CARR TO ANNOUNCE RETIREMENT
I’m out. Kiss my ass.For three sources to all say the same thing in information-stingy Ann Arbor is a strong indicator of actual reality here: Lloyd Carr will announce his retirement Monday following the Ohio State game.
Set Miles in motion, as he’s got to at least be on the priority list of coaches to face. Also page Tedford and knock the dust off the desks in the Michigan football offices, since none of them will be staying under a new regime. Cue a piqued Tressel, who has to be curious what rough beast/retread/tyro/NFL refugee will fall into possession of the Most Despised Opposing Headset.
And exit Carr, who leaves with a national title, a clean record on program probation, and a reputation as giving the least predictable halftime interviews ever: refusing to divulge even a hint of information about injury, hugging Suzy Shuster after a brief quote, or ripping Todd Harris after being asked “a stupid question” about Michigan’s conservative play at the half. Carr was a curmudgeon off his meds during a game, railing at kid-speckled lawns, clueless linebackers, and staring icily onto the field as the clock wore down on victories or losses–either way it worked, Carr stayed entertainingly crotchety to the end.
What else will we miss about Lloyd Carr? Not much, really. He never manifested much of himself outside the locker room, though there were flashes of a charming personality and giving man. He never changed much, which was great! Michigan stayed on an even keel during his tenure no matter what happened. He never changed much, which sucked! His offenses clung to the same plays, he stayed loyal to assistants when their schemes were going rancid on the field, and generally gave Michigan football at its worst a dirge-like flavor of ancient obstinacy mixed with joyless, plodding tactics.
We love writing career obits of the glowing sort, and would like to write one here: a coach with a 121-38 record and a national title deserves that. It’s hard to do with Carr, though, both because of his personal elusiveness and the pattern of disappointment and near-miss flirtation with national titles and wins against Ohio State that marked the last five years of his tenure. (Hey, they did win Big Ten titles in ‘03 and ‘04.) It’s counterintuitive–writing about someone so successful should be like breathing. Yet with Carr, there’s a difficulty in this, especially given how tired Michigan fans are of losing bowl games to teams who coach rings around their “rock-throwing” coaching staff. It’s time for him to go, and without a trace of sentiment, tears, or nostalgia.
Not that Lloyd gives a shit what we, you, or Daniel Dennett thinks of any of this. He’s done, and you can kiss his ass. He’s off to coach rugby in Australia with BFF Russell Crowe. Whoever takes over the Durmstrang Institute of Football Studies now–that’s the story from here on out. It’s never too early to start tracking planes, people. That’s what the FAA and flight manifests were invented for in the first place.









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Harleyman says:
Looks like my tigers can get ride of Les Miles!
November 12th, 2007 at 4:31 pm
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JCarver27 says:
Hate to see you llllleave Llllloyd
November 12th, 2007 at 4:39 pm
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Crimson Daddy says:
Hey, at least he was the muse for some good blogging.
November 12th, 2007 at 4:52 pm
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Anonymous IV says:
Carr will still be lurking at Michigan ready to scowl at players, fans, recruits, faculty, small children and pregnant women.
November 12th, 2007 at 4:54 pm
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maskedavenger says:
“and knock the dust off the desks in the Michigan football offices, since none of them will be staying under a new regime”
Don’t be so sure. Carr negotiated an extra year for all of his assistants already, and there has been statements that he will have a job in the Athletic Department afterwards.
I seem to remember NC basketball keeping the assistants when there was a HC change, and I would not be surprised to see no major changeover in staff. That would ease the recruiting difficulties that generally ensue when there is turnover.
But more importantly I disagree with this “It’s time for him to go, and without a trace of sentiment, tears, or nostalgia.” That may be accurate from Atlanta, but isn’t up in Michigan.
Carr took over a program that was teetering. Bo had retired 5 years ago and Moeller had just embarrassed himself in a drunken rampage in a restaraunt. Michigan could have gone the way of Alabama, ND, USC, etc. and had a complete fall from grace. But within 3 years, Carr led Michigan to a national title (or 1/2 to avoid arguments). He has won multiple conference championships, he does significant charity work for a children’s hospital, and while somewhat of a curmudgeon he has not embarrassed UM.
Regardless, I will miss him.
