VIRGINIA: NOT GAY AND PROUD
Virginia’s fight song is played to the tune of “Auld Lang Syne” and has the following lyrics:
We come from old Virginia,
Where all is bright and gay.
Let’s all join hands and give a yell
For dear old UVa.
Antiquated verbiage is common enough in fight songs, but UVA students have gotten around singing the word “gay” by hollering “NOT GAY!” over the lyric when sung. This counter has drawn the ire of gay and lesbian student groups, who claim the “NOT GAY!” cheer…
“…marginalizes the gay community by creating an environment in which certain people who may or may not identify as gay do not feel welcome.””
So there’s heated student editorials (”Not gay and proud of it,” by a freshman at UVA), a lot of hooting and poop-tossing going back and forth, and flyers being handed out urging people not to sing the “NOT GAY” cheer when the song is sung. The whole thing reeks of tempest-in-teapot, especially when you consider some of the other hidden antiquated or potentially offensive language in fight songs and alma maters.
For instance:
1. Advocacy of murder of outsiders.
Once two strangers climbed on rocky top,
Lookin for a moonshine still.
Strangers aint come back from rocky top,
Guess they never will.
2. Bizarre pagan bear worship, as in Cal’s “Fight for California:”
Our sturdy Golden Bear,
Is watching from the skies,
Looks down upon our colors fair,
And guards us from his lair.
2. Um…intrastate mass homicide, as in Georgia Tech’s “White and Gold:”
So then it’s up with the White and Gold
Down with the Red and the Black
Georgia Tech is out for a victory
We’ll drop our battle axe on Georgia’s head, CHOP!
So, a bit of a tiff about being gay or chanting “not gay” might be the least of a university’s worries, really, what with every other fight song on the planet openly and giddily pushing for the murder of an opponent. (HT: Fesser.)









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Brian says:
I thought they didn’t come down from rocky top because they got drunk as ballz off the shine? No?
The gayest thing about UVa is their first down cheer. Also, Terps fans are unclassy and lame.
GT needs a drinking fight song because its all we have. I got an economics degree, so I used to sing helluva financier, I think that might be the gayest, right there, if you are looking for gayness, you found it…oil me up hot stuff!
November 15th, 2007 at 4:23 pm
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SEC Supremacist says:
Damn you Orson. Now I’ve got Rocky Top stuck in my head. Except I sing the alternate lyrics (Auburn version) which includes “F@ck you Rocky Top, you’ll never mean one damn thing to me!” It was doubly fun beating them the second time around in 04. What happened to my team when I’m slightly nervous about the Bama game?
November 15th, 2007 at 4:25 pm
53
Coop says:
Honestly, a South Carolina fan referring to what other schools do as gay?
Wow, just wow.
“Well yeah but down here in the Bible belt justifiable murder of one’s opponent or your whore of a wife is so much more acceptable than someone daring to go outside the box (or munch box) and (gasp!) go against God’s plan.”
The above is not sarcasm, or a bad joke. It is mere condescension, nothing more.
Again, Delta remains ready whenever you are. We can have you in Cleveland by nightfall if that is where you want to be.
November 15th, 2007 at 4:28 pm
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DC Trojan says:
why is it wrong to assert our religious and political views at the juncture, as we should be able to at any juncture?
I’m taking tomorrow off so I can drive down to Charlottesville and heckle that pompous little fucker as he leaves classes – as I should be able to at any juncture.
November 15th, 2007 at 4:28 pm
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WDamnE says:
Hey #48, I’ll play.
You know how I know UVA’s gay?
Because they’re scared to hear the word gay in their own damn fight song.
November 15th, 2007 at 4:29 pm
56
RIP Logan Young says:
34
Why take shit so seriously, bra?
November 15th, 2007 at 4:30 pm
57
HooShotYa says:
All who dare impugn the unbridled, Gregory Peck-ish masculinity of Cavman shall be taken for the most brutal of mustache rides on his wax-curled nose duster.
November 15th, 2007 at 4:30 pm
58
Brian says:
DC, can we carpool? I have a giant black dildo I want to tease him with.
