CARR TO ANNOUNCE RETIREMENT
I’m out. Kiss my ass.For three sources to all say the same thing in information-stingy Ann Arbor is a strong indicator of actual reality here: Lloyd Carr will announce his retirement Monday following the Ohio State game.
Set Miles in motion, as he’s got to at least be on the priority list of coaches to face. Also page Tedford and knock the dust off the desks in the Michigan football offices, since none of them will be staying under a new regime. Cue a piqued Tressel, who has to be curious what rough beast/retread/tyro/NFL refugee will fall into possession of the Most Despised Opposing Headset.
And exit Carr, who leaves with a national title, a clean record on program probation, and a reputation as giving the least predictable halftime interviews ever: refusing to divulge even a hint of information about injury, hugging Suzy Shuster after a brief quote, or ripping Todd Harris after being asked “a stupid question” about Michigan’s conservative play at the half. Carr was a curmudgeon off his meds during a game, railing at kid-speckled lawns, clueless linebackers, and staring icily onto the field as the clock wore down on victories or losses–either way it worked, Carr stayed entertainingly crotchety to the end.
What else will we miss about Lloyd Carr? Not much, really. He never manifested much of himself outside the locker room, though there were flashes of a charming personality and giving man. He never changed much, which was great! Michigan stayed on an even keel during his tenure no matter what happened. He never changed much, which sucked! His offenses clung to the same plays, he stayed loyal to assistants when their schemes were going rancid on the field, and generally gave Michigan football at its worst a dirge-like flavor of ancient obstinacy mixed with joyless, plodding tactics.
We love writing career obits of the glowing sort, and would like to write one here: a coach with a 121-38 record and a national title deserves that. It’s hard to do with Carr, though, both because of his personal elusiveness and the pattern of disappointment and near-miss flirtation with national titles and wins against Ohio State that marked the last five years of his tenure. (Hey, they did win Big Ten titles in ‘03 and ‘04.) It’s counterintuitive–writing about someone so successful should be like breathing. Yet with Carr, there’s a difficulty in this, especially given how tired Michigan fans are of losing bowl games to teams who coach rings around their “rock-throwing” coaching staff. It’s time for him to go, and without a trace of sentiment, tears, or nostalgia.
Not that Lloyd gives a shit what we, you, or Daniel Dennett thinks of any of this. He’s done, and you can kiss his ass. He’s off to coach rugby in Australia with BFF Russell Crowe. Whoever takes over the Durmstrang Institute of Football Studies now–that’s the story from here on out. It’s never too early to start tracking planes, people. That’s what the FAA and flight manifests were invented for in the first place.









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maskedavenger says:
“The simple fact is that Lloyd is the most successful coach in Michigan history.”
Uh Fielding H. Yost.
November 12th, 2007 at 10:18 pm
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marcillac says:
I hear you Bay Area Bear. The one good thing about our rather underwhelming season is that perhaps Tetford has become a somewhat less desirable commodity.
I doubt it though and with the facilities, difficulties in getting said facilities upgraded and the somewhat underwhelming enthusiasm of the fan base I’m afraid its only a matter of time.
November 12th, 2007 at 10:19 pm
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John says:
47,
As long as the formula is 2/3 human polls, you will have politicking even with a 16-team playoff as the coach of 17th ranked team will try to convince people why they should be 16th. The only way to take politics out would be to have a formula of purely computer rankings, which no sane person would want.
November 12th, 2007 at 10:35 pm
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This Is Your Captain Speaking says:
Y’know, it’s funny. Two weeks ago, Tommy Tuberville was the hottest thing since the innovation of the forward pass and was set to replace Les Miles once Miles assumed the position in Ann Arbor. Amazing what laying a big fat stinking goose egg turd will do for your stock.
November 12th, 2007 at 10:37 pm
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ATLBlue says:
To say that Lloyd should retire without any sentiment or nostalgia shows a complete lack of understanding of what is important in college football. While all of us Michigan Alums have suffered more than our share of disappointing losses in recent years there has always been a sense of pride in knowing that Lloyd was running a first class program that helped our players grow as players and people. That may not mean much down here in SEC country but to a Michigan Man, it means plenty. If you have any questions just read the comments from our seniors about Lloyd Carr in the last presser. I wish Lloyd nothing but the best in his retirement and he’ll be missed in Ann Arbor.
November 12th, 2007 at 10:42 pm
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marcillac says:
Damn that server Orson
November 12th, 2007 at 10:50 pm
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Yinka Double Dare says:
If I had one word to describe Lloyd Carr’s tenure, it would be:
“Tremendous”
If I had a second word, it would be “tremendous”.
Tremendous.
More seriously, I’m curious to see where this goes, because at least with Lloyd the team was almost always very good, and you knew he wasn’t going to embarrass the school by doing something stupid. I’d rather Lloyd get rid of the S&C coach and DeBord and keep Lloyd around, but at some point we figured this had to happen. He’s not a football lifer, and he was kinda thrown into the situation back when Moeller f’d things up. He’s done a good job and he’ll be missed as coach, though I doubt he’s leaving the Michigan athletics family, he’ll have an assistant AD job if he wants it I’m sure.
November 12th, 2007 at 11:09 pm
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notthequarterback says:
36 and 47 -
As soon as Michigan lost to Ohio State, Urban Meyer started bellyaching about how a rematch between U-M and tOSU would be such a disaster, yada yada…I realize he was speaking out on the playoff format itself, but it comes across as politicking, no matter how you slice it. Carr only mentioned Florida and the BCS after the decision was made..he didn’t start bitching and demanding a rematch after we lost to Ohio State.
bnb – Congratulations, you’ve finally learned that Appalachian State is NOT a division II school! I’m telling you, learning CAN be fun…especially when you’re recycling 3-month old jokes. BTW, Juice Williams just ran for another first down.
November 12th, 2007 at 11:29 pm
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Jim Harbaugh Scramble says:
@Bay Area Bear
Please keep Tedford, I don’t want him in Ann Arbor.
Best of luck to Lloyd, I hope that Bill Martin hires the man for the job, and as far as I’m concerned that man ain’t Jeff Tedford.
November 12th, 2007 at 11:42 pm
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poguemahone says:
BTW, ntqb, Oregon just scored another touchdown. Chad Mallet/ Ryan Henne just threw another pick to a wide open defensive back w/ no blue jersey within 10 yards of him again. Johnny Sears just took another atrocious angle. Donovan Warren still looks like a bust. Morgan Trent just gave up another touchdown. Obi Ezeh still doesn’t know who has the ball, and neither does Chris Graham for that matter. Jake Long is still wondering what life would be like in Arizona right now. Mario Manningham just had another period. Mike Hart just limped off the field again.
We could do this for hours.
November 12th, 2007 at 11:45 pm
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Mr Pelican Pants says:
Never mind all that, I found a video of Tim Tebow working out at age 7!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dwco3TFoQVQ
November 13th, 2007 at 12:38 am
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WinningestProgramOfAllTime says:
Anyone want to throw in Brian Kelly’s name? Won the D1AA twice at Grand Valley State, won the MAC at CMU, ahead in the Big East at Cinci…
Is it possible to be too much like The Vest to get hired by The Best?
November 13th, 2007 at 12:56 am
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Digital Headbutt says:
Great…NOW who will keep Marques Slocum’s animal kingdom from wreaking havoc on society?
Les Miles may deal with a live tiger on a weekly basis, but trust me…Mike VI is no fuck lion.
November 13th, 2007 at 12:57 am
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mikeyanagita says:
As much as I’d like to be excited about what could happen, I’m afraid that the Michigan people are too smart to even go after Les Miles. They can do much better.
November 13th, 2007 at 12:59 am
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Digital Headbutt says:
I nominate Russell Crowe to replace Carr. He already is familiar with the players, and with his love for rugby he’ll send the Michigan offense back to 1948…which was when the Wolverines were dominating th national scene anyway.
As for Lloyd’s next career move…I shudder to think of him as part of a Holtz-Carr Pep Talk tag team.
November 13th, 2007 at 1:02 am
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Ry says:
# 39
Whatever gives you enough “juice”.
/crickets/
I’ll show myself out now.
November 13th, 2007 at 1:12 am
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Jeff from LA says:
As a USC fan, I am sure going to miss Carr. He was grumpy but gracious, and you never had to fear that you would see some new trick or scheme if you played him. He believed in beating you the good fashioned way, and either he had the talent mismatch that would allow him to do it, or he would take a beating like a man. He never whined. That’s something you don’t see much of any more.
November 13th, 2007 at 1:42 am
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fotodog says:
Update:
Apparently Carr is headed to South Bend to be Weis’ press secretary / spokesman.
November 13th, 2007 at 3:25 am
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notthequarterback says:
58 -
About half of those made sense, but well done nonetheless.
All I know is, we went into Champaign without one Michael Hart and beat a team that just beat you in your backyard. That has to sting. Our season was over before Labor Day, so we’ve been pretty much numb since then..It’s not so bad when you get used to it.
And 63 just won this thread.
November 13th, 2007 at 5:54 am
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Brian says:
YHIHF – Major Applewhite to Michigan.
Thanks Ill be here all week.
November 13th, 2007 at 9:03 am
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Out of Conference says:
Tyrone NIx is available at fire sale prices.
November 13th, 2007 at 9:08 am
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Rob says:
Dear Michigan,
Please take Bill Callahan.
Signed,
Nebraska
November 13th, 2007 at 9:10 am
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Scalz1 says:
Say what you want about Lloyd, but he was genuine, classy, and straightforward. I hope he stays on at UM in some capacity.
I’d much rather go 7-5 than be on probation or do some of the other things that coaches that win by whatever means necessary
November 13th, 2007 at 9:18 am
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The Tod says:
I hope Lloyd takes a job like Bo had as kind of the ombudsman of tradition in the football department. I don’t ever want U-M to be like Michigan State, or Oregon- changing uniforms every 3 games. There is something nice about being consistent.
Lloyd is a classy man, and he brought honor to my school, and I will miss him.
November 13th, 2007 at 9:38 am
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Bobby Decatur says:
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
November 13th, 2007 at 9:49 am
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Orson Swindle says:
He may be all of those things. However, we don’t know how much Michigan will actually miss him.
This depends in large part to the eptitude/ineptitude of his successor, of course.
November 13th, 2007 at 10:01 am
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Jeremy says:
The sentiment among Michigan fans is pretty consistent: We both love Lloyd as a Michigan Man and an ambassador of the program and will consider ourselves lucky if we get a new coach with those qualities half as great as Lloyd Carr’s. Seriously. He’s that highly regarded. We also want him to go. We realize that the game has passed him by, it is certainly time to step down, and his accomplishments on and off the field have earned him the right to coach until he wants to retire. It’s humble of him to realize that the time is now.
November 13th, 2007 at 10:58 am
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bnb614 says:
58 -
All I know is, we went into Champaign without one Michael Hart and beat a team that just beat you in your backyard. That has to sting.
You gotta love shit talking from a fan of a team that was ranked #5 in the pre-season, expected to compete for a national title, and got beat by Appy State (and paid them $60,000 to do it) and then got shelled by Oregon to start the season 0-2. Talk about a sting.
I guess irrational shit talking is all you have when you are used to mediocrity.
Good luck in your December bowl game this year.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:16 am
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BaggyPantsDevil says:
In February 1997, I began a one year tour in the Republic of Korea. I was not happy about it since just six months prior I had been assured I needn’t worry about an assignment to Korea since I was stationed at Fort Bragg. Sometimes, the US government and the Army lie. This meant a year away from my wife with little to do besides work long hours, lift weights, and drink entirely too much alcohol all while enduring Korea’s significant smog problem, insanely congested traffic and at times bizarre culture.
One of the few bright spots during this exile was Saturday. I took a train down to Seoul to hang out with friends. We played football on the on the baseball fields then drank heavily until the Armed Forces Network began broadcasting college football games. The games were usually live and at that point it was actually very early Sunday morning. The football continued until it was time for breakfast.
What I got to see that season was the team I root for go undefeated. I got to see them play defense that bordered on cruelty. I got to see my team field an athlete so good he won an award normally reserved for quarterbacks, tailbacks, and wideouts despite being a cornerback (yeah, the punt returns and receptions did help with that). For once, the team I rooted for didn’t blow it and ended up with a share of that Mythical National Championship, something Michigan hadn’t done in a half century. It certainly wasn’t the best year of my life and there were many moments of lonely—generally drunken—frustration, but watching Michigan win and win and win was what can only be described as a morale booster.
For that, Lloyd Carr has my eternal gratitude. He may not be a perfect coach—no one is—and certainly isn’t a shiny new thing in a world enamored by shiny new things, but I will miss him and wish him nothing but the best whenever he does choose to retire.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:18 am
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bnb614 says:
Good point Orson. Here’s hoping Michigan doesn’t hire somebody similar to Charlie Weis with huge name recognition and starts talking about how they “are back,” before they prove anything.
As an OSU fan, as fun as that would be to enjoy, any discussion about overhyped, trainwreck programs in the media should be entirely focused on the Irish.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:29 am
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notthequarterback says:
You gotta love shit talking from a fan of a team that was ranked #5 in the pre-season, expected to compete for a national title, and got beat by Appy State (and paid them $60,000 to do it) and then got shelled by Oregon to start the season 0-2. Talk about a sting.
I guess irrational shit talking is all you have when you are used to mediocrity.
Good luck in your December bowl game this year.
Oregon is good. They would wipe the floor with Ohio State if the two ever played. Good thing Illinois (Oregon lite?) already eliminated the embarrassment from taking place.
And I’m not sure what this “mediocrity” is of which you speak. Yes, you guys have gotten the best of us lately, but we have a winning record vs Ohio State all-time, the longest active streak of consecutive bowl appearances, and Lloyd has the 7th-highest active winning percentage in Division I-A. That’s hardly mediocre.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:35 am
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Harleyman says:
#33 obviously you are not a true Tiger fan or you would know that Miles played and coached under Bo Schembechler at Michigan and has a clause in his contract that would require him to pay LSU $1.25 million if he leaves for Ann Arbor before his contract expires in 2011. If he goes to any other school, there is no buyout penalty.
Why would that even exist if the question had not been raised? Of course Miles wants to eventually go back to UM. And I say let him. do you really think he has coached us to no. 1? come on, we are winning on our talent in spite of our coach.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:38 am
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Scalz1 says:
I love how the OSU fans are dropping the “we own you” card. Funny how their memory only spans 5 years.
November 13th, 2007 at 12:02 pm
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bnb614 says:
And I’m not sure what this “mediocrity” is of which you speak. Yes, you guys have gotten the best of us lately, but we have a winning record vs Ohio State all-time, the longest active streak of consecutive bowl appearances, and Lloyd has the 7th-highest active winning percentage in Division I-A. That’s hardly mediocre.
Seriously no one cares about your victories in 1894 that gives you 17 more wins. In the last 40 years? OSU is 18-20-2 vs Michigan.
And even more seriously, no on cares about your consecutive bowl appearances in the Poinsettia Bowl. 6 wins is all that is required to make a bowl game. Michigan has been to 11 straight bowl games including 3 Citrus Bowls, an Outback Bowl, and a Alamo Bowl. Impressive!
And LLLLLoyd’s 7th highest active winning %? Since 1995, Lloyd has gone 113-36 at Michigan. In that same time period. OSU has gone 119-32, and Florida has gone 118-34.
So throw around the stats and enjoy continued mediocrity. Next year when OSU is playing USC out of conference, you’ll be playing Utah. Nice work keeping that winning % up.
November 13th, 2007 at 2:27 pm
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D-nice says:
Carr did deserve much of the criticism for Michigan’s poor performances and his unwillingness to “modernize” in certain areas and be more creative.
But, he was a good guy that ran his program with integrity and he should be recongized for that.
This is a HUGE job opening. Should be an interesting search. Of course, it may not be that interesting the focus is primarily on Les Miles and he accepts.
November 13th, 2007 at 3:29 pm
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Alagator says:
“…I was proud to have Lloyd as my head coach was his refusal to campaign for a spot in the MNC game last year, even after Urban Meyer’s relentless politicking and Bernie Machen’s machinations. Old school till the end…you’ll be missed.”
Yes…Yes…at least there will always be THAT! …and oh 41-14 too!
November 13th, 2007 at 5:07 pm
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everyotherconference says:
Big Ten blows.
November 13th, 2007 at 6:06 pm
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scott says:
Lloyd will be missed. For those of you who only know Carr from clips of him on the sidelines chewing up refs and spitting them out, it is understandable that you do not understand our feelings for the guy. He is smart, loyal, protective of his players; an overall class act. Our sport needs men like Lloyd Carr.
November 14th, 2007 at 8:48 am
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Nor Notnerb says:
Loyal to LLoyd
A class old school act. A true Bo pupil. Will be missed., if he doesn’t stick around as a mentor as Bo did
November 15th, 2007 at 9:54 am