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Notes and admissions of naked, inept error follow.

Rank Team Delta
1 LSU 1
2 Oregon 1
3 Oklahoma 2
4 Kansas --
5 West Virginia 2
6 Missouri --
7 Ohio State 6
8 Arizona State 1
9 Georgia 2
10 Virginia Tech 3
11 Texas 4
12 Southern Cal --
13 Clemson 5
14 Florida 5
15 Illinois 11
16 Virginia --
17 Boise State 4
18 Tennessee 8
19 Boston College 9
20 Cincinnati 6
21 Kentucky 5
22 Wisconsin 4
23 Connecticut 15
24 South Florida --
25 Brigham Young 1

Dropped Out: Michigan (#14), Auburn (#17), Florida State (#20), Alabama (#22), Penn State (#23), Arkansas (#25).

As usual, the readers are far smarter than we are. We claimed that Virginia Tech had won their game versus Chandoridicus Gailey the First while Clemson and Virginia had dropped their matchups. Untrue: Virginia won theirs 28-23, while Clemson did lose theirs. We blame the error on only ourselves and a futile attempt to intuit anything about college football from a win or loss to Georgia Tech. We bump down our irrational exuberance on Virginia substantially, while curbing our innate, undying SEC homerism by putting one-loss ASU over new-model villain-type UGA. Don't forget that Tennessee shut them out for one half, as pointed out by commenters below, since Georgia eventually scored 14 points in that game. Corrected. That team's still in there somewhere, Solja Boy or not.

Also: We bump Illinois. A stout run game, a good defense, and a well-managed, conservative play-action passing game will get you far in the Big Ten and elsewhere. Again, if they beat us in a bowl game, the site goes dark for a day with a picture of [NAME REDACTED] as the only content.

Arbitrary line call one: Oklahoma over Kansas. We're David Hume-skeptical to the end on Kansas until they beat Missouri. Kansas right now feels like the Jason White-era Sooners teams: astonishing numbers, flashy play, and a sick feeling that they'll cave in the last two games of the season under defensive pressure from a competent foe.

Arbitrary line call two: We're not ranking Penn State because they've got three losses and are sluggish, uninteresting, and not keeping pace with the back of the pack in terms of trend. That's why it's just one ballot--because we could totally be wrong here, and are more than happy to admit it. However, they get no vote from us. There's a moaning at the door here, hold on...JoePa! Why are you clutching at my scalp?...OHHHHH GOOOODDDDD NOOOOOOO!!!! (Num num num num num BRAAAAAINNNNS!!!)

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Tennessee didn’t shut Georgia out. Now Herschel’s coming after you once he dispenses with the OBC.

by Doug on Nov 14, 2007 10:25 AM EST reply actions  

Not that it matters, but Georgia actually scored 14 against Tennessee. Still, it was a humiliating performance. But, we did score, yea!

by Quinton on Nov 14, 2007 10:27 AM EST reply actions  

would said picture of [NAME REDACTED] be of the waterskiing variety?

by PW on Nov 14, 2007 10:31 AM EST reply actions  

Actually, that team is not in there anymore. Evil Richt produced cyborg replacements for every player on the roster with the exception of Moreno, who is quicker and more powerful than any mere machine.

by Biggus Rickus on Nov 14, 2007 10:37 AM EST reply actions  

va tech is a sham of a top ten team.

by gerry dorsey on Nov 14, 2007 10:41 AM EST reply actions  

Florida in the middle of a Clemson/Illinois sandwich is just wrong and unwholesome.

by Allahver Fist on Nov 14, 2007 10:42 AM EST reply actions  

Fortunately, you’ll be able to revert back to public displays of homerism after UGA finishes with ASU next September in Tempe. In the meantime, whatever, rank them south of UGA. All good. It’ll make the game next year just that much more fun…

by Bobby Decatur on Nov 14, 2007 10:42 AM EST reply actions  

Chan or not (he may be just better than mediocre, but your incessant bashing of him borders on the appearance of a jilted lover — he is a Florida alum btw), a GT team with a healthy Tashard Choice — who’s as good as any NCAA back you can offer up for comparison — can beat just about anyone on a given day. To wit, TC was healthy against Clemson and did not play against VT or UVa.

by George P. Burdell on Nov 14, 2007 10:55 AM EST reply actions  

You silly monkeys. So out of all the one loss teams, OSU is the only one besides Missouri to lose to a good team, and they get dropped below teams that lost to Colorado and South Florida? (I’ll pass on knocking those that lost to Cal and Kentucky as they have much better wins to their credit too).

