GUEST COLUMNIST: THE KID ON NOTRE DAME

Your tears are delicious.

Now you know how we have felt for years about Notre Dame. They’re exclusive, they are independent, they have their own TV contract….

Mr. “FireMarkMay”: I won’t pile on. Have a good weekend.

That’s some good writing.

With apologies to Techie for my lack of originality,

“Oh, [The Kid], your tears are so sweet and yummy!”
-Eric Cartman

i don’t know what to say…that pretty well covers it.

Wonderful prose.

+10 cocktails for you, sir. I’ll be more considerate in my comments about ND from this point on.

Don’t worry, it will feel like basketball season next week when Duke beats you.

I feel you friend. I was a freshman in 1993 when we were a field goal away from the NC. Since then things have gotten bad. After last week’s game I expected to be livid. I was just sad.

As for the arrogance, I never really felt it very strongly until this year. I was always defensive of the media being ready to pile on for the smallest chink in the armor. Right now, we aren’t wearing any armor and we deserve all the slings and arrows pointed our way and anyone who says otherwise should be fed to the wolves.

Focus on basketball is good, Mike Brey is the best basketball coach the school has had since Digger. The team is one that has actually had to claw its way to status and has actually made a good run of staying competitive even in the midst of one of the best basketball conferences in the country. When I was a student at ND we were in the midst of the John MacLeod days. We rarely finished above .500. That sport at Notre Dame has seen times when they flat out didn’t matter and nobody attended the games (I used to sit in the front row even though I had bleacher tickets, because no one was there and the ushers didn’t often care.)

Hopefully on Monday LIU doesn’t play Gardner-Webb to our Kentucky.

Had to get an App State reference in there, didn’t you? I’m still pissed about that UCLA game. Just think, you’ve got 7 more years, guaranteed.

I revel in your agony, and sup on your sorrow.

Well put, Kid. Well put. Sad times. At least we can take solace that our misfortune brings happiness to thousands of dopes with nothing better to do but dance on our grave. Seriously, folks, cheer for your own damn team.

I feel sorry for nd……. As a Bama fan I can sympathize with your pain……. Traditional Powerhouse on the brink of the abyss…….

on second thought……… GO AHEAD AND JUMP!!!

fuck nd

after all you were Coach Bryant’s kryptonite

along with texas

but saying “fuck texas” just doesn’t sound as sweet as
“FUCK nd”

Not to mention the vaunted “traffic cone” defense.

BamaHamr – right back at cha.

As for the Kid – well, while I understand the feeling, I also feel I must impart the advice of Don Corleone to Johnny Fontane after exercising his pimp hand – “You can be a man!”

The rumors of ND’s death have been greatly exaggerated over the years. Keep the faith.

#11, while I will certainly cheer my team, I wouldn’t consider what those of us who are “not ND lovers” as dancing on the ND grave…rather more like pissing on the ND drunk homeless dude, who will somehow resurrect his hopes and dreams and own a fortune 500 company and seek retribution against all who voided their bladders. Long shot, I know, but while there is still the tv contract I’m still gonna drink my beer in excess in order to keep pissin’.

ProfKid93@ 14 – I’m disappointed. After your Osama bin Laden comment yesterday, I felt sure you would call The KId a self-hating Domer.

Why? I get his pain – hell I share it. The OBL comparison was simply pointing out the similarities among irrational, emotional hatreds.

Notre Dame IS a special place. Where else can a player get lavished with embezzled bling cash and trim from the same booster? You certainly do things the “right” way up at ol’ ND.

Watching Notre Dame version 11.2 under Charlie Weiss is like watching a short, fat kid with a tiny dick try to fuck a dog.

And that post-game circle jerk that passes for “tradition” is…..well……gay.

that’s the most embarassing article i’ve ever read about ND. take your licks like the rest of us. please tell me you’re not seriously abandoning hope on an entire school bc of a bad football season. i haven’t missed a game in over 13 years now and this year doesn’t change that. how can you sell next season too. you’re more pathetic than the team’s performance this year.

Payback’s a bitch. All we had to hear for two MF’ing years was how Charlie Weis is an offensive genius when in all actuality he was ultra-aggressive with a future NFL draft pick at just about every offensive position.

We have to hear reports of Charlie saying that Notre Dame is done losing to the Pittsburg’s and Purdue’s of the world.

We have confirmed quotes that Charlie Weis would have a decided schemetic advantage over everyone else.

We had to hear how great Charlie was as a person because his arrogant ass went into the USC lockerroom to congratulate them after the “Bush Push” game.

We have Notre Dame fans who looked down on every other program for off the field issues but ignore the fact that they had three off the field issues themselves this year.

