CURIOUS INDEX, 11/5/07

Saban wasn’t running FROM LSU, he was running TO the BANK.

Chan Gailey is a QB development MACHINE. The guy who gets the ball on every play is our worst player, nearly. Yikes! The School hasnt had a good (consistently anyway) QB since George Godsey in 2001.

I think most UGA fans in addition to myself would agree that beating Auburn and Kentucky (and GT is due for an UGA-UF ‘07-type outburst against us after 6 straight losses) is a tall order, so nobody’s making any BCS reservations just yet.

I can’t even begin to describe how fun of a weekend I had in T Town even though my heart was broken at the end of the game. LSU fans were loud all weekend, but very respectful. I went down with some friends from Minnesota, and they were suprised to see how easy going and good natured both teams fans were and that every one is able to have a good time with little trouble. Apparently, its not the case in other conferences based on their experiences in the Big Ten

The game does give me some hope that Bama is DEFINETLEY in the right direction and that we will be in LSU’s position in a few short years. IMO, Alabama is more disciplined and better coached than LSU, and once we get the more talent, we’ll be on top again.

Also, is Gameday headed to Ann Arbor this weekend to start the countdown for another GAME OF THE MILLENIUM between Ohio State and Michigan in two weeks?

The Georgia secondary has cover skills similar to those of the orange-clad reptiles’. Fortunately, two of these last three games are against teams with adequate and totally fucking inept passing games, respectively. Unfortunately, the other one is against the best QB this side of the Mississippi.

haybeav,

I would characterize the LSU fans a bit differently, but I concur that Bama is better coached, or at least it was Saturday.

Miles is out of control with his play calling and fancy foolery and his boys are undisciplined. I know they’re #2 and best in the SEC and all, but I smell trouble brewin in RedStickistan.

Callahan: “No, don’t worry, I’ll show myself out.”

7 – How sweet would it be if D-Mac put up like 250 against LSU and Arkansas won? The only thing this college football season has been missing is the batshit crazy antics of Houston Nutt.

LSU fans are showing alot of hate, but they are delusional to think they wouldn’t welcome Saban back with open arms if he decided to come back to LSU if Miles left (or even if Miles stayed).

For the last time with people bring up the bank shit, he took a pay cut leaving the Dolphins coming to Alabama. He left LSU because he wanted to try coaching pro football. He came to Alabama because that was the best opening last year. I’m sure if LSU was open last year as well, he would have gone back there.

Now, get the fuck over it. Saban is a better coach than Miles, period. If you couldn’t see that from the game, you’re blind, deaf, dumb, retarded, and probably an Auburn fan, but I repeat myself.

Which happens first? Callahan getting fired or catching a tire iron with his kneecap from some rabid fan?

10 – Steve, I’m glad you can share your anger with the group so easily. You’re making progress.

Is Hawaii the “Greatest Offense in the World?” Or are they looking for that breakout game to put them on the map?

If they are either, then I apologize for thinking all this time that those two posers were Oklahoma State and Boise State.

Hawaii concerns me little. Very little, since I’m pretty sure that the Broncos gonna beat em.

And. . . Dawgs got a lot of work to do to get to the Sugar Bowl. Not to mention Tennessee has to win out.

For the last time with people bring up the bank shit, he took a pay cut leaving the Dolphins coming to Alabama.

Getting paid $4M in T-town is like getting paid AT LEAST $10M in Miami.

Mother of All Epic Rants Dept:

Orson & Stranko: Did you guys read Blue Gray Sky’s (Jay) epic rant regarding Charlie Weis’ major coaching malfunction against Navy this past Sat or Sun morning?

BGS took it off after they cooled down, but, that epic beat-down on Weis should be a finalist for the rant of the year award , if there is such a thing.

(If anyone was able to make a copy of it, before it was taken away, please post.)

1. — You are correct. Hawaii will lose to Boise State. They will be hard-pressed to beat Nevada!