Don’t be like the pollsters. Just because a team plays better teams later in the season, does not mean they are worse than the ones who lose early…

by Pants McPants on Nov 14, 2007 11:01 AM EST reply actions  

Hmmmmm. Not sure envy and Chan Gailey ought occupy the same sentence. Trust me – in Athens, Gainesville, Blacksburg, wherever, they laugh. At, not with.

by Bobby Decatur on Nov 14, 2007 11:01 AM EST reply actions  

Ah yes, that game against Clemson in which your only TD came off a blocked punt that gave you the ball inside the 10. No mention of the fact that you were actually stoned on 4 straight downs until you were given another chance. Make no mistake of it, GT did not “beat” Clemson that game. Clemson beat themselves by somehow managing to drop 9 passes, 3 of which would have been touchdowns. Bobby Dodd Stadium has some crazy voodoo over us the past couple seasons.

by Clemson327 on Nov 14, 2007 11:03 AM EST reply actions  

Georgia hasn’t been shut out since Ray Goff was coach.

I assure you that “that team” is most certainly not still there.

by LD on Nov 14, 2007 11:05 AM EST reply actions  

Will Duke get a vote if they beat ND this weekend?

by Brian on Nov 14, 2007 11:13 AM EST reply actions  

I’m not sure Herschel’s ownership of the Gators is necessarily greater than OBC’s ownership of UGA.

by PW on Nov 14, 2007 11:14 AM EST reply actions  

Tashard Choice sounds like a cheap third-world knockoff brand of instant coffee. No surprise, then, that he plays for the Sanka of college coaches.

by PeteJayhawk on Nov 14, 2007 11:15 AM EST reply actions  

Still hurting from the Souga Boy whopping and excessive celebration? You can still claim you own them over the last 15 years. That may make you feel better? I think maybe Georgia has grown up a little since the Tennessee debacle? I think LSU will be pulling for Tenn. to win out.

by Dawgy on Nov 14, 2007 11:16 AM EST reply actions  

Pants McPants – it isn’t only who they have lost to, it is who they have beaten. That OOC sched is ridiculous.

by jfwells on Nov 14, 2007 11:26 AM EST reply actions  

An allegory never to be applied to The Velvet Tent, that’s for damn sure.

by Bobby Decatur on Nov 14, 2007 11:28 AM EST reply actions  

LSU doesn’t care who wins the east. We’ll crush whoever it is

by Alex on Nov 14, 2007 11:29 AM EST reply actions  

#11:

If your receivers had caught passes when it counted, they would be better receivers and you would ipso facto be a better team than you are. They did not, and you are not. Whining about it is not going to get you anywhere.

by gosouthgohard on Nov 14, 2007 11:29 AM EST reply actions  

Orson…

Goodness, but that’s a lotta orange goin’ on in 13 through 18, and orange & blue in 13-17. Gotta be some kinda blog poll record.

While we’re still far from a Fla-Illinois bowl match let’s see some prodigious humble pie and props if the Illini take you down (a la Holly’s magic-marker-on-rack capitulation earlier in the season.)

For instance… an essay on the rapier acumen and myriad virtues of Coach Zook and the endemic character flaws of petulant, myopic Gator fans. And ample space in which we may rag Gator partisans and the SEC mercilessly.

That sort of win would border on him takin’ his’n, which are only partly his’n, and beatin’ your’n, which are still partly his’n, too. The Bear would be very confused.

I’d rather wait until next season for this game so it’s pure Urban v. Zook in a death match.

by Bob Zuppke Lives on Nov 14, 2007 11:30 AM EST reply actions  

I hear that in Spain Tashard Choice makes a nice whipped ice coffee.

by UgasTexan on Nov 14, 2007 11:30 AM EST reply actions  

Penn State is sluggish and uninteresting enough to have demolished Wisconsin 38-7

by Nick on Nov 14, 2007 11:37 AM EST reply actions  

I see you stop taking your lithium again…. and you don’t know what’s happened outside of the SEC.

by Mon-L on Nov 14, 2007 11:43 AM EST reply actions  

While weÂ’re still far from a Fla-Illinois bowl match letÂ’s see some prodigious humble pie and props if the Illini take you down (a la HollyÂ’s magic-marker-on-rack capitulation earlier in the season.)

