VIRGINIA: NOT GAY AND PROUD
Virginia’s fight song is played to the tune of “Auld Lang Syne” and has the following lyrics:
We come from old Virginia,
Where all is bright and gay.
Let’s all join hands and give a yell
For dear old UVa.
Antiquated verbiage is common enough in fight songs, but UVA students have gotten around singing the word “gay” by hollering “NOT GAY!” over the lyric when sung. This counter has drawn the ire of gay and lesbian student groups, who claim the “NOT GAY!” cheer…
“…marginalizes the gay community by creating an environment in which certain people who may or may not identify as gay do not feel welcome.””
So there’s heated student editorials (”Not gay and proud of it,” by a freshman at UVA), a lot of hooting and poop-tossing going back and forth, and flyers being handed out urging people not to sing the “NOT GAY” cheer when the song is sung. The whole thing reeks of tempest-in-teapot, especially when you consider some of the other hidden antiquated or potentially offensive language in fight songs and alma maters.
For instance:
1. Advocacy of murder of outsiders.
Once two strangers climbed on rocky top,
Lookin for a moonshine still.
Strangers aint come back from rocky top,
Guess they never will.
2. Bizarre pagan bear worship, as in Cal’s “Fight for California:”
Our sturdy Golden Bear,
Is watching from the skies,
Looks down upon our colors fair,
And guards us from his lair.
2. Um…intrastate mass homicide, as in Georgia Tech’s “White and Gold:”
So then it’s up with the White and Gold
Down with the Red and the Black
Georgia Tech is out for a victory
We’ll drop our battle axe on Georgia’s head, CHOP!
So, a bit of a tiff about being gay or chanting “not gay” might be the least of a university’s worries, really, what with every other fight song on the planet openly and giddily pushing for the murder of an opponent. (HT: Fesser.)









1
Signal to Noise says:
“Wahoo Wah” always sounded like some sort of odd sexual position to me anyway.
November 15th, 2007 at 3:06 pm
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DC Trojan says:
That cavalier is kind of like Errol Flynn, who left no buckle un-swashed. And who could be more hetero than Errol Flynn?
Also, USC’s fight song doesn’t mention anyone else. Self-involved, us?
November 15th, 2007 at 3:10 pm
3
Sarah says:
Well yeah but down here in the Bible belt justifiable murder of one’s opponent or your whore of a wife is so much more acceptable than someone daring to go outside the box (or munch box) and (gasp!) go against God’s plan.
November 15th, 2007 at 3:10 pm
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RIP Logan Young says:
Why the self-loathing, Sarah? Get your heart in Dixie, or get the hell out, sweetheart.
November 15th, 2007 at 3:12 pm
5
Old School says:
And before you leave Sarah, iron my shirt and make me a sandwich.
November 15th, 2007 at 3:15 pm
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Sarah says:
No self-loathing here. Also, Georgia Tech’s little ditty doesn’t seem to rhyme or have any meter or rhythm … it makes me long for “I’m a ramblin’ wreck…” etc. At least our (UGA’s) admonishment of Tech sounds like a song.
November 15th, 2007 at 3:17 pm
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Oren Incandenza says:
Strangers ain’t come *DOWN* from rocky top,
*RECKON* they never will.
/lyrics nerd
November 15th, 2007 at 3:17 pm
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Biggus Rickus says:
Sarah,
I always thought it was God’s plan for every woman who is not sexing me to sex each other for my entertainment. Quite frankly, most of you are falling well short of grace in His eyes. Repent!
November 15th, 2007 at 3:19 pm
9
the modern gal says:
Just give ‘em a hotty toddy. They’ll loosen up.
November 15th, 2007 at 3:20 pm
10
Ted Ginn did Everythin' says:
No comment on fight songs, other than to say that Project Runway’s new cast could have attended UVA without irony.
November 15th, 2007 at 3:21 pm
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Coop says:
Sarah has the biggest bug in her ass of any woman I have ever interacted with ,and I am a lawyer, thus have attended law school.