We had to hear about how Charlie was the success behind the four super bowl rings(New England really misses him this year).

We get to hear how Notre Dame has it tougher because of admission standards and how every person grows up dreaming of attending ND like Rudy.

We have to hear how everything was Ty’s fault and that every loss was because Ty couldn’t recruit whereas every win was because Charlie was a great coach.

We got to hear Charlie Weis be a jagoff to the media and play the role of “attention whore” for the whole offseason by not announcing the starting QB so the morons at ESPN would talk about it every day.

We have to hear about how Charlie is all class even though he is suing his doctors even though he knew that cutting you stomach up in order to lose weight was incredibly dangerous before starting.

I have NEVER hated Notre Dame as much as I have the past 3 years and it is because of the arrogant asshole that is Charlie Weis and how he was put on a pedestal.

You want to see a real coach. Take a look at Columbus, OH and see Jim Tressel. He does things the right way, doesn’t make it all about himself, and treats opponents with respect. I’m not an Ohio State fan but I can respect what he has done there.

I have no respect for Charlie Weis and I am loving this season. It won’t be getting that much better and I will love that too.

I guess Jimmy Clausen will have to settle for only winning three Heismans.

ProfKid93, the OBL comparison was the closest I’ve ever come to invoking Godwin’s Law on a college football blog. I guess you weren’t grooving on the “if Notre Dame is Israel, then The Kid is a self-hating Jew” analogy in response. So much for the IR humor.

BTW, It’s not hating to question whether the apparent lack of coaching on basics for ND is going to get turned around for the 2008 season. You could ask the same thing about USC’s quarterbacks, wide receivers, and running backs – just not to the same degree.

The same “arrogant asshole” who personally drove Robert Hughes one and a half hours to Chicago for his brother’s funeral and jumped through NCAA hoops to arrange for the rest of the team to attend?

Yeah, Weis has an ego. So’s every guy who makes it to a head coaching job – he’s just not as good at hiding it. He falls somwehere between Saban and Spurrier on that spectrum.

But hey – keep on hating. It clearly triggers the pleasure center of the reptilian portion of your brain.

mcsweatervest as the model for a premier coach. you’ve got to be kidding me. any coach associated with claurett is immediately stricken from the list of decent human beings.

ProfKid93,
I never said he didn’t do nice things from time to time. The story of that girl who was dying calling the first play of the game was a good story too.

He’s only an “arrogant asshole” the other 99% of his life. Does that make you feel better?

DC Trojan – didn’t catch that. Not bad, actually.

And no, questioning whether Weis will improve is not “hating.” JohnInHsv provides a better example. It wouldn’t matter how many times one explained to Dunbar situation to him – all argument would bounce off his noggin like a superball on blacktop.

Proof Speaker – hey, I could give a shit. You’re the one going around passing judgment on your fellow man based on press conferences.

All I can add to that is ……Notre Dame, you had it comin’. Now you have a coach that is too smart for his own good. You have become the Leper, and piece by piece you are falling apart,and slowly the fair weather supporters are trying to distance themselves …..First it was the fingers, then the toes and eventually you’ll still be talkin that noise even with no legs, just like the knight in Monty Python who has no arms and legs, merely has a flesh wound….til next year, just chalk this one up as a rebuilding year and enjoy basketball. I never thought ND would turn into Kentucky and Kentucky would be Notre Dame in football.

I understand how most fans feel when their team is crashing and burning but honestly this is the first time i haven’t felt completely delighted about how ND’s season is going this year. It just irks me terribly that, in the middle of a season where a true college football fan couldn’t have asked for more action and consistent, unpredictable insanity, the lazy media can’t help themselves from talking about how terrible ND is doing because, well, they’ve always written about ND. How can ESPN place 2 out of the 3 college football stories about ND on their front page “tab” when there are so many other good stories?
The media’s lack of creativity is absolutely astounding, and I empathize with those ND fans who are honest about their despair- especially in the face of their blindingly, stupidly arrogant fellow fans who are turning on them because, well, they have no one else to denigrate so they may as well cannibalize their own fan base.

Notre Dame is John Huarte getting the Heisman.

Ahead of:

1. Jerry Rhome
2. Dick Butkus
3. Gale Sayers
4. Joe Namath

Notre Dame is John Huarte getting the Heisman.

Ahead of:

1. Jerry Rhome
2. Dick Butkus
3. Gale Sayers
4. Joe Namath
5. Craig Morton

ProfKid93 – if it makes you feel any better, I thought that when Weis called the dying child’s play against Washington (last year?), that was a good-hearted gesture… and his dedication to raising money for whatever it is that afflicts his daughter is commendable.

He’s not paid to win popularity contests, just like the rest of his peers. But Weis doesn’t help himself with the way he interacts with the press etc.

ProfKid93,
Don’t be mad because it’s all true. It goes far beyond press conferences. Live in your dream world all you want.

JohnInHsv,

why go with John Huarte when you can use Paul Hornung? He beat out John Majors, Tom McDonald, Jerry Tubbs, and Jim Brown.

And he was on a losing team (only time ever done)…

I know somewhere, there is a secret, underground, select group of former ND gridiron greats, former Coaches and grads that are power brokers, with money and power of the worldwide Catholic church, trying to plot the demise of Charlie Weiss….you name it , they are in on it ……Opus Dei, Priory of Sion, Otis Day and the Knights Templar, and maybe even some Freemasons to make it really freaky…10 to 1 Charlie gets a grave medical condition and has to resign…….I am just sayin………

Like I said – irrational. So I’ll take my own advice and stop arguing with madmen.

Weis is Mike Hart as a coach.

Yup, #34…just follow the money! I love watching domers get bent…nothin’ like self-righteousness in the face of absolute, chaotic meltdown…remember, the world tends to entropy and to assist it in anyway just hastens the process. Pure unadulterated collegiate football joy…especially for this orange-irishman!

34 – that was pretty good on the combination of the various fraternal organizations.

Could be, but Im sure the Council on Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission, and the Bilderberg Group will see to it that they stay down. You cannot defeat the New World Order that is 2007 Crazy Football.

1. - Proof Speaker
   I think they will give Jimmah a red shirt this year, because he hasn’t actually played. Unless you consider throwing picks and getting sacked “playing”. So, he’s still got a shot at 4 Heismans

1. Profkid
   Yeah, but see, Saban and Spurrier are FUNNY assholes. Weis is just a self centered prick(unless there’s some blame to be passed off) who hasn’t won shit in college football, but acts like he’s got 10 championships.

I say there is a new awrd created, for being a fat, overpaid, overhyped douchebag. I’d call it: “The Weisman”. Got a nice ring, no ?

I love how there’s a section of ND fans who can’t admit that Weis is an asshole. “He called a play for a dying boy!!!!!!” “He drove a kid home!!!!!!”

If you’re nice to me but an asshole to the waiter….you’re still an asshole.

ProfKid93,

My entire adult experience with Notre Dame is that their return to glory is greatly exaggerated. Their demise has been rolling along for a good decade+ now.

Let’s face it, who wants to go to school in northern Indiana with a bunch of ugly chicks and crummy weather.

My suggestion to ND is to plant some Palm Trees around the stadium to trick recruits into thinking ND might not be as dreary as they thought. Sure, they’ll die every winter, but shit its worth a try.

I mean, after all, dare I say, a conspiracy, right? There is no way Notre Dame can be this bad without help….
mmmm(stroking evil mustache and goatee)……Nothing this diabolical in the history of modern day NCAA football has ever been attempted and pulled off with this much success.
You are welcome,
Signed—-Luis Cipher
“The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he did not exist…..and I’m back bigger than ever”—-Lou Holtz

Somewhere, Wooderson has a tear in his eye and a leaky hardon.

Scalz1 +1 for “The Weisman”.

Yeah, I admit it, I’m a “hater”. The level of hate would not be nearly as bad if it wasn’t for the fact that my best friend is a Notre Dame fan who never went to school there, is Catholic, and has never been to Indiana. He has exhibited in email and in person all of the following this year:

1. Elitism about Notre Dame’s student athletes
2. Elitism about Notre Dame’s entry requirements
3. Elitism about how Notre Dame athletes don’t get into trouble
4. Elitism about Notre Dame’s tradition
5. Defended everything that Weis has ever done, including the bone-headed decision not to kick a game winning FG.
6. Badmouthed everything about Ty Willingham
7. Blamed Notre Dame’s ineptitude this year on Ty’s recruiting
8. Gave all the credit to Weis (and not Ty’s recruiting) for the previous two years’ successes
9. Argued that other programs’ success is only because they all “special exception” entry athletes and ND doesn’t.
10. Talked smack about every Florida loss this year, even though his team wasn’t even competitive in most of their games.

I don’t really want to hate Notre Dame as much as I do, but it’s become untenable. So that’s it. Fuck Notre Dame. Fuck Charlie Weis. Fuck NBC.

/hate

This just in:
ND got beat while thay were at home eating cheesesburgers.

*they.

how come everyone blame ND fans and the team for the amount of coverage espn gives them. this isn’t something we control. i dont really see how we “had it coming” since we’re not exactly an in your face program aside from sports reporters at espn. espn has stroked usc far beyond any conceivably appropriate level. how come nobody hates them this much. i hate usc myself but i certainly don’t waste any of my time relishing in each of their losses.

also every college fan (except for maybe buffalo and fl int’l) believes their program is the best and crashes old coaches that crash and burn. they all praise their coach beyond reason when they’re winning games. they all build up their team preseason and often see NC hopes go down in flames. we all make excuses for our various pitfalls. we all have a part of the fanbase that has no real affiliation with the school. ND really isnt any different for 99% of the schools out there in these respects. if your real qualm with ND is the coverage it gets from espn you should rethink who you actually hate.

Hate hate hate… hate hate hate

Now if y’all will excuse me I’ve got to go home and put some water in Notre Dame’s mother’s dish.

I don’t have a problem with ND haters from kicking us when we are down. I hate the Yankees, and when they lose, I LOVE IT. So Haters, hate on. Bring it all on. I don’t think we have gotten enough grief for this year. Show us what you got.

The hatred for ND is self-inflicted. Their arrogance astounds. But there’s an upside. The whole thing about them getting preferential bowl consideration is a nice self-regulating mechanism. The get put in a bowl they don’t deserve to be in (thus alienating the fan-base of a more deserving team), then they get crushed by the other team that earned it’s way in (reinforcing the delight everyone else takes in hating them).

They, of course, don’t see this because they have an entire off-season to rationalize away the loss. Then the whole thing happens again the following year. It’s a beautiful thing, really.

ND Alum here – finally someone eloquently describes my agony.

CKGator – who won that last time ND played Florida? 1993 Sugar Bowl?

It may not be ND that people hate, it may be the arrogance, the media favoritism and the narrow view of the ND fan base that is hated. After all, Christian teaching tells us to love the sinner but hate the sin.

ND is the number one media darling which is why even in bad years, ND is still in the headlines. It’s a double edged sword.

As for me, I hate the Tide. They are ND of the South, but with fewer teeth.

Atlanta—

Very true. We were on the way up (we’ve won couple bowl games since) and I guess ND was on the way down. Still awaiting the resurgence…

1. —

pete carroll: not a douchebag
usc: actually good…wins bowl games
matt leinart: sex with women
jimmy clausen: asexual

I was going to go ahead and agree with “The Kid” (it is a good and accurate article about the feelings of many ND fans), and talk about how I don’t even have hope left or pride left in this football team, but then I saw all the childish, intellectually impotent comments left from the haters (I especially liked the one where the guy said of out alma mater “that shit is gay”), and it reminded that I did go to Notre Dame, and that does make me better and smarter than everyone else. Awesome, thanks guys. Jimmy for Heisman in ’08.

Notre Dame doesn’t justify “hate” anymore.

I’m now indifferent to the Fightin’ Drunks.

After that post, I have more respect for ND fans. I’m going to swear off hating ND for the rest of the season, and just stick to hating Charlie. That might not sound like a big sacrifice, but I’m a USC fan, so its bigger than you know.

Up we go,

Into the wild blue yonder,

Flying high,

Into the sky………..

As a current ND student….
This is beautiful and correct in every way. Truth hurts.

Duke next week. Bring the pain.

Three things:

1) I know nd is aweful this year, but it still felt good for us to stop our losing streak against them. My team winning is sweet. Having them win against nd is the ultimate high.

2) Having a nd dogpile on a comment board is so cliche, but I’m still going to do it. The idiots in charge of the athletic department deserve all the negative karma they are receiving right now as a result of firing willingham and locking charlie down because of NFL “rumors.” And to all nd grads out there thinking their degree is going to open doors and make them rich—suck it. Unless your daddy owns the company, no one else is hiring.

3) As for the strenuous entry requirements and the tough life of nd’s “student” athletes—try playing sports at a service academy (I walked on for a season and walked right off—let’s just say they didn’t “pick up my contract”). I found myself cheering for Navy for the first time in a very long time. This string of service academy wins means so much to me this season. All these blue chip recruits who can’t play as a team if their lives depended on it, while the service academies exhibit the epitomy of team play and succeed. I know the enrollment to the academies is voluntary, so I’m not writing this to gather people’s pity for how hard cadets work, but to watch our guys win out there in front of a national audience is a such a thrill because I know exactly what they went through to get there.

What a pathetic excuse for a Notre Dame fan.

I’m ashamed that this person would even consider himself a fan of my school.

these are the kinds of people who also sit around and say “the weather sucks, the girls are ugly, the dining hall blows, etc.”

Hey fuck-o, if you want to rag on the school so much, maybe you should gone somewhere else. God knows I would be a lot happier if you did.

1. I disagree!

The South Dining Hall ROCKS.