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GREG ROBINSON CAN COACH, JUST ASK GREG ROBINSON

Turn off the snark meter for an instant. Difficult, we know, but we swear there's a switch for this. Off? Excellent.

Now critically evaluate the following statement made by Greg Robinson, football coach for Syracuse. Give points for empirical support and evidence presented. Ready, scientists? Empiricize!

I'm good. Just ask me.

"I think my record can show that I'm a good football coach," the 7-26 Robinson said three days after falling to South Florida, 41-10. "Do I make every decision that's perfect? I can't tell you that. No. I believe that if we continue to recruit and continue to get good players, then we're going to be a good football team."

Greg Robinson is 7-26 thus far. His best record at Syracuse was 4-8 in 2006. The average margin of loss for the Orangemen has gone from 17.4 points in 05 to 23.5 points in each loss for 2007, and that's with games against Cincinnati and Connecticut to come. His classes have averaged around 53rd in Rivals' class rankings. He's 2-8 thus far.

By the numbers, this does not support a statement of being a good coach, making this an inaccurate statement at best. He did, according to the report, pound the lectern 24 times in a span of 45 seconds, an average of 1.88 seconds between thumps. This is ample evidence that for all his flaws as a self-evaluator of his own coaching record, he could make a passable drummer.

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If Robinson is a good coach, what does that make Steve Kragthorpe at Louisville?

I’m glad I asked. It makes him a candidate for the Coaching Hall of Fame.

by jon on Nov 14, 2007 4:26 PM EST reply actions  

You stat nerds and your “numbers”. Coaching is about passion. It’s about fire. That’s why I’m pounding this lectern. I’m passionate and firey. Do I win football games or even compete with teams who have similar or superior talent? I don’t know. I’ll leave that to you geeks. Now I’m going to go home and make love to my wife. Passion and fire people, she loves it. And so should you.

/Greg Robinson

by Biggus Rickus on Nov 14, 2007 4:31 PM EST reply actions  

I like Robinson. He’s turned Syracuse into such a shithole that there’s no way Edsall is taking the job.

I like Kragthorpe too. If Louisville didn’t call 33 screen passes against UConn, they might have won. I mean, geez, why would you have your NFL QB throw the ball past the line of scrimmage? That’s just crazy silly talk.

by Edsall is God on Nov 14, 2007 4:31 PM EST reply actions  

jon,

you bring up a good point. if robinson is a good coach, then what is ty willingham? a great coach? hell no, ty is a shitty coach who cant win (except at stanford at a down PX year, while getting rolled by texas and in the RB). on top of that ty gets $1.5 mil a year to coach uw to a shitty 3-7 record.

isnt america great? you can have no talent whatsoever, and get paid tons of money to do it. just ask william hung.

uw football is dead

by fife in the bay on Nov 14, 2007 4:31 PM EST reply actions  

…which is why I’m announcing my candidacy for all major available jobs. Head Coach only, BCS conference only. I last played organized football in sixth grade for the 2-7 St Pius X Lions, so I’m pretty sure I could get the job done like Robinson, Kragthorpe, or Charlie Weis. I expect a generous salary, full dental coverage, and a Buick. Or anything recommended by Ara Parseghian or the Orgeron.

by jon on Nov 14, 2007 4:36 PM EST reply actions  

if we can get Greg Robinson and Syracuse to play Charlie Weis and ND we’d have the Arrogance Bowl – winner gets to fire their coach and hire someone who knows what they’re doing!

by Buckeye Mark on Nov 14, 2007 4:45 PM EST reply actions  

So the question begs:
who wins if Syracuse and Notre Dame hook up in the “Let me tell you how great we were before facemasks and two platoon football Bowl”, brought to you in living color on NBC by the good folks at Studebaker Automobile Company.

by Red pants > Orange underwear on Nov 14, 2007 4:45 PM EST reply actions  

6 & 7 – Coach Fatass took his team to the Sugar & Fiesta Bowls in his first two years. Dubious? Maybe, but they did win a few games. Syracuse has flat-out sucked for three years. A little difference.

by Edsall is God on Nov 14, 2007 4:48 PM EST reply actions  

this guy should apply for the vacant information minister position in iraq.

by gerry dorsey on Nov 14, 2007 4:48 PM EST reply actions  

After what he did with the Chiefs’ defense, and after he basically was only allowed 50% control of Texas’ D, I remember thinking “Dumb Hire”.

I am grateful that Coach Robinson has corrected me on this thought.

by Gentleman Masher on Nov 14, 2007 4:54 PM EST reply actions  

I’ve already faxed my resume based on solid three years coaching youth football to Nebraska, Syracuse, ND, and UW.

Why? Because I have free time at work and no one has noticed yet.

Certainly not because I think I’m qualified, far from it. Just bored.

by The Bull-Gator on Nov 14, 2007 4:55 PM EST reply actions  

Notice, though, that when asked whether he thought the team would be better in 2007 than 2-8, he said “Hell yes.” Not yes but hell yes. That is the kind of enthusiasm that bespeaks eventual improvement. You think Callahan is dropping any hells these days in Lincoln? Or that milquetoast Franchione? 7-26 only looks bad until you spice it up with some mild profanity.

by Doug on Nov 14, 2007 4:58 PM EST reply actions  

Hey 8, what was the final score in those BCS games?