Seriously, your righteous indignation over the Confederate battle flag, fight songs, and God knows what else, I am guessing you oppose men wearing ties because they represent some phallic supremacy symbol in your mind needs to take a break.
It is a satirical site, people laugh and insult their rivals on here.
You were that girl at UGa Law who answered all the questions in Con Law or other unimportant classes like Family Law, right?
Actually, Family Law is important because I want to make sure my fiance gets none of my loot when I leave her for a woman half her age in about 25 years.
Hey, the above was a JOKE! A J-O-K-E.
Stop taking everything so seriously, and get that bug removed from your backside.
Sincerely,
If I had son, I’d tell you what he’d do
He’d yell, “to hell with Georgia” like his daddy used to do
PS: Get over yourself.
November 15th, 2007 at 3:30 pm
12
Orson Swindle says:
Sarah, please stay as long as you like. Mars needs women. Plus, your encouragement of female-specific homosexuality seems to excite the men around here, who are at least fifty-one percent supportive of gay rights: fifty percent for woman on woman action, and one percent for pirate-on-pirate sex, because, well, pirates are cool and can do whatever they want because they’re pirates.
November 15th, 2007 at 3:32 pm
13
Heath says:
Boomer Sooner
Boomer Sooner
Boomer Sooner
Boomer Sooner
Boomer Sooner
Boomer Sooner!!!!!!
I’m Sooner born
& Sooner bred
& when I die….
I’ll be Sooner dead.
November 15th, 2007 at 3:33 pm
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Papa Lou BSU says:
Is there some backstory here I’m missing, because Sarah’s posts don’t seem to merit the nastiness it’s received…
No one had a problem in the last thread with a Buckeye fan calling everyone who lived outside of the Midwest “pinko-commies,” but you’ll all jump in Sarah’s grill? ‘Sup with that?
November 15th, 2007 at 3:36 pm
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Papa Lou BSU says:
Hey to my verb-tense agreement there! Thing of beauty!
November 15th, 2007 at 3:37 pm
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DC Trojan says:
Only 50% in favor of woman-on-woman action? As low as that?
As for pirate sex, there’s no point in being opposed: if they want to mount the old poop-deck or plunge into the foc’sle, who’s going to stop them?
November 15th, 2007 at 3:38 pm
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Chips O'Toole says:
Ironically, Al Groh kind of reminds me of the disciplinarian neighbor in American Beauty.
November 15th, 2007 at 3:39 pm
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Coop says:
DC,
O meant that the lesbian sex is good, but the other kind is not so good.
As for Sarah, go check out a game day thread. She literally gets her panties in a bunch because people fly Confederate battle flags on Gameday telecasts and other such nonsense, when we all know it is a non-issue.
The Indigo Girls message board is that way…
November 15th, 2007 at 3:41 pm
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GTSteve says:
@ 6
That’s one of at least half a dozen fight songs Georgia Tech has, all of which involve either drinking, pissing on U[sic]GA, or both.
November 15th, 2007 at 3:41 pm
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Sarah says:
Wow. My apologies to all … my sarcasm doesn’t translate as well here as it does on all those evil man-hating feminist sites I usually troll during class. Plus that bug up my ass is startin’ to itch …
And Orson, I’ll make doubly sure not to direct my vitriol to pirates anytime soon. Lord knows I don’t want to ensure their wrath.
November 15th, 2007 at 3:42 pm
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DC Trojan says:
people fly Confederate battle flags on Gameday telecasts and other such nonsense,
Not really such a good omen considering who lost that fracas. USA! USA! USA!
November 15th, 2007 at 3:45 pm
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Biggus Rickus says:
Sarah,
I for one find your progressive views refreshing in this reactionary little corner of the internet.
/sucking up to the only vagina in the house
November 15th, 2007 at 3:46 pm
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Nupe in Va says:
So if UVA isn’t gay then why were all the Maryland fans screaming it at the top of their lungs?