Tony Barnhardt also called North Carolina the fifth best tailgating atmosphere in college football.

Methinks he is a moron.

Tony Barnhardt also said said ND was chock full ‘o sexy coeds. Not really, but he coulda’.

Brian: He probably was at the ND-MBA tailgate party, with parquet dance floor, Ty W poetry, worm and line dancing blah, blah, blah….

#15:
http://mgoblog.blogspot.com/2007/11/nothing-goes-away-on-internet.html

SKLM, Brian re-posted the BGS rant over at Mgoblog. It is masterful.

#15

MGoblog has it. It’s not as eloquent as Orson’s scream of primal obscenities after the Georgia game, or as colorful as a week of kittens, but still quite entertaining.

SKLM, the ND rant was preserved and is posted by Brian at Mgoblog.

Doh, I was too slow.

Anyway, that would be cool if GameDay came to Ann Arbor. Because, think about it… since Michigan has no mascot, what the hell would Corso put on his head?

Oh yeah, that ugly-ass nut thing.

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I am an LSU fan and I would NOT take back “the midget” under any circumstances. He is a good coach, but to say he is better than miles is crazy talk. Miles has done more with Saban’s players than Saban did, sans a championship – which will be captured this year.

Remember, in Saban’s head coaching career, he has never been undefeated nor has he had more than TWO seasons with less than 3 losses! Miles is about to do that THREE times in his first 3 years at LSU.

I will GLADLY take the HAT.

As a Dawg fan, I do not want to face Hawaii for two reasons:

1) see 2005 Sugar Bowl against disrespected team from Big East

2) no props if you beat them, unless you beat them with Mangino scoring

I’d rather have UT drop one, win against AU & UK and represent the East in the SECCG. Sure, the odds aren’t great against LSU, but LSU was supposedly the better team in ’05 when UGA beat ’em.

SEC question: The media is saying that no SEC East team has made the Championship game with 2 SEC losses. Isn’t this inaccurate? UGA went in ’05 with losses to Florida and Auburn. Is it SEC East division losses to which they are referring?

Tuscaloosa is going to need a valium the size of a 747 a few days after Miles takes the Michigan job at the beginning of the year.

Random Thoughts:

1. Tony Barnhardt must be a UGA grad. Why else would he say keep Gailey?
2. Tailgating at UNC??? Where – in Carrboro?
3. Tom Osborne has hired Tonya Harding to handle Callahan.

Furthermore #10 -

What specifically did coaching do wrong for LSU? It looked like alot of stupid penalties by Saban’s players, overcome by excellent play calling by Miles and Crowton.

While we are at it, how in the WORLD did Alabama onlt get called for 2 penalties? There were more holds on our D-line than I have seen all year. I think it was 15 penalties for LSU and 2 for Bama.

FYI, UCLA’s offensive line is none other than Bob Connelly, former Alabama OL coach for Mike Shula, and the man primarily responsible for shortening Brodie Croyle’s life by 5 yrs.

DC Trojan:

Thanks a million. I am going over there right now. I saw the whole game and actually felt bad for the ND players, especially for Zibby and other fifth year seniors who played as hard as they could, but were let down by their genius of a coach, full of spittle, snot and arrogance bordering on …ah screw it, I am out of material.

 Great win for Navy.

1. - As someone who lives in LA and is not an LSU fan, you are correct. Some try to bring up some stupid point to dispute it (see #24).

“Miles has done more with Saban’s players than Saban did, sans a championship "

Isn’t a championship all that matters? And actually he hasn’t. There is no way last year’s team should have lost two games.

T-town was rockin’, but the loss was too much to bear. Miles’ luck will run out. Insane talent alone will not continue to win games…..