November 15th, 2007 at 4:31 pm
59
ESMjr. says:
I always enjoyed the mid-90s alternate lyrics: “rocky top, you’ll always be, second in the SEC…”
November 15th, 2007 at 4:31 pm
60
DC Trojan says:
We can have you in Cleveland by nightfall if that is where you want to be.
What, the oil-lamps don’t throw enough light after dusk down that-a-way?
See, that’s condescension.
November 15th, 2007 at 4:32 pm
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asim says:
I feel I should point out that “Up With the White and Gold” is actually a song we stole from Cal after the 1929 Rose Bowl.
Cal version is the “Stanford Jonah”, which, as one might imagine, advocates the axing of Stanford’s head.
The Tech version also got sped up and dropped the “CHOP” at some point in the past 70 years. (All I know is that it was well gone by the time I enrolled in 2003.)
Anyway, I doubt anyone cares, but I though I’d throw it out there.
November 15th, 2007 at 4:32 pm
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RIP Logan Young says:
Nothing’s gayer than those gaaaaaaay tiger tails that every AU skank in the state has hanging out the trunk of their car.
November 15th, 2007 at 4:32 pm
63
DC Trojan says:
DC, can we carpool? I have a giant black dildo I want to tease him with.
I guess so, but I think that’s like transporting a shotgun – you need to put that junk in the trunk.
Wait, that came out wrong….
November 15th, 2007 at 4:36 pm
64
Touchdown74 says:
#50
WTF?!?!?! The Village People were GAY?
November 15th, 2007 at 4:37 pm
65
Brian says:
Oh you know what’s def. def. gay: UGA players with mini scooters. That’s like tickle fight gay.
November 15th, 2007 at 4:38 pm
66
WDamnE says:
S – The Coach
Gayest bumper sticker ever.
November 15th, 2007 at 4:38 pm
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Cincy says:
In the mean time A&M just refers to good old fashioned cattle vandalism before going straight for the crotch massage.
“Saw varsity’s horns off, saw varsity’s horns off, …yadda yadda yadda”
“varsity’s horns are sawed off, varsity’s horns are sawed off… etc… (grab your nuts and be NOT GAY!!)
November 15th, 2007 at 4:42 pm
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SEC Supremacist says:
Gay- A school which gets angry when you don’t call them by their acronym. Louisiana State anyone? We almost got into a bar fight over that one.
November 15th, 2007 at 4:43 pm
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DevilGrad says:
Re Orson’s comment at #12: Or, to quote the one of the funniest signature lines in the history of MHT, “Sure, I’m for gay marriage . . . but only if both chicks are *really* hot.”
November 15th, 2007 at 4:45 pm
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Nathan Cameron says:
Cal gets a mention for “Fight for California.” Cal gets another mention for “Stanford Jonah” – the original version of of Georgia Tech’s “White and Gold.” Plus there’s this little Cal song:
We’re gonna scalp you, Stanford
We’re going to scalp you blue;
We’ll do it with your tomahawk
We took from you. Rah! Rah! Rah!
All ’round our belts we’ll hang them
To show all our friends who’s dead;
We’re gonna carve some blockheads
Whose scalps are red.
And I though Berkeley was supposed to be the champions of political correctness? Oh well …
November 15th, 2007 at 4:46 pm
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ESMjr. says:
56
seriously, eat shit.
November 15th, 2007 at 4:48 pm
72
oc phil says:
Coop: Back in #18 you assumed Orson was condeming male homsexualtiy, have you never seen Orson proclaim his gayness?
I dunno why you are so threatened by Sarah, you are coming off like the neighbor in “American Beauty”
November 15th, 2007 at 4:50 pm
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Catherine says:
Just to be clear, most of the students at UVA games don’t actually say the “not gay” chant. Its a select few who do, and its usually because they’re drunk and trying to piss people off. Since the meaning of the song is completely irrelevant to sexual orientation, these people really just look like dumbasses.
November 15th, 2007 at 4:54 pm
74
RIP Logan Young says:
71
I feel sorry for you.