November 15th, 2007 at 3:46 pm
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Biggus Rickus says:
Nupe,
Mary-land calling someone gay seems a little pot-and-kettley.
November 15th, 2007 at 3:49 pm
25
Sarah says:
And Coop, I merely responded to Orson’s post pointing out that the GA fans were flying a Confederate flag … it’s low class and I stick by that argument. I never meant to offend your delicate sensibilities.
Seriously though, I just love college football, that’s all. And while I enjoy reading about it, my knowledge is lacking. So I usually only comment on things that I know more about … such as flags and shit.
November 15th, 2007 at 3:50 pm
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Nupe in Va says:
True dat, Biggus. True dat!
November 15th, 2007 at 3:50 pm
27
Ted Ginn did Everythin' says:
Sarah, how do you feel about Chevy Camaros?
November 15th, 2007 at 3:52 pm
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Never Saw Molly Hatchet says:
Sarah this . . . Sarah that . . . get your dick out of your heart!
November 15th, 2007 at 3:52 pm
29
Al Groh says:
I’m not sure what all the hub-bub is about. I only recruit openly gay players.
November 15th, 2007 at 3:54 pm
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Biggus Rickus says:
I don’t know what “get your dick out of your heart” means, but it has a nice ring.
November 15th, 2007 at 3:55 pm
31
Rival says:
As a life-long southerner and Georgia resident, I actually like what Sarah had to say.
People down here are way to scared of gay people. Makes them seem gay. (Zing!)
By the way, GT’s fight song is really gay. But that’s okay, because Tech is in Midtown. So it fits.
November 15th, 2007 at 3:58 pm
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Seven Years in Gainesville says:
I hate to defend anything Tennessee, but I think the idea behind the Rocky Top lyric is that once you experience la dolce vita of the Tennessee hills, drunk off that moonshine, you’re no longer a stranger and you’ll never leave. Not that if you come up on their land they shoot you and feed you to the pigs, a la Brick Top.
November 15th, 2007 at 3:58 pm
33
Doug says:
My parents are both UVA grads, and around my house, we always add ” . . . but not too gay” at the end of that line when we sing the Good Ol’ Song.
Then my mom does the Wahoo Dance, which is awesome.
November 15th, 2007 at 3:58 pm
34
ESMjr. says:
coop=mike gundy? “I’M A LAWYER!! I WENT TO LAW SCHOOL!!!”
threads like this are good; they keep me from forgetting that being an SEC football fan (and native Southerner) means being linked forever with red-faced blustering troglodytes who are terrified of women, black people or anyone who by their definition “ain’t got their heart in Dixie.”
eat shit, rednecks.
November 15th, 2007 at 4:01 pm
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slap-of-WAC says:
It’s one of the fundamental laws of the universe that the more emphatically a person denies being gay, the gayer they will seem. With that in mind, I think changing the song lyric is probably counterproductive.
If students are that self-conscious about the word “gay”, they should just hum the darn song.
November 15th, 2007 at 4:01 pm
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Mr Pelican Pants says:
My favorite song line for a school is:
F*&^k you Rocky Top, Go to hell Tennessee, you’ll never be home to meeeee….
Hey, zup with all this gay rights crap, Phil Jackson’s catching heat for his “Brokeback Mountain” comment
saying that the game had too much “penetration” and fouls in the “backcourt”,….at least Alabama hasn’t decided to make their mascot “Big Gay AL” ….yet…..
“I’m thuper, thanks for asthing”
Whats wrong in saying “I’m not gay, and I’m proud”?
All that says is I like boobs…..and motorboating..and I dont care if my shirt clashes with my eyes…I refuse to drink flirtini’s,I like a woman hairdresser and a female masseuse…and strippers who make bad choices
November 15th, 2007 at 4:02 pm
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Mr Pelican Pants says:
#32
+1
Nice Guy Ritchie reference…I always thought of Tennessee people as Pikers anyway, that just proves my point…..
November 15th, 2007 at 4:05 pm
38
GamecockTony says:
Know what else is gay?
All the men going to the game wearing the same outfit of startched white dress shirt, khakis and blue/orange striped tie.
November 15th, 2007 at 4:05 pm
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GamecockTony says:
Know what else is gay?
All the men going to the game wearing the same outfit of startched white dress shirt, khakis and blue/orange striped tie.
November 15th, 2007 at 4:05 pm
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Rival says:
Know what else is gay?
All the men going to the game wearing the same outfit of startched white dress shirt, khakis and blue/orange striped tie.
Comment by GamecockTony — November 15, 2007 @ 4:05 pm
So is wearing a hat with “Cocks” written on it.
Ya-buuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrnnnn!!
November 15th, 2007 at 4:07 pm
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Orson Swindle says:
Nothing’s gayer than Chief Osceola. Put him with Purdue Pete and Okie State’s mascot, and you got yourself half of the Village People.
November 15th, 2007 at 4:09 pm
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WDamnE says:
Now this is good.
From an opinion piece in the UVA student paper. http://www.cavalierdaily.com/CVArticle.asp?ID=31669&pid=1652
“I understand that the word “gay” in the “Good Ol’ Song” is meant to translate as happy, but why is it wrong to assert our religious and political views at the juncture, as we should be able to at any juncture?”
This kid (a UVA freshman) is so homophobic he has to stand up and yell he’s not gay when no one is calling him gay. He’ll be tapping his foot in an airport men’s room any day now.
November 15th, 2007 at 4:11 pm
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Mr Pelican Pants says:
#40
Know whats gayer than that…..USCe school slogan..
Be Cocky!
When does USCw play USCe?
Does that imply all kinds of gayness in the jokes that will ensue if and when that game happens?
As for gambling, I think the Trojans will cover the ‘Cocks….__________________(insert your joke here) …..its just too easy
November 15th, 2007 at 4:12 pm
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Never Saw Molly Hatchet says:
#30 Biggus Rickus,
“. . . get your dick out of your heart” is straight from this heart-warming story of Hall & Oates’ evolution from “Sara Smile” to being the Boom Motherfuckers of the smooth music scene of the 70’s.
http://www.channel101.com/shows/view.php?media_id=1337
November 15th, 2007 at 4:13 pm
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Rival says:
I guess it wouldn’t be a complete discussion about gayness without a Yacht Rock reference.
Rock on!! But in loafers.
November 15th, 2007 at 4:15 pm
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Boy Howdy says:
#2:
And yet, I think it inspires more homicidal thoughts than any other fight song.
November 15th, 2007 at 4:16 pm
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willet says:
33 that is soooo gay
not there is anything wrong with that
just saying
November 15th, 2007 at 4:16 pm
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Doug says:
This thread is starting to remind me of the “Know how I know you’re gay?” scene from “40-Year-Old Virgin.”
November 15th, 2007 at 4:18 pm
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Sarah says:
“Sara Smile” … almost as good as Jefferson Airplane’s “Sarah”. Classic songs, both.
Cocks hats will always be gay, especially when idiots buy them to wear ironically. Not amusing dude …
Oh and this is really only a comment so I can include my dorky little myspace: Coop, you seem to really dislike me, get in touch if you feel the need, hate f*cking has its merit too.
November 15th, 2007 at 4:20 pm
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Mr Pelican Pants says:
#41
And of course, add the Navys mascot….uh, a goat? WTF….scratch that…I thought it was a sailor, but a MF’n goat? That would be Tennessees version of the Village people..lol…a goat.on a boat..dont know where or why that is the way it is, I was in the navy and never got lonely enought to do a goat……..God how did people miss the Village people being gay???… My Grandma actually liked them til she found out they were gay, then refused to let us sing along……would actually change the channel on the eight track in the station wagon to get away from the Village People…
November 15th, 2007 at 4:23 pm