I am worried about Alabama next week. We may get Croooooommmmmed.

tony the tiger, let us not forget he has yet to lose to an unranked team and with the exception of the post-katrina and rita tennessee game(that really F’ed up everything for LSU from a preperation stand point) he hasn’t lost a home game at LSU. But i guess having a national championship team lose to an unranked UF squad (with a first time starting true freshman QB at the helm) at home is better than losing to a ranked kentucky squad in triple OT on the road. And for any moron who thinks LSU didn’t have that much talent when saban first got to baton rouge, check how many players from that 2000 squad made the NFL, then explain to me how we lose to UAB for homecoming.

Hate to interrupt the Miles/Saban bashing, but Kansas just scored again.

Hey, Croom’s a good coach and his team is vastly underrated.

— Auburn

#30, please. Saban would have lost a home game last year to some chump ass squad like alabama.

@ Hook ’em Tide.

Regarding assertion two: not much gets Sly Croom excited, but playing Bama does. I hope Saban gets his first Crooming and feels the wrath of the Bama fanbase.

Also, the lone elderly Bama fan in my Rotary Club stood up and made a comment regarding Bama needing a new coach. Wow.

1. - here’s an interesting Statistic…

Here’s the breakdown per SEC team of total team penalties versus total opponent penalties:

UA 46-373 77-658
Ark 49-475 54-422
AU 65-515 73-574
UF 69-526 56-419
UGA 59-457 58-466
UK 51-473 54-440
LSU 83-639 37-272
MSU 52-449 68-564
OM 63-455 68-554
SCar 59-456 66-557
Tenn 52-429 59-452
VU 44-344 56-413

LSU is most penalized team whose opponent is the lest penalized, while Bama is just the opposite. Most other teams are fairly close in penalties vs opponent penalties.

Yes, 4th and inches, QB sneak will obviously convert, and geniuses Miles and Crowton get fancy? On the road, against an overmatched D-line? In a tie game midway through the 4th quarter? That’s good coaching?

Oh yeah, and then turning around and punting to Javier Arenas moments later. Yes, great coaching indeed. If that game wasn’t proof positive that Miles is a bumbling fucktard, I don’t know what is.

Absolute raw talent won that game for LSU, in spite of shitty coaching. But still, hats off to LSU. Those kids are good

#31

I guess Pete Caroll must be a complete fucking retard then. NOBODY has more talent than USC, PERIOD. Yet they lost to Stanford at home and to Oregon on the road. They only have 1 national title with the best talent in the last 5 years. Texas probably has the second best talent in the land, and look what they are doing with it.

Miles, from a win-loss perspective, is doing better than the midget ever did at LSU. And as you gumps now know, winning is part of the “process.” Championships will follow wins. Wins will follow playing good football. And we will will it all this year, FACT.

1. -

Goal line sneak? They never got the play off because the players did not execute the play. This “fancy” play calling is what Saban himself did. This is big boy football, the players have to execute the plays, no matter how “fancy” or “complex” they may be.
Where do you expect to punt the ball – out of bounds on the 30? LSU was backed up near the goal line, not many options there. Plus, nobody has returned a punt on us all year.

Is this all you got? 2 plays?

39, Tony the Tigress: There you go again…..USC has two MNC titles. The one shared with LSU was the year USC got screwed by the bs-BCS. Both the Coaches and writer’s polls had USC Number ONE, but the !#!$ computers pushed USC down to No. 3. It was a big fiasco, if you remember, which caused changes to the broken system the following year. Wish there was a playoff, so that USC would have more of a chance to whack your over-rated LSU or other mickey mouse overhyped SEC team.

Rival,

Since the 12-team conference was created three SEC East champs have had two conference losses. Florida in ’92 and Georgia in 2003 and 2005.

Also, it appears Fran is out at A&M. Unfortunate, really. I wanted Tubs to stick around a few years. Reap the whirlwind Tubby! REAP IT!

Um Stacy,

Since that time USC hasn’t had a chance to thump an SEC team and has lost one out of two championship games, with the “greatest team in history” no less.

Tony,

I’m sure I could find more than 2 plays. Those just stick out in my mind. Honestly, if those 2 plays, crucial as they were at the time, don’t scare the shit out of you, you don’t know shit about football, or are being completely disingenuous.