November 12th, 2007 at 4:58 pm
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gerry dorsey says:
things are about to get interesting around the country as these jobs open up. who’s going where and why???
November 12th, 2007 at 5:18 pm
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Zone Left says:
It’s time for a change in Wolverine Country.
Michigan hasn’t played good football for a long time–we can’t beat anyone that isn’t worse on paper than we are. Good teams don’t struggle with App State, Eastern Michigan, Minnesota or Northwestern. The humiliation from earlier this year was coming for a long time.
There’s a million reasons repeated ad nauseum, but the current staff is consistently taking top recruiting classes and getting not top results. Look at Michigan and tOSU’s players. Michigan just looks softer and slower. God, I’m ranting.
I’m certain that Lloyd is a great guy and the anecdotal evidence from the Schembechler compound bears that out. However, Orson’s right. Despite the outstanding results if viewed on paper, most fans feel like we realistically should have accomplished much more.
Michigan needs something new. Obviously, there probably isn’t a Bob Stoops level coach out there, but Schiano or even Tedford could probably do wonders with our facilities and talent base. Like all fans, I revere Bo and all he and his understudies has done since 1969 for what had become a mediocre program; but it’s time to move into this century, get faster, and start whacking I-AA teams.
All that said, I want him to go out a winner by beating the Bucks and winning a Rose Bowl–both of which would shoot holes in the rant I just made.
November 12th, 2007 at 5:23 pm
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citiesaregreat says:
It’s for the kittens.
November 12th, 2007 at 5:36 pm
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The Bull-Gator says:
Perhaps there won’t be wholesale changes on the coaching staff, but there should be a partial change over. It’s rather odd that the latest wrinkle in college football on offense (the spread option) is damning to this team and the offensive play calling at times can be reluctant to challenge. I’d at least swap out the QBs/WRs coach and maybe a defensive assistant coach or two.
November 12th, 2007 at 5:39 pm
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Papa Lou BSU says:
No truth to the rumor that Rich Brooks thinks sending an updated resume to Ann Arbor is bullshit.
November 12th, 2007 at 5:40 pm
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The Bull-Gator says:
Allow me to the first to put this out there:
The man Michigan needs to hire is from outside their historic program. He is an avaid recruiter, passionate about the game, and unafraid of risks. He will bring amazing talent back to Ann Arbor and build championship worthy teams. With his courage and bravado and the talent he will draw, he could usher in a new age at Michigan. His offenses will be intense and attacking and up-tempo and his defenses will play with a blood-thurst unlike any seen since Ann Arbor’s last championship.
That man . . . is Ron Zook.
Hear me out, I know you are laughing at first. “He’s coaching Illinois!” “He’s already a hero there!” “His Gators were flawed and poorly coached and only won when he left!”. All plausable reasons for him not going. But imagine a Ron Zook Michigan team. It’d be a trainwreck of awesomeness.
The Zooker vs. CheesyPants McSweaterVest.
That’s canned whoop-ass, right there, ladies & gentlemen.
(btw, this is all bull, I thought it’d be fun to post though)
November 12th, 2007 at 5:49 pm
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Mon-L says:
People who know Michigan football, know Lloyd is not the curmudgeon he’s made out to be. He just doesn’t like talking to stupid sideline reporters who always want injury info and stupid reporters who ask stupid questions. Lloyd was funny and genuine. He was old school and classy and he will be missed.
November 12th, 2007 at 5:53 pm
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Mr Pelican Pants says:
Steven Orr Spurrier to LSU…Mark it down…….
Man I love this SEC shit
November 12th, 2007 at 5:58 pm
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Biggus Rickus says:
Carr gets a bum rap if you ask me. He puts good to very good teams on the field most years and his bowl losses are never embarrassing. Texas beat them in an up and down game and USC didn’t annihilate them last year. He hasn’t done particularly well against Tressel, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Michigan suffers a bit of a slide under the next coach. People fail to appreciate consistently competent teams. And I’m not talking a competent 8-4 but rather regularly winning 10 games.
November 12th, 2007 at 6:02 pm
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john says:
Well the Michigan bookstore can count on the sale of 1 size small Hat next week. Yea, its capitalized. Fear it.
November 12th, 2007 at 6:03 pm
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Jorgé the Bass Player says:
I’d have a scotch with Lloyd Carr. It’s hard to admire a guy from up that way, but he’s had a good run up there.
