@ 531

If you’re going to compare their losses, then let’s do also compare the teams they’ve beaten.

Kansas’ signature victory was … beating then-ranked #24 Kansas State?

by Sutpen on Dec 2, 2007 12:23 AM EST reply actions  

Nice to see Pete Carroll not politic for his team on ESPN. He just said he’d love to play for it, but it wa pretty obvious that he doesn’t think they deserve it , so is excited about the Rose Bowl.

by D-nice on Dec 2, 2007 12:23 AM EST reply actions  

whoops, #539.

by Sutpen on Dec 2, 2007 12:23 AM EST reply actions  

#537: I’m an Ohio State fan, but I can answer your question: The difference is that Georgia didn’t lose the last game of its season to the #1 team.

by Doug H. on Dec 2, 2007 12:24 AM EST reply actions  

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

YOUR BIG EAST CO-CHAMPIONS.

THE UNIVERSITY OF CONNECTICUT HUSKIES.*

*Had some issues vs. WVU pehaps worth noting.

by UConn Do It on Dec 2, 2007 12:24 AM EST reply actions  

It’s good to be Pete Carroll. The man has won 1 and 1/2 already and still can reasonably see more on the horizon so why sully himself chasing a spot he knows he isn’t going to get anyways.

by maskedavenger on Dec 2, 2007 12:25 AM EST reply actions  

404 ed — Nebraska fans says butch up. Try playing Miami in the Orange Bowl in their heyday.

by Albino Tornado on Dec 2, 2007 12:25 AM EST reply actions  

If your team doesn’t make it, don’t blame the Buckeyes. Blame losses to inferior Stanford, UK, UT, Arkansas, Colorado, Texas Tech, Auburn, Appy St, LSU, BC, etc. The bottom line: DON’T LOSE TO SHITTY TEAMS!

by Flattop on Dec 2, 2007 12:25 AM EST reply actions  

Boise State’s win over Oklahoma last year was an outlier. I know we value wins, no matter who the opponent, at some intrinsic level.

But, the constant calls for undefeated WAC, Mountain West, or MAC teams to play for the MNC is ridiculous. It really does make a difference who you play.

by D-nice on Dec 2, 2007 12:26 AM EST reply actions  

I think there are lots of good arguements for both LSU and UGA. I can’t think of many for OSU, bane of Yougstown, Acron, Kent State, Minnesota, Northwestern, and a delusional Purdue. For “quality wins” they beat turnover happy Penn State, Washington, the guys that lost to DIV II Appy State, Michigan State, and Wisconsin. Does any of the above make you think they earned a trip to the MNC?

by Ben on Dec 2, 2007 12:27 AM EST reply actions  

I’ll let the Evan Williams speak for me: Fuck you assHATS! UGA is playing the best ball in America. Does anyone think that UGA would not be a favorite against OSU or LSU?

by Dawg 05 on Dec 2, 2007 12:27 AM EST reply actions  

Kansas’ lone loss was to Mizzou, true.

But, ask yourself this: what’s Kansas’ best win this year?

30-24 Kansas State. Or 19-11, Texas A&M. Take your pick.

Not exactly beating Florida and Auburn convincingly.

by Jason on Dec 2, 2007 12:28 AM EST reply actions  

MAO motherfuckers!

LSU vs. tOSU for the championship! Bo Pelini to NU!

Jake Locker = chainsaw dick to Hawai’i, Stanford beat Cal, Pitt beat West f-ing Virgina [sic], and Mizzou predictably loses to OU.

The only question is whether Bo will leave LSU before the MNC game…gawd I hope so..

by Cochese on Dec 2, 2007 12:28 AM EST reply actions  

8 team playoff would work..hell this year it would be fucking awesome since it would weed out any top 5 posers….(KU,Mizzou,tOSU,WVU) pretty quick….that is where depth would come into play and the best, deepest team would win…that was Oregon and WVU problem, being able to win when your starting QB is injured…you put your whole season on one player, not the team, and that player gets put out, and so does your season…
#535
Michigan lost to tOSU…..at the end of the season where losing counts the most….Florida didnt, they won their conference and beat the shit out of tOSU,plus who would want to see tOSU beat Michigan again??
What I am seeing with the BCS is that you get penalized for losing later than losing earlier…..and thats what I think will cost LSU since it was only 2 weeks ago that they lost, and its been awhile since GA lost…True to BCS form, both LSU and Ga will find away to get screwed, Write it down….

by Mr Pelican Pants on Dec 2, 2007 12:29 AM EST reply actions  

At least every other year it seems like the same crap, “it’s a travesty, how can team x be promoted over team y” and then every other year there is the complaining and the gnashing of teeth and the wringing of hands and the paying off of pollsters.

Fix the system and give me a playoff. It’s not that hard: a plus one game would be OK but an 8 team playoff would be ideal.

Oh, and Huck Fawaii.

by Lars on Dec 2, 2007 12:30 AM EST reply actions  

Everyone deserves a shot a the MNC. Sometimes, if you’re lucky, you get two. But no one, and that includes LSwho, should get three fuckin’ chances at the MNC. Put UGA in the BCS MNC. That is the only noncontroversial decision that can be made. There is a consensus among serious followers of CFB that UGA deserves a national title shot, so everyone stop arguing about the bull shit.

by stapler on Dec 2, 2007 12:31 AM EST reply actions  

Per BCS rules, it seems as though Sugar has to consent to SEC team being chosen by the Rose… maybe the Illini make it now? I can’t see the Sugar settling for a Hawaii/Illini v. KU/MU game…

If a bowl loses a host team to the NCG, then such bowl shall select a replacement team from among the automatic-qualifying teams and the at-large teams before any other selections are made. If two bowls lose host teams to the NCG, each bowl will get a replacement pick before any other selections are made. In such case, the bowl losing the No. 1 team gets the first replacement pick, and the bowl losing the No. 2 team gets the second replacement pick. If the Rose Bowl loses both the Big Ten and Pac-10 champions to the NCG, it will receive two replacement picks.

A bowl choosing a replacement team may not select any of the following:

  A.A team in the NCG;
  B.The host team for another BCS Bowl;
  C. When two bowls lose host teams, then the bowl losing the number one team may not select a replacement team from the same Conference as the number two team, unless the bowl losing the number two team consents.

by Duke of C-U on Dec 2, 2007 12:32 AM EST reply actions  

  1. (Duke of CU): Actually, it means Illinois is almost certainly in the Rose Bowl. OSU is moving up to the title game (probably as BCS #1), so the Rose Bowl gets first pick. And they will take a Big Ten team if available (and with the Tennessee and BC losses, UI will be eligible).

stapler: You can’t count to two?

LSU lost damn close games twice against teams which are either ranked now or close to it. Georgia got beaten soundly by one ranked team and lost another game to a 6-6 team. The quality of wins is about the same (Georgia beat Florida and Auburn by bigger margins than LSU did, but LSU also has the evisceration of VT on its resume). The only plausible argument for Georgia over LSU is when they lost, and I don’t think that deserves anywhere near as much consideration as who they lost to and who they beat.

And Hawaii isn’t headed anywhere right now, it appears. They’re getting destroyed by Washington, 21-0 at the end of the first quarter.

by SpartanDan on Dec 2, 2007 12:32 AM EST reply actions  

Right now the two best teams from the two best conferences are conf champs LSU and USC.

Ohio State’s one loss season does not impress, weak conference, weaker out of conference games, Kent St, Akron and I forget the third. Are these four-year schools?

In the absence of a playoff system, USC-LSU would be the best game, by far.

by Harvey Wireman on Dec 2, 2007 12:32 AM EST reply actions  

Miles and his coach speak———They are trying to pin Les down on the phone on ESPN……………….if I was him Id hang up………

by Mr Pelican Pants on Dec 2, 2007 12:34 AM EST reply actions  

As a Texas fan, reading the ongoing debate is almost as fun as watching the games. The most COMPLETE team right this moment is Oklahoma, as difficult as that is to write. It would be interesting to know who Vegas would rate as the best.

by TexasMike on Dec 2, 2007 12:34 AM EST reply actions  

#562

Damn, dude, I’m a UGA homer, too, but a consensus?

by Will on Dec 2, 2007 12:34 AM EST reply actions  

#565
You are right…it would be the game that should have been back in 2003 when Okla… got in after getting slayed in their Conf championship

by Mr Pelican Pants on Dec 2, 2007 12:35 AM EST reply actions  

556

Anybody who says “Div II Appy State” has immediately lost any and all credibility with intelligent college football fans.

557

UGA is indeed on a roll. They MIGHT stay within 3 TDs of Tennessee….which would be an improvement over the last time those two teams played.

by notthequarterback on Dec 2, 2007 12:35 AM EST reply actions  

LSU lost in overtime. I guess that means that they almost won, so we should consider those losses as not as bad as UGA’s losses in regulation.

LSU also almost lost at least 3 of the games that they did win (just as much as they almost won the OT games).

UGA has won convincingly against Auburn, Florida, and Kentucky in the past 5 weeks. LSU had an insanely big break to win against Auburn, several huge breaks to win against UF, and lost to Kentucky.

LSU, USC, and OK have great cases for the MNC game, but I think UGA has as good a case as any of them.

by somedawg on Dec 2, 2007 12:36 AM EST reply actions  

I think Les Miles just gave a non-denial denial…I think he may be gone to MI….he was all evasive….

by jamiedawg on Dec 2, 2007 12:37 AM EST reply actions  

Les was just lickin’ a little ESPN sack trying to get in. Funny that the Gators & Aubies show up to discount the dawgs.

UGA will not play for the MNC because the media & ESPN don’t want the game. It will be LSU & tosu.

And as for the conference champs only can play for the MNC rule – ain’t gonna happen. If that were the case Notre Dame would never be able to play for the MNC, and we all know how much the media adores the domers.

by CLTDawg on Dec 2, 2007 12:38 AM EST reply actions  

LSU did not play like the #2 team in the nation today against UT. They did nothing on the field to indicate that they should jump UGA in the polls. Sorry, but that is the way it is. Put them Dawgs in the MNC!

by stapler on Dec 2, 2007 12:38 AM EST reply actions  

LSU deserves a shot. USC deserves a shot. UGA deserves a shot. WVU deserves a shot. OklaU deserves a shot.
But we…the unwashed. The dumb. The forgotten. The Fans. WE DESERVE A PLAYOFF.
I’m gonna go fix a drink and think about how guilty I’ll feel when LSU is in New Orleans beating concrete-feet tOSU in the MNC. A big drink. I’ll get over it.

by TigerNacho on Dec 2, 2007 12:38 AM EST reply actions  

>> Sometimes, if you’re lucky, you get two. But no one, and that includes LSwho, should get three fuckin’ chances at the MNC.

Georgia already blew two chances too – or have you managed to forget the loss to the OBC and the three-touchdown smackdown at the hands of Tennessee? For that matter, so has everyone not named Kansas and Hawaii (and Hawaii’s about to blow one).

by SpartanDan on Dec 2, 2007 12:38 AM EST reply actions  

#564

“damn close games against teams which are either ranked or close to it” sounds an awful lot like Lesspeak. Kind of like “unbeaten in regulation.”