All they had to do was qb sneak to get the first, but had multiple movement to draw bama offsides. Sure, it almost worked. But do you want to risk “almost worked” in that situation, when a qb sneak all but guarantees the first down?If you don’t s ee how fucking risky that is, I can’t help you.

As far as punting to Javy, yes, angle the kick, pooch it, whatever you have to do to keep it out of his hands. Or maybe sky it and shoot for a fair catch. If there was one thing that your punter should not have done, it was outkick his coverage to a return man like Javy. But that’s exactly what he did. Sure, Miles couldn’t kick it for him, but there’s no way that should have happened at that point in the game.

And it wasn’t just then. You kicked to him the whole game. Again, just two plays, but two huge plays, on the road, in the 4th quarter, in a tie game, with a possible BCS champ game on the line. It was absolute lunacy.

Stacy -

The only game that counts is the BCS game. USC has one.

Ask Auburn.

Biggus Rickus: Let’s both you and I hope that USCw and somesort of SEC team meet in any bowl this season. Who cares if it is a tidy bowl type. USCw has smacked Auburn and Arky like a red-headed stepchild during the Carroll era, remember those games genius?

Tony the Tigress: If your LSU gets screwed out of the bs-BCS title game this year (IT COULD HAPPEN) and the AP ends up giving your tigresses the award if they win the bowl game, would you refuse the AP Title? Do not be a dumb-ass.

Heard on the radio that Fran has been offered a $2-million buyout — two million just to walk away and never come back — and he’s holding out for more, despite the fact that TAMU apparently has him on three separate breaches of contract and is fully prepared to give him nothing if he presses the issue.

You gotta love the guy. EXCELSIOR!

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Unfortunately, USC has whupped one of us – twice. UPig in 2005 & 2006. I think McFadden was hurt before both games, howver. But does not explain the 50-14 or so thumpins Nutt received.

Stacy,

Oh, I’m sorry, I thought we were talking about title contenders and bowl games. Auburn and Arkansas were season opening games and neither team lost fewer than four games those years.

Just look at USC this year as proof that “all that talent” will not get you alot of wins. who has more 4 and 5 star players than SC? they lost to a 41 point underdog at home for christ’s sake. has miles done that? hell no, he hasn’t even been close to pulling off some bullshit like that. So maybe pete carroll isn’t that great of a coach.

Stacy, you might want to be happy with one title since it looks like USC may lose all of them ex post facto.

Tater man -

Yes we did kick to him and it only bit us in the ass once – so it was the right call. Maybe with all this “talent” Miles has “inherited,” he believed we would shut your man down.

But when you kick from your own 15 yard line, there are not many options other than kicking to your return man. To make sure it went out of bounds, you would risk kicking it out in bama territory. Of course, that would have been better than the result, but our special teams has not given up a td all year – and not even almighty Saban can see the future. Maybe we should have respected your man a bit more, but I think unless you are at mid field, there is no way you give bama the ball on the 30-40 yard line. All-in-all, everything worked out at the end for Miles. I have questioned some of his play calling before, but nothing in this game gave me pause other than the 15-2 penalty swing and the interceptions – which better be corrected soon.

Unhappy Monkey: USC lose its titles? How can the NCAA prove that USC knew about the “loans” to Reggie Bush and his gangster step-father and rest of family? That nut is too tough to crack. Plus, USC is USC, the glamour program of the college football world. (Said in jest, in case some of you geniuses cannot get the humor.)

Jesus and the weeping baby orphans, can we PLEASE not start in on the split National Championship again before I have to read about how the AP Nat’l Championship was illegal under the Napoleonic Code again.

The ’05 USC team was in no way the greatest team in the universe evar because the defense sucked. Even at the time that was fairly obvious, unless of course you were trying to get people to watch Sports Center so that they could throw things at the screen and get like howling Rhesus monkey.

