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November 17, 2007

OPEN THREAD, WEEK TWELVE

So, where’re you from?

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rudy (not the guy from notre dame) says:

oklahoma @ 263

the worst thing that happened to college football was the suspension of regular meetings between nebraska and oklahoma.

until this travesty is righted, college football shall never be college football again.

November 18th, 2007 at 11:52 am
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BJ and The Bear says:

“LSU backed into the NCG in 2003 and beat a conference runner-up for a share of the NC.”

Backed into by winning their last seven games and destroying Georgia in Atlanta? Ain’t no kinda backed into I’m familiar with. They went over USC because they had a higher SoS. As for winning against conference runner ups, *shrug*. Barry Switzer never won an MNC against anything else.

November 18th, 2007 at 12:14 pm
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The Artist Formerly Known as tOSUBuckeyes says:

So Saban takes credit for LSU’s success and blames his team’s failures on Shula.

You got yourselves a real winner right there boys. I am so glad we have someone with class and integrity.

Hard to blame Bama too much though, they did what any failing business does when the well runs dry and the people within their organization can not produce talent and groom people from within, they go outside and buy the competitions best man, overpay for him, and hope he brings all of his clients with him.

In the business world that is considered a last stitch effort to keep things afloat. It’s usually good to keep things going for a little while, but eventually, when your organization can’t get things done the right way from the top down, it is just a matter of time before that ONE guy who you overpaid for decides to take his clients somewhere else and move on….and what are you left with???????? The same failing organization you had before you overpaid for your competitions best man.

November 18th, 2007 at 12:19 pm
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BJ and The Bear says:

“What�s really rich about Bama�s loss to LMAO is that Saban actually had the gall to blame Shula�s staff for the loss.”

Sounds like he came close. I wonder if Alabama thinks they are on the verge of winning the SEC next year? Saban did that in his 2nd year at LSU. He’ll go to his death bed regretting that the ever left that job.

November 18th, 2007 at 12:23 pm
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The Artist Formerly Known as tOSUBuckeyes says:

#266
Backing into the NCG happens when you start the first week of the BCS ratings at 12th and everyone in front of you loses, which is what LSU did that year. In case you forgot, it took all kinds of teams losing in order for LSU to get there. Plus K-State killed OU 35-7 in the conference championship game and Georgia barely got by Purdue 34-27 that year.

November 18th, 2007 at 12:24 pm
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BJ and The Bear says:

“Backing into the NCG happens when you start the first week of the BCS ratings at 12th and everyone in front of you loses, which is what LSU did that year.”

Then all teams with early losses who make it to the BCSCG “back into” it which renders the term useless. You finish with fewer losses than all but one or two other BCS representatives and you haven’t backed into anything

Hey, Florida “backed into” the game last year after losing the Auburn and ended up embarrassing you in front of the world. That’s the kind of “backed into” I can get behind as well. : )

“In case you forgot, it took all kinds of teams losing in order for LSU to get there.”

Wow, it takes other teams losing more games than you in order to make it to a championship game? Who woulda thunk it?!

It took some teams losing for Florida to have a chance to destroy OSU. Know what we call the 2006 Florida Gators? BCS National Champions.

“Plus K-State killed OU 35-7 in the conference championship game and Georgia barely got by Purdue 34-27 that year.”

In other news, the Sun is hot.

Miami played a Nebraska team in 2000/01 that didn’t even make the BTCG. Know what we call that Miami team today? BCS National Champions.

November 18th, 2007 at 12:40 pm
307

NewAZTiger says:

No matter how much backing up tOSU does this year, they’re not making the MNC game.

November 18th, 2007 at 12:46 pm
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The Artist Formerly Known as tOSUBuckeyes says:

Here is the 2006 version of Alabama against ULM:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJqLlhz7Bb8

The only difference between Shula’s 2006 squad is a year of experience and a 32 million dollar upgrade in coaching.