I’m not saying Georgia is more deserving than the other two-loss teams, but I don’t think they’re less deserving either.

by Will on Dec 2, 2007 12:40 AM EST reply actions  

Its simply a damn shame that its all coming down to ESPN commentators quibbling about who is “more deserving”. at least we wont have to listen to Kirk Douchestreet lobbying for the Big Ten this year. When it comes down to it, none of the teams in the discussion is more deserving than the other. LSU is ranked low because they lost to Arkansas and Kentucky (4-4 and 3-5 in conference respectively). UGA is ranked high, but didn’t win their conference. Kansas lost to the only “good” team they played all year. Oklahoma lost to Colorado (whom FSU killed) and Texas Tech (High School offense). Ohio State sucks (see Glendale, AZ among numerous other arguments). Va Tech got killed by LSU and choked against Matt Ryan. USC lost to Stanford (at home). Mizzou is perhaps the most deserving team of the bunch (just bear with me here). Their two loses are both to Oklahoma, and although they suffer from the same flaw as Georgia (no conf championship) and Kansas (weak schedule), they have as strong an argument as anyone mentioned above. Unfortunately, this is all academic. There will be lots of face saving, lobbying, buck-passing, and calls for change that will, in the end, amount to all sound and fury signifying nothing.

I say give the championship to the Gators because, hey, what the hell…why not?

by NoLaGator on Dec 2, 2007 12:41 AM EST reply actions  

To #562, if UGA does not reach the MNC, and they play USC in the Rose Bowl, all hypothetical of course, do you think they would even be favored?
This season, there are no givens, and then some.
Come back tomorrow afternoon/evening and we can continue this season’s mess.

by TrojanRick on Dec 2, 2007 12:41 AM EST reply actions  

Just imagine what Stafford would do to Joe Cox if the Bulldogs made it to the national championship game…there would be more than just spooning

by David Williams on Dec 2, 2007 12:41 AM EST reply actions  

LSwho has been given the number one ranking twice and they’ve proven that they can’t handle it. UGA, on the other hand, has not.

by stapler on Dec 2, 2007 12:43 AM EST reply actions  

How about this?
LSU beats OSU in the MNC
Georgia wins the Sugar
USC wins the Rose

That has to be the most chaotic finish, right? Can’t split a title three ways.

by Rob G on Dec 2, 2007 12:44 AM EST reply actions  

Every one now – we need a Norma Jean moment.
“Playoff, playoff, playoff”

by TigerNacho on Dec 2, 2007 12:45 AM EST reply actions  

Stapler -

I’ve been there. I remember the frustration of watching a media consensus develop for Florida over Michigan at the absolute last minute.

Eventually you will get over it.

by maskedavenger on Dec 2, 2007 12:45 AM EST reply actions  

I’m more pissed off than before that Tennessee beat Kentucky because Georgia vs. LSU would have solved at least some of the problem.

I’m one of the few people who believes that Oklahoma now deserves the second slot. LSU hasn’t had a dominant 60-minute performance against a decent team since September and I’m disqualifying Kansas and Georgia because they didn’t win their conference.

by John on Dec 2, 2007 12:46 AM EST reply actions  

Welll its an appropriate ending before bowl season to a fucked up season….I guess if you start out ranked high and win all your patsy games, you dont drop far enought…this is why we hate preseason rankings….we are glaring in tOSU general direction…..let the coaches decide the real game, not the computers….

by Mr Pelican Pants on Dec 2, 2007 12:47 AM EST reply actions  

XON, where did you come from with all this rationality? Every body take a deep breath and listen to this man.

by hunglikehussain on Dec 2, 2007 12:47 AM EST reply actions  

Ohio State has no business in the title game! UGA vs. LSU!

by Dawg 05 on Dec 2, 2007 12:47 AM EST reply actions  

playoff

by TigerNacho on Dec 2, 2007 12:48 AM EST reply actions  

Has anyone asked if Tressel is going to abstain on his ballot again?

by John on Dec 2, 2007 12:48 AM EST reply actions  

This is what happens when you fire the Orgeron, all hell breaks loose.

by Lars on Dec 2, 2007 12:50 AM EST reply actions  

Wannastache in the MNC!!!!

by Mr Pelican Pants on Dec 2, 2007 12:50 AM EST reply actions  

  1. - agree.

For kicks … the eight team playoff (six major conference champs, two wildcards using BCS rules), with predicted seedings based on BCS standings:

  1. OSU vs. #8 WVU
  2. LSU vs. #7 KU
  3. UGA vs. #6 OU
  4. VT vs. #5 USC

For further kicks … the sixteen team playoff (all conference champs, five wildcards using BCS rules) with predicted seedings based on Sagarin rankings:

  1. OSU vs. #16 FAU
  2. LSU vs. #15 CMU
  3. UGA vs. #14 UCF
  4. VT vs. #13 BYU
  5. USC vs. #12 HAW
  6. OU vs. #11 ASU
  7. KU vs. #10 UF
  8. WVU vs. #9 MIZZOU

Seriously – who wouldn’t enjoy either of these?

by Eirishis on Dec 2, 2007 12:52 AM EST reply actions  

And tOSU has no business playing in the MNC. None.

by stapler on Dec 2, 2007 12:52 AM EST reply actions  

Playoff indeed….but it’s a Norma Rae moment, Tigernacho….

by jamiedawg on Dec 2, 2007 12:52 AM EST reply actions  

Are you sure the sweetheart deal Notre Dame has

with the BCS doesn’t open things up for them to play

in the MNC? After all, they did win their last two games.

by bucks_fan_mi on Dec 2, 2007 12:52 AM EST reply actions  

My only thing right now is WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD RANK KANSAS ABOVE MISSOURI, CONSIDERING THAT KANSAS PLAYED A SHITE SCHEDULE AND LOST TO MISSOURI IN A GAME THAT THEY PRETTY MUCH WERE LET BACK INTO?

Sorry, but alcohol and sorrow makes you say stupid things.

by El Hombre on Dec 2, 2007 12:55 AM EST reply actions  

A playoff system would end a lot of arguements. I like the arguements.

by Ben on Dec 2, 2007 12:56 AM EST reply actions  

So OSU has no business in the game but LSU who lost to UK and Arky deserves to be there. Curious how that logic works?

by Flattop on Dec 2, 2007 12:57 AM EST reply actions  

1, Fox owns the BCS, not ABC/ESPN/Disney/Cthulu.

2. Hawaii is going down to a shitty Washington Huskie team.

3. That leaves two qualified one-loss teams, the Ohio State Buckeyes and the Kansas Jayhawks.

4. Bite us, UGA, you couldn’t even beat the Tennessee Volunteers. So long, and thanks for playing….

by sjs1959 on Dec 2, 2007 12:58 AM EST reply actions  

  1. e-fuckin-xactly

by Lars on Dec 2, 2007 12:59 AM EST reply actions  

The whole system has gone tits up. Time to start burning shit down. And if USC opens their mouth about a title shot they need to be dealt with harshly. I’ve done the calculations and I believe FIU with their victory over North Texas is now eligible for the BCS.

by John on Dec 2, 2007 12:59 AM EST reply actions  

Washington scored again…it’s 28-7…thank God if we have to go to NO one week too early, at least we won’t have to play Hawaii…that type of game is a nightmare. Nothing to gain if you win, everything to lose if you don’t.

by mickey on Dec 2, 2007 12:59 AM EST reply actions  

PLAYOFFS

by TigerNacho on Dec 2, 2007 1:01 AM EST reply actions  

@562

The only consensus is that the NCAA Football National Champion is whoever comes out on top in the FCS/I-AA playoff.

28-14 Washington over Hawaii.

by Mike on Dec 2, 2007 1:03 AM EST reply actions  

Mr. Pelican Pants, OSU was ranked 10-12 when it started out. Two big 10 teams were ahead of them. They get ranked real high normally, but not really this year. Don’t blame OSU for EVERY freaking other good team losing at least 2 games. They might not be one of the best two teams in the country (and I know all SEC/USC fans just like to hate on the Buckeyes, or should I say “Suckeyes”?) but got damn every other team looks kinda undeserving too.

by David Williams on Dec 2, 2007 1:04 AM EST reply actions  

590:

Indeed. The only being powerful enough to hold fast the howling gates of BCS hell leaves, and chaos spews out across the nation.
And now Nutt, the Prince of Madness, has taken the Orgeron’s place?
Loki – God of Mischief, Ole Miss Athletic Director

by Cerbera on Dec 2, 2007 1:05 AM EST reply actions  

>> “damn close games against teams which are either ranked or close to it” sounds an awful lot like Lesspeak. Kind of like “unbeaten in regulation.”

If there was a one-loss team (aside from Kansas, whose best win just might be Central Michigan) to take their place, I would absolutely argue for them ahead of LSU. But how you lose should matter – not as much as how often you lose, who you lose to, who you beat, etc., but it should count for something. Are you seriously telling me that all else (timing of losses, opponent, location, and everything) being equal, a pair of 3OT losses isn’t better than losing once by 6 in regulation and once by 21?

by SpartanDan on Dec 2, 2007 1:06 AM EST reply actions  

LSU couldn’t even beat Kentucky…

by Dawg 05 on Dec 2, 2007 1:06 AM EST reply actions  

1. LSU
2. Oklahoma
3. Georgia
4. Ohio State
5. USC

by Thor on Dec 2, 2007 1:08 AM EST reply actions  

Playoffs? You’re talking about Playoffs?

by Roaminggator on Dec 2, 2007 1:09 AM EST reply actions  

#602

Exactly. That’s the situation Georgia was in when they played WVU in the Sugar Bowl in ’05. Everyone talked the entire off season about how humiliating it was to lose to a “Big Least” team.

Of course, in hindsight, they turned out to be a lot better than everyone thought at the time.

It’s just going to suck if UGA has to play Hawaii in the Sugar Bowl this time. Not that it wouldn’t be great to go to the Sugar Bowl, but as you say there would be nothing to gain and everything to lose.

by Will on Dec 2, 2007 1:09 AM EST reply actions  

I’m anti-playoff, and I think a team should have to win their conference to play for the championship, but holy God damned shit, Georgia has a ten percent shot at playing The fucking all knowing and all powerful Ohio State University for the crystal football. LSU is very likely going to jump them, but after that shellacking in Knox Vegas who’d have thunk it? Also, when did Pitt learn how to play defense?

by Biggus Rickus on Dec 2, 2007 1:10 AM EST reply actions  

Well I’ll be danged. WWL puts up an instant poll on their website and offer the possibility of a 6 team playoff (my choice). I thought I was the only one who thought of that. give top 2 byes and have #5 play at #4 and #6 at #3. That way every single regular season game is going to have meaning, even if both losers are still going to get in the playoffs.

Much as I like the Dawgs, I’m afraid LSU or OU have better championship resumes by virtue of winning their title game. For that matter, U$Cs midseason struggles are very much indentifiable as being due to injury, so I’d actually be inclined to vote them #2 were I a poll voter. Which I’m thankfully not.

by Reasonable_Bama_Fan on Dec 2, 2007 1:12 AM EST reply actions  

608 – and UGA couldn’t beat South Cackalacky. Your point?

by notthequarterback on Dec 2, 2007 1:15 AM EST reply actions  

#607

No, I totally agree.

But the voters put UGA at #4, above LSU, last week, even taking into account those two “quality losses.”

The system sucks, but it’s the system we’ve got. If it changes next year, so be it. But I still say, even though they aren’t more deserving than anyone, UGA isn’t less deserving either.

by Will on Dec 2, 2007 1:16 AM EST reply actions  

Again, UGA could not beat UT…

wait..who did LSU beat today…UT!!!

ah-durrrr, see you in New Orleans tOSU

by cporre1@lsu.edu on Dec 2, 2007 1:16 AM EST reply actions  

Oh, and for everyone who’s just trotting out the negatives against a particular team:
Don’t. Every team has a lot of negatives against them. This isn’t like the Washington-Miami-FSU argument, or AU-U$C-OU argument, where you’re trying to pick from a bunch of positives. This is trying to find the least of all evils. Americans should be used to this after the last 40 years of Presidential politics. So focus on the team’s total resume, particularly quality wins.

by Reasonable_Bama_Fan on Dec 2, 2007 1:17 AM EST reply actions  

I wish I could stay awake for the second half, but I can’t.