As for Tony the Tiger’s comment about coaching versus talent, there’s something to be said for it. I know a lot of people don’t like intangibles but the 04 season team for USC had “it,” whatever it was, that set them up for a championship run, and “it” doesn’t have to involve domination in every game.

I look at LSU this year, and they are the team that seems to have that “X” factor this season. People get this crazy ass idea that you have to be an undefeated points machine to be in the MNC game, but sometimes being crazy enough to win -even when you maybe shouldn’t have – is sufficient.

The relentless pursuit of perfection is fine for Lexus and the NFL, two high quality snoozefests. I’d rather see some mayhem and hate, and LSU has that by the metric tonne.

God Bama fans crack me up. Mondays like today would be terrible without the laughs. How do you Aubies live with them?

Tony,

I’ll digress somewhat on the punt. I still think it was stupid, but of course that has a lot to do with the result. I just thought it would have been smarter to at least attempt to neutralize him. He had been gaining yards on kicks the whole game. He took the opening kick and gave Bama great field position. LSU’s D was playing solid. At the time I was praying that they kick it to Javy, because I thought he had a better chance to do damage than our offense. But, hindsight is 20/20.

Of course, big plays were everywhere that game. JP only completed 14 passes, but threw for 3 TDs. Go figure

Another vote for You Should Go Check Out The BGS Rant over on Mgoblog. It’s worth your while and makes a good point.

Josh,

Good game. Said it on an earlier thread. I was very impressed with the Tigers. Statistically, bama was manhandled. LSU penalties, our senior WRs, and our DBs were what kept us in the game. And for what it’s worth, besides a few plays, I thought JP played with a lot of guts. He was on the run most of the night

Forgot to give an honorable mention to Wallace Gilberry. That guy’s got a motor

If you link to the comments on the post that he changed it to, the Notre Dame faithful are Halle Berry crazy.

“The guy who hit the nail on the head (I just looked for it again, but couldn’t find it) also said something about Charlie (again, thinking – for whatever reason – that our kicker could not make the kick) wanting to put the pressure on himself (i.e. his play-calling) rather then put the “blame” on the kicker for missing a kick that Charlie thought he could never make in the first place.

I am not necessarily drinking the kool-aid. Just offering a different perspective if you are willing to consider Charlie’s state-of-mind at the moment he opted for going for it on 4th down, rather than attempt the kick. And no, I am not an attorney."

So, Weis didn’t want the blame to fall on his kicker. Go to EDSBS cliche C:
Wow, just wow.

DC, great assessment. winning is winning. it may not be pretty, but getting the job done is what matters most.

Franchione is gone at Texas A&M. Will Tuberville go there?

DC, well put.

Tater, good point re Wilson. Kid has made a habit out of taking hits and keep on keepin on.

Gosh Miles did more with Saban’s players is right. Too bad Saban was not around long enough to have his #1 and #2 recruiting class become juniors and seniors like the current guy.

Miles is a good coach, Saban is a good coach. I don’t think Miles bolts this year for Michigan either (and actually think Michigan may not be that interested in him if Carr does retire). It is going to be fun the next couple of seasons and this is probably the widest the talent gap between the two teams will ever be.

How do I start a coach head hunter firm? Sounds like easy pickins.

Jake Plummerj Wilson is good for at least one back-breaking turnover a game. 15 fumbles in 21 career starts.

JPW gets hit so damn much because he has a terrible habit of holding the ball too long.

If A&M provides the money, and they will, you have to wonder why Tubs would not be interested in at least considering the position.

I would rather play in the Big 12 South than the SEC West, I would rather compete with Mack than Saban as the king of the state, and I would rather compete for the Big 12 title than the SEC title, overall, as it would be easier, with a pay increase to boot.

Auburn to A&M is a lateral move. And, Tubs would be able to stick it to Bobby Lowder one last time.