When is everyone going to wake up and realize that LSU’s talent pool, the media, Mark Dantonio, Will Muschamp, and Jimbo Fisher made Saban what he is and without those top 3 recruiting classes and backing into a national championship game against a conference runner-up he is an average coach at best, and according to those who have worked with him, he’s not exactly the most personable guy either.

November 18th, 2007 at 12:50 pm
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BJ and The Bear says:

“No matter how much backing up tOSU does this year, they�re not making the MNC game.”

Hey, if Kansas goes undefeated through the BTCG, they will have “backed into” the BCSCG. Why? Because when the first BCS poll was released they were ranked 14th. They required that teams like OSU, ASU, BC and USF all lose in order to give them a shot. So, in this hypothetical, they will have beaten every team in front of them, including a couple of top tens to finish the season, and “backed into” the BCSCG.

P.S. this is not a prediction, just an illustration of humorous Ohio logic. Maybe 41-14 has addled their brains?

November 18th, 2007 at 12:52 pm
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The Artist Formerly Known as tOSUBuckeyes says:

The 2003 LSU team started farther back in the BCS’ initial rankings than any other team in BCS history.

Doesn’t matter, the whole MNC is a joke. USC shares 1/2 of the NC that year so obviously not everyone in the country was convinced that LSU was the NC. With the system as flawed as it is we could argue all day long. The only thing we can not argue about are the teams that finish the year undefeated and beat a conference champion to win the NC.

November 18th, 2007 at 12:55 pm
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The Artist Formerly Known as tOSUBuckeyes says:

It’s really only backing into the MNCG if you have a regular season loss and everyone in front of you loses and your loss is the prettiest of the bunch. But like I said, the system is flawed and we could argue all day long.

November 18th, 2007 at 12:58 pm
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NewAZTiger says:

USC is going to get stripped of it’s MNC and a half.

Seems like Bush got paid and was on tape.

November 18th, 2007 at 12:59 pm
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Biggus Rickus says:

tOSU,

Did Saban kill your dog? Jesus fucking Chist. Yes, he’s an overhyped asshole. He’s also a good, not great, coach. His LSU team also did exactly what Florida did last season during the regular season. It is not their fault the system didn’t have them play USC, and they backed into nothing. Now, can you shut the fuck up?

November 18th, 2007 at 1:01 pm
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BJ and The Bear says:

“The 2003 LSU team started farther back in the BCS� initial rankings than any other team in BCS history.”

Shockingly insightful. I imagine we could find a team that started back even farther in the AP poll but won that trophy then claim that they “backed into” the AP championship. In this bizarre logic, pre and mid-season estimations attain probative importance equal to the outcome of a full season of games.

“Well, they went 11-0 and won the MNC that year but they weren’t ranked very high to begin with, farther back than any team in history actually, so their championship must be estimated downward.”

Who cares where they started? Three teams had 1 loss. They were one of them. They had the strongest SoS and won their conference. They earned that spot even if you think OU didn’t.

Now I guess a team that goes 12-0 then gets crushed 41-14 might find the BCS rankings of October more important than those hoisting the trophy in January. : )

November 18th, 2007 at 1:05 pm
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The Artist Formerly Known as tOSUBuckeyes says:

I don’t think Ohio State deserves to go to the NCG. Personally, I know we are not good enough this year. However, this is a rebuilding season, we’re breaking in a new quarterback and lost 2 first round WRs and a starting RB, not to mention 9 guys total in the draft.

I’m looking forward to the Rose bowl and our record 6th BCS bowl game. I also hope that this junior class, for once, decides to come back for a special year next year. The one thing that we have been missing since the 2002 season is the presence of a solid senior class.

November 18th, 2007 at 1:07 pm
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BJ and The Bear says:

“It�s really only backing into the MNCG if you have a regular season loss and everyone in front of you loses and your loss is the prettiest of the bunch. But like I said, the system is flawed and we could argue all day long.”

You mean you don’t need teams in front of you to lose in order to make it to the BCSCG if you don’t lose any games? Maybe you should have a conversation with Tommy Tubberville.