Something tells me Washington will be gasping for

 air as Hawaii comes back to win.

by bucks_fan_mi on Dec 2, 2007 1:17 AM EST reply actions  

Dawgs- LSU didn’t do anything today to jump above UGA?

Uh, they won the SECCG with their SECOND STRING QB and their Defensive Line banged up. And then, after that, their SECOND STRING QB cut his index finger on his throwing hand and played with an injured throwing finger for a half.

That’s pretty fucking stout.

by NewAZTiger on Dec 2, 2007 1:26 AM EST reply actions  

28-21 Ty Fighters ahead at the half.

by Mike on Dec 2, 2007 1:27 AM EST reply actions  

Personally, I just hope every voter out there says to himself, “Ah, fuck it, I’ll vote Georgia #2. Everyone else will vote for LSU anyway.” :D

by Will on Dec 2, 2007 1:30 AM EST reply actions  

I think any of the 2 loss teams being considered would ass-spank tOSU, so really, tOSU shouldn’t be in the game.

If tOSU plays UGA or LSU, it’s just another in a long line of tOSU bowl losses vs the SEC.

UGA vs LSU is the best matchup. The best two teams from the best league in the land not called the “NFL”

by NewAZTiger on Dec 2, 2007 1:31 AM EST reply actions  

#617

Yeah, but Stafford had a 10-win season after spooning with his backup. Shouldn’t that count for something?

by Will on Dec 2, 2007 1:31 AM EST reply actions  

lets just admit that this season is out of control. No one team wants to win. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I understand the ‘parity’ argument, but how many times can you remember 1 and 2 losing each week?!?! Don’t blame Ohio State, they have a coach that plays so bland that all of the bookies in Vegas go nuts trying to create a point spead for them to barely win by. In every conference, the established crown princes went through some injury issues: USC, LSU, look at Oregon crusing to the post season. . .then they lose the star. The Big East were their usual ‘we think that we can play with the big boys’, conference but can’t put a solid winner together.

face it, this is the year that a playoff system will be created on.

by the cockroach on Dec 2, 2007 1:33 AM EST reply actions  

621 – it would if the BCS MNC game was sponsered by Mikasa Crystal.

by NewAZTiger on Dec 2, 2007 1:35 AM EST reply actions  

Looking back over the schedule, I’m more and more inclined to toss USC into the conversation for tMNC. They only lost in conference (as did LSU) and Pac-10 has beaten an SEC team (Cal over Tennessee, who we might remember played for the SEC title today), while SEC has beaten no Pac-10 teams this year. I know I’m just gonna get shouted down for Pac-10 prejudices, but face it: it’s a good fucking conference. If you want to make the argument that the SEC is tougher, then they shouldn’t lose to PAC-10 teams.

by A Cal bear in SC on Dec 2, 2007 1:37 AM EST reply actions  

620, the SEC might have been fun, but it is overrated, Only LSU should even be mentioned for MNC from the SEC.

Buckeyes-Jayhawks, it’s the only fair and right way to do it, so don’t expect it.

by sjs1959 on Dec 2, 2007 1:38 AM EST reply actions  

USC has beaten 2 teams that have winning records. zzzzzzzzzzzz (At least I think that was the stat on ESPN)

by NewAZTiger on Dec 2, 2007 1:39 AM EST reply actions  

Parity my ass, Miss Cleo couldn’t predict this shit. Some teams lost straight up, and others just forgot to show up. Today, I think OU beat the shit out of Mizzou and WfV forgot they were in the biggest game in school history. Shit Hawaii’s fucking up too. This is the insanity that is college football and we must embrace it.

by BurritoBrosShits on Dec 2, 2007 1:39 AM EST reply actions  

I feel like shooting myself now. I would rather have had Mizzou and WFVA both win rather than see the BCS pick some random 2 loss team and SCREW USC AGAIN! USC has been screwed by the lack of a playoff in 2003, 2006, and this year its going to be screwed as well.

I know, you’re all going to claim Stanford, Stanford, etc. But USC lost to Stanford because freaking Booty broke his finger during the game, refused to come out, and threw 5 picks. If this came down to a playoff, who would love to play USC now that USC’s players are healthy?

by Jeff from LA on Dec 2, 2007 1:41 AM EST reply actions  

Actually, sorry about that (drunken sounding) rant. The BCS just knows how to push my buttons every single year. Crap………

by Jeff from LA on Dec 2, 2007 1:43 AM EST reply actions  

628

Jeff from LA— Please shoot yourself.

by the cockroach on Dec 2, 2007 1:44 AM EST reply actions  

Another thing to consider is how the computer rankings will change. UGA is 5, LSU is 7. Will they switch? If they don’t, it will be interesting to see how that affects the final standings.

by Will on Dec 2, 2007 1:45 AM EST reply actions  

If UGA plays OSU, it will be the trolliest title game ever. Despite some excellent UGA blogs, the guy yelling HALF A HUNDRED!!!! LSU IS TEH SUXOORRRZ!! is completely representative of their rank and file net fanbase.

by Chg on Dec 2, 2007 1:47 AM EST reply actions  

Jeff, it’s two in the fucking morning here and I’m still on this fucking blog. Thanks for warming the cuckolds of my heart

by A Cal bear in SC on Dec 2, 2007 1:47 AM EST reply actions  

I didn’t explain the other one because I’m assuming anyone that reads this far is familiar with the work of The Artist Formerly Known as…

by Chg on Dec 2, 2007 1:49 AM EST reply actions  

I’ve given up trying to make sense of this. There is no order to the world anymore.

Can anyone say split MNC? Suppose UGA plays tOSU in the title game and wins. LSU rolls over their bowl opponent. Can anyone really make an argument that UGA is more title-worthy than LSU? Throw in a couple of strong bowl performances by other members of the two loss club, and things get really interesting.

by Smyth on Dec 2, 2007 1:51 AM EST reply actions  

There are only two teams I would not want to have to line-up against: Oklahoma and USC. All the others are beatable in multiple ways.

Of all the losses among the contenders, USC’s close loss to a Dixon-led Oregon in Eugene is the most forgivable. Nobody beat that Oregon team.

Missouri lost on neutral ground in a second-chance match-up.

The best game, by far, would be USC-Oklahoma.

by Ed on Dec 2, 2007 1:51 AM EST reply actions  

What I find funniest about this epic shitstorm from SEC fans in this thread is that if Ohio State actually beat LSU, we’ll only hear excuses, and no crow being eaten. At least now I know not to get my hopes up that you guys will ever admit you were wrong.

by poguemahone on Dec 2, 2007 1:51 AM EST reply actions  

@628

If you don’t wanna get “screwed”, don’t lose to Stanford at home.

by Mike on Dec 2, 2007 1:52 AM EST reply actions  

@636

“Nobody beat that Oregon team” – except – DUN DUN DUN – a six loss Cal team that finished 8th or 9th in the conference. Oh, that very same Cal team beat the SEC runner up by two TDs.

by poguemahone on Dec 2, 2007 1:55 AM EST reply actions  

637, I dunno, I wouldn’t be surprised if OSU beat LSU, and I’m an SEC homer (of sorts). The way this season has gone, it’s almost to be expected. Besides, OSU will be ultra-motivated, considering what happened last year.

by Rob G on Dec 2, 2007 1:59 AM EST reply actions  

Not to mention, LSU is super flawed (and so is UGA, contrary to popular belief)

by Rob G on Dec 2, 2007 2:00 AM EST reply actions  

Btw, looking at the Sagarin ratings, tomorrow its going to have Virginia Tech at #1, leaping Mizzou, WVU, and Kansas (who only had a tenth of a point on the Hokies prior to their win over BC, who was #7 as of yesterday).

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt07.htm

by Mike on Dec 2, 2007 2:00 AM EST reply actions  

I love that no one has suggested what is the most likely scenario, that tOSU plays an overrated 2 loss SEC team and smacks them in their mouth. Get over yourselves guys.

by thedecline19 on Dec 2, 2007 2:01 AM EST reply actions  

hey ed, the best game might be oklahoma vs usc, but neither of those teams deserve any sort of NC shot. Maybe they should worry about beating Stanford, Oregon, Colorado, and Texas Tech first.

by thedecline19 on Dec 2, 2007 2:04 AM EST reply actions  

Both OSU and LSU have their flaws. At full strength, no injuries, playing their best game all season, LSU trounces the Buckeyes in front of a partisan LSU crowd, and I don’t have much of a problem admitting that. Problem is, they’ve got injuries all over the place, they haven’t played a solid game across the board since Va Tech, and they have two QBs who get rattled easily. Dorsey’s a beast, but he’ll probably still be hobbled, and this defense is still giving up yards in bunches to teams it should be shutting down and out (see Ole Miss and yes, Arkansas). LSU hasn’t faced a good defense since they eeked it out against Auburn, and hasn’t played a good, consistent offense since they outlasted Florida. They’re a good team, with the potential to be a truly great team. I just haven’t seen anything out of them recently that tells me they would blast Ohio State. With Florida last year, I at least knew Chris Leak was pretty good when he wasn’t pressured, and that the defense was a killer OSU would have a tough time moving the ball against. When we were blown out, I wasn’t in a total state of shock like most of Buckeye nation. I knew it could have happened, but didn’t think it would. I don’t get that vibe at all for this LSU team.

I just know I haven’t seen this level of cockiness from any fanbase since, well, OSU’s last year before the title game.

by poguemahone on Dec 2, 2007 2:09 AM EST reply actions  

639

Fuck yeah! I was about to write the same thing. Why do we hear so much about parity in the SEC and nothing about parity in the Pac-10? If I remember correctly, USCar beat UGA and Clemson beat them this year. Did you hear me?! Fucking Clemson! In the clusterfuck that is this year, all these teams have excuses. The only one who really has no place on the list is tOSU. Oh, and fuck that. OSU you pretentious sunsabitches.

by A Cal bear in SC on Dec 2, 2007 2:10 AM EST reply actions  

^^^fanbase I was referring to was just the SEC in general, btw.

by poguemahone on Dec 2, 2007 2:11 AM EST reply actions  

@639

Uh, okay. You lost your last two games to teams Notre Dame beat convincingly. Notre Dame.

Get. The. Hell. Out.

by poguemahone on Dec 2, 2007 2:13 AM EST reply actions  

@644

Uh, okay. You lost your last two games to teams Notre Dame beat convincingly. Notre Dame.

Get. The. Hell. Out.

(this may double post, fucking computer)

by poguemahone on Dec 2, 2007 2:14 AM EST reply actions  

I think it’s funny that the tosu fans are already making excuses about losing to LSU/UGA. It’s all over their boards.

Do they fly in refs for the Hawaii game or do they have resident Hawaiians? Killer gig if they fly em in.

by peace w/o the barn on Dec 2, 2007 2:15 AM EST reply actions  

Karl Dorrell is out at UCLA. Names being thrown around by connected people are Steve Mariucci, Chris Peterson and Mike Leach.

by UCLA Mob on Dec 2, 2007 2:21 AM EST reply actions  

@647 (and, to a lesser extent, 646)

When you’re right you’re right. Cal sucks donkey balls. I’m wearing my blue n’ gold right now crying tears into my herbal tea. However I stand by my previous direct article statement. OSU is a great team with a great and rich history and that article only serves to make others say, “Wait, is there another Ohio State I’m unaware of or are they just being dicks?” Props on you for calling out my sorry-ass excuse for a team. At one point this season Cal was a single play away from being number one for the first time in fifty years. Now we’re six and six and lost the big game for the first time in five years. Well, here’s to another fifty fucking years…

by A Cal bear in SC on Dec 2, 2007 2:36 AM EST reply actions  

Does Colt Brennan throw up on the field when he gets nervous or was that Chang?

by Ben on Dec 2, 2007 2:51 AM EST reply actions  

as an Ohio State fan, i’m willing to admit that we’re sometimes arrogant, but pretentious?

that’s like calling AC/DC pretentious. which is appropriate, since Ohio State is basically the AC/DC of college football

by bup bup bup on Dec 2, 2007 2:54 AM EST reply actions  

An F-bomb just went uncensored on ESPN.

