CHAMPIONSHIP WEEKEND; GUEST COLUMNIST, JACKSONVILLE
I’m just not sure who I am anymore. I used to be so sure. I reeked of paper mills and boat fuel, but dammit, I made shit happen in my own little shitkicking kind of shit way. Where else in America could you boat in seven tons of dank Jamaican kine bud and have it on I-95 and up to Atlanta in a matter of hours, huh? And played home court to Lynyrd Skynyrd? I was important, man, in my own little skeezy way, and without the coke money, shaved-pube danger of Miami.

But now…now I don’t even know who I am anymore. The paper’s gone, because WAAAAAAAAAAHHH the smell, the stench was too much for delicate sensibilities. The police actually care what goes on your boat now. The naval station is still there, but the locals get pissed when someone ruffles a few feathers by throwing someone through a bar window.
Pussies, all of you.
Now they want me to be something, with buildings, and landmarks, and Whole Foods and shit. But what the hell am I? They filled in the empty spaces with signs and chain restaurants and roads so that from space I probably look like a NASCAR machine idling at the start, all logos and glossy paint. They want me to host sporting events, which is kind of like asking a chihuahua to sell aluminum siding door-to-door for you. It just doesn’t work on so many levels, and in the end the dog really doesn’t care, anyway.
People want to go to a place, you see, and that’s never been on my resume, this whole place-ness thing. I’m fine just being a loose confederation of utilities and conveniences. Places get messy: they have communities, and annoying neighbors who depend on each other for things, and all of the things that make you want to take a chainsaw to that real place’s community at the end of the day. When you’re no place, there’s wake, drive, work, and pick up the kids before plugging yourself back in like a dead cellphone into the tv, the XBox, the computer.
Whatever. It’s not bad, and I’m not gonna pretend it is. When the romance of living turns into the perfunctory masturbation of daily life, call me. There’s always rooms available.
Here’s what I’ve got, though: I’ve got drawbridges, a coffee plant, and porno. Rent a car. Get a hotel. Fly in, buy something from a chain, and get drunk on a bucket-sized drink at a clean bar at The Landing, a fake place conjured up–again–because some asshole thinks we need “placeness.” Watch the game and leave quickly on our well-paved roads.

Don’t demand “culture,” you art-fucks, or nightlife that doesn’t involve puking a night’s worth of shots into a toilet while bad house music plays in the background. Don’t demand that we be interesting. The whole point of the state is to not pay taxes and avoid losing your house when you declare bankruptcy, and the whole point of this town is to not worry about being a town. It’s a county, a geographical space where people use gas, eat food, and shit into the proper receptacle. Dazzle is not this business we are in.
And don’t blame us for the ACC championship game not selling 20,000 tickets, because it wasn’t our idea to entertain your asses, anyway. We wouldn’t buy the tickets if we were you, both because Boston College versus Virginia Tech is selling the same sandwich twice, and because once you get here, there’s no here to enjoy. And no one could care less about this than me, so go ahead and go to Charlotte next year and see if I care. Nowhere couldn’t care less.









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Brian says:
#44 – Oh yea, enjoy the bar at Chilis, TGI Fridays, Ruby Tuesday, and that chain of sports bars in FL with the Irish name, O’Shitholes or something.
#47 – Please do not speak of the Clairmont Lounge. That place is bad bad bad bad bad news. True Statement though.
November 30th, 2007 at 3:33 pm
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LL says:
Rival @ 42:
The Parkview Inn?!? Yikes! That place has been condemned for about 5 years now and for a while before that it was a home to a bunch of crackheads. It’s amazing that someone had it in a travel package. Wow.
November 30th, 2007 at 3:36 pm
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Randall R. Randall says:
I have had the unfortunate pleasure of living in this backwater sh*t-hole for the last 5 years… and couldn’t have said it better myself. Somebody please buy my house so I can get outta here.
November 30th, 2007 at 3:40 pm
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LL says:
Let’s be honest: A Wake Forest vs. GATech ACCCG last year mixed with bad weather did not help the city of Jax at all.
Along with that, having lived here for a long time, Jax does not have a great nightlife. It’s a business town where a huge chunk of downtown is occupied by First Baptist Church and their interests. There’s only a handful of decent bars downtown and 3 of them are 1 block from the County Jail (aka the Forsyth St. Hilton). For a better time, head to the bars at the beach.
November 30th, 2007 at 3:42 pm
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Katy says:
#42: I feel fairly certain that not only have I been to the Parkview, but that I was probably your date to that game. Ga/Fla 1999? Are you Chris?
November 30th, 2007 at 4:18 pm
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LL says:
Look at The Parkview Inn Memories bringing people back together! It’s another EDSBS Miracle!
November 30th, 2007 at 4:20 pm
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reb pup says:
Ahhhh, good ‘ol Duuuuval County/Jacksonville Land of the real man and the blazin sun!.
Is Whackos bikini bar still jumpin on Emerson street? (it is +booze -boobs)
November 30th, 2007 at 4:21 pm
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Katy says:
Oh yeah – the Parkview staff wouldn’t let us have any towels (note: I don’t mean they wouldn’t let us have MORE towels, I mean they wouldn’t let us have ANY towels). We asked if we could use their turbans to try off. They were less than pleased.
November 30th, 2007 at 4:24 pm
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LL says:
reb pup @ 57:
Wacko’s is alive and running strong! Every once in a while they’re on the news getting popped because the girls are offering certain “favors” that are against the law.
Oh, and they advertise that they now serve lunch, too.
November 30th, 2007 at 4:33 pm
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chris says:
Hey, at least in Jacksonville we’re pretty good at that black people murdering each other over petty drug money thing
right?
November 30th, 2007 at 4:35 pm
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beast in 'bama says:
Don’t you know that paper mills smell like money, son? Well, maybe not anymore…
November 30th, 2007 at 4:39 pm
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Edsall might be Lucifer says:
Hokie Andrew – I’d love to see where Va. Tech got twice the revenue sharing. Last I saw, the ACC was outpacing the Big East but not by that great of a margin. And the Big East just got an uber-sweet basketball deal that actually trumped the ACC’s.
It’s simple: the Big East will eventually make more money than the ACC. Why? Big markets, specifically New York City. Once Notre Dame starts playing three Big East teams at least a year, that will get New York talking. As long as Rutgers stays relevant, that gets New York interested in college football. If only Pitt & Syracuse could get their act together, the conference would have some tradional names along with the newbies.
Most important, Big East football now has its powerhouse in West Virginia. And if the crew (Slaton/White/Devine) returns in tact next year, they will be preseason #1 and the most talked-about team in the country.
The funny thing about the whole raid is that it made the Big East a better basketball conference, one that is superior to the ACC from top to bottom, and has the possibility to be a better football conference.
Sorry this is so long but basically, the descent of FSU & Miami has killed the footballl rep and the addtion of Miami/VT for football reasons has killed the conference’s basketball rep. Good job Swofford.
November 30th, 2007 at 4:42 pm
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peterpancomplex says:
I was born and bred in Jax. It’s not a city you’d like to visit, unless you’re talking WLOCP.
That said, it is the best place on Earth to grow up. You realize very early your city isn’t like the ones on TV or down south. Then you get pissed off you live in Florida, but 300 miles from Miami. Then you learn to make your own fun, in one of the sketchiest, dirtiest, “shitholes” in the country. Sound bad? Not when you’re 17 and have the strangest desire to chainsaw, burn, maim, or otherwise destroy whatever the hell the want. Cops? Ha! There ain’t no cops! This is…
DUUUUUUVAAAAALLLL!
The lack of a public education system is troubling, though.
November 30th, 2007 at 4:45 pm
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DHC says:
I would gladly pay $100 to be a fly on the wall when this was read by a commisar in the Jacksonville Municipal Department of Tourism and/or Better Business Bureau.
There are really three letters that completely encapsulate the City of Jacksonville: m. e. h.
November 30th, 2007 at 4:50 pm
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Albino Tornado says:
Eric:
Putting the game in DC makes much, much more sense than putting it in Charlotte. The ACC hoops tourney (which is much more relevant) is already in North Carolina; Greensboro, specifically.
November 30th, 2007 at 5:11 pm
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John says:
If Bank of America Stadium had a dome, the game would have never been in Jacksonville in the first place. Sure, the weather might an issue, but considering last year, Jacksonville isn’t exactly Pasadena or San Diego.
If the game was in Charlotte this year, it would be an absolute sell-out because it’s only three hours away from Blacksburg. Last year’s game probably would have much better attended because you have had casual Wake fans, and Tech fans would have been more likely to dive to Charlotte.
November 30th, 2007 at 5:30 pm
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Papa Lou BSU says:
Spent three days in Jax on business a few years ago, and that was about two days and 23 hours too long.
That said, Charlotte? Really? That’s an improvement? There are at least six cities in North Carolina alone that are more fun than Charlotte (all three cities in the Triangle, Asheville, Winston-Salem and Wilmington)…
Now Charleston, SC? Hell, I think *I’d* fly down for that one, and I’m not even an ACC fan. Lunch at Jestine’s followed by multiple Cheerwine-and-bourbons… we’d all need to wear seersucker, though.
November 30th, 2007 at 5:33 pm
68
John says:
The Charleston idea is very charming, but there is one slight snag. Conference championship games are considered part of the postseason and NCAA has a postseason ban for South Carolina and Mississippi because of the Confederate flag controversy.
A couple years ago, ESPN was planning on having a bowl game in Charleston called the Palmetto Bowl but they pulled the plug when they released the NCAA wouldn’t approve it.
November 30th, 2007 at 5:50 pm
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ACC_Expat says:
[deleted screed lambasting Charlotte, John Swofford, the idea of holding The Tournament in Florida, ACC expansion and related topics]
OK, now that I’ve let out some of my red-hot rage over what my beloved conference has become, a few things:
1. Greensboro is the capital of the ACC: it is the home of the conference offices, home of Stamey’s and the rightful and true home of the conference’s showpiece event
(I’m going to run on a ‘Greensboro and Home-and-Home!” platform when I declare myself as a candidate for the NC Gubernatorial race)
2. The NC, anti-expansion crowd loves it when the football championship game is an embarrassment. Anything that makes Swoffie look like the tool that he is generally works for us.
3. Would any South Carolinians like to open up trade negotiations? We will give you Charlotte AND Gaston County for Charleston.
Yours in bitterness,
ACC_Expat
blue-blooded North Carolinian
(Give me home and home or give me death!)
November 30th, 2007 at 5:59 pm
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Techie says:
Screw the Big East. 16 teams in BB? What a joke. All so “We got 7 teams in the Tourney last year” No other BCS conference allows teams that don’t play D1-A football.
NYC has never cared about college football. Not even back during the glory days of Army. Nobody recruits out of NYC for football.
November 30th, 2007 at 6:15 pm
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steve says:
I’ve been to a large number of major cities in the US and all over the world. Everywhere from Sydney to San Franciscohave their shitty sides. All of you bashing my not so much small city but big town, are acting as if you all grew up in the uppper west side of NYC or La Jollaa . Jacksonville is nicely tucked away from the real shitty parts of FL, I.e. Miami and tourist trap Orlando…our state capital sucks like you wouldn’t believe. . Our ctown isn’tabout downtown nightlife or all the time predictable weather, its about family life and good southern tradition. We have our flaws, but at least we have a lower crime rate than our nation’s capotal. And we have beautiful neighborhoods and waterfont properties that make this town a hidden jewel. I’m glad none of you like it here…stay the fuck out!
November 30th, 2007 at 6:32 pm
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Russ says:
@15 – yeah, canceling the game altogether would probably be the wisest move. The man knew what he meant.
November 30th, 2007 at 6:38 pm
73
willet says:
#51 Brian
Case in point. Those are for tools like you also
November 30th, 2007 at 6:51 pm
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BurritoBrosShits says:
Wow, as a born and raised Jacksonvillian(?) I must shed a tear for Orson’s mastery of travelougue. Though I must say that FUCKING BC FANS DON”T TRAVEL. Fucking clam chowder eating motherfuckers.
Hey, I know Jacksonville. Our culture sucks, the economy is a mystery, the Jags are irrelevent, drug problems are rampant, murder rate is tremendous, it takes half an hour to get any where, and everybody is fucking either moving out or toward the beach (moved to Ponte Vedra in ‘93 if anyone cares). Still Duval and St. Johns are my home and will always smell like shit to me.
Btw, LL the lunch at Wacko’s is balla’. Prime Rib and titties? Where do I sign up.
November 30th, 2007 at 7:30 pm
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vinny says:
63 nailed it.
November 30th, 2007 at 8:30 pm
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montani semper liberi says:
Nice post Edsal. The ACC screwed itself and the pitiful gate for the game that determines the Orange Bowl loser shows it. Don’t blame JAX, the gate would be about the same in Charlotte. Jacksonville, I sincerely hope you can escape the weekend without being blinded by all of that godawful orange worn by castrated turkeys.
November 30th, 2007 at 9:29 pm
77
Gatorgirl says:
#71
Well said! Not born here, but have lived here since I was 6 months old. Great place to grow up and live!
November 30th, 2007 at 10:07 pm
78
Gatorgirl says:
Also, I do not see anyone else’s city being a guest columnist. So we’ve got that going for us.
November 30th, 2007 at 10:10 pm
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Ryan says:
@ #74,
As an example- What BC fan would want to travel out to Boise?Seriously.
November 30th, 2007 at 10:25 pm
80
Dante says:
#71, lower crime rate than our nation’s capitol? You’re really trying to show how good the crime rate is in Jacksonville by comparing it to the world’s largest crack house? Jacksonville is just big enough to not be small town and just small enough not to be a big city. I guess if you like that sort of thing then good for you, but in my opinion, that’s the worst of both worlds. I’d rather live in a proper small town.
Anyone not from Jacksonville think it’s a great place to live? Retarded kids don’t know they’re retarded. Just like Jacksonville natives don’t see anything wrong with the city. I guess they just don’t know any better.
November 30th, 2007 at 10:27 pm
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adam (the gay one) says:
ahhh. fuck all that shit. 30 minutes to get to anywhere? stop living on the southside. ortega, avondale, riverside, downtown, springfield, san marco. the urban neighborhoods rock in jax. it’s just that anyone over 30 or with a DMB tshirt lives near the TGIFridays on southside blvd. check out TSI, the pearl, chew, eclipse, shanty town, burrito gallery, opaq, starlite, wallstreet, biscottis, casbah, london bridge, inertia records, or any of the other independent places in the urban core for some cool stuff. you just won’t find it at the beach or any of the outer neighborhoods.
December 1st, 2007 at 12:32 am
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Bob Vanasse says:
This town is so absurdly lame and second tier it really makes me wonder who in the ACC chose it. Having been to Charlotte, I woule not normally suggest returning there, but from what I have seen thus far, Charlotte is far more cosmopolitan than Jacksonville. I think the ACC championship and the basketball tournament should stick with real cities like Boston, DC, Atlanta, Miami, etc. Second-tier cities should be ruled out prima facia.
December 1st, 2007 at 3:08 am
83
Diesel says:
Edsall, unfortunately you are pipe dreaming. Rutgers is not relevant, they got back in their Pumpkin Carriage this year after being handled by 10 at home to Maryland. With the exception of West Virginia, everybody in the Big East football conference is on about the level of Maryland or below. Pitt, Syracuse, and Louisville are all god awful. Rutgers, UConn, South Florida (whom WVU lost to), and Cincinnati are all average to below average at best, none would have a shot to win any other BCS conference. And that brings us to WVU, nobody in the country believes they are better than Oklahoma, USC, LSU, Florida, Georgia or even Virginia Tech. The best thing WVU ever did was stop playing Virginia Tech every year, the team that bent them over with relative ease in Morgantown in 2005. WVU has played exactly one team that was ranked in the top 20 this year at the time they played them, and now they lost. They beat ZERO top 20 teams. VT fans should be slapping themselves for leaving the Big East now, considering they could have possibly played for 3 national titles in a row.
December 1st, 2007 at 8:41 am
84
Techie says:
Nah, I’d wager the Hokies like the increased SOS.
December 1st, 2007 at 10:15 am
85
Jmuthaf'nT says:
none of you have ever been out to the beaches on 4th of july riding bikes
December 1st, 2007 at 10:45 am
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chris says:
81 knows what’s up
i spent a year living in working in riverside getting so stoned an shitdrunk and riding bikes all around at night doing whatever. i was never once approached by a cop, despite seeing them every fifteen minutes. jacksonville is somewhere you can go to disappear
like the bottom of a river
December 1st, 2007 at 11:08 am
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Brandon Lang says:
As a Citadel graduate, the Charleston idea is an excellent one. During my time there in the 80’s, the 1-AA championship game was held there for a couple of years. I haven’t lived there for a while, but I happened to be there this week and it is still a great place to be.