Weis was feasting on cupcakes (literally and figuratively) with leftover talent rather than recruiting and coaching. Now it’s biting him in his substantial and arrogant ass.

With the same schedule and the same sweetheart BCS deal, Syracuse could probably have made a BCS game and lost by the same scores as ND.

by Red pants > Orange underwear on Nov 14, 2007 5:03 PM EST reply actions  

What a year. So many shittay coaches, so little time. Its like they are going for an award in how far can they take a program down. There are probably more but here are 8 off the top of my head. But they supply us with comedy gold, Jerry, gold!

Weis
Callahan
Robinson
Kragthorpe
Mike Stoops
Willingham
Wannstadt
Dorrell

by Crabapple Buck on Nov 14, 2007 5:05 PM EST reply actions  

OMG, I forgot Franchione! He might be a poster boy for idiocy.

by Crabapple Buck on Nov 14, 2007 5:08 PM EST reply actions  

14

How you could leave Franchione off that list is beyond me.

by RIP Logan Young on Nov 14, 2007 5:12 PM EST reply actions  

14

Not to mention the Orgeron.

by RIP Logan Young on Nov 14, 2007 5:12 PM EST reply actions  

13 – Notre Dame was down 27-20 to Ohio State with three minutes to go and lost by 14. Wow, quite the ass-kicking.

And if it was just leftover talent…why couldn’t Willingham do a GD thing with them? Please keep your Weis-bashing to this year. He still found a way to win 9 games each year without a defense.

How come Jeff Tedford is still a genius despite Cal flaking out year after year? Why is Rich Rodriguez still a hot item despite his team’s never fulfilling potential?

Weis will have his opportunity to prove he’s a coach next year. And fyi, ND has played by far the hardest schedule in the country by playing 10 straight bowl teams. Maybe they should become an SEC team and load up against Troy, La. Tech and the Citadel.

by Edsall is God on Nov 14, 2007 5:14 PM EST reply actions  

As someone who has actually drawn a paycheck from a college for coaching I can say for a fact that it is a lot harder to coach than it is to be a dickhead at a computer keyboard making snarky comments.

Not every coach with a losing record sucks (and not every coach with a winning record is a genius either).

by oc phil on Nov 14, 2007 5:18 PM EST reply actions  

“I think my record can show that I’m a good football coach,”

Absolutely true. His record CAN show that he is a good football coach. However, it DOES not. A record is a very effective indicator of the quality of a coach and can show whether they are “good” or not.

Nice word play, coach.

by Unhappy Monkey on Nov 14, 2007 5:19 PM EST reply actions  

When you consider that Greg Robinson thinks he’s John Robinson, the early USC years, then yes, he’s a good coach.

by quojack on Nov 14, 2007 5:19 PM EST reply actions  

I have little doubt that Troy could beat UConn.

by PW on Nov 14, 2007 5:19 PM EST reply actions  

There are 32 bowl games. 64 teams, or over half of D1-A makes a bowl game. I fail to see the accomplishment in playing (and getting your ass beat by) 10 bowl teams. The only teams not going bowling this year are Syracuse, Baylor, Vandy, and the Orgeron.

by 90 minutes on Nov 14, 2007 5:22 PM EST reply actions  

Edsall: Willingham could do something with them: beat Navy.

The tOSU/Notre Dame bowl game never felt in doubt at the time. Notre Dame was dominated, the Buckeyes just didn’t run up the score.

And Weis does deserve some mockery because of the adulation from the domers in spite of his lack of quality wins since…forever.

Other than losing close to USC in 2005, what is his best win so far? And do you really want to hang your hat on whatever one you choose?

by oc phil on Nov 14, 2007 5:25 PM EST reply actions  

  1. - Says a guy who admittedly no longer draws a paycheck from college coaching. Interesting, eh?

by Gentleman Masher on Nov 14, 2007 5:35 PM EST reply actions  

edsall, you had me at “And if it was just leftover talent?why couldn?t Willingham do a GD thing with them?”

ty cant do shit with talent

but you lost me when oc phil dropped the navy comment. no matter how bad nd is, their talent will always be better than navy, let alone coaching. fucking navy, man.

by fife in the bay on Nov 14, 2007 5:41 PM EST reply actions  

Don’t worry, Domers. NBC is contractually obligated to carry the ND-Duke game, which may be a television first. The first nationally televised game between two 1-9 teams that isn’t Army vs. Navy.