Tee-fuckin’-hee!

by Land of Os(borne) on Dec 2, 2007 2:55 AM EST reply actions  

35-28 Hawaii with 44 seconds left.

by Mike on Dec 2, 2007 3:10 AM EST reply actions  

I’m surprised to see several posters making USC’s case. Based on current play yes, but even Pete Carroll didn’t make much of a ’take us" argument.

I’m a big Trojan fan, but they have two losses, one to Stanford at home. Injuries notwithstanding, they let Stanford convert two fourth and very longs to win.

Also, Pete Carroll and the Trojans don’t duck competition – you can never take that away from them. But, this year, their scedule turned out weaker than expected. Nebraska sucks, Cal really does suck, UCLA pretty much sucks.

But, I don’t blame Trojan fans for making their case in this crazy season.

The thing that is disconcerting is that nearly every “expert” has OSU penciled in, and the debate is over who gets the other slot.

It really shoul be that LSU is the automatic assumption and should be included in the debate for #2. I would have no problem aruging USC or Georgia, or OU over OSU. But, really can’t, in my opinion, argue those teams over LSU.

BTW, Jeff Tedford should be fired.

by D-nice on Dec 2, 2007 3:10 AM EST reply actions  

@655 ^^^

I meant to say “and OSU should be included in the debate for #2.”

by D-nice on Dec 2, 2007 3:12 AM EST reply actions  

Wow, Hawaii came back from 21-0 down.

Norm Chow should get the job at UCLA, assuming he would want it.

by D-nice on Dec 2, 2007 3:17 AM EST reply actions  

MAO! click MAO, dammit! click MAO! click click click

by Albino Tornado on Dec 2, 2007 3:18 AM EST reply actions  

HAWAII WINS!!!

by Anonymous IV on Dec 2, 2007 3:19 AM EST reply actions  

  1. - Don’t forget, Notre Dame really sucks

by The Humanitarian on Dec 2, 2007 4:01 AM EST reply actions  

If not for injuries to QBs, the two top teams would be Oregon and USC.

LSU barely beat the team that lost to the #7 team in the Pac 10. No way LSU deserves a shot in the title game.

by oc phil on Dec 2, 2007 4:38 AM EST reply actions  

“I?m as big a Georgia homer as they come, but I don?t think LSU deserves it any more than any other two-loss team. They got beaten by two unranked teams, and frankly, they?ve had two shots at getting into the MNC game already this year and dropped the ball on both of them. Give someone else a shot.”

Everyone else did have a shot. Just because they didn’t actually occupy a top spot doesn’t mean that, had they not also lost two games, they wouldn’t have ended up there. Every time one of these top teams lost they opened the door for others. Then the other teams lost too and fell.

You have to toss out the rankings and look at each team’s resume. You can start right off the bat with conference champions. That means goodbye dawgs.

by BJ and The Bear on Dec 2, 2007 4:39 AM EST reply actions  

“LSU barely beat the team that lost to the #7 team in the Pac 10. No way LSU deserves a shot in the title game.”

That’s pretty weak. OK then. USC barely beat Washington. Now go find a bad Washington lost. That won’t be hard. OU barely beat Iowa St. Georgia barely beat Vanderbilt. VT barely beat North Carolina.

LSU is the only only conference champion that beat another conference champion. That’s a STRONG case. USC didn’t beat a champion. OU didn’t. GA didn’t. VT didn’t. WVU didn’t. OSU didn’t.

by BJ and The Bear on Dec 2, 2007 4:46 AM EST reply actions  

Screw it. 12-0 Hawaii’s got as good an argument as anyone this year. They haven’t played anyone good, but neither has Kansas except the one team they lost to, neither has Ohio State (at all, really, except maybe Illinois, who beat them). LSU has losses to two middling-to-poor teams. USC – one really bad loss, one respectable loss. ASU – one respectable loss, one blowout to USC. West Virginia – Wannstache. Virginia Tech – too boring to ever be allowed in a national title game, and Beamer looks like a bullfrog.

Face it fellas, its time for the Bows.

by AZDuck on Dec 2, 2007 5:00 AM EST reply actions  

LSU HAS TWO LOSSES.

A 12-0 team should be picked over any two loss team.

I’m not even a Hawaii fan, but for crying out loud.

by AZDuck on Dec 2, 2007 5:15 AM EST reply actions  

Hawaii deserves a BCS shot, but not the NC. Think about it, if Hawaii is in the national championship game, scedule strength means absolutely nothing. We’ll never see an interesting non-conference game again, because everyone will schedule weak teams in an attempt to go undefeated.

OSU’s schedule strength isn’t that strong either, (though stronger than Hawaii’s) so I guess Hawaii could point to that.

by D-nice on Dec 2, 2007 5:36 AM EST reply actions  

Yes, but at the same time the BCS apologists say that the very reason the BCS is great is because “every game counts” and the “regular season is a defacto playoff.” If that’s the case, then how come Hawaii can run the table and still be unsure as to whether they’ll even get into one of the Big 4 BCS bowls. let alone ever have a sniff of the BCSCG? I know they didn’t play anybody, but what are they supposed to do? The PAC 10 is not going to take them, so the best they could hope for would be a move to the MWC, which at this point would be a lateral move at best. As for the non-conference schedule, it’s not like this is NCAA08 for the xbox 360. They can’t just magically adjust their schedule to include three preseason top 25 teams. Besides that, non-conference games are made years ahead of time. Hell, UF already has nonconference games lined up for 2012! In fact, if I’m not mistaken, when Hawaii put UW on the schedule, it was a UW team that had Reggie Williams, Tuiasosopo, Larry Tripplett, etc. It’s not their fault that Rick Neuheisel managed to run the Huskies into the ground before the game got played.

Look, don’t get me wrong. If I had to pick the two best teams in the country, Hawaii wouldn’t be one of them. But then again, neither would tOSU. All I’m saying is that no matter how many bandaids they put on the BCS each offseason to try to tweak the formula it won’t matter; the system will always be flawed due to the fact that nearly half of the NCAA has literally zero chance of playing for the MNC, and nothing short of a playoff will fix things.

Fwiw though, if I did have to pick two teams for the championship, I’d pick tOSU and UGa, if for no other reason than the thought of the suckeyes getting trampled by the third best team in the SEC puts a giant smile on my face.

by Chas on Dec 2, 2007 6:11 AM EST reply actions  

UW should have beat Hawaii tonight. We choked

UW is 4-9

Hawaii is damn lucky they get to go to the Sugar Bowl, where they will promptly be gangraped

by Pac10dude on Dec 2, 2007 6:23 AM EST reply actions  

#500

This is how itd go

USC over tOsu
Oklahom aoverWVU
LSU overHawaii
Arizona State overVaTech

USC overOklahoma
LSU overASU

USC overLSU

by Pac10dude on Dec 2, 2007 6:28 AM EST reply actions  

My favorite part of this weekend will have to be Verne and Gary weeping for poor LSU not getting into the title game. All because of the chop block on Dorsey in the Auburn game… Please…

by Rando on Dec 2, 2007 6:53 AM EST reply actions  

I’m tired of hearing all this LSU trash whining about how they should make the MNC. Hey, LSwho, you should have taken care of your business when you had the chance. But you didn’t, so enjoy watching the MNC from the athletic dorms, bitches.

by stapler on Dec 2, 2007 8:05 AM EST reply actions  

There are zero obvious choices for the BCS crystal bowl game.

There are five teams with legitimate claims to get into the mythical, or comical by now, national championship game, and here they are in my not so humble opinion:

USC, Pac 10 champ
LSU, SEC champ (sorry UGA)
OSU, Big 10 champ
Va Tech, ACC champ
Okies, Big 12 champ (sorry Kansas)

All have two losses, except theOSU. But theOSU needs some sort of penalty for pastying up its schedule toooooooooo much this year, so I would not give them too much credit for just having one loss.

There will be arguing and gnashing of teeth about this BCS situation for years.

My choice: LSU and USC – two toughest teams in toughest conferences, with unfinished business from a few years ago still festering and pestering its fan bases.

Also, note USC’s recent history:

- sixth straight BCS game,

- winning its sixth straight Pac-10 title,

- posting its sixth straight season of 10 or more wins.

Grasping at straws? Perhaps, but that is all there is to grasp at now, isn’t it ladies and gentlemen?

by Harvey Wireman on Dec 2, 2007 8:12 AM EST reply actions  

this is the most awesome bunch of whiney bitchy squealy bitches argueing over sugar cubes in a teacup I have ever seen…

there should be nothing but one message allowed on this blog…

nothing is proven this season unless there is a playoff

n.o.t.h.i.n.g.

by Futbawl Fan on Dec 2, 2007 8:49 AM EST reply actions  

PLAYOFFS.

by TigerNacho on Dec 2, 2007 9:05 AM EST reply actions  

If not for injuries to QBs, the two top teams would be Oregon and USC.

LSU barely beat the team that lost to the #7 team in the Pac 10. No way LSU deserves a shot in the title game.

Talk out of both sides of your mouth… LSU beat UT while playing their SECOND STRING QB, who ended up playing half the game with a throwing hand injury. LSU is still a team without their QB. Oregon – like ALL spread teams – is a joke once the QB gets hurt (and the QB will get hurt in the spread).

LSU is the best team this year – top to bottom – because they are so deep. Remember, they had the #1 on their chest for most of the season, so they got every teams best shot, so they should get the spot based upon that alone. I mean, after all, the USC fans taught me that a few years ago.

by NewAZTiger on Dec 2, 2007 9:39 AM EST reply actions  

Oh, and USC lost to the last place team in the Pac-10. WOOO, gimme a fucking siren!!!

by NewAZTiger on Dec 2, 2007 9:40 AM EST reply actions  

NOOOOOO… My poor Fiesta Bowl’s gonna get Oklahoma-Kansas now :(

by R.D. Baker - Retired Blogger on Dec 2, 2007 9:55 AM EST reply actions  

Playoffs exist to determine from a group of deserving teams a champion. All we have this year are undeserving teams. (I actually kinda feel bad for 95 Nebraska, the 01 Canes, and the 05 Longhorns because they have to share the same title of “national champs” with one of these fricken teams this year) So if your team isn’t picked in the top two, you have not right to complain because everything was in that team’s power to prevent that situtation.

Don’t you see is that the lack of playoffs is what makes college football great? Don’t lose, or you will get what is in the mystery box, and you may not like it. (Hawaii, just sit there and look pretty, not sure what to do with you yet, but schedule only away games next time to get tougher opponents)

by meatybob on Dec 2, 2007 10:02 AM EST reply actions  

Hawaii would kill tOSU. Based upon that alone, they should go to the MNC game.

by NewAZTiger on Dec 2, 2007 10:04 AM EST reply actions  

You know the Rapture is coming when St. Richt stays home from Sunday School, but not preaching, to make his case on ESPN for Georgia to play for the national championship.