Johnson Hagood Stadium is currently under renovation. There was discussion of building a larger stadium across the street to accomodate a bowl game or another similar event (the ACC Championship game was mentioned).
The confederate flag postseason ban was quietly lifted a few years ago. NCAA regional baseball games are regularly played in the state now. I don’t believe that bowl games are considered “postseason” games by the NCAA, as there is no recognzied playoff system in 1-A.
The reason that the Palmetto Bowl was scrapped was due to $$$. ESPN would not give a long-term commitment and the school had trouble convincing the state to provide $$ toward a stadium that might only have a bowl game for a few years.
Charleston is a great city and a great place for any sporting event.
December 1st, 2007 at 1:01 pm
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J.J. says:
Eighty-some comments about how crummy Jacksonville is and the only posters with any balls are the ones from Jax. Where do the rest of you asshats call “home”? Jax is a great place to live. That the city doesn’t provide what a bunch of filthy, low rent tourists are looking for is what makes J’ville special. You slobs blow into town to watch a football game, sleep ten to a room, walk around with $40 in your wallet, and act indignant that prostitutes and titty bars are so hard to find. You ‘wads couldn’t find your own ass with both hands and a flashlight. The Landing Sucks? Then don’t go there. It was only put there to keep scum like you from venturing out into nice parts of town where you do not belong, and where cops DO routinely taze asswipes like yourselves. Bashing Jax is your prerogative, but ‘fess up pillowbiters. You have Jax envy and would love to live here if not for the excessive one-way drop off fees imposed by U-Haul. So you settle for visiting Jax once every year or two, and then just pace up and down Bay Street, with your 40 bucks burning a hole in your pocket, wondering why Jax is such a dead town. Morons.
December 1st, 2007 at 3:06 pm
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Gatorgirl says:
Well you guys don’t have to worry about coming to Jax for at least one football game now. ACC fans are absolutely pathetic. Support your damn team! I saw more Gator/Seminole/Hurricane fans wandering around the stadium than BC fans. Pathetic.
December 1st, 2007 at 5:38 pm
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Jax says:
88
That was classic..
Rack him.
December 2nd, 2007 at 2:56 am
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poop says:
For everyone bashing Jax, where the hell do the rest of you live? There’s a lot of shitholes in this country, but I can’t imagine every single one of you Jax bashers doesn’t possibly live in one as well.
I love how one visit for a day or two can sum up a whole town just like that for some of you.
I know the simpleminded rhetoric will be “Well I only need that much time to figure out it sucked”, but Jacksonville has a lot of offer its just not always evident on the outside, you have to dig a little. It might not be that special as a whole, but it has its awesome spots if you know where to look, and know what you enjoy.
Going down to the damn Landing and then a considerably empty stadium afterwards to watch a boring ass ACC game doesn’t sum up the whole town. And who the fuck uses a travel package to stay at the Parkview Inn? Do a little damn research for christ sakes into where you’re staying in a foreign town.
December 3rd, 2007 at 11:40 am
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gamedaytribe says:
I just read this on Oct 28th, 2009. So totally, outstandingly cool and clean and fresh and full of
whispery mysteriousness that I had to say thank you. Great writing. Like heady wine, the kind
that makes your head suddenly get all electrically sensitive and your cheeks hurt.
A lovely experience to be reading it and responding here in 2009. Something about stopping by
when everybody has read it and gone, like sitting in a stadium many hours after the game,
the crowds gone, and silence echoing in the halls is just very satisfying in a quiet, ghostly, lonely way.
I’m going to make a habit of it. It’s like stepping back in time – it’s suddenly 2007 and Dennis
Dixon’s injury still has me reeling in pain and none of the events of 2008 and 2009 have
happened yet. Finding stuff to read that makes your brain buzz with pleasure is rare enough
that I’ll take it where I get it, but prowling the ghosts of Internet corridors past is proving to have
unexpected, pleasurable upsides.
that I take it where I can find it. Prowling the ghosts of Internet
October 28th, 2009 at 10:41 pm