For instanceÂ… an essay on the rapier acumen and myriad virtues of Coach Zook and the endemic character flaws of petulant, myopic Gator fans. And ample space in which we may rag Gator partisans and the SEC mercilessly.

Good idea. I would propose refraining from using “[COACH REDACTED]”, as a sign of reluctant but necessary respect. At least for a period of time, say the off-season.

by HFS on Nov 14, 2007 11:48 AM EST reply actions  

So what number does Cincinnati jump up to when they beat West Virginia this week? 15? 10?

And, other than the Florida v. Georgia rivalry, anyone wanting to fight with Herschel Walker, please give me a call before the fight – I’d love to watch!

by OhioDawg on Nov 14, 2007 11:48 AM EST reply actions  

Clemson has not lost to Tech, so much as Clemson has shot itself in the foot, since O’Leary beat us in 2000.

Honestly, I remain embarrassed to lose to Tech, as much because of the manner in which our losses come, but getting a rematch with the Hokies will be a nice consolation prize.

Truthfully, here’s hoping that UVa pulls out one more week of BS when the Hokies visit in two weeks.

As for LSU “not caring” who they play in Atlanta, that is beyond laughable.

No way LSU is indifferent to facing Georgia versus facing Tennessee.

I recognize you cannot legitimately use the transitive property, but Georgia has fared better versus their common opponents than LSU has.

Auburn – check
Alabama – push
Florida – check
South Carolina – LSU, BUT that was before Evil Richt arrived.

Georgia matches up very well with LSU, and has a defense that will show up on the road or at a neutral site, unlike Tennessee’s. If Tennessee is not playing in Knoxville, their defense becomes akin to a middle school’s.

And, of course, the Georgia/LSU game won’t be played at a neutral site. What happened the last time you faced Georgia in Atlanta?

Make no mistake about it, LSU wants the easiest road possible to New Orleans, which Tennessee will provide for them unless Woodson provides some magic.

by Coop on Nov 14, 2007 11:48 AM EST reply actions  

As weird as it seems, I will have to agree with #28, a UGA fan. LSU is the most average dominant team I have ever seen. They are somehow seen as dominant, when they do not dominate average to good teams.

The GA dome is a huge advantage for UGA, and I think if UGA is fortunate enough to see UT slip up (won’t happen), then they will beat LSU…….

UT however, will have their nuts served up for supper by LSU……

by Fletch F. Fletch on Nov 14, 2007 12:11 PM EST reply actions  

So…..
SEC teams beat each other = tough conference.
Big 10 teams beat each other = weak conference?

Just checking.

by Scalz1 on Nov 14, 2007 12:23 PM EST reply actions  

Oklahoma is garbage. Of the one-loss teams, they have the worst loss, to a middling Colorado team that just lost to Iowa State. The same ISU team that almost beat OU. The Big XII is benefiting from what the Big Ten had last year, a couple of good teams that beat up on the other 8 really bad teams. Texas is the biggest phony. At least KU and Missouri are taking care of business but all those teams are a notch below LSU & Oregon. I’d take Arizona State or West Virginia before a Big XII.

by Edsall is God on Nov 14, 2007 12:25 PM EST reply actions  

#7

Same old SEC bullsh*t:

1. SEC is superior
2. SEC plays PAC-10
3. SEC loses/begins excuses

Can’t wait til ASU repeats history and rolls GA next year (see, e.g., middle of PAC Cal over SEC’s beloved Vols).

I hope they don’t bring “Evil Richt” . . . I’ll be sooooo scared.

by SD SMP on Nov 14, 2007 12:32 PM EST reply actions  

#9

“…OSU is the only one besides Missouri to lose to a good team…”

Holy schnikees, where have I been? I thought OSU only had one loss and it was to Illinois. Who else beat them?

by gindole on Nov 14, 2007 12:39 PM EST reply actions  

  1. jfw
    Pants is right. Why is losing late to a good team worse than losing earlier to a mediocre or poor team. Is Oklahoma part of the SEC now? They lost to a <mediocre Colorado, and still get the voting love.

I guess that Tulane, Louisiana Tech and Middle Tennessee are all juggernauts. News to me. When tOSU scheduled Washington, they were winning Pac10 championships. I’ll give LSU credit for VT, but all of the SEC and Big 10 schedule mostly cupcakes in the OOC games. You’ll need a new mantra next year when we face USCw in LA. I believe they have had some (read: a bunch of) success vs. the SEC in the past.

by Crabapple Buck on Nov 14, 2007 12:44 PM EST reply actions  

#30
Yes, we have no love for Pennsconsin State.