Tommy would have already bussed our kids to the mandatory all day worship service…

by Coop on Dec 2, 2007 10:27 AM EST reply actions  

meatybob, #678

Are you new to college football or something? Teams are scared to death to play Hawaii and don’t want to schedule them. Every major power is scared of being on the receiving end of a Michigan/App. State debacle. The BCS is scared as all hell of teams like Boise, Utah, Hawaii, etc. And if you think lack of closure at the end of football seasons is what makes CFB great, well, that is actually too stupid to warrant a response.

by stapler on Dec 2, 2007 10:41 AM EST reply actions  

And this years LSU team reminds me of USC over the past couple seasons: lots of media hype but only marginal results on the field. Just because the talking heads keep saying again and again that LSU is the best, that does not make it true. LSU is a team that can’t handle the pressure, can’t stop the run, and it will be a tragedy if they back into the MNC.

by stapler on Dec 2, 2007 10:44 AM EST reply actions  

Someone on ESPN last night said that the reason there is no playoff is the bowls are against it, and one of the major holdbacks from a playoff is the Rose Bowl who wants to stay with their commitment of Big 10 v Pac 10.

So if that is true, wouldn’t one assume the Rose would take Illinois?

by bnb614 on Dec 2, 2007 10:48 AM EST reply actions  

Didn’t Ohio State play a 1AA team?

Doesn’t that automatically disqualify them?

by NewAZTiger on Dec 2, 2007 10:57 AM EST reply actions  

#681, not true. Alabama has played Hawaii three times in the last 5 or so years, and a BAD bammer team beat them last year. And Georgia scheduled Boise and stomped, i mean stomped them. stapler i know you have to remember that, unless your in 3rd grade.

by Thor on Dec 2, 2007 10:57 AM EST reply actions  

So according to NewAZTiger, just about every would kil tOSU…….I hope we get to play LSU, we’re sure to get killed for at least a month, it’s gonna be fun.

by justanotherbuckeye on Dec 2, 2007 10:59 AM EST reply actions  

If Hawaii doesn’t get in the BCS MNC game, I’d love to see all the mid-majors back out of every game next year vs BCS schools.

That would hit the BCS conferences in the pocket book, costing millions of dollars for each school due to several lost home games.

by NewAZTiger on Dec 2, 2007 11:00 AM EST reply actions  

Hawaii has the same number of wins vs the top 20 as tOSU and no losses.

by NewAZTiger on Dec 2, 2007 11:01 AM EST reply actions  

#684, was it the Citadel? If so then they are not allowed in the BCS MNC game. It’s in the rules.

by Thor on Dec 2, 2007 11:04 AM EST reply actions  

Stapler,

LSU handled the pressure plenty well enough against Florida, Auburn and Alabama and stopped the run well enough against (admittedly less than an overwhelming running attack) Tennesee. It did this without Dorsey and a with hobbled Beckwith. It also did this with a second string QB who could not throw for most of the second half (as has been stated in many comments above).

The Dawgs are playing well and If there were a ployoff I’d take Georgia over LSU right now but healthier LSU might be a better team a month from now and given the SEC championship they are at least as deserving of the MNCCG nod. In any case you had your chances and blew them, just like everyone else. The notion that the Dawgs are a clear choice over LSU is absurd.

by marcillac on Dec 2, 2007 11:16 AM EST reply actions  

Ivan Maisel said it best…
tOSU moved from #5 to # 3 by not playing last week….
They move from #3 to #1 by not playing this week….
Their best chance of winning the MNC is to NOT play it…..LOLOLOL!!!

by Mr Pelican Pants on Dec 2, 2007 11:21 AM EST reply actions  

Lemmings, all of you.

You’ve been arguing for almost 700 posts about a television champion, which is precisely what Fox and the BCS is desirous of. Stay home enough, turn off the teevee enough, stop spending money enough and things might change, otherwise: status quo. The wallet is the thing, my friends.

Also, Rando @670: Plus 1.

by Kenny on Dec 2, 2007 11:29 AM EST reply actions  

If any of these teams were clearly better than the other, we wouldn’t have this controversey. There are at least 8 teams that “should” have taken care of business, but they didn’t.

It seems like the computers are going to sort this out and I am sure the human polls are going to be all over the map. It will be interesting to see how all the ballots fall out.

Whoever wins will have an asterik by their title and I bet the polls will crown different champions just to make it all jacked up.

by Whine-O on Dec 2, 2007 11:46 AM EST reply actions  

Georgia had a decent season, but they also lost to South Carolina and Tennessee in 4 quarters. LSU won the conference championship, and blew the doors off of the Sagarin #1 Virginia tech by more than 40 points.

by purpleheart on Dec 2, 2007 11:56 AM EST reply actions  

No Playoffs. Nothing needs to be proven.

by Ltrain on Dec 2, 2007 12:04 PM EST reply actions  

684- They played two- Youngstown State and Minnesota, There was also the rousing win over banged up Michigan- you know the one not quite as good as the team that came really close to beating Appalachian State.

by Chg on Dec 2, 2007 12:08 PM EST reply actions  

IS it me , or does Orson look like RADAR from M*A*S*H in that pic of he and Uncle Verne?

by Mr Pelican Pants on Dec 2, 2007 12:09 PM EST reply actions  

PLAYOFF.

That said, I have no idea who should actually play. LSU killed VT early on, but everyone has to acknowledge that both teams are completely different now. Specifically, VT has stopped sucking on offense and has pulled its pants up on defense.

With the exception of the game that shall not be mentioned, since LSU, VT has beaten Clemson, Georgia Tech, Miami, FSU, Virginia and Boston College, all by double digits. None are world beaters, but all are good teams.

I’d say Georgia is better than LSU, but between who deserves to go, it’s a tossup between Georgia, LSU and VT for me.

by LegalHokie on Dec 2, 2007 12:09 PM EST reply actions  

I think we just have the all the two loss teams do
Rock-Paper-Scissors til we get a winner to face tOSU

by Mr Pelican Pants on Dec 2, 2007 12:10 PM EST reply actions  

698 -

That isnt how we already do it?? I mean last year I was thanking the football gods that Llyod Carr always picks rock, but I was never totally sure why…

by beckett929 on Dec 2, 2007 12:31 PM EST reply actions  

Ltrain (#694?) – may you be struck blind in a peculiar way so that you can never see another scoreboard again in your life… but you will still be able to see the hem of the pettycoat you wear

to anyone here who thinks tOSU should be in the MNC game… tell ya what… yall come play MissState, Auburn, or Florida…. IF you win, you then have the nation’s blessing to play one of the better teams… like LSU, SCw, GA, OK or even Hawaii… or are you still pointing at the Michigan game and saying that victory was good enough to qualify you? gimme a damn break

and yes, Tigernacho – playoffs

by Futbawl Fan on Dec 2, 2007 12:33 PM EST reply actions  

this may not be the biggest blog response on this site, but it definitely qualifies as my favorite

nothing like a good old nasty bitch slapping contest to wake ya up on a hungover Sunday morn

yeeeeehaaaawwww

by Futbawl Fan on Dec 2, 2007 12:35 PM EST reply actions  

The travesty of this entire system is that basically you’re telling a state school that they can never ever play for the national championship.

If Hawaii can’t make it this year, they will never ever make it.

That, in a word, is wrong.

by NewAZTiger on Dec 2, 2007 12:36 PM EST reply actions  

  1. Thor.

Easy on The Citadel. They have been a 1-A killer over the years and was actually tied at 21 with Wisconsin at the half this season.

Granted, they’re going to get their doors blown off by Florida in next year’s opener, but they had a pretty solid year this year.

by Brandon Lang on Dec 2, 2007 12:42 PM EST reply actions  

god bless you Holly for being the author (or instigator) of my two favorite threads this season on EDSBS – this one and the post FL-TN payoff

Free cocktail on me anytime in the ATL

by Futbawl Fan on Dec 2, 2007 12:51 PM EST reply actions  

Were you guys out chasing cows with Vol fans last night? Wake up already – it’s 1 p.m. and nothing yet on the mess of last night???

by Cap'n Ken on Dec 2, 2007 12:58 PM EST reply actions  

Futbawl Fan, you must not have been here for the anti-ESPN thread in late 2005. That one was at 1000+ comments. Might even still be going.

by stapler on Dec 2, 2007 1:07 PM EST reply actions  

This is the kind of argument anti-playoff twits use to say, “See, the bowl system encourages controversy, debate and excitement. If we had a playoff that would all go away. Wouldn’t we all miss the end-of-the-year debate?”
So, instead of determining a champ on the field, getting tons of exciting games and historic matchups, we get to look back every year and say, “Oh, hey, remember that BCS debate in 2003? That was a good year. Oh, but don’t forget about 2008, that was pretty snappy too.”
Oh yeah. Good times. Good times.

Sorry, I’m a little hungover.
Geaux Tigers! Beat (enter your team here)

by TigerNacho on Dec 2, 2007 1:08 PM EST reply actions  

I’m about to go Nick Saban on ya’ll, a’ight.

It is UNAMERICAN that a David cannot rise to the top and defeat Goliath under this system. America was built on the premise that the little man can overachieve, can climb the mountain, can succeed against all odds.

You talk about schedules, and schools, and all that BS, and you’re missing the big picture. There are 85 college kids that gave their hearts and souls to their football team to live the dream, and they beat all comers. These kids were overlooked by the big boys, and those same big boys then refused to schedule them because they knew they might lose the football game. But these 85 kids at a STATE SCHOOL had a perfect regular season in a year when every other team in the nation had at least 1 loss.

Teams should be arguing about which Goliath is going to try to slay David.

And when Hawaii doesn’t go to the MNC game, I hope the mid majors go back to the US Congress and get this abolished. A State School has just been told that it can’t play for the prize, and all the prestige, respect, and money that comes with that. Taxpayer dollars cannot and should not be used to support this type of discrimination. It is WRONG.

by NewAZTiger on Dec 2, 2007 1:12 PM EST reply actions  

Mark Richt said it quite well:

“Let’s face it, going into today we were ranked No. 4 in the BCS. They ranked us there for a reason. They believed we belonged there. Two teams lost ahead of us. Everybody knew going in we were not going to play for a conference championship and still they voted us there. They voted us there for a reason and I don’t know why that should change right now.”

The only reason that LSU jumps UGA is that fact that the human voters might listen to Kirk Herbstreit and “Forget about last week’s ballot.” WTF? Think you Buckeyes have a shot at a physically and mentally exhausted LSU, Kirk? I can’t think of any other reason that you might say that.

by ijustdontgetit on Dec 2, 2007 1:16 PM EST reply actions  

“It is WRONG.”

But it feels so right!!!!

by stapler on Dec 2, 2007 1:17 PM EST reply actions  

A look at Ohio State’s SOS in comparison with certain others:

According to Sagarin, Ohio State’s schedule is ranked 60th and Hawaii’s is ranked 137th – lower than some D-1AA teams.

From CBS Sportsline, AKA SEC homer country, here are their SOS rankings for some notable teams:

Ohio State: 43rd
LSU: 26th
Missouri: 3rd (!)
Hawaii: 118th
Oklahoma: 44th
USC: 73rd
Georgia: 21st
WVU: 42nd

So all comparisons of Hawaii’s schedule to tOSU’s can stop now. You’re going more than a little overboard. As you can see, tOSU’s SOS is significantly weaker than only LSU, Georgia and Missouri according to none other than the bright minds at your favorite channel, CBS.

by poguemahone on Dec 2, 2007 1:17 PM EST reply actions  

For all those who were clamoring about USC and bashing Ohio State’s schedule…USC beat a total of 2 teams with winning records, Ohio State beat 6. USC lost twice, once to a team with a losing record, Ohio State lost once to a 9-3 Illinois team.

As to the conference argument, Notre Dame went 2-1 against the Pac 10 and 0-4 against the Big 10.

==

I am shocked that LSU as able to leap frog every one in 1 week; voters basically said that the 7 point win over 9-3 Tenn was better than OU’s 21 point domination of #1 11-1 Mizzu.

