BLOGPOLL FINAL, WEEK TWELVE
With many clarifications thanks to reader input, as noted below.
| Rank | Team | Delta |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | Ohio State | — |
| 2 | LSU | — |
| 3 | Oregon | — |
| 4 | Kansas | 2 |
| 5 | Oklahoma | — |
| 6 | Missouri | 1 |
| 7 | West Virginia | 2 |
| 8 | Connecticut | 2 |
| 9 | Arizona State | 5 |
| 10 | Boston College | 2 |
| 11 | Georgia | 6 |
| 12 | Southern Cal | 14 |
| 13 | Virginia Tech | 7 |
| 14 | Michigan | 4 |
| 15 | Texas | 4 |
| 16 | Virginia | 7 |
| 17 | Auburn | 2 |
| 18 | Clemson | 5 |
| 19 | Florida | 7 |
| 20 | Florida State | 6 |
| 21 | Boise State | 5 |
| 22 | Alabama | — |
| 23 | Penn State | 3 |
| 24 | South Florida | 5 |
| 25 | Arkansas | 1 |
Examples of being taken to task properly:
The principal one from yesterday’s draft was the ranking of Penn State and Texas, pointed out innumerable times by readers. (Actually, that requires counting, something there’s obvious trouble with around here anyway.)
Seriously? How did Michigan drop a spot, while Penn State leapfrogs them from out of the top 25 to 17?
That’s just nonsense.–Bucktown Skins Fan.
You might want to rethink putting 7-3 Penn State over an 8-2 Michigan team that beat them earlier in the year.–Evan.
What the fuck is up with your poll? Penn St and Virginia is ranked and Auburn drops out? Holy shit, what a travesty.–Wes.
Seriously. This is the funniest thing you’ve posted in weeks.–Mon L
This officially makes no sense….I need some more klonipin and black coffee, please…and, one day, maybe the BlogPoll fog will lift.–Der Schatten
Orson, I understand you apologize each week when releasing this thing, but apologizing up front doesn’t make up for doing a half-ass job… this poll is embarrassing… it’s the kind of thing that allows people to defend the idea of Mark May voting in the AP Poll.
Fix it. Fix it now. For the love of god, fix it now.–Peter Pumpkinhead.
Pilloried is an overused word, but not in this case. Rightly done, too–the draft was a masterpiece of contradiction, illogic, and haste to rival Das Kapital for incoherence. It stands corrected now in all its beefy majesty. We’d add a Trogdor third arm to it, so beautiful is it.
Priority seating: We bow to our own obvious predjudices and put LSU at number two. Really, no other excuse remains considering Oregon and LSU are in many ways the same team: solid but not platinum OOC schedule, one very close loss to a conference team with three losses, a spread offense, and blitzing defensive schemes yielding largely good results across the board. If we have to go down the rabbit hole and pit the two teams together in the imagination, Oregon’s injuries at wideout probably put them a notch under LSU at this point. But that’s hypothetical valuation based on the injured list, not actual play, and that we do not like.
We’ll just plead SEC homer at this point, since that’s what someone will think anyway when we say one team is perhaps slightly less awesome than another awesome team.
Michigan is valued over Texas, and who the hell knows what to do with Clemson? Auburn re-enters on the shoulders of the BOOM! MOTHERFUCKER Tigerplainseagle defense.
Dropped: Cal, hilariously overvalued and losers of 3 of their last 4; Wake Forest, targets of market correction of our obvious mind-crush on Jim Grobe’s ability to make a degustation from the paltry ingredients at Wake; Penn State, because they bore us, Klytus; Hawaii, for playing no one; Purdue, for being Purdue and racking up a huge record on fluff before losing in-conference; and Brigham Young, because we’re black and have a thing for Mormon girls. Actually, because we ran out of room and really love Boise State running at full steam over them and a few other teams, too.

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Yeah Cal was so overvalued (that’s sarcasm). Our QB is hurt and not only is his ankle gonna need surgery but he became a huge pussy overnight and cannot hit shit deep cause he can’t plant. But that’s what’s turns me on about ya, you’re attention to detail. If Longshore hits anything, we’re three and one. Plus Tedford, ie the most stubborn motherfucker alive, will not go to Riley who is a baller. We should have one loss. Florida should have three.
God, if only our overlyreligious annoying ass quarterback ran the “Wing T like Tebow”. Sadly, Our overly religious quarterback and Tebow share the fact that they waste all the crazy boy band ass tossed at them. And I’m at Vandy for Grad School, I watch the SEC and love it, but that dumb truck’s talent is taking it in from 5 yards or less. Harvin is the fucking Truth. Period. Easily the best player on the team and him and McFadden are up for most dangerous player in the nation. In fact, watching FLA I kinda get mad when people talk about Tebow like that, I suspect Cam Newton will do the same thing and Brantley made a bad decision by going there. Anyways, Orson when you talk about overrated and speak in generalities you sound like The Big Lead. Jorts 4 Life! Rant over!
Comment by MP — November 8, 2007 @ 2:23 am
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First of all, let me just say that I and countless others like me want Nick Aliotti fired. This bend-but-don’t-break tripe really doesn’t cut it in college football, even though Oregon has been successful regardless.
That said, it’s not like the defense is completely nonexistent. Rudy Carpenter was sacked NINE TIMES. Matthew Harper made a brilliant play on Sanchez’s game-ending throw to seal it. Nick Reed has been on an absolute tear, and he has a game with 11 TFL and 3.5 sacks under his belt (albeit against Washington State).
It would be fruitless of me to argue that the Oregon defense is anything other than mediocre but to write them off before they meet Ohio State or LSU is asinine. Oregon will take it though. USC fans will piss and moan all day about having Mark Sanchez and not John David Ass in the backfield, but at the end of the day USC has the superior talent and they didn’t win.
And that comment about Aliotti’s schemes stifling ASU made me laugh. The only person his schemes stifle is himself.
Comment by Innocent Bystander — November 7, 2007 @ 5:12 pm
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Scalz1, I agree Michigan is a much better team now, and a better team than Texas, which I believe is vastly overrated. But Michigan’s punishment is not over yet and should be happy it is ranked at all.
Comment by Unhappy Monkey — November 7, 2007 @ 5:06 pm
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What he said. Michigan had 300+ yards at halftime and seven points because of a series of unfortunate incidents in the red zone that would be unlikely to be repeated. In the second half, Michigan threw Ryan Mallett to the wolves and the team quit. That game should have been something like 48-34 Oregon. USC’s offense was close to free-fall by the time it made it to Eugene, having struggled to put up 20 on Arizona two weeks prior.
Comment by Michael — November 7, 2007 @ 4:52 pm
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Bystander,
Henne was out much of the Michigan game with true frosh Mallett floundering allowed and Hart was hurt and running not much of an option given the score. The Oregon offense was breathtaking, though, and the socre does not do it justice.
USC’s offense has hardly been of high quality this year the receivers have not been in sink, the runnings baks have been hurt and the 3rd time starter qb Sanchez threw 2 key interceptions. Again, the offesne leaves few questions.
Comment by marcillac — November 7, 2007 @ 3:38 pm
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Michael,
If Oregon’s defense wouldn’t have a hope of stopping a quality offense, what do you call USC and Michigan? Chopped liver?
Orson: long time listener, first time caller. Don’t necessarily love the switch at the top, but the underdog mentality’s worked all year. Go Ducks and go Gators.
Comment by Innocent Bystander — November 7, 2007 @ 3:32 pm
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Orson,
Stats are only misleading if you use them incorrectly. If you looked at a team giving up a lot of passing yards and decided that they have a bad defense, then you’d be making a mistake if that team is ahead every game and forcing opponents to throw. That said, yards per play stats don’t make that mistake. Oregon’s YPP is terrible for a title contender. That will catch up with them at some point. They played ASU at home and Rudy Carpenter was gimpy. They out-schemed ASU with their blitzes. That doesn’t change the fact that Oregon’s defense wouldn’t have a hope of stopping a quality offense. They could conceivably win a shootout against LSU or Ohio State, but there is little separating them from Florida.
Based on a sample size of one (last year), looking at YPP was very valuable. It exposed Notre Dame as a fraud when the Irish were 9-1, it showed that Florida was in Michigan and Ohio State’s class (and probably ahead of them based on strength of schedule), and it showed USC’s flaws.
Comment by Michael — November 7, 2007 @ 1:44 pm
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You can always blame the first ballot on the torture:
Orson Swindle, a McCain friend and fellow prisoner in Vietnam, says he underwent sleep deprivation for up to 20 days, and considered that torture.
Oh, I guess that’s the other Orson Swindle, huh?
Comment by cocknfire — November 7, 2007 @ 1:37 pm
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You can always blame the first ballot on the torture:
Orson Swindle, a McCain friend and fellow prisoner in Vietnam, says he underwent sleep deprivation for up to 20 days, and considered that torture.
Oh, I guess that’s the other Orson Swindle, huh?
Comment by cocknfire — November 7, 2007 @ 1:37 pm
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So looking at that blog, Vegas is about as useful as, well, other pollsters.
Comment by Biggus Rickus — November 7, 2007 @ 1:34 pm
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http://blog.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2007/11/this_weeks_vegas_oddsmakers_to_10.html
Comment by Gary Danielson — November 7, 2007 @ 1:29 pm
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Vegas has Michigan at #9, three spot above Texas. If you want to bet against Vegas, knock yourself out.
Comment by Gary Danielson — November 7, 2007 @ 1:28 pm
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Here’s a conversation I had with a local philosophy professor when explaining the BCS and rankings.
Him “So aside from being the best in your conference, teams are ranked nationally?”
Me “Yes, there are a few polls out which rank the teams from best to worst.”
Him “Polls”
Me “Yes”
Him “Let me get this straight, teams are ranked based on human votes about how good they are.”
Me “Yes.”
Him “How good they shows in their won loss record right?”
Me “Generally.”
Him “What if more than one team has the same number of wins and losses? They’re ranked the same right?”
Me “No.”
Him “Why not?”
Me “Well, it depends on their ‘Strength of Schedule.’
Him “What gives one team a more difficult schedule than another?”
Me “If one team’s opponents are better than another team’s opponents, the one team has a tougher or stronger schedule”
Him “How do they rate how good the opponents are?”
Me “By looking at the polls”
Him “I’m getting dizzy”
Comment by sevenDs — November 7, 2007 @ 1:28 pm
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True indeed, but if seriously think that the same UM team is playing right now as in the first week in September, you are sadly mistaken.
Comment by Scalz1 — November 7, 2007 @ 1:02 pm
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I would truly love to see it Scalz1, alas, Texas hasn’t yet. Michigan has, figuritively (lost to appy state) and literally by the transitive property (wofford beat appy state this year)..
Comment by Unhappy Monkey — November 7, 2007 @ 12:51 pm
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Or Wofford, whichever you prefer.
Comment by Scalz1 — November 7, 2007 @ 12:25 pm
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Woffird would beat Texas.
Comment by Scalz1 — November 7, 2007 @ 12:22 pm
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Thank you, kind sir, thank you.
Comment by Wes — November 7, 2007 @ 12:20 pm
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1 - UConn’s OOC schedule was, sadly, probably harder than Ohio State’s
OSU had 3-6 Kent, I-AA Youngstown, 3-6 Akron, @3-6 Washington
UConn had 1-7 Duke, I-AA Maine, 3-6 Temple, 3-6 Akron, @8-2 Virginia.
That’s a whole lot of crap there. We don’t even have to discuss the Bill Snyder special Kansas dreamed up.
Comment by Edsall is God — November 7, 2007 @ 12:17 pm
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Orson,
Much wisdom in flipping Oregon/LSU.
The explanation begs the question though: Who, pray, considers “play” and “execution” and stuff in determining where to rank a team. Pshaw and fiddlesticks!!!
Its this kind of approach, regardless of conclusions, that will, the SN gig notwithstanding, keep people like your from the hallowed pews of the AP Poll.
Comment by marcillac — November 7, 2007 @ 11:52 am
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Everyone’s got flaws…
OSU- best wins are Wisky PSU and Purdue. Meh. At least they were all convincing.
Oregon- lost to Cal. At home. Getting love for beating ASU. ASU has two wins over teams with winning records- 6-3 Cal, and 5-4 unbelievably meh Oregon St.
Also caught UM shellshocked, no way that game goes that way today.
LSU- lost to Kentucky. Have barely beaten a parade of teams like Bama (lost to FSU), Florida (you know), Auburn (lost to USF and freaking Miss St!), etc. A top 3 team should be beating those teams easily. They aren’t.
Kansas- Wow, now that’s a schedule. 106 per Sagarin. (OSU is 63rd for comparison)
Oklahoma- lost to Colorado. Ha Ha. Also, schedule is worse than OSU’s (72nd). And that loss.
West Va- lost to USF. Schedule= 61st. They might have the most legit claim to #4.
Boston College- Bad loss, and well, they just fail the smell test. (this is also known as “play in the ACC”)
Missouri- loss to OK, not too bad of a schedule (53rd).
Best wins are Texas Tech and Illinois though.
UConn- I’m already bored. Seriously, go UConn. Why not.
And what does all of this mean? I have no idea, other than no one has any idea which teams are the best. Maybe they are all about equal, and can all beat another on any given day. If nothing else, I wasted some work time, and obtained some knowledge about the top teams and their seasons thus far.
Carry On.
Comment by Pants McPants — November 7, 2007 @ 11:51 am
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What to do about Clemson? Sadly, Tommy will probably get trounced by an unranked Wake Forest team this weekend then turn around and beat a top ten BC team. I hope I’m wrong.
Comment by cutiger89 — November 7, 2007 @ 11:38 am