Coop,
I see your point, but one thing you have to give credit to Tenn about is pass protection. Ainge has only been sacked twice. It would be interesting to see if Dorsey & Co. could get pressure on Ainge because if they don’t Tenn could move the ball on LSU.

by fotodog on Nov 14, 2007 12:44 PM EST reply actions  

#32, remind me again who you have defeated this year?

You have spent an entire season trailing at the half only to come back to defeat teams like Washington, Oregon State, and Cal.

Yes, Cal beat Tennessee this season. But, if you have watched Tennessee for more than one game you would know that they have been getting killed on the road all year, should have lost to South Carolina, and have no business stepping onto the field with LSU in Atlanta in a couple of weeks.

Georgia, who will be even better next season, will DESTROY ASU.

Go back to your ecstasy dealing operation and rave parties and leave the football to the big boys.

And, I hate the SEC.

by Coop on Nov 14, 2007 12:47 PM EST reply actions  

#36

Uh, everyone we’ve played besides the #2 team in the country, including Colorado who beat the OU juggernaut.

And didn’t realize we were counting halftime results as wins and losses — but since we are, I guess LSU squeaked out a big 10-9 W against Tulane, lost 17-7 to Fla, lost 17-7 to Aub, and lost 20-17 to ’Bama.

Excellent logic on GA beating ASU next year (I guess CAPS LOCK equals certainty), and I also compliment your use of tired/cliche ASU stereotypes to support your “points” . . . if you’ll excuse me, I’ve gotta go buy some glow-sticks, “big boy”

by SD SMP on Nov 14, 2007 1:04 PM EST reply actions  

Well now, this is getting unpleasant.

by Bobby Decatur on Nov 14, 2007 1:20 PM EST reply actions  

Think about who LSU was trailing to at the half, sans Tulane, and think about who you were trailing to.

ASU has played one solid team thus far, and they lost. You will lose to Southern Cal this weekend, and you will ride off to the Holiday Bowl where someone like Kansas, Mizzou, or Texas will dismiss you.

by Coop on Nov 14, 2007 1:21 PM EST reply actions  

#14:
Herschel was undefeated vs. Florida. Spurs got his ass handed to him as a player by Georgia (and, specifically, viciously and regularly, by Bill Stanfill). He also managed to drop one as a coach to Georgia during Georgia’s worst decade of football (and, conveniently, Florida’s best) since the 1950s.

by Tommy on Nov 14, 2007 1:23 PM EST reply actions  

SD SMP, what’s your “excellent logic” dictating ASU “rolling” UGA, besides your past example of a teams that isn’t Georgia getting beaten by a team Georgia didn’t play?

by Doug on Nov 14, 2007 1:25 PM EST reply actions  

I think the ASU enthusiasm is coming from the fact that next year the redshirt will be pulled off Rod Tidwell.

by Ltrain on Nov 14, 2007 1:38 PM EST reply actions  

I hate Tennessee.

by JR on Nov 14, 2007 1:39 PM EST reply actions  

  1. gosouthgohard,

No whining going on, simply explaining that we beat ourselves. Our receivers have not dropped passes like that in other games which is why it is such an anomaly. In fact, we have two receivers who are in the top 10 in the ACC in receptions/game, one of which also leads the ACC in yds/game. We are still in a great position to win the ACC and go to a BCS bowl provided we perform the next couple games, so obviously the GT loss didn’t hurt us that much.

by Clemson327 on Nov 14, 2007 1:44 PM EST reply actions  

Crabapple,
tOSU scheduled the Washington game in 1991? As for the rest of your argument- yawn, bring something original.
Look, there are some really good teams in the Pac 10; there is no denying that. However, ASU has a weak OOC schedule and USCw lost to a 3-7 team, so they aren’t going to get the respect that Oregon gets. As for Cal & UCLA, it would be harder to find teams outside of South Bend that are doing less with more.

by fotodog on Nov 14, 2007 1:46 PM EST reply actions  

Orson — so, now that you know Virginia didn’t lose to Georgia Tech in late September, it’s not worthy of moving up in the rankings after throttling Miami in the Orange Bowl?

Im konfuzed.

by hoodawg on Nov 14, 2007 2:24 PM EST reply actions  

I love how the GA fans always bring up Herschel Walker. Herschel Walker, Hershel Walker, Herschel Walker!

Now Herschel was probably one of, if not the best to ever play college football. However, I saw an interesting statistic the other day: Tim Tebow leads the SEC all time in rushing tuchdowns in a single season right now with 19. Herschel Walkers best year was in ’81 I believe and he had 16. And TT is a quarterback, AND we still have two games left: Florida Atlantic and a not-very-good-this-year Florida State, both at the Swamp. Any bets on what the final tally will be?

Incidentally, TT also has a shot at being the first 1,000 yard single season rusher in the history of Florida football (that’s right, not even Emmett acomplished that). That should help the Heisman chase, eh?

I can hardly wait for the coctail party next year when Tebow won’t be told not to scramble (he wasn’t hurt, TT doesn’t get hurt), our defense will be older and more experienced, and we will get the streak going back the way it should be going with another FL win! But I’m not bitter. Cheers!

by ClwFlGator@Coctail Party on Nov 14, 2007 2:51 PM EST reply actions  

#47:
Actually, the proprietor of this blog brought up Herschel, which is as it should be, since it’s widely documented that, decades after his last year of eligibility, Herschel retains the Freddy Krueger-like ability to haunt Gators both in their nightmares and in broad daylight. Amazing what a regimen of 1000s of pushups a day can do for you.

Back to the present: The nature of Urban’s offense practically dictates that Tebow will be injured (or asked not to scramble, spin it how you wish) by every late October, which helps explain Tebow’s relative containment the past two Cocktail Parties.

Regardless, we look forward to next year as well, as our defense will be just as older, wiser, etc., as Florida’s and Stafford and KnoMo will be ready to split another four bills between them. Cheers, indeed.

by Tommy on Nov 14, 2007 4:10 PM EST reply actions  

  1. - you will click on the link to my name, you will see the PDF version of the Florida media guide. There have been 9, yes NINE, years at the University of Florida where a RB gained over 1,000 yards.

But, more importantly, even if your asinine statement were true, how would that help Tebow in the “Heisman chase?”

Is Tebow competing versus past Florida players for the Heisman?

Wow, Gator fans should shun this one. Send him up the road to Toby Keith land.

by Coop on Nov 14, 2007 5:28 PM EST reply actions  

I just hope we get to the Capital One or the Outback so our sluggish and uninteresting football team can beat another ‘exciting’ SEC team.

by mattp8498 on Nov 14, 2007 7:29 PM EST reply actions  

matt, don’t jinx it. Florida’s the only SEC team that went into one of those Citus/Outback bowls and actually took care of business (well, Auburn did, once, but we did it to them once too. Tennesse, of course, remains our bitch).

by M1EK on Nov 14, 2007 9:00 PM EST reply actions  

  1. - I had been thinking about that 1,000 yards per season stat the last few days in the back of my mind, and how unreal that sounded. So I looked it up today and of course you are correct. Then I came here to post said correction, but I see you beat me to it.

I heard it a couple of days ago somewhere (Gator post game show on SUN, I think), but I think what I heard was that TT might be “URBAN MEYER’S first 1000 yard in a season rusher.”

Although looking at it now, with 718 rushing yards and 2 games left in the season, I am not sure how likely that even is. TT would have to rush for 140+ yards in both remaining games, and he has had only had (2) 100+ yd rushing games, one of which was that Ole Miss game that he won all by himself.

So, please pardon me while I insert my foot into my mouth. I should have doble checked that before posting. Well, for what it’s worth, even at the time I was posting it, it didn’t sound right to me.

And of course that stat by itself doesn’t help Tebow in the Heisman chase, I was referring to the total offensive numbers, not comparing TT to past Florida players. Sorry, next time I’ll start a new paragraph.

by ClwFlGator@Coctail Party on Nov 15, 2007 4:17 PM EST reply actions  

are you smarter than a 5th grader? why is Tebow up so high in Heiman polls when #1 He is a sophmore on a very talented team with 3 losses. #2. He is not Darren McFadden?? who shares carries with the 2nd best running back in the nation and also throws for TD as well as blocks for them??? I’m just saying. Arkansas losses 2 were in last minute, one to a ranked team and one to a “reeking” team in TN. Don’t get me started on 4th and short and should have kicked a FG with Dman on the sidelines!! I predict total anarchy and many audibles on field at the Rock this week. in fact, I would advise Dick to not even make the trip as those crowds there are the great ignorant simliar to LSU fans.

don’t even get me started on Dixon the front runner now whose stats are lesser of about 10 other players!!!

by Lendale Terry on Nov 15, 2007 7:04 PM EST reply actions  

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