Now here’s a REAL definition of “backing into” a game. It means simply to play very poorly as you approach the game but *just* well enough to advance. That’s the common understanding and usage of the phrase in sports. OU backed into the 2003 game. LSU sure as heck didn’t.

November 18th, 2007 at 1:21 pm
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marcillac says:

Superb points Biggus and one would be hard pressed to dispute the overall burden of your comment.

However, you have no specfic knowledge whether
Saban killed TAFKTOSU’s dog. Based on what we know of his disposition it is quite likely that he has killed many dogs, TAKFOTSU’s quite possibly among them.

November 18th, 2007 at 1:23 pm
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BJ and The Bear says:

“Saban killed TAFKTOSU�s dog. Based on what we know of his disposition it is quite likely that he has killed many dogs, TAKFOTSU�s quite possibly among them.”

I don’t think he killed any. I do think many may have run away though.

November 18th, 2007 at 1:28 pm
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The Artist Formerly Known as tOSUBuckeyes says:

The correct game for 2003 should have been LSU vs. USC. You are correct, OU had no business being in the NCG after getting hammered 35-7 in the conference championship game. However, there is no mistaking that LSU lost to the 20th ranked team in the country during the regular season and started way back at the beginning of the BCS standings.

My main point was really that Saban has gotten more mileage out of 1/2 of a national championship and 2 SEC titles, one of which was won with 3 conference losses and a team in his division on probation, than any other coach in the country. And the only reason he is the highest paid coach in the country is because Mal Moore had more egg on his face than the griddle at Waffle House when Rich turned the job down to return to West Virginia and there was no way he was leaving his trip to Miami without Nick Saban…those same fans that were there to molest Saban would have been their to burn Moore at the stake had he not secured Saban.

November 18th, 2007 at 1:45 pm
320

Unhappy Monkey says:

Far more likely TAFKTSU’s dog killed itself.

November 18th, 2007 at 1:47 pm
321

Captain Awesome says:

276 –

prove it

November 18th, 2007 at 2:00 pm
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Biggus Rickus says:

Saban strikes me as more of a cat killer. The Artist Formerly Known as tOSU Buckeyes strikes me as a guy who doesn’t understand brevity and has a twisted shrine dedicated to Nick Saban.

November 18th, 2007 at 2:05 pm
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bnb614 says:

No matter how much backing up tOSU does this year, they�re not making the MNC game.

Comment by NewAZTiger � November 18, 2007 @ 12:46 pm

You speak with such authority like you have a choice in the matter. It depends how the games play out.

In all likelihood, I think the MNC will be LSU v West Virginia.

However if the following happens, OSU will be in the hunt:

West VA loses to UConn (slim) or LSU loses to Ark (slim)
Missouri beats Kansas or Kansas beats Missouri
then Oklahoma beats the winner of Missou vs Kansas.

THere is a good probability that the Big 12 will eat itself, which would leave LSU, West VA, and OSU in the top 3.

November 18th, 2007 at 2:13 pm
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DC Trojan says:

Them Oklahoma @ 243, you seem to be harboring some anger.

I think the record you were looking for Oklahoma against USC is:

1981, UO lost 24 – 28
1982, UO lost 0 – 12
1988, UO lost 7 – 23
1991, UO lost 10 – 20
2005, UO lost 19 – 55.

Apparently if you go further back in time there’s a couple of Oklahoma wins and a tie.

As for your opinion that Oklahoma would beat USC running away, the stats say they’re pretty well matched in defensive strength vs offensive strength, loss to Stanford or not. And SC lost to Stanford because they stunk it up on the field, not because of the usual officiating excuses.