The only thing to remember about 2003 is that LSU played a conference runner-up for the BCS title…in my book that is bullshit. K-State rolled OU before the BCS title game and USC and LSU should have played for the BCS title…and that year, USC kills LSU. LSU got a late interception for a touchdown to beat OU…USC would have done to LSU what they did to OU 55-19.

DC Trojan – great analysis. I was hoping to be able to see USCw-LSU in New Orleans in January finally put it all to bed. It’s past time to put the 2003 slight to bed.

Saban or Miles ? Unless Miles leaves for Meeshegan, I think I’d rather have the Hat. With the current Bama coach, you always seem to be looking over your shoulder to see if he is attracting attention for another run at the Sunday Game.

Dodds at CBS says Fran is now mythology. Maybe he could be the new coach at Nebraska.

I agree that LSU’s talent has won MANY games over the last few years in SPITE of Miles’ dumbfuckery.

With equal talent, Miles would have lost to Saban. But the fact that Bama was in that game was more due to Miles’ stupidity than Saban’s brilliance. I only wish Miles had made so many mistakes against Auburn.

Trojan, Tater(?), Joshua, Tiger

What’s with the lovefest? A thoughfful discussion with reasonable arguments and conclusions?!?! Is it the lack of alcohol, the sobriety inducinng chill of November Monday?

Where’s the hate, the venom, the incoherent ranting?

I wonder what the LSU-UA score would have been if they had played in Baton Rouge?

1. - How do you know that? How do you know that LSU wouldn’t have defeated USC? The Oklahoma team from ’03 and ’04 were two different squads, so how do you know that LSU would have lost to USC?

You don’t know, you merely are biased against the SEC.

I guess Ohio State is a better team than LSU this year because Ohio State beat LSU in 1984 or 1985, too, right?

You don’t know shit because you can’t prove something along those lines, and you know it.

1. - I wonder what the Auburn-LSU scored would have been had they played in Auburn.

The relevance of your question is….?

I wonder what the score of LSU-UA game would have been if they played on the moon.

the same lsu fans who are telling you how great miles is now, will be telling you that its “not really a big deal” if/when he leaves for michigan…b/c they always thought he was a average/shitty/lucky coach.

#58, so I take it your a fan of the fine vehicles from our friends at Jaguar?

The relevance must be beyond your comprehension.

83:

Or you are attempting to make a bullshit point via innuendo. I can only assume you are referencing officiating. If so, you need look no further than 2 key questionable replay reversals. Not saying they were wrong, but if there was bias, I think it would have resulted in confirmation of the rulings on the field.

And for the record, I don’t hate all things LSU. I have some friends from LA that went to Bama with me. Their friends came up for the game, were great, and are welcome back anytime. So were the majority of LSU fans I encountered. I had this discussion Fri night with some LSU folks, and believe it or not, they’re usually my favorite visiting fans (in conference) of any team that travels well.

Don’t get me wrong, LSU had some real assholes that made the trip, but by and large, it was a good group, at least from my point of view

OK, Let me help you with the relevance. Multiple choice.
 A. I would rather play games at home
 B. I would rather play games away
 C. I really don’t know ( I really do but don’t want to admit LSU would have kicked our ass even more than they did).

Gerry,

You’re probably right. The Miles defendors in this thread make excellent points and I certainly think that Saban’s relative superiority is greatly exagerated (thought not completely non-existant, on balance), but if he fails to win the MNC life won’t be easy for him in Baton Rouge.

The enthusiasm respecting the Hat is very restrained in Ann Arbor (they don’t have white hats in Michigan, do they?) and is likely to stay that way unless he wins the aforesaid MNC. In the even he does, however, he would be almost as foolish as he was on that 4th and inches (one truly idiotic call) to leave LSU where he would have a very long leash and which is likely to pay up than go to Ann Arbor where his gambling style might wear lees well over time and where the recruiting is likely to be more of challange.

1. Herb, Jaguars are all right, but I was thinking more along the lines of a Maserati Quatrroporte. Jaguars don’t break down enough any more to be interesting.