November 15th, 2007 at 5:01 pm
75
RIP Logan Young says:
And nothing’s gayer, now that I think about it, than “War Damn Eagle.”
Oooh, he said “damn!”
November 15th, 2007 at 5:01 pm
76
John says:
Everybody’s school is gay except mine, especially said school arch-rival, who is supergay.
November 15th, 2007 at 5:02 pm
77
The Unorthodox Fox says:
#34:
+1 mason jar of moonshine to you.
#49:
Technically, by that point, they were Starship (no longer having the legal right the Jefferson Airplane or Jefferson Starship names). But it’s still one of my favorite cheez-rock tunes.
Coop: Isn’t it awfully cramped and stuffy there in the closet?
November 15th, 2007 at 5:03 pm
78
RIP Logan Young says:
76
YES!
November 15th, 2007 at 5:05 pm
79
Doug says:
#65:
Seriously, don’t go there. Flag boys who live in glass houses . . .
November 15th, 2007 at 5:08 pm
80
RIP Logan Young says:
You know what’s really gay? Brady Quinn.
And another thing that’s gay? When ND orders up those gay green jerseys for some big game, and then gets stomped. Actually, that’s not gay at all, but it’s funny as hell.
November 15th, 2007 at 5:12 pm
81
Mr Pelican Pants says:
I am sure we’ll be hearing from Boi from Troi , right about nowwwww, who’s definately not gai
November 15th, 2007 at 5:15 pm
82
wvjgrad69 says:
not that there’s anything wrong with that
November 15th, 2007 at 5:23 pm
83
Ltrain says:
Folks seem to have a gay ole’ time with those pom-poms…
November 15th, 2007 at 5:24 pm
84
Tater Salad says:
83:
They are shakers! Or stirrers, as the case may be.
November 15th, 2007 at 5:25 pm
85
now_a_hoo says:
Catherine’s right-
Almost no one says “not gay” anymore (though the VPI game will be my first this season; maybe it’s back).
Also, I always thought the “strangers” in Rocky Top were tax officials trying to enforce the liquor taxes, and that the implication was that they were murdered in cold blood for trying to enforce the law (taxes being one of the main reasons for distilling moonshine at home to begin with). I understand that this is considered good behavior in the deep dirty dirty, where they root against the United States when they watch civil war movies.
November 15th, 2007 at 5:30 pm
86
Techie says:
Ramblin’ Wreck is far superior, an ode to drinking and profanity if there ever was one.
I’m a Ramblin’ Wreck from Georgia Tech
And A Helluva Engineer
A Helluva Helluva Helluva Helluva Helluva Hell of an Engineer
Like all the jolly good fellows
I drink my whiskey clear
I’m a Ramblin’ Wreck from Georgia Tech
And A Helluva Engineer
Oh, If I Had a Daughter, Sir!
I’d dress her in White and Gold.
And put her on the campus
to cheer the brave and bold! (new version: to raise the ratio)
But, if I had a son, sir, I’d tell you what he’d do.
He would yell TO HELL WITH GEORGIA
Like his daddy used to do.
Oh if I had a barrel of rum and sugar three thousand pounds
A college bell to put it in.
A clapper to stir it around.
I’d drink to all the good fellows………who come from far and near.
I’m a Ramblin’ Gamblin’ HELL OF AN ENGINEER!
November 15th, 2007 at 5:49 pm
87
Cameron Siggs says:
a: i think they meant gay as the was it was formerly used, as in “happy.”
b: i know for a fact that a is correct.
c: flying confederate battle flags and football: IT’S WHAT THE SOUTH DOES.
d: having only read about 40 of the above posts, it seems to me that we’ve gotten distracted from the main issue here:
FLORIDA HAS THE WORST FIGHT SONG IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD. the orange and blue is the lamest, most generic, pointless, random jumble of old-school college generalizations that has EVER existed. WE DON’T HAVE FLAGS!!!!!ELEVENMILLIONONEHUNDREDELEVENTHOUSANDONEHUNDREDELEVEN!!!!!!@!!!!
sorry. i just hate our fight song. i’m re-working it.
November 15th, 2007 at 5:53 pm
88
Cameron Siggs says:
in fact, i remembered that i had written one about a year ago. here are the lyrics as they should be sung forever and ever by the gator nation.
Let’s give a yell for the Orange and Blue,
Fighting Forever.
We are the Pride of Old Florida,
May we lose never!
Up on your feet for the Team Today,
Fight for the Gator Way!
On to the Goal
We’ll Fight our Way for
Flor-I-Da!
November 15th, 2007 at 5:55 pm
89
Brian says:
Revised UF fight song: (sung to god bless america)
God Bless Florida,
State that I love.
Stand beside her, and guide her
In a fight with a knife in ‘da Club
From the grape fruit, to the grannies,
To the oceans, white with foam (that line I’ll keep)
God bless Florida, My home sweet home.
November 15th, 2007 at 6:06 pm
90
gerry dorsey says:
fwiw…all fight songs are pretty gay. go ahead…break down your school’s fight song…GAY!!! they’re only cool when you have jim beam coursing through your veins and your school has just hung 7 on some team you hate with every fiber of your being. a fight song in any other context than that is gay.
November 15th, 2007 at 6:07 pm
91
This Is Your Captain Speaking says:
#85: That’s what I’ve always understood Rocky Top to mean. Speaking of…what’s up with this verse?
Once there was a girl on rocky top,
Half bear the other half cat.
Wild as a mink, sweet as soda pop,
I still dream about that.
Is this some sort of bizarre hillbilly Island of Dr. Moreau?
November 15th, 2007 at 6:12 pm
92
Biggus Rickus says:
I have to agree with gerry dorsey that fight songs are gay in general. Exceptions being Notre Dame’s, Michigan’s, (begrudgingly) Georgia Tech’s and USC’s sounds good, though I have no idea what the words are.
November 15th, 2007 at 6:20 pm
93
Brian O'Blivion says:
All fight songs are gay. Period. Not as gay as writing LOL after something you type, but pretty gay. ELOHEL.
November 15th, 2007 at 6:22 pm
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Biggus Rickus says:
Brian O,
I contend that writing LOL in any context is gay. lol
November 15th, 2007 at 6:29 pm
95
Techie says:
Biggus, take solace that you’re going to lay 30+ pts. on us next week……………………………
Grrrrrr.
November 15th, 2007 at 6:40 pm
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Biggus Rickus says:
Techie,
Nah, you’ll play an inspired game and we’ll eke out a 20-16 win largely because your QB sucks.
November 15th, 2007 at 6:52 pm
97
Sarah says:
All fight songs are G-A-Y but Georgia’s cause the Battle Hymn of the Republic is so steadfastly straight by design … yet fab-u-lous. Glory, Glory bitches.
November 15th, 2007 at 6:55 pm
98
adam (the gay one) says:
time for the token:
UVA is gay. anyone who feels the need to scream NOT GAY is gay.
that’s science.
also, i though that phil jackson’s comment was fucking hilarious.
November 15th, 2007 at 6:58 pm
99
John says:
That good old song of Wah-hoo-wah,
We ‘ll sing it o ‘er and o ‘er.
It cheers our hearts and warms our blood
To hear them shout and roar.
We come from Old Virginia,
Where all is bright and NOT GAY.
Let’s all join hands and give a yell,
For the dear old UVa.
Wah-hoo-wah,
Wah-hoo-wah.
Uni-v, Virginia,
Hoo-rah-ray,
Hoo-rah-ray,
Ray! Ray! U-V-A!
courtesy of theSabre.com, bitches.
fuck political correctness, and go hoos go.
November 15th, 2007 at 7:39 pm
100
Mr Pelican Pants says:
If Tebow would go ahead and admit he is gay, it would do a lot for the Rainbow Coalition in Florida, and may even convert a few more fans that are on the fence, maybe even Mike Shula….12 hours at a recruits house? I’m just sayin……
November 15th, 2007 at 7:39 pm