November 18th, 2007 at 2:25 pm
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them oklahoma says:

288- of course there’s a little animosity towards usc. They’re one of a few teams (others being ND and Miami) that have tended to “have OU’s #”. So, yeah, I don’t like them. The behavior of the USC coaches recently (after the ‘05 ND USC game -couple of coaches taunted the student section. I was lucky enough to have a friend with tickets) hasn’t helped. I’m not saying OU would/will dominate USC, OU has injury issues of their own now. I’m also not saying that OU didn’t just plain suck on D last night either. Tech took advantage of that tampa-2 with shuttle passes that the OU staff never seemed to really grasp. Pisses me off that a fan can see this and, if a fan can see it…a coach should A) see it and B) fix it. That’s why they’re paid a great sum of money. They’re presumed to know how to fix it and then do so. If’s and But’s suck, but there were two last night that “could” have changed the game. Bradford’s head injury and the TD that was not called. I laughed my ass off at Oregon, but now I know all too well how it feels to lose to a team (as a fan) while knowing that “your” team is actually, in reality, the better team. But back to the original point, I do want to see an OU vs. usc bowl game.

November 18th, 2007 at 2:38 pm
326

johnnydog says:

did you see the signs at ann arbor on espn Gameday?

http://footballjesus.wordpress.com/2007/11/18/best-signs-at-espn-college-gameday-ann-arbor/

November 18th, 2007 at 2:39 pm
327

doghawk says:

What did I say? Since Jason White retir…err, graduated, Oklahoma has not had two effective QB’s on the roster, and that happens to coincide with the loss of Mike Stoops, Mike Leach, and Mark Mangino. They are a very good team still, and Bob Stoops is predicated on D, which they’ve still been pretty damn good at, it’s just that after those three left, they haven’t had the same caliber of offensive talent. (AD not withstanding). I’m aware that Leach was only there one year, but that’s 4 years worth of talent, Mangino there 3, left in ‘01, and he was known as one of the lead recruiters there and maybe not coincidentally after he left K-State to go to OU, that is when they started going downhill. Don’t ask me how Mangino is a great recruiter, he just is…no bias, look it up.

November 18th, 2007 at 2:40 pm
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Futbawl Fan says:

let’s move on to next weekends’ hate, shall we?….

Ala: 22 Nat’l Champships awarded by the Tooth Fairy

Auburn: Awarded something by the ear fairy

Alabama Fans: happy to have children with Waffle House waitress

Auburn Fans: Happy to name their children Waffle House ShugBoPat

Alabama Fans: Fear the next finger

Auburn Fans: not sure how to count past 5

The gauntlet is thrown

November 18th, 2007 at 2:53 pm
329

Gurn says:

Nick Saban doesn’t have time to game plan for Louisiana Monroe.

November 18th, 2007 at 3:01 pm
330

stapler says:

Is anyone more obsessed with Saban than TAFKTSU? The shit is kind of getting old.

November 18th, 2007 at 4:34 pm
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PW says:

However if the following happens, OSU will be in the hunt:

West VA loses to UConn (slim) or LSU loses to Ark (slim)
Missouri beats Kansas or Kansas beats Missouri
then Oklahoma beats the winner of Missou vs Kansas.

LSU could also lose to UGA or UT, which is probably more likely to happen than them losing to Ark.

November 18th, 2007 at 4:48 pm
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bnb614 says:

I would think they would have a harder time beating Georgia than Tennessee but my dislike for the snith Fulmer could have something to do with that.

Also yesterday you said about OSU, you count a win over 4-win Washington as noteworthy?

And I said yes I do. I also want to point out that Washington beat California yesterday who thumped Tennessee. Just saying………

November 18th, 2007 at 5:06 pm
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bnb614 says:

that should read “the snitch Fulmer”

November 18th, 2007 at 5:12 pm
334

CLTDawg says:

Would all you tosu guys please shut the fuck up? You have one title in the last 30+ years and YOU BACKED INTO IT. Had it not been for the UNIVERSALLY (outside the shithole that is Columbus) recognized WORST CALL EVER by an officiating crew, you have nothing to talk about and you are still licking Woody’s sack as the greatest coach ever. For a team with supposed history in football, you sound like a bunch of fans that has just discovered winning (YES – I AM looking at you Florida). So please, do us all a favor, and go cry on Michigan’s boards.

November 18th, 2007 at 5:16 pm
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PW says:

a win against Washington, Cal, or Tenn this season is not noteworthy. it may have seemed noteworthy at the time, but subsequent events have revealed it to be merely a win, but not a noteworthy one.

November 18th, 2007 at 5:19 pm
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HogTied says:

send Tebow to UA and McFadden to Florida then tell me who is the Heisman winner. all I’m saying is my guy will still have the numbers and yours will be runner up if that. GO HOGS!

November 18th, 2007 at 5:27 pm
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bnb614 says:

Put your team out there CTLDawg. How many championships in the last 30 years?

If you don’t want to read about football discussion on an OPEN THREAD then don’t read.

November 18th, 2007 at 5:38 pm
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bnb614 says:

You are right, OSU backed into a title. They were 14-0. Sounds like they really backed in.

Teams ranked at the top early is all based on name recognition or Kansas would have been #1 a few weeks ago. So to imply that any team not ranked high at the beginning of the season somehow backs into a title is such a dumb argument.

November 18th, 2007 at 5:40 pm
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PW says:

bnb614,

your compatriot TAFKATOSUB is the one positing that your initial BCS ranking is the determinative factor in whether or not you “backed into” the MNC.

I think CLTDawg was just applying his faulty reasoning to tOSU’s championship to show how ridiculous it was.

November 18th, 2007 at 5:49 pm
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bnb614 says:

OK PW gotcha. I don’t think someone backs into a title. If you have 0,1, or 2 losses and make it to the title game, you deserve the win, (unless Oklahoma would have won in 2003 Sugar Bowl)

Seriously, that is one of the other things that sucks about the system. Pre-season polls which have been found to be mostly inaccurate play a big deal on where you start/finish. Early season losses hurt less than late season, etc. Until we have some sort of playoff, there will always be arguments re: deserving/non-deserving.

November 18th, 2007 at 6:14 pm
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bnb614 says:

FYI, Lloyd Carr confirmed he is retiring tomorrow.

November 18th, 2007 at 6:51 pm
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SpartanDan says:

#183 (Artist):

Not sure why you count baseball as one of the major sports. There are only two major ones nationwide (nobody up north gives a damn about baseball season because everyone’s home for the summer by the time it starts), football and basketball. Hockey is probably the third sport for most of the north – and MSU not only has won each, they’ve won each multiple times.

November 18th, 2007 at 7:40 pm
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D-nice says:

What a weird fucking season.

I’ll pencil LSU into the NC game, but think Georgia could beat them if they get to Atlanta (come on KY).

As for the other NC participant – The winner of Kansas-Mizzou, if they win the Big 12 Championship Game, which they have a good chance of losing. If that happens, then West Virginia? Good team, but talk about backing into a NC.

USC has stabilized and with Dixon out for the season and Brady Leaf sucking, the Ducks will probably lose again, and that means USC-ASU winner going to the Rose Bowl.

USC has put together a decent seasons, at least as decent as it could be while losing to Stanford. But, for the first time in Carroll’s tenure, they don’t have much of an indentity going into next season. Yeah, great recruting class, but it will be interesting to see if Pete sticks around and gets to the top again. To me that’s what makes legenday coaches. Many can ride one wave to the top and win a NC, but to go downhill and then climb back up again is much more impressive.

November 19th, 2007 at 2:54 am
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D-nice says:

I don’t think USC will lose their MCN and a half. It’s been repeated over and over that even with Bush on tape, if the school didn’t know, they’ll keep the championships.

That said, even though I’m a USC fan, I’m not stupid enough to believe that someone at USC didn’t know. But, I also beleive that no concrete proof of that fact will be found.

November 19th, 2007 at 10:18 am
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CLTDawg says:

@ 337

Exactly my point.

And BTW, we (UGA, how could you miss that in the spelling of the word Dawg?) have as many titles (1) in the last 30 years as tosu. As for tosu – we handed ‘em an ass beatin’ in the ‘92 bowl season (only time we played ‘em). Ask Herbstreit about it, I’m SURE he remembers it.

November 20th, 2007 at 9:38 pm