I smell an Emmy.

by Techie on Nov 14, 2007 5:55 PM EST reply actions  

If ND wins, does Northwestern have to drop football?

by 90 minutes on Nov 14, 2007 5:59 PM EST reply actions  

Let’s celebrate Navy and leave the f bombs for those who deserve it…..

by Stacy Keibler Luvs Me on Nov 14, 2007 5:59 PM EST reply actions  

@29

like who? fucking notre dame?

by fife in the bay on Nov 14, 2007 6:02 PM EST reply actions  

#30: I am on a self imposed “lay-off-beaten-up-Notre-Dame” for a while. I think they have had enough abuse from all sides, including from their own fans by now.

by Stacy Keibler Luvs Me on Nov 14, 2007 6:10 PM EST reply actions  

  1. Part B Answer: Deserve f bombs? Saban, Les Miles….

by Stacy Keibler Luvs Me on Nov 14, 2007 6:12 PM EST reply actions  

You know what would be funny is if someone hired a really good CFL coach to coach NCAA. If you can learn to play CFL from NCAA/NFL, why not coach the opposite.

by Brian on Nov 14, 2007 6:37 PM EST reply actions  

or arena league.

by Brian on Nov 14, 2007 6:37 PM EST reply actions  

@31

when you have your boot on their throat you push harder.

that is a fact of life.

cue jim brown’s speech from “any given sunday”

by fife in the bay on Nov 14, 2007 6:41 PM EST reply actions  

Croom was 9-25 after 3 seasons.
So there is hope, although I don’t think Croom was sporting the hubris that Robinson and some of the others have.

I guess the trick for ADs is figuring out who can bring the program out of a tailspin and who can’t, which isn’t always the easiest thing to do.

by fotodog on Nov 14, 2007 7:21 PM EST reply actions  

  1. - Edsall – I liked you better when you wewre a UConn fan.

by Out of Conference on Nov 14, 2007 7:47 PM EST reply actions  

  1. - The correct Jeopardy response to your clue is, " Who is Charlie Weis."

by Out of Conference on Nov 14, 2007 7:50 PM EST reply actions  

Mr. Robinson, I know [NAME REDACTED] and you sir, are no [NAME REDACTED].

by Dobber on Nov 14, 2007 8:53 PM EST reply actions  

Do you remember the guy in Vanilla Sky, Tom Cruise’s shrink or whatever, who had to argue for his own existence, but couldn’t tell Tom the names of his own daughters?

by Josh on Nov 14, 2007 10:15 PM EST reply actions  

Wow this guy sounds exactly like our soon to be fired hc Callahan. The arrogance of guys like Robinson, Weis, and mostly Callahan is amazing. Callahan talks to Nebraskan’s as if we are ignorant dumb hicks that know nothing about football. I guess he does get the last laugh when he leaves town in two weeks with the $3 M paycheck.

by John on Nov 15, 2007 12:43 AM EST reply actions  

I’m shaking my head at the idea that someone is touting that Fiesta Bowl against OSU as evidence that Weis is a good coach. I knew that the loss to USC a couple of years ago was Weis’ best win, but now a thorough beating is being referenced as a positive. And did the same Notre Dame fan then really imply that playing in the SEC would be easier? Just when you start feeling sorry for these people….

by Because They Can on Nov 15, 2007 7:42 AM EST reply actions  

I think it’s worth pointing out that Greg Robinson was hired to replace Paul Pasqualoni as head coach. Paul Pasqualoni was basically fired ON AIR during the 2004 Champs Sports Bowl when Georgia Tech beat them 54-14 and REGGIE BALL was named Player of the Game. By going 12/19 for 200 yards and 2/1, and rushing for another 40 and a TD.

Good to see that they hired up.

by GTSteve on Nov 15, 2007 9:50 AM EST reply actions  

edsall – you’re a complete tool and an idiot. nd has sucked, uconn sucks, and uconn sucks. that is all.

by Ryan on Nov 15, 2007 10:05 AM EST reply actions  

Wasn’t that the game that PJ Daniels set the Bowl rushing record?

by Techie on Nov 15, 2007 10:26 AM EST reply actions  

#36

Croom is also coaching at Miss St., which is not noted for being a powerhouse with high expectations.

by Techie on Nov 15, 2007 10:28 AM EST reply actions  

45

That was the year before, on the Smurf Turf, when P.J. Daniels, Hallowed Be His Name, Breaker of Necks, averaged 9.9 yards per carry for over 300 yards rushing against Tulsa.

Coincidentally, this was the first bowl game for Tulsa’s shiny new head coach, Steve Kragthrope.

by GTSteve on Nov 15, 2007 11:25 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah, it’s hard to keep all those GT trips to Boise straight.
…sorry, obvious hanger.

by Because They Can on Nov 15, 2007 1:24 PM EST reply actions  

I was a fan of SU football since the ‘59 National Championship season – - and continued supporting the program through Pasqualoni’s best years. But – - NOW – - SU football is an embarassment – - and it is seemingly obvious that the new Chancellor, the new Athletic Director and, especially, the new Coach, do not have a sufficient commitment nor sufficient knowledge, expertise and experience to develop and manage a successful football program. Time to get rid of all three!

( Is it not ironic that a native northeasterner, a former SU quarterback, and an SU bachelor’s and master’s degree-holder – - who is also married to an SU alumna – - has turned a former non-entity, going-nowhere-doing-nothing, football program into the talk of the Big East?)

Robinson and the AD must go – - and the Chancellor should at least engage someone with expertise in developing a top-tier college football program as a working consultant.

by Tekay on Nov 16, 2007 2:00 PM EST reply actions  

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