For the sake of my team, I hope Chan Gailey starts looking for a house in the Ann Arbor area.
November 12th, 2007 at 6:05 pm
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notthequarterback says:
What Masked and Zone said.
Godspeed, Lloyd. The national title was great, the Big Ten titles awesome as well…but one of the biggest reasons I was proud to have Lloyd as my head coach was his refusal to campaign for a spot in the MNC game last year, even after Urban Meyer’s relentless politicking and Bernie Machen’s machinations. Old school till the end…you’ll be missed.
November 12th, 2007 at 6:05 pm
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okiedomer says:
here’s how i envision his retirment speech:
“ladies and gentlemen, there’s no more kittens in that bucket. thank you.”
…exit stage left
and if michigan was smart (which my ND degree mandates i point out that they’re not), they’d hire an offensive genius the likes of which the big slow, white televen has never seen….
mike leach
yarrr bitches
November 12th, 2007 at 6:05 pm
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Al says:
Michigan needs something new? Then, Michigan needs Bill Callahan. Enjoy.
November 12th, 2007 at 6:06 pm
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LloydCarrIsAChildMolester says:
*sniffle sniffle sniffle*
I guess those of us down here in Columbus may not know what to do with the shrines we’ve built for that fellow.
I guess he won’t get another chance to throw a foul mouthed temper tantrum directed at Lisa Salters, only to storm out of the interview room again.
We love ya LLLLLoyd!
November 12th, 2007 at 6:10 pm
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CliffX says:
I can’t wait for ESPN.com to not give credit to a blog for reporting rumors of Lloyd Carr leaving.
November 12th, 2007 at 6:12 pm
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Gnarls Woodson says:
It’s definitely time for Lloyd to go, but the class with which he represented the program, and the success he brought to it, even in light of the disappointment in his last few years, certainly warrants some sentiment, tears, and nostalgia.
November 12th, 2007 at 6:18 pm
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Anon says:
Orson,
As a Michigan alum and fan, and assuming this retirement rumor is true, I would like to see you (an independent, third party observer, who is actually knowledgable and intelligent when it comes to college football) rank the upcoming coaching vacancies in order of preference and/or prestiege.
I would think that Michigan is the most desirable vacancy out there, but I may be (probably am) biased, and there may be pit-falls that I don’t see (for example, 7-5 would be an improvement at Nebraska, whereas it would get you tarred and feathered in Ann Arbor).
Just some vacancies (or probable vacancies) that I can think of:
Michigan
Texas A&M
Nebraska
UCLA
Penn State (hypothetical – how do you kill the undead?)
FSU (see Penn State disclaimer)
Arkansas
LSU (if Miles goes to Michigan)
November 12th, 2007 at 6:21 pm
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bamafanintigerland says:
As a Michigan fan growing up, I always like Lloyd. So if this is true thanks for the good times.
Still do not think Les Miles goes there, I don’t even think Michigan is interested. But like most things dealing with college football, I will be wrong.
November 12th, 2007 at 6:23 pm
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Warthen says:
Word on the street is that they’ll be going after Weis.
November 12th, 2007 at 6:30 pm
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The Big Dog says:
#22 — Take FSU off that list. Bowden is in talks to extend his contract, and it looks like he’s going to get it.
November 12th, 2007 at 6:35 pm
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Genghis1971 says:
Hey, maybe now I can bet on Michigan games. There have always been a handful of coaches I would never touch picking a win or loss. No matter how I picked them they seemed to do the exact opposite. Betting on too many games they phone in after seeming to “finally get things together” the previous week (or vise versa). Neuheisel -GONE, Alvarez-GONE, Carr-GONE now if Tommy Bowden would fall off the face of the Earth, I would be a happy man.
November 12th, 2007 at 6:53 pm
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SA says:
That picture and caption is perfect.
I’ve enjoyed Carr’s tenure as the HC. Good luck to him in retirement.
November 12th, 2007 at 6:55 pm
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Sagacious Saurian says:
What I love best about Carr is how he made his disdain for lobbying the BCS selectors known, all while he himself was lobbying the BCS selectors. Mr. Media Unfriendly suddenly had time on his schedule to call ESPN News and say “Don’t forget Michigan.”
Ultimately the 2006 Michigan squad that was inferior to “consensus #1, OSU” by a field goal proved to be very forgettable.
November 12th, 2007 at 6:56 pm
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Warthen says:
I heard they were going after Weis.
His teams have a ‘decided schematic advantage in every game they play.’
November 12th, 2007 at 6:57 pm
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zippy says:
Gary Barnett: tanned, rested, ready
November 12th, 2007 at 6:57 pm
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Bench Casey says:
Durmstrang Institute of Football Studies
genius
November 12th, 2007 at 6:58 pm
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Non-Harleyman says:
“Looks like my tigers can get ride of Les Miles! posted by Harleyman”
Anyone who posts crap like that on a national board is not a Tiger fan. A 30-5 coach, ranked number 1, with no losses to any unranked team and 18-5 against ranked teams? What a fool.
November 12th, 2007 at 7:27 pm
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Vairish84 says:
Good luck to him.
As you said, it is ahrd to write nice things about him, but he has earned them. His teams never won as much as his supporters would like (does any team do that?), but they did win, they didn’t cheat and other than that whole graduation thing they did it with class.
I wonder if Les Miles will be to UM what Urban Meyer was to ND?
the one thing you can bank on is that Jim Harbaugh’s house won’t be for sale in Palo Alto.
Personally, I think they hire from within.
November 12th, 2007 at 7:54 pm
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JCCW Jerry says:
Assuming Carr does in fact retire, more credit should be given here to Brian, who singlehandedly kicked the entire Detroit/Ann Arbor media’s ass on this one in a fashion I’m not sure a bona fide blogger (as opposed to random anonymous message board types) has previously. I don’t expect him to get any kind of credit for it from them, of course.
November 12th, 2007 at 8:06 pm
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Irwin Fletcher says:
nottheqb–
Relentless politiking? You have a warped sense of reality. When asked, Urban stuck up for his team and felt that they [very rightly as it turns out on both UF's and UM's part] deserved a chance to play in the BCSCG. Because ESPN played his one statement ad nauseum does not mean he repeated himself ad nauseum.
To rehash ancient history, for the record: two one loss teams, one with a much more difficult overall schedule and a conference championship vs. a Big Ten also-ran that already lost to the other team in the BCSCG. Seems like a pretty obvious pick to me and it did to many, many others outside of Ann Arbor and Columbus.
Get over yourself and stay bitter, Ann Arbor. Enjoy your new coach, whomever it is.
November 12th, 2007 at 8:09 pm
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John says:
Here’s my list of candidate I would consider but I have no idea whether Michigan would consider them: (In order of first to last choice)
Bobby Petrino (he’d totally leave the Falcons for a Saban deal), Mark Mangino, Jim Grobe, Mike Leach, Tom O’Brien, Jim Harbaugh, Les Miles, Paul Johnson
November 12th, 2007 at 8:13 pm
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Pants McPants says:
Figures……Nothing is coming up Milhouse right now….
November 12th, 2007 at 8:21 pm
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bnb614 says:
As an Ohio State fan, I will be sad to see Lloyd go, and not because of Tressel’s success against him. He is a class of a coach, a good man, and he deserves better than all the Fire Lloyd Carr stuff he has put up with. I will miss Lloyd on the sideline during Michigan week.
That being sad I hope we send him out on a sad note. He can win his bowl game. That will be good enough.
I think Michigan should go a different route, similar to what OSU did with Tressel. Pick a successful coach from a smaller school that the football team can embrace.
Does anyone know how many batteries and what type of batteries it takes to beat Michigan?
November 12th, 2007 at 9:03 pm
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poguemahone says:
Allow me to evaluate those options as an OSU fan with the requisite false sense of importance.
Bobby Petrino – He’s one drafting of Brian Brohm away from having a winning football team. The Falcons have no quarterback right now, and that’s most of the reason they’re so bad.
Mark Mangino – Putting aside my personal dislike of the man for indirectly starving children in Africa, I just don’t see it happening given how long he’s been at Kansas and the fact that it seems to be his destination job
Jim Grobe- Look at Wake Forest now.
Mike Leach- Can you imagine Michigan moving to the Air Raid, abandoning the throwing of rock that they’ve done so consistently since 1969? I mean, a complete offensive overhaul worked so well at Nebraska.