I wonder what the score of Boston Red Sox-Sacred Heart would be if they played on the head of a pin.

Sorry, I just think this is a really fun direction we’re going in here.

“The relentless pursuit of perfection is fine for Lexus and the NFL, two high quality snoozefests. I’d rather see some mayhem and hate, and LSU has that by the metric tonne”

Indeed. Saw a Falcons game this weekend. Booooring.

“God Bama fans crack me up. Mondays like today would be terrible without the laughs. How do you Aubies live with them?”

In mutual hatred.

“Auburn to A&M is a lateral move. "

Pffft. The bar at TA&M is 8 games. The bar at Auburn is MNC. You go to TA&M from Auburn if you’re ready to take it easy and give up on being a champion.

Trojan,

Consider BMW. Our Bavarian friends have had myriad difficulties in recent years.

1. - Marcillac, if I hadn’t just bid farewell to a 96 Audi with only 74K on it that needed an engine rebuild, maybe. (I don’t have the capacity to remanufacture a car that Southern Papa does, and I’m okay with that.)

Understood, Trojan.

1. - I understood what you were implying, which is why I asked about the outcome of the Auburn-LSU game had Auburn been the home team.

In other words, if ifs and buts were candy and nuts, every day would be Christmas.

Had the LSU-Auburn game been played at Jordan-Hare, it is possible that Auburn would have won, just as it is possible that if the LSU-Alabama game had been played in BR, LSU would have won by a larger margin.

However, the games were played where they were, and such is life.

Your point was stupid, and I am dumber for having responded.

What a great rant done by Jay at Blue Grey Sky.

I especially like “You stupid goddam idiot. I’m talking to you, shithead”. Within the context of a well argued rant from a thoughtfull, but angry fan. Jay you deserve to be angry. You should not feel ashamed of that rant in any way and damn sure didnt need to pull the post, out of ( I presume) embarrasment.

And Trojan,

Why do I get the feeling that your offense is about to get healthy and click just in time to slaughter my newly hapless Golden Bears (much as they were at the time of my matriculation)?

1. So your answer would be C?

Can we replace Croomed with 541’d in the dictionary?

What if the moon that LSU and Bama played on was made of barbequed spare ribs? Would they eat it? I know I would. I’d polish it off with a tall, cool Budweiser.

Hey!!!

Did anyone else here that Gameday will be at a DIII game? Wow, I guess the boys took Dan Hawkins’ advice. That is intranurals, brother.

Did anyone else here that Gameday will be at a DIII game? Wow, I guess the boys took Dan Hawkins’ advice. That is intramurals, brother.

It would be hard to play a game on the moon since because of the number of dimensions there. They have five.

Thousand.

And if you only perceive two then it sounds like a personal problem to me.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for the Bulldogs playing in the Sugar Bowl after the way we started, but whoever wrote the comment about the us winning out was WAAAAAAY the fuck too cavalier for me. Way to assume the close, son, but I don’t think you’ve been watching us play this year.

Josh-

Not to metion who would get TV rights to such a game? Also, I would imagine a trip to the moon might be an extra benefit.

Although you bring up a good point re the spare ribs. I sometimes wonder, if I were a hotdog, would I eat myself? Cover myself in mustard, I’d be delicious! Or, would Michael Jordan play basketball with pygmies, just so he could dunk on ’em?

Seems like the Bro’s from up yonder don’t want to talk about strength of schedule! Excuse me , would you pass the cupcakes.

Plus, the Moon has one-third less gravity than your tuscaloosa. I don’t know if you gumps can understand that, but our vertical leap is beyond all measurement.

“Dr.” Ed:

Take a look at most strength of schedule calculations: tOSU comes off just fine, thanks. No way the Tigers loss to KY (Jelly) can be written off as just another example of SEC excellence. South Carolina sums it up: win some good games, lose some ugly ones. Just like every other conference.

Gosh, it sure is fun to rattle the cages . