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BLOGPOLL DRAFT, WEEK ELEVEN/TWELVISH

This week's blogpoll draft, put up to get the obvious mistakes charred out of the hide of this beast before submission. Preparation: it's the new procrastination!

Errors, early apologies, and questions below.

Rank Team Delta
1 Ohio State --
2 Oregon 1
3 LSU 1
4 Kansas 2
5 Oklahoma --
6 Missouri 1
7 Connecticut 3
8 West Virginia 1
9 Arizona State 5
10 Boston College 2
11 Georgia 6
12 Southern Cal 14
13 Virginia 10
14 Virginia Tech 6
15 Texas 4
16 Tennessee --
17 Penn State 9
18 Florida State 8
19 Michigan 1
20 Florida 6
21 Clemson 8
22 South Florida 3
23 Boise State 3
24 Alabama 2
25 Arkansas 1

Dropped Out: Wake Forest (#12), California (#14), Auburn (#15), Purdue (#21), Hawaii (#24), Brigham Young (#25).

Errors, queries, other minor tragedies.

Dropped: Wake? Unsure why the first draft doesn't have them on, other than that we feel the marginal victor of choice in the ACC is not the Demon Deacons but the Virginia Cavaliers. Purdue and Hawaii get no apologies for lack of performance and lack of schedule strength, respectively. BYU gets bumped in the bustle, but Auburn's the real question mark here. They have the best defense overall in the SEC, and are likely worthy of an edit for inclusion.

Added for dubious reasons: Arkansas, who may be in the poll as a nod to McFadden/Jones alone.

The muddle at the top: The Big 12 dominates the top ten, and we're suspicious of that clump up there, especially Kansas, who now that everyone has universally acknowledged their goodness will immediately choke--because this is 2007, and we trust no team given a compliment to not let it go to their head and immediately crash and burn the following week.

Oregon at 2 looks like a keeper, though. Their nod over LSU at this point is their snappy, clean offense and discipline, something LSU's rollicking mess of an offense--talented beyond belief but prone to errors that make things far, far harder than they need be--does not have.

Critiques, invective, and comments below.

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  1. to out of the poll after winning? Can’t wait to see what you do when AU has a bye next week.

by TIGERinATL on Nov 6, 2007 12:05 PM EST reply actions  

UMMM ..
Penn State above Michigan ?

by Scalz1 on Nov 6, 2007 12:15 PM EST reply actions  

Clemson drops 8 spots after winning by 37?

FSU leapfrogs over us because they upset BC, even though they have lost to: Wake, Miami (at home), and of course, US?

Penn State goes up that many for beating Purdue?

UVa? UVa? UV fucking a? They beat Wake for crying out loud by a single point, at home.

When did you start the crystal meth party? Did you just want to lose 60 lbs in a month or something?

by Coop on Nov 6, 2007 12:16 PM EST reply actions  

So, if LSU is the werewolf/chainsaw hybrid, then what is Oregon? A peregrine with a SMAW?

by BDoc on Nov 6, 2007 12:16 PM EST reply actions  

#$#$%%$$%#$ and furthermore @$#$#$%#$#$$

Oregon over LSU. Nope. Don’t diasgree with analysis. Oregon looks great , LSU are maniacs and am relieved that BC is blessedly out of MNC picture.

However, Oregon was held to fewer than 350 yards, at HOME, by USC. USC’s defense is by no means to be despised by LSU put up 350 in one HALF against an Auburn defense that is also not half bad.

Oregon gave up almost 500 yards, at HOME and benefited from 2 huge turnovers and a royal fuckup by Carpenter at the end of the 1st half to secure their comfortable margin. The LSU offense is a mess with so much talent that it would cause Mangino’s dinner table to collapse. And yet they did come through and showed great resiliance under HUGE HUGE HUGE pressure. The defense is perhaps not as dominating as had previously been thought but their worst outing was 375 yards on the road at Kentucky against a QB who was playing as well as anyone in the country at the time.

There’s no question that LSU might manage to throw away games. The qulity of the offense and defense and the repeatedly demonstrated resiliance make it unlikely that any team in the country (save possibly and untested or very slightly tested – Ohio State) can actually beat them sans a particularly generous helping of cajun fuckups.

1. LSU
2. Oregon
3. Ohio State (wating on Michigan game for possible promotion).

by marcillac on Nov 6, 2007 12:26 PM EST reply actions  

marcillac is funny……and so is virginia.

by gerry dorsey on Nov 6, 2007 12:28 PM EST reply actions  

What did the Barn do to get dropped out?

by WTF? on Nov 6, 2007 12:31 PM EST reply actions  

psu over UM?

by Ike on Nov 6, 2007 12:31 PM EST reply actions  

Best. Poll. Ever. UConn at #7? I’m down.

by Edsall is God on Nov 6, 2007 12:33 PM EST reply actions  

Penn State should not be above Michigan….let alone ranked at all

by scott on Nov 6, 2007 12:36 PM EST reply actions  

Seriously? How did Michigan drop a spot, while Penn State leapfrogs them from out of the top 25 to 17?

That’s just nonsense.

by Bucktown Skins Fan on Nov 6, 2007 12:36 PM EST reply actions  

marcillac’s blind love is pretty amusing

by The Last Dragon on Nov 6, 2007 12:37 PM EST reply actions  

Fuck fumbles and replays. That’s all.

by SpookyJuice on Nov 6, 2007 12:38 PM EST reply actions  

I’ll second all the Penn State over Michigan comments, neither win was impressive, but at least Michigan won on the road (maybe you forgot that they already beat Penn State??). Other than that, USC up 12 spots after beating Oregon State at home…will they be #4 if they beat Cal this weekend? Oh, and the FSU/Clemson thing is stupid too.

by Diesel on Nov 6, 2007 12:39 PM EST reply actions  

You might want to rethink putting 7-3 Penn State over an 8-2 Michigan team that beat them earlier in the year.

Thanks for keeping Hawaii out. I understand the allure of plugging in an undefeated team in place of some of the really marginal 3-loss teams at the bottom of the poll, and commend you for resisting it.

by Evan on Nov 6, 2007 12:51 PM EST reply actions  

there is no way that penn st is a better team than michigan.

by Anna on Nov 6, 2007 12:53 PM EST reply actions  

I still am waiting for a good reason to have OSU at #1 besides “Well…they’re Ohio State.” They are efficient and have largely stayed above the chaos that has taken out other teams mainly because their non-con schedule was awful and they have avoided playing anyone of consequence in a very down cycle for the Big 10. There are at least 3 and maybe as many as 5 teams below them that I would take on a neutral field, and the real life voters would be scoffing at the true competence of this team if they were not THE OSU. Have them switch uniforms with Kansas and they’d be ranked 5th or below.

by Beatuofa on Nov 6, 2007 12:54 PM EST reply actions  

Oregon over LSU? Oh no no no!

LSU still has a conference game to play, while there is none for Oregon.

by KrisJ on Nov 6, 2007 12:59 PM EST reply actions  

What the fuck is up with your poll? Penn St and Virginia is ranked and Auburn drops out? Holy shit, what a travesty.

by Wes on Nov 6, 2007 1:08 PM EST reply actions  

Duck Season Dept

Oregon over LSU makes total sense. Both have one loss, but LSU has about three or four ALMOST LOSSES, which should dump them down some.

Quack, Quack, Quack…..

by Stacy Keibler Luvs Me on Nov 6, 2007 1:08 PM EST reply actions  

God, it just looks so retarded to have Kansas at #4. I hope they get the shit knocked out of them at Okey State this weekend and drop to around 17 or 18 where they should be.

by Guy Igcognito on Nov 6, 2007 1:16 PM EST reply actions  

Consider this:

*Alabama and Tennessee have identical records in the same conference.

*Alabama has lost 3 games by a combined margin of 17 points.

*Tennessee has lost 3 games by a combined margin of 77 points.

*Alabama beat Tennesee head-to-head, 41-17. An absolute thrashing.

And Tennessee is ranked 8 spots ahead of Bama in the blog poll? Genius.

by Rainmaker on Nov 6, 2007 1:18 PM EST reply actions  

And I’m a Bama fan, but AU being out at this point (particularly considering some of the teams in) is inexplicable.

by Rainmaker on Nov 6, 2007 1:21 PM EST reply actions  

Southern Cal jumps 14 spots for beating Oregon St? I claim grotto bias.

by Herb on Nov 6, 2007 1:23 PM EST reply actions  

I’ll buy Oregon over LSU by the way — it’s at least a toss up.

I would REALLY buy Oregon over OSU. OSU would go 0-2 versus those two. Too bad they’ll only get the chance to be blown off the field by one of them.

by TIGERinATL on Nov 6, 2007 1:24 PM EST reply actions  

24 – Ohio State is losing to Michigan and our long national nightmare will be over. Personally, I don’t know how good Ohio State is because they haven’t played anybody but they look darn impressive. I don’t understand how last year’s debacle against Florida has anything to do with their year this year.

by Edsall is God on Nov 6, 2007 1:30 PM EST reply actions  

I’d stick Oregon at #1, frankly. All that counts is the wins and losses. Well, except in college football, where you have to look at the fact that LSU could just as easily be sitting with three losses. There hasn’t been a close Oregon game other than Cal.

Also, anyone who’s looking at defensive statistics is barking up the wrong tree. I’m an ASU alum and as partisan as anyone, but Oregon fucking rocked ASU’s previously solid offense. Many, many of those yards were garbage time against a bend-but-don’t-break defense.

by Erik on Nov 6, 2007 1:34 PM EST reply actions  

Unless every OSU player improved their 40 speed by a few tenths, then that display last January is still very much relevant.

by TIGERinATL on Nov 6, 2007 1:34 PM EST reply actions  

I’m with Coop, how the hell does FSU jump us when A) we beat them at home and B) we beat Duke worse in Durham than FSU did in Tallahassee. Oh yeah, we also had 6 TD’s and 1FG against Duke as opposed to FSU’s 1TD and 6 FG’s. You must be joking me. And also, UVA jumps 10 spots for beating Wake Forest by 1 and Clemson drops 8 spots for winning by 37 over Duke, their worst loss of the year, most points given up on the year, and fewest points scored at home on the year. Now I don’t believe that Clemson should have been 13 last week, but to have both UVA and FSU ahead of us is flat out stupid.

by Clemson327 on Nov 6, 2007 1:39 PM EST reply actions  

It appears that “Evil Orson” has started doing the blog poll.

Somewhere, might be Chicago if he is still a Bear, Evil Chris Leak celebrates O’s crossing over, and not in the NIB way, to the Dark Side.

by Coop on Nov 6, 2007 1:45 PM EST reply actions  

Seriously. This is the funniest thing you’ve posted in weeks.

by Mon-L on Nov 6, 2007 1:53 PM EST reply actions  

How the bloody fuck is USF ranked? Uconn at 7? Tennessee from unranked to 16th just for taking Tiny Tim’s crutch and beating him to death (or something similarly competitive)? Wretched PSU over not-so-wretched (but maddening) UM? And, finally, UF gets a HUGE bump for slaughtering vandy, while Clemson gets demoted for demolishing another conference lowlife? Huh?

This officially makes no sense….I need some more klonipin and black coffee, please…and, one day, maybe the BlogPoll fog will lift.

by Der Schatten on Nov 6, 2007 1:55 PM EST reply actions  

Please, all of the Buckeyes haters. Bet as much money as you can against tOSU so that the point spread is sufficiently skewed in our favor. Then when the Buckeyes win, over whoever shows up in NOLA, try not to cry a river and flood them again. The Bucks will keep on winning and piss everyone off. When they win impressively, we haven’t played anyone. Yet everyone picks our last 3 opponents to be the one they lose to. We beat our versions of UK, Colorado & Cal. You want to bitch, we just win!

by Crabapple Buck on Nov 6, 2007 1:58 PM EST reply actions  

AU blasts tenn tech and drops cmon guys either correct that bullshit or pass the crack pipe

by Absolut on Nov 6, 2007 2:01 PM EST reply actions  

#27

I am so fucking sick of this SEC speed bullshit. A)it isn’t a fucking track meet and B)whats in the fucking water water that makes people south of the Mason-Dixon line so much fucking faster than us slow northerners? C) There are only a handful of teams (and LSU ain’t one of them) that can match OSU’s track record on draft day, but I’m sure that the NFL isn’t drafting speed.

1/8/07 happened because OSU bought into the hype that they were the greatest team that ever walked the earth. They expected to walk out onto the field and walk over UF. When UF started hitting back, OSU didn’t respond. On top of that, OSU’s gameplan of forcing Leak to beat them with absolutely no pressure in his face was fucking idiotic. Take nothing away from UF because they deserved it, but if you think that UF “ran” by OSU with their superior “SEC speed” then you have no fucking idea what you are talking about.

by Flattop on Nov 6, 2007 2:04 PM EST reply actions  

Orson— Hell, Nebraska beat Wake at Groves, er, BB&T Field. Can’t be that hard to do if Nebraska could manage it. A ten point bump seem… excessive.

Unless, of course, some manner of reverse jinxies are at work; if so, then, by all means, carry on.

by Albino Tornado on Nov 6, 2007 2:04 PM EST reply actions  

  1. - Wayne, is that you?

by TIGERinATL on Nov 6, 2007 2:05 PM EST reply actions  

Come on Flattop – Speed doesn’t matter? check out the SEC players on any given Sunday against the Big 10 – against all other conferences for that matter. 17% of players on active rosters this season are all SEC! To quote a good friend of mine Matt Mauck, Stepping up to the NFL speed wasn’t that big of a deal because of the “speed of the SEC corners”.

by Harleyman on Nov 6, 2007 2:13 PM EST reply actions  

Flattop at #33 -

Couldn’t have said it better myself. Janurary 8, 2007 does not mean that the SEC is, or ever was, better than the Big 10. Remember, the Big Ten was 2-1 against the SEC in bowls last year, and 8-6 over the past 5 years. That SEC speed garbage is a pure myth. Remember the opening kickoff from last’s year’s title game? No speed on that play at all….

by PSUfanNYC on Nov 6, 2007 2:16 PM EST reply actions  

As much as I hate to say so, PSU over Michigan is batshit crazy. Oregon over LSU is a tough call, but I think it’s the right one – barely.

But UConn at #7? Are you forgetting they were one obviously blown call away from losing to Temple?

And I don’t see how a Tennessee team that’s gotten its ass handed to it on a silver platter three times, all three by teams you have ranked lower than them, belongs within shouting distance of the top 25.

by SpartanDan on Nov 6, 2007 2:17 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah, uh, Michigan not only beat Penn State, but it did so with the fumbletastic Ryan Mallett playing QB that day.

Did you forget that UConn got a win gift-wrapped for them by the refs? I’m not talking about Louisville (that happened early enough in the game to at least plausibly argue UConn could still have won), I’m talking about the one against a horrid Temple team that’s far below teams like Appalachian State and Stanford in the computer ratings. UConn shouldn’t be in the top 10.

by Yinka Double Dare on Nov 6, 2007 2:19 PM EST reply actions  

Tiger @ 35

Judging from your post(s), you probably haven’t actually seen tOSU play except for 1/8/07. I too live in the greater ATL and can only hope that everybody has the same provincial view on football that you do. With folks like you and your ilk, Vegas will always have a profitable sports book.

by Crabapple Buck on Nov 6, 2007 2:23 PM EST reply actions  

Keep in mind, this was the draft, not submitted until tomorrow. But the “HEY, DIPSHIT!” points are all valid, especially Penn State over Michigan. That’s just fucktarded.

by Orson Swindle on Nov 6, 2007 2:24 PM EST reply actions  

Dear Big-11

1. Your football teams are all slow and plodding.

2. Your women are pale and have kankles.

That is all.

Signed,
The SEC

by TIGERinATL on Nov 6, 2007 2:28 PM EST reply actions  

Dear SEC:

ur teems r not so gud this yeer. & ur fans are n-bread homrs who caint reed.

by sherlock hemlock on Nov 6, 2007 2:37 PM EST reply actions  

UConn… pfft. Whatev.

by CouchBurnin'Girl on Nov 6, 2007 2:42 PM EST reply actions  

#44:

1. 2-1 vs. SEC in 2007.

2. http://www.4mags.co.uk/images/full/PB200310.JPG

Always better,
Big 10

by PSUfanNYC on Nov 6, 2007 2:48 PM EST reply actions  

so take the Big 10 3rd best (Illinois?) and put them up against SEC 4th best. Any takers? can they handle an Alabama, Auburn or a Florida? Big 10 is always a big 1 or 2 and the rest are weak. That my friend is why the SEC is the Best!

by Harleyman on Nov 6, 2007 2:54 PM EST reply actions  

#48:

Jan 1, 2007:

Big Ten #4 20, SEC #3 10

Big Ten #3 17, SEC #2 14

by PSUfanNYC on Nov 6, 2007 2:57 PM EST reply actions  

#47

Girls of the SEC was out just a month or so ago, I believe. You should see the hags in there. ugh.

by TIGERinATL on Nov 6, 2007 2:58 PM EST reply actions  

The SEC has some hot women, without question. I was simply defending the Big 10 ladies. The PAC 10 and ACC are pretty loaded as well. The Big East….not so much.

by PSUfanNYC on Nov 6, 2007 3:04 PM EST reply actions  

Pat Forde, Mel Kiper, Todd McShay, Mark Schlabach, David Albright, Bill Curry, Rece Davis, Jim Donnan, and Bruce Feldman all have LSU #2 (That’s 9 out of the 16 analyst from ESPN) and Rod Gilmore and Colin Cowherd have LSU #1. That ups it to 11 out of 16. Maybe it’s just me but I see LSU above Oregon.

by Harleyman on Nov 6, 2007 3:12 PM EST reply actions  

Every school has good looking women. Hell, they are all 18-22, they should be decent looking at that age. I don’t think any team is suiting up the babes though. We did however have a cheerleader, Tara Zinslen, that kicked a 25 yd FG to beat a Miami cheerleader at halftime of the BCSCG in 2003.

by Crabapple Buck on Nov 6, 2007 3:14 PM EST reply actions  

Harleyman @ 52

Are you seriously pointing to ESPN as a source of reason? Does Orson still have the thread of 1000+ comments on how shitty the WWL is? Maybe we need another one for the talent starved mouse affiliate. Yes, I’m aware they have tOSU guys employed there.

by Crabapple Buck on Nov 6, 2007 3:20 PM EST reply actions  

  1. - the All Time AP football Poll has 8 SEC teams in the top 25. only 5 Big 10.

The Southeastern Conference had 269 players on the 2007 National Football League active rosters, which leads all conferences.

The Atlantic Coast Conference was second with 238 players, followed by the Big Ten with 234 players, Pac-10 with 183 players, Big 12 with 176 players and the Big East with 84 players

The SEC had five of its schools with 30-or-more-players on NFL rosters. No other conference had two.

Dang – why do SEC’ers have to defend this every year!

by Harleyman on Nov 6, 2007 3:22 PM EST reply actions  

PSU, you may want to change #2 and #3 in the SEC to #3 and #4, since like the Big 10 last year, the SEC fielded two BCS teams (and unlike the Big 10, the SEC managed to win both of their BCS games handily, as opposed to having their asses handed to them in both of them). Granted, Arkansas did win the West division, but LSU was better by pretty much any objective measure (including head-to-head).

Plus, since the way the SEC bowls tie-ins are, it’s really hard to say who was #3 or #4 in the SEC last year (I’d certainly say that a 10-2 Auburn was better than a 9-3 UT, e.g.). The SEC has agreements to play in bowl games against 3 BCS conferences’ runners-up (Capital One-B10, Cotton-B12, Peach-ACC), which virtually guarantees that an SEC #4 or 5 will play against another conference’s runner up. I’d be hard-pressed to find another conference with such arrangements.

by MiseanAuFan on Nov 6, 2007 3:26 PM EST reply actions  

Auburn doesn’t have time for this bullshit.

by SonofSamford on Nov 6, 2007 3:35 PM EST reply actions  

Blogpoll redacted.

by bada-bing on Nov 6, 2007 3:42 PM EST reply actions  

I’m a UVA guy, and I started to write this comment about how having the Cavs ahead of VT at this point isn’t defensible (even if I think they’ll win in Charlottesville in 3 weeks), but ended up coming to a different conclusion. Both are sitting at 2 losses with comparable signature wins (Clemson/UConn), but UVA also holds a win over 6-3 Wake while VT holds a win over I-AA William and Mary. Of course, UVA’s losses are to less-than-average Wyoming and NC State, while VT dropped to #2 and #10. I guess they should be pretty darn close to each other, but probably should each be 3-4 spots closer to the back of the 2-loss pack on account of 1) miserable losses, or 2) lack of achievement.

On teams I don’t care about, Tennessee and Penn State are way overvalued, and I definitely question the inclusion of the plummeting Leavitt Eradication Squad in Tampa.

by HooShotYa on Nov 6, 2007 3:45 PM EST reply actions  

Erik @ 27

350 yards on AUBURN’s D, in a close game where every yard matters is damn impressive.

To be honest only saw 4th qtr of Oregon/ASU game and that out of corner of my eye and while ASU moved the ball well Oregon certainly looked in control. Still LSU has firepower like Oregon hasn’t seen yet and on a netural field (an in a hypothetical MNC mathcup NOLA would only be so neutral). The ASU win was excellent but I’m not sure the outcome doesn’t change in Tempe.
Oregon’s offense is the shit – at this point I’d give it an edge over the LSU D. I like the LSU O over Oregon by a bigger margin, though.

LSU 35 – Oregon 31 (unless the kitties fuck it up – which they may).

by marcillac on Nov 6, 2007 4:27 PM EST reply actions  

Connecticut has a footbawl team….get out.

by Stockman on Nov 6, 2007 4:38 PM EST reply actions  

Orson, I understand you apologize each week when releasing this thing, but apologizing up front doesn’t make up for doing a half-ass job… this poll is embarrassing… it’s the kind of thing that allows people to defend the idea of Mark May voting in the AP Poll.

Fix it. Fix it now. For the love of god, fix it now.

by PeterPumpkinhead on Nov 6, 2007 4:52 PM EST reply actions  

You might as well rank Notre Dame just for fun. After all, they beat UCLA, who beat Stanford, who beat #12 USC. Rank the UW one spot higher, since Ty’s recruits are responsible for both teams’ records.

by Brian O'Blivion on Nov 6, 2007 5:02 PM EST reply actions  

Buy Cincinnati Bearcats! Buy, Buy, Buy. They WILL beat UConn this weekend.

by OhioDawg on Nov 6, 2007 5:39 PM EST reply actions  

Recognizing that this is 2007 and that everyone’s lost to everyone…I am so uncomfortable seeing Tennessee in the Top 25. I like us at about 27. (Well, not like, but lordy, we’ve played one decent game all year.)

by Holly on Nov 6, 2007 6:16 PM EST reply actions  

Your ranking of Tennessee, Connecticut, and your relative ranking of UM/PSU, as others point out, is indefensible. I’ll throw in:

Virginia the best school in the state?

Texas over Michigan?

Note that I agree with Oregon at #2.

by Justin on Nov 6, 2007 6:24 PM EST reply actions  

38,

Oh, don’t mistake my post for saying speed isn’t important. What I am saying is that there is speed everywhere, not just the SEC. Don’t you really think that most DB’s that start at BCS conference schools all aren’t fast? Are Miami/FSU/USC/OSU/Texas/OU players so much slower just because they don’t play in the SEC. OSU has a true Frosh from GA that is getting significant PT this year that was down to UGA and OSU, does the fact that he choose OSU make him slower. The SEC speed myth would be akin to me saying that there is a B10 size advantage or a P10 strength advantage etc, etc. Everyone, EVERYONE, is big, fast, and strong, not just the SEC.

by flattop on Nov 6, 2007 9:37 PM EST reply actions  

so Arkansas AND Florida both get nods despite being 3-loss teams with home losses to Auburn

but we drop Auburn from 15 to out of the poll because they only beat Tennessee Tech by 32?

good job

by DanPeck on Nov 6, 2007 10:44 PM EST reply actions  

wtf soopid

by Gary Danielson on Nov 7, 2007 1:33 PM EST reply actions  

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