Tom O’Brien – look at what’s he’s doing to NC State
Jim Harbaugh – not after he (along with diligent efforts of Marques Slocum) unveiled the true nature of the Michigan student-athlete
Les Miles – Michigan doesn’t want him. Still seems more likely than any of these others.
Paul Johnson – Again, offense is too gimmicky.
November 12th, 2007 at 9:03 pm
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poguemahone says:
bnb614:That would simply be 1 double A.
On a side note, I agree with you. I just couldn’t hate Michigan very much with Lloyd Carr on the sideline. He always seemed like a real character, a real man of class, and someone who represented his university with dignity and pride. Outside of Jim Tressel and a few others, they don’t make coaches like him very much anymore.
November 12th, 2007 at 9:06 pm
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Bay Area Bear says:
You can have Tedford……
….when you pry him from our cold, dead fingers.
November 12th, 2007 at 9:09 pm
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bnb614 says:
1 AA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
November 12th, 2007 at 9:10 pm
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Matt says:
The simple fact is that Lloyd is the most successful coach in Michigan history. My fellow alums can talk Bo all they want, but Bo never one a Championship, and rarely saw a Rose Bowl he didn’t lose.
As someone that got to have a few brief experiences with Lloyd, I can say that the curmudgeonly, sniping personality he dragged out on the sideline (and on the sideline reporters) was the farthest from what he actually is – a kind, almost grand-fatherly figure. Lloyd can’t quite bring it with the best in the X and O department anymore, but he’s a man to be respected – especially by anyone who can claim to be a Michigan fan.
November 12th, 2007 at 9:15 pm
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Zone Left says:
I hope Michigan makes a run at Schiano or Leavitt. Neither can consistently be great where they are, have tons of connections in strong recruiting areas, have solid teams, and can build from very little.
I have no inside info, so I can’t give odds–but I’m not crazy enough to think Spurrier is crossing the Mason-Dixon Line or that Miles is leaving the Gorilla for the Big Ten.
This also assumes we’re smart enough to look outside the program. There aren’t any stars sitting in Schembechler Hall right now.
November 12th, 2007 at 9:25 pm
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Zone Left says:
Oh, and Mangino is a walking how to on how to have a massive heart attack. No way anyone big takes a run at a guy you’d expect to lose any day.
November 12th, 2007 at 9:28 pm
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FishFan-GatorMan says:
#17, get over it. Lloyd Carr politicked for the Wolverines. He did it in a different way but he did it nonetheless. Let’s get rid of this horseshit system and we won’t have the politicking anymore. By the way Urban Meyer’s politicking spared the country from having a fraudulent OSU national championship. You thank him because OSU didn’t get a chance to beat you twice in a row.
November 12th, 2007 at 9:49 pm
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One Hand Clapping says:
If this post was meant as satire, it was lost on me; if it was meant as an editorial, it completely missed what Lloyd is all about.
With Lloyd, you got what you got; integrity, loyalty to a fault and a clean program. And despite all the recent media bashing, his teams are still well over .500 playing teams ranked in the top ten.
I do feel some compacency has set into the program over the last five years, and would even agree that a change is due, however not giving the man credit for his accomplishments is a bit myopic.
He was a company man and gave the University a quality product while keepining them out of the Detroit Free Press for the most part. He was loyal to a fault, which probably hurt the product, but he also won a national title as well as five B10 titles. And if he wins this weekend, he will walk away with a winning record against the team’s biggest rival.
The one thing you did nail on the head is that Carr couldn’t give a rat’s ass what you think or write about him; and you know what? College Football will miss him a lot more than he will miss it.
November 12th, 2007 at 9:55 pm
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Mr Pelican Pants says:
What would be weird in a Bo Schembechler kinda way, is for Lloyd to go into the hospital on the eve of the Michigan-OSU game……..
November 12th, 2007 at 10:11 pm
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marcillac says:
Bay Area Bear,
I hear you man. The one good thing about our rather underwhelming season is that perhaps Tetford has become at least a somewaht desirable commodity.
I doubt it though. With the inadiquate facilities (yes there is asceduled upgrade) and the less than overwhelming enthusiasm of the fan base I dunno how much longer we can keep him.
November 12th, 2007 at 10:14 pm