I think the Texas Tech and Arkansas losses wash each other out, leaving OU’s loss to CU be perceived as worse than LSU’s OT loss to Kentucky. Personally, I would consider those games a wash as well. Then I would look at who played better in their last game. No one could honestly say that LSU played better than OU this weekend.

by The Artist Formerly Known as tOSUBuckeyes on Dec 2, 2007 1:43 PM EST reply actions  

I know that Notre Dame will rise in again in some respect, but as for right now, it’s unbelievable to think that for Michigan and USC, and any other teams that play ND every year, they are hurting strength of schedule. That’s fucked up.

USC’s preseason strength of schedule was highly ranked, but has fallen over the season as all of the supposed good teams (Nebraska, UCLA, Cal, Notre Dame) got worse and worse as the season progressed.

by D-nice on Dec 2, 2007 1:43 PM EST reply actions  

Hawaii…just do it.
If there was ever a year.
Does it make sense?
Are they the first or second best team in the country?
Do they have good schedule strength?
No, no and no.
Do they deserve a shot due to the circumstances of the day?
Absolutely.

by Jman on Dec 2, 2007 1:44 PM EST reply actions  

One other point, with the way things are changing does it really matter what a team did in weeks 1-4? Seriously, shouldn’t it be what a team did in the last 4 weeks?

I know you have to give some credit to early season wins, but both LSU and VT are not the same teams they were in week 2.

by The Artist Formerly Known as tOSUBuckeyes on Dec 2, 2007 1:46 PM EST reply actions  

@731. The clamoring for USC is by a very small contingent of fans. Most Trojan fans are thrilled to be in the Rose Bowl considering where USC was a few weeks ago, and they realize that the Trojans made their own bed by losing to Stanford.

Yeah, USC is playing great NOW, but even Pete Carroll didn’t make much of a point of being selected for the national championship.

Stoops, on the other hand, really did lobby hard. And although I think OU is (1) playing great, (2) would be competitive and maybe even win the NC, they also shot themselves in the foot. That said, their SOS is higher than USC’s and they had to beat a good Missouri team twice.

You really could argue LSU and UGA, and it wouldn’t be that left field. But, would the BCS ever match conference opponents? Have they?

by D-nice on Dec 2, 2007 1:49 PM EST reply actions  

Hey UGAy…35-14. STFU.

by Your Mom loves LSU on Dec 2, 2007 1:55 PM EST reply actions  

Why all the nationwide vitriol aimed at Ohio State? I need to know.

by Shy one on Dec 2, 2007 1:57 PM EST reply actions  

To D-nice -
I suppose they will also be complaining next year when USC’s three non-conference games involve a trip to Charlottesville, and hosting tOSU and Notre Dame!!!
The following year it will include hosting Hawaii and visiting Columbus and South Bend.
Guys, you play the schedule given to you. The only reason why Washington was on Hawaii’s schedule was that Michigan State chose to bail out!

by TrojanRick on Dec 2, 2007 1:58 PM EST reply actions  

  1. (NewAZTiger):

If there were another one-loss team worth taking, you might have a point. (There were two other unbeatens the year that cost you guys.) Problem is, Kansas and Hawaii (the only teams that can match or beat the “1” in the L column) both have worse schedules, easily.

And no, Hawaii would not kill OSU. If not for a completely bullshit illegal forward pass call, they might not even have beaten Washington. If there were a playoff (which there should be), Hawaii would get in. But all they’ve proven on the field is that they’re a little better than the worst team in the Pac-10.

by SpartanDan on Dec 2, 2007 2:10 PM EST reply actions  

tOSU – 43rd SoS with 1 loss (to the only top 25 team they’ve played, unless Michigan is still ranked, which they shouldn’t be)

LSU – 26th SoS with 2 losses – to big bad SEC powerhouses Arkansas and Kentucky

Hawaii – 118th SoS. No losses.

I’d take pretty much any major conference 1-loss team over Hawaii in the BCS title game, but I have a hard time saying a 2-loss team should get the nod over the Bows.

The system’s broke, boys and girls. Hawaii in the BCS would be a funny as hell way to recognize that.

by AZDuck on Dec 2, 2007 2:12 PM EST reply actions  

Anyone wanting to look into derangement straight in the eye needs to go over to the ajc.com website and read the comments to Mark Bradley’s column spinning the “UGA should play in the BCSCG” story.

by Irwin Fletcher on Dec 2, 2007 2:14 PM EST reply actions  

2 December 2007, 8:30 p.m.
Dear Georgia or LSU,

Sorry, buddy. You’ve just been left out of the national championship game despite (being #4 last week and having two teams in front of you lose or winning the SEC title). That sucks. Well chin up, buddy. You’re gonna get a chance to play Hawaii in the Sugar Bowl and they gave up 44 to LA Tech and 37 to Utah St.

You need to go to the Sugar Bowl and break 100 points. It won’t be hard because Hawaii sucks. Once you do that, you are a co-national champion. Sure, people will say it doesn’t really count like USC’s in 2004 or Michigan’s in 1997, but they’re just jealous, that’s all.

-PW

by PW on Dec 2, 2007 2:18 PM EST reply actions  

I tired of people whining about how UGA “didn’t win their conference so how can they play for the MNC?” Well, they tied for their division and the tiebreaker (which I belive works backward) prevented it. Throw out the SECCG and we have three SEC champions — UT, LSU, and UGA. It’s a really dumb argument, but it can be argued that UGA won the SEC anyway. And look at the joke that is tOSU. They didn’t win their conference championship game so I guess they should not play in the MNC either. UGA got screwed.

by stapler on Dec 2, 2007 2:18 PM EST reply actions  

@738 Trojanrick. You’ve completely misinterpreted my post. I am a Trojan fan. I wasn’t complaining. I said in an earlier post that USC is the one program that doesn’t duck competition and always schedules quality non-conference opponents. (VT, Auburn, Nebraska, Arkansas, ND, in the past few years just to name a few, and the examples you gave for the future, including Ohio State for the next two years).

I was just pointing out that this year, a non-conference schedule that would normally be strong (Nebraska, Notre Dame), and a portion of the conference schedule that looked great on paper earlier in the season, turned out to be not as strong as expected. And, therefore, USC’s argument for a national championship is weakened. It’s not that the Trojans have no argument, but it’s not as strong as if Nebraska would have stayed in the top 20, ND was up to its normal standards, and teams like Cal and UCLA didn’t go from Top 10 to mediocre.

by D-nice on Dec 2, 2007 2:21 PM EST reply actions  

@741

The derangement stems from their lack of a national championship in over 20 years while watching their most-hated rivals acquire one or more since their last. Their misery is delicious!

by peachtree gator on Dec 2, 2007 2:22 PM EST reply actions  

743

The tiebreaker worked backward? What the hell are you talking about? TENNESSEE BEAT YOU.

by PW on Dec 2, 2007 2:22 PM EST reply actions  

“to the only top 25 team they’ve played, unless Michigan is still ranked, which they shouldn’t be”

If you mean still ranked in the top 25, then you’re right. Meanwhile, LSU lost to two teams that are no longer in the top 25 and that argument would have to be made as well.

But Penn State, Purdue, Michigan, Wisconsin, Michigan State and Illinois (in one poll) were all ranked in the top 25 when we played them. Finishing 5-1 versus the top 25 isn’t bad at all. Meanwhile, LSU played Va Tech, South Carolina, Florida, Kentucky, Auburn, Tennessee and Alabama when they were all ranked in the top 25, and only three of those teams are still in the top 25.

by poguemahone on Dec 2, 2007 2:29 PM EST reply actions  

yes, but UT lost to UF and Bama. UGA lost to UT and South Carolina. We lost to the SEC East champ, while UT lost to a garbage Bama team. UGA has the strongest case to lay claim to both the SEC championship and the MNC.

by stapler on Dec 2, 2007 2:31 PM EST reply actions  

ANd why the hell is UGAs loss to Carolina not excusable like LSUs loss to Arkansas that took place LAST WEEK?!?!?!

by stapler on Dec 2, 2007 2:32 PM EST reply actions  

The AP Poll is out

1. Ohio St.
2. LSU
3. Oklahoma
4. Georgia
5. Virginia Tech
6. Southern Cal
7. Missouri
8. Kansas
9. Flordia
10. Hawaii.

by D-nice on Dec 2, 2007 2:36 PM EST reply actions  

Hawaii barely beat U-Dub at home. The same U-Dub who lost to tOSU in Seattle. Sorry. No go. The Bows will play Georgia in the Sugar and IF they win then I’d certainly give them a splict championship. This year that would be as sane as anything elese. Until then, no dice.

by marcillac on Dec 2, 2007 2:37 PM EST reply actions  

I don’t have time for this shit

by Nick Saban on Dec 2, 2007 2:37 PM EST reply actions  

747

You, sir, are a fucking idiot.

by PW on Dec 2, 2007 2:40 PM EST reply actions  

even though I agree with you that UGA should get the MNC shot.

by PW on Dec 2, 2007 2:41 PM EST reply actions  

By your reasoning, tOSU should be last season’s national champs because their only loss came at the hands of the national champions, while UF’s loss came at the hands of lowly Auburn.

I mean, who cares what happens on the field anyway?

by PW on Dec 2, 2007 2:43 PM EST reply actions  

Oh my God. Someone’s bragging about all the winning records in the Big 10. The Big 10’s OOC record was compiled by beating up their little brothers in the MAC, repeatedly.

It was easy for the Big 10 to have 9 teams bowl eligible (!) because they played a bunch of crappy teams.

tOSU: Youngstown St., Akron, Washington, Kent State
(Congratulatations, you’re at the top of the Delta pledge class)
Mich: Appy State (L), Oregon (L), Notre Dame, Eastern Mich.
Illinois: Missouri (L), West. Ill, Syracuse, Ball State
PSU: Fla. Int’l, Notre Dame, Buffalo, Temple
Wisky: Wash. St, UNLV, Citadel, Northern Illinois
Indiana: Indiana State, West. Mich., Akron, Ball State
NW: Northeastern, Nevada, Duke (L!), East. Mich.
MSU: UAB, Bowling Green, Pitt, Notre Dame
Iowa: Northern Ill, Syracuse, Iowa State (L!), West. Mich.
Minny: Bowling Green (L), Miami (Ohio), Fla. Atl. (L), North Dakota State (L!)

Play me any one of those out of state schedules and its easy as hell to get bowl-eligible off 3 wins. Northwestern lost to Duke! And they are one of the “winning teams” in the Big 10.

I mean, why is winning in the Big Ten any more impressive than winning in the WAC this year?

At least the Bows beat a top 25 team.

by AZDuck on Dec 2, 2007 2:43 PM EST reply actions  

@737
Because they backed into the MNC, and did it while not beating a single team ranked in the current top 25.

by Mike on Dec 2, 2007 2:45 PM EST reply actions  

Coaches Poll

1. Ohio St.
2. LSU
3. Oklahoma
4. Georgia
5. Virginia Tech
6. Southern Cal
7. Missouri
8. Kansas
9. West Virginia
10. Hawaii.

by D-nice on Dec 2, 2007 2:50 PM EST reply actions  

PLAYOFFS.

I’m fucking tired of people saying that chaos and bullshit polls is what makes my favorite sport “special”

by Techie on Dec 2, 2007 2:50 PM EST reply actions  

IMHO, this thread needs more opinions, so here’s one:

You can cut this a couple of ways, given that we’re talking about what SHOULD happen vs. what will actually happen in terms of getting two teams together for a one game playoff.

1) You can make the old claim that if you don’t win your conference championship, you need not apply. In that case, it’s between LSU and VPI as to who gets to play tOSU. LSU beat VPI……like a drum. I don’t care if it was in July. That’s the nice thing about college futbaw. Every game matters. Sure, late games count more, but they didn’t play late. They played, and the result was unequivocal. In this case, LSU deserves the shot. I don’t get what Tech’s case is at all.

2) If you want to ignore conference championships, then UGA could make the claim that, after tOSU, they were next in line and were ahead of LSU. I don’t particularly subscribe to this one, but at least it’s a case.

So, tOSU is a given and UGA and LSU can make their cases. Tech has no case. Hawaii doesn’t have a case either other than being undefeated. I realized that the Hawaii argument goes something like “blah blah blah undefeated, blah blah blah 2006 Boise State, blah blah blah just as good, blah blah blah unfair, blah blah blah top 10 teams won’t play us.” but here schedule makes a HUGE difference. They had to gear up for Boise State and a bad Pac-10 team and that’s about it. BCS bowl? Sure, have fun and I’ll be pulling for you to pull of the stunning upset. Championship game? Please apply when everyone who plays a much tougher schedule has 3 losses and then we’ll see.

by macker on Dec 2, 2007 2:56 PM EST reply actions  

FWIW, Arkansas is no longer unranked.

by NewAZTiger on Dec 2, 2007 2:57 PM EST reply actions  

Macker – I just posted tOSU’s resume, and it isn’t much better than Hawaii’s.

by AZDuck on Dec 2, 2007 2:57 PM EST reply actions  

Well, good for Pitt. That was neat to watch.

The two best teams, IMO, are Hawaii and Kansas. Hawaii is UNDEFEATED; they beat Boise State (the defending Fiesta Bowl Champions) and a solid BYU team and a University of Washington team that beat Standford, which beat USC. So Hawaii has an OK tree of scheduling, and is the best of the western group of teams.

Kansas and Oklahoma had a common opponent in a common stadium: on the road against Colorado. Kansas won, Oklahoma lost. So Kansas is the best of the big 12 teams.

LSU lost to a Kentucky team which lost to a Mississippi State which lost toa West Virginia team that lost to Pitt. So by the logic that says that Kansas shouldn’t get a shot in the championship game because of who they lost to, then Pitt deserves a shot at the national title!? (Of course not). Still, losing to a team that is within three degrees of losing to Pitt is bad, and should be a disqualification.

We move on to Georgia: they lost to a South Carolina team that beat the Mississippi State team that beat the Kentucky team that LSU lost to.

LSU is probably slightly better than Georgia. But Pitt is still within a 3rd degree of teams they have lost to. They don’t deserve a chance at the championship game.

We discount West Virginia because they lost to Pitt—automatic disqualification. And we move on to Ohio State. First, they were hardly overwhelming in their victory over a Michigan team that lost to Appalacian Statae. And they lost to an Illinois team that lost to a Michigan team that lost to Appalachian State AND lost to an Iowa team that lost to Western Michigan! Also, that Iowa team lost to an Indiana team that lost to Duke that lost to NOTRE DAME! (Side note: USC lost to a Stanford team that lost to NOTRE DAME too). If losses Notre Dame, Appalachian State and Western Michigan are within 3 degrees of your schedule, you are not worthy of the national championship.

Hawaii is the best team in the country. They should play for the national championship against the other best team in the country—Kansas., The rest of the “powerhouses” have losses to the “poor houses” either on or within 3 degrees of their schedule. Kansas vs. Hawaii in New Orleans!

by Pitt Fan on Dec 2, 2007 3:02 PM EST reply actions  

Also, Edsall is God,

He said no to GT this morning, so you’re safe up there in Storrs.

by Techie on Dec 2, 2007 3:02 PM EST reply actions  

2007 tOSU = 1984 BYU

by stapler on Dec 2, 2007 3:14 PM EST reply actions  

D-Nice… Harris Poll?

by R.D. Baker - Retired Blogger on Dec 2, 2007 3:14 PM EST reply actions  

@763

Harris Poll not out yet, at least from what I could find on the major sports websites.

by D-nice on Dec 2, 2007 3:23 PM EST reply actions  

Now that I see the polls have LSU #2, I guess the conference championship game helped the SEC again. So quit the bitching about the extra game, it has benefited the winner 2 years in a row. UGA got hosed. If they had played LSU yesterday, I am quite confidant that they would have fared better than Tennessee, meaning that LSU would be playing on New Years Day in a lesser bowl. I hope UGA gets the Rose Bowl, but we won’t know until tonight. BTW, the Big Ten can’t have a conference championship because they need 12 teams. Since we have one more than the name implies already, one more is not going to happen. But our conference championship game happened naturally on November 17 when tOSU beat Michigan.

Look for Les Miles to emerge from his smoke screen to talk to UM and accept the job if offered on Monday.

The sweetest part of being #1 is knowing how much it pisses off the detractors. If you feel we don’t belong, I suggest you contact a bookie and bet all you can. If you are right, you will be rich. If I am right, I’m sure you have friends with some extra bedrooms you can use while you look for more affordable housing.

by Crabapple Buck on Dec 2, 2007 3:24 PM EST reply actions  

AZDuck: OSU has seven wins that are better than Hawaii’s best (all of their conference wins except Minnesota, and a 19-point beating at Washington compared to Hawaii’s 7-point win at home), most of which are much, much better than Hawaii’s best. If that’s “not much better”, I don’t know what it would take for a team to have a much better resume than Hawaii’s.

Stapler: Are you seriously arguing that a loss to the SEC East champion … should make you the SEC champ? There aren’t words to describe that kind of idiocy. (And Georgia isn’t getting a pass on the USCe loss because USCe is not a good team, even compared to Kentucky and certainly not compared to Arkansas.)

by SpartanDan on Dec 2, 2007 3:35 PM EST reply actions  

My point is that UGA lost to a good SEC team and an average SEC team. UT lost to an average SEC team and a garbage SEC team. The tiebreaker is stupid. You want to crown ’em? Then crown their ass.

by stapler on Dec 2, 2007 3:39 PM EST reply actions  

Why’s tOSU railed against? Remember the wet sloppy kisses the Big 11 got last year from the media? Remember the destroyment they got from Florida? Remember all those big OOC games they played this year? Remember all those big conference games last year? Playing nothing but little brother schools in Ohio does not lead to national respect, and the putrescence of the Big 11 makes it looks like you’re skating in with minimal effort.

As a Nebraska fan, I remember the resentment Nebraska’d get in the 80’s and early 90’s about being a paper tiger as they couldn’t win the big one.

1987, lost to final #2 FSU and #3 OU
1988, lost to NC runner up Miami
1990, lost to co-NCs Colorado and Georgia Tech (eat that, UGa fan!)
1991, lost to co-NC’s Washington and Miami
1993, lost to NC FSU

You will be resented for repeatedly winning big games. Some people still think OSU got over on Miami as the PI call was… iffy, and that factors into it. All the jokes about Notre Dame and bowls I’ve heard before.

Of course, you will also be resented when you do nothing but kick ass. But that’s a way better kind of resentment.

by Albino Tornado on Dec 2, 2007 3:43 PM EST reply actions  

Spartan Dan: See the Big10 OOC schedule matrix above.

I have no idea how good the Big 10 really is, because you all only play each other, the MAC, and Notre Dame, and local 1AA schools.

Based on the very limited data available from non-Big 10/MAC/ND/1AA sources, the conference is:

5-4 in OOC against BCS conferences.

Wins: Washington State, Washington, Pitt, Syracuse (2X)

Losses: Oregon, Missouri, Dook, Iowa State

tOSU beat UW more convincingly on the road than Hawaii did at home. I’d be willing to buy tOSU as being a little bit better than Hawaii.

But don’t try and tell me that there are seven teams in your league better than Boise. That’s crap. Not in a league where Iowa loses to Iowa State and NW loses to Dook.

Bottom line is that Hawaii is undefeated and everyone else has at least 2 losses. Their schedule stinks, but so does tOSU’s. Again, I think there is no real data showing that the Big 10 is really any good other than the shared historical memory of the Big 10 once being a major conference.

Maybe if MSU had’nt chickened out of a game in the islands Hawaii would have one loss and we wouldn’t be having this talk right now.

by AZDuck on Dec 2, 2007 3:54 PM EST reply actions  

765- if no one had jumped over inactive teams, a different SEC team would be playing Ohio State for the title. How does that benefit the SEC exactly?

I think most in the conference would argue that LSU jumping Georgia actually benefits the Buckeyes. Tough I think LSU is more worthy based on their body of work, I believe UGa is more likely to beat Ohio State.

by Chg on Dec 2, 2007 3:56 PM EST reply actions  

Rabble, rabble, rabble. UGAy sucks; no, LSUcks sucks! Rabble, rabble. No, the Big 10/11/Televen/Gay Al sucks! Rabble.

by chris on Dec 2, 2007 4:01 PM EST reply actions  

Note to self: get my money on whatever team is playing the suckeyes early, before the spread gets too big.

If a shit team is going to be playing for the title, might as well get some $$$ from it. Maybe parlay it with whomever gets stuck playing the ’Bows too.

by Will on Dec 2, 2007 4:02 PM EST reply actions  

@ Stapler (767)
The tiebreaker is stupid? A head-to-head matchup deciding which team is better is stupid? I’m not even going to touch that and I hope that you are just kidding here

by Sam on Dec 2, 2007 4:03 PM EST reply actions  

Lets say you have two one loss teams. One teams only loss comes from the other one loss team. The other one loss team’s one loss comes from a below average team. Both teams have one loss, but objectively, one team lost to a good team and the other lost to a bad team. Yes, head to head does look good but it too discounts the fact that the other team lost to a bad team. Therefore, an argument can be made that some tiebreakers do have it backward.

by stapler on Dec 2, 2007 4:09 PM EST reply actions  

If a team beats another team, that first team is better! That is the ultimate tiebreaker! There is no argument against this!

by chris on Dec 2, 2007 4:14 PM EST reply actions  

Sure, an argument “can” be made, but an argument could also be made that Duke is the best team in Division 1. Doesn’t mean the argument has any merit, though.

by Sam on Dec 2, 2007 4:14 PM EST reply actions  

772

Vegas will take your money like everyone else’s. Go ahead and bet with your heart not your head, and take whoever is laying points to OSU. Then have fun telling yourself that you made the right bet when you’re broke…

by thedecline19 on Dec 2, 2007 4:15 PM EST reply actions  

774: Are you on crack?

by Rob G on Dec 2, 2007 4:19 PM EST reply actions  

Gentlemen, before you place those bets that look like sure locks, remember this: the BCS champion underdog has a tendency to surprise everyone and win the damn thing. See exhibit UF, Texas, tOSU etc. Don’t say that you were not warned. And as much of an SEC homer as I am, I don’t know know if there are any safe bets in a wacko LSU team going against a tOSU team that “maybe?” learned something from last years embarrassment.

by stapler on Dec 2, 2007 4:23 PM EST reply actions  

Stapler, give it up. If Georgia were to be bypassed for a tiebreaker by a team that they beat head-to-head, your screaming could be heard for miles around. Results on the field should always be considered first. Your argument is worthless and weak, now drop and give me twenty.

by Reasonable_Bama_Fan on Dec 2, 2007 4:25 PM EST reply actions  

Will @ 772

Let me get this straight. You leave a note to yourself reminding you to take advantage of a potential arbitrage opportunity before a lot of people also jump on it and cause it to disappear, but you do it on a message board with nearly 800 posts?

“Wow, there’s a giant pile of money over there! Hope no one sees it! Why am I yelling this?!”

by PW on Dec 2, 2007 4:31 PM EST reply actions  

I know that it seems rather set in stone at this point, with tOSU and LSU, but everyone needs to remember the super fun factor here: The Harris Poll. With Oklahoma doing rather well in the computer ratings (#1 in the Saragin), they could leap over tOSU/LSU if they get a #1 in the Harris. Personally, I think an OU LSU matchup (complete with all the comparisons to the last really funked up BCS season that, in the end, gave us OU and LSU) would be much closer to the top two teams. WIthin the grouping of OU/LSU/tOSU/USC/VaTech/UGA, I think tOSU (with the only argument being one loss rather than two, but then look at the sched) and UGA have the short end of the stick when it comes to ammo to argue with.

by them oklahoma on Dec 2, 2007 4:41 PM EST reply actions  

Selection of BCS teams is looking like this:

1. NCG – #1 in the poll (looking like OSU)
2. NCG – #2 in the poll (looking like LSU)
3. Rose Bowl (since it looks like OSU is going to be #1)
4. Sugar Bowl/Fiesta Bowl (if LSU or Oklahoma respectively is #2, otherwise this pick gets skipped)
5. Orange Bowl
6. Fiesta Bowl
7. Sugar Bowl

Mind you, one of these picks has to be West Virginia and one may have to be Hawaii.

Already slotted:
USC – Rose Bowl
LSU – Sugar (unless they get #2)
Oklahoma – Fiesta (unless they get #2)
Va Tech – Orange

Have fun guessing

by R.D. Baker - Retired Blogger on Dec 2, 2007 4:42 PM EST reply actions  

What it will be:
MNC: tOSU vs. LSU
Rose: USC vs. [Team Redacted]
Sugar: Georgia vs. Hawaii
Fiesta: Oklahoma vs. Arizona State
Orange: Va Tech vs. WFVU

however, if that is the MNC, I hope that the Rose Bowl will pick Georgia to take on USC in what could be an amazing game

by Sam on Dec 2, 2007 4:46 PM EST reply actions  

Playoff!

by TigerNacho on Dec 2, 2007 4:52 PM EST reply actions  

Oh… and only 2 max teams from one conference (heh… forgot to mention that)

by R.D. Baker - Retired Blogger on Dec 2, 2007 4:54 PM EST reply actions  

#784. As cool as it would be to see ASU basically playing a home game with the way Erickson’s brought the fans out of the woodwork, the Fiesta Bowl wants the tourist money, so I doubt they’re going to pick ASU.

by R.D. Baker - Retired Blogger on Dec 2, 2007 4:58 PM EST reply actions  

@755 – What about Wisconsin?

by Shy one on Dec 2, 2007 5:07 PM EST reply actions  

Les Miles is a douche bag. I don’t blame him for being bugged, but he’s a douche bag. How does he propose we hold the press accountable. Is this clown a Michigan grad?

by OhioDawg on Dec 2, 2007 5:13 PM EST reply actions  

784 -

In order for the Rose to select Georgia, the Sugar’s going to have to release Georgia to the Rose in order for them to select us. If you look at selection procedures, a team that picks an at-large member and is replacing the #1 team needs consent from the bowl that lost the #2 team (LSU in the Sugar) to select a team from the same conference (in this case, Georgia).

In short, there’s pretty much no chance the Sugar releases Gerogia in that instance. I wouldn’t see why they would, but maybe it does happen.

Who knows.

by Jason on Dec 2, 2007 5:14 PM EST reply actions  

Brandon Lang, if you are still here:

I was not making fun of the Citadel, only the fact that playing the Citadel was the superficial reason for keeping Auburn out of the MNC a few years ago.

by Thor on Dec 2, 2007 5:16 PM EST reply actions  

@790:
Sorry, didn’t know that. Yeah I really doubt the Sugar Bowl would do that and settle for a Hawaii/West Va matchup

by Sam on Dec 2, 2007 5:16 PM EST reply actions  

Someone please explain how you “back in” to a BCS title game? Didn’t Florida “back in” when USC lost last year? The country has gone mad I say, hanging on the words of Tim Brando and Spencer Tillman @CBS.

by Shy one on Dec 2, 2007 5:17 PM EST reply actions  

Please don’t let it be Oklahoma vs anOSU, The two most overrated MNC game teams of recent memory against each other. Oklahoma deserves it, but i don’t think i could handle those two getting in.

by Thor on Dec 2, 2007 5:20 PM EST reply actions  

@ my 796 post
i mean 794 obviously

by Sam on Dec 2, 2007 5:22 PM EST reply actions  

Hmmm, I think a truism is developing here. Anyone who claims:
1.) OSU has a worse schedule than Hawaii
2.) OSU doesn’t deserve to be in the title
3.) Georgia deserves a shot over LSU
4.) Georgia deserves a shot over OSU
5.) USC should even be in the fucking discussion despite it’s loss to STANFORD

is an idiot.

Maybe people should take a page from SMQB’s book and look at those little things called relevant stats, actual performance, and the truth. Fact is, LSU and OSU have the best claim to the title based on record, and performance. The reasons have been illuminated for everyone to see multiple times, so i don’t think i need to go back into them. Just because something sounds “truthy” doesn’t make it true.

by AgnosticTheocrat on Dec 2, 2007 5:28 PM EST reply actions  

@737
Because they backed into the MNC, and did it while not beating a single team ranked in the current top 25.

Comment by Mike — December 2, 2007 @ 2:45 pm

Well then hate the system. What is OSU supposed to do? Not got? The system was in place all season and selected them. Everyone hates the system, but it is the system we have.

Hey where is NewAZTiger? He hasn’t posted a screed against all teams but LSU lately.

by bnb614 on Dec 2, 2007 5:31 PM EST reply actions  

@737 -OSU has a victory over Wisconsin

by Shy one on Dec 2, 2007 5:37 PM EST reply actions  

Every argument for the #2 team has it’s flaws. Here’s mine: tOSU vs. OU. The Sooners look like the best team in the country right now. No way they lose to Texas Tech if Bradford stays healthy. Next: LSU or Georgia? Either or, but I don’t see how LSU leapfrogs that much without destroying a decent Tenn. team.

My beloved Trojans? They are not playing the best football in America right now; their defense is. The offense is 15th-20th (except for the monster know as Fred Davis). The Stanford loss ends the argument, esp. considering it was a home game. I saw them play at U-Dub and they looked even worse against them.

I’m shocked that more people aren’t even talking about OU as a legitimate contender. They absolutely look like the real deal to me.

by PortTrojan on Dec 2, 2007 6:08 PM EST reply actions  

“UGA got hosed. If they had played LSU yesterday, I am quite confidant that they would have fared better than Tennessee, meaning that LSU would be playing on New Years Day in a lesser bowl.”

Too bad they didn’t play LSU. Wonder why that was the case? Hrm, perhaps because they failed to win their division. Might be why.

Win your conference or shut the fuck up.

by BJ and The Bear on Dec 2, 2007 6:17 PM EST reply actions  

Man, who knows. What a debacle. Given that Ohio State is in, it is a beauty contest for the other.

Personally I think Oklahoma, LSU, Georgia and USC can make a case and are better teams than VT, Hawaii, and/or Kansas.

I’d probably give it to Oklahoma.

by ipse dixit on Dec 2, 2007 6:29 PM EST reply actions  

Oregon was beating Arizona when Dixon got hurt. After he was hurt they lost the game and subsequently, the games to UCLA and Oregon State.

Before the Arizona game, Oregon controlled their own destiny, having beaten both ASU and USC.

When Dixon got hurt and their team flailed, USC won the Pac10.

You can also say LSU backed into a title game after a hard lobbying effort by ESPN last night after the West VA loss (seriously there every ESPN analyst was saying LSU should jump 4 other teams and get in). As a result, the press and coaches allowed LSU to leapfrog everyone and get in.

If you don’t go undefeated and be #1 or #2 all season, then you need someone else to lose so you can back into the game.

So can everyone please STFU about backing into the MNC.

So did USC back into a Pac 10 victory? I would say so. No way Oregon would have lost to Arizona and UCLA.

by bnb614 on Dec 2, 2007 6:42 PM EST reply actions  

Sorry user error cause my text to get jumbled:

Oregon was beating Arizona when Dixon got hurt. After he was hurt they lost the game and subsequently, the games to UCLA and Oregon State.

Before the Arizona game, Oregon controlled their own destiny, having beaten both ASU and USC.

When Dixon got hurt and their team flailed, USC won the Pac10.

So did USC back into a Pac 10 victory? I would say so. No way Oregon would have lost to Arizona and UCLA.

You can also say LSU backed into a title game after a hard lobbying effort by ESPN last night after the West VA loss (seriously there every ESPN analyst was saying LSU should jump 4 other teams and get in). As a result, the press and coaches allowed LSU to leapfrog everyone and get in.

If you don’t go undefeated and stay #1 or #2 all season, then you need someone else to lose so you can back into the game.

So can everyone please STFU about backing into the MNC.

by bnb614 on Dec 2, 2007 6:44 PM EST reply actions  

> seriously there every ESPN analyst was saying LSU should
> jump 4 other teams and get in

bnb614 – Mark May wanted Oklahoma actually.

re Dennis Dixon: there was a story floating around in the Phoenix media that Dixon actually injured the knee in the Arizona State game but kept playing until he tore it completely in the U of A game

by R.D. Baker - Retired Blogger on Dec 2, 2007 6:57 PM EST reply actions  

14 minutes until we find out who plays who.

Oklahoma v Kansas – 2 Big 12 teams in the Fiesta Bowl would be a travesty and an automatic W for the Sooners.

West Virginia v Virginia Tech would be a nice memory lane for 2 hated rivals from their Big East days. (Anyone else remember Shayne Graham’s game winning fg vs West VA to send VT to the title game in 1999?)

Hoping the Zooker will get to take on Pete Carroll’s crew in the Rose Bowl.

by bnb614 on Dec 2, 2007 7:41 PM EST reply actions  

R.D. Baker – Retired Blogger,

Dixon did tear his ACL near the end of the ASU game. He, Bellotti and the doctors kept it from the rest of the team so it wouldn’t leak out. Bellotti claimed to take himself out of the decision to play Dixon against Arizona and let the doctors and Dixon make the decision. Many people here in Portland have been giving Bellotti hell for this sneaky way of absolving himself of any responsibility when in reality he, as the head coach, should have shut Dixon down and protected his pro future.

by PortTrojan on Dec 2, 2007 8:36 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks… couldn’t think of a Link

by R.D. Baker - Retired Blogger on Dec 2, 2007 9:29 PM EST reply actions  

R.D. Baker,

I don’t have the link, but I know John Canzano of the Oregonian wrote a scathing article on Bellotti within a few days of the Oregon/Arizona game.

by PortTrojan on Dec 2, 2007 10:57 PM EST reply actions  

Longest. Thread. EVER!

by SpookyJuice on Dec 3, 2007 1:25 PM EST reply actions  

BTW, I’d go all ‘last month’ on that ass and say “fuck it, put bama in it” but I don’t know who the hell we could beat anymore. Notre Dame??? We should scrap the MNC this year.

Playoff would be easy by the way, scrap one regular season game. Take all (major)conference champs.

tOSU, LSU, OU, Wf’nVU, VaTech, USC and then take 4 at large teams UGa, Hawaii, Mizzurah, and Kansas or whoever. Make the non-con champs play in, leaving 8 teams for a 3 week playoff and then non-tournament teams could play the bowls

by SpookyJuice on Dec 3, 2007 1:30 PM EST reply actions  

November 29, 2005: The real longest thread ever. People started bashing ESPN and things got a little out of hand…

http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2005/11/29/50-reasons-espnabcdisney-sucks/#comments

by stapler on Dec 4, 2007 2:05 PM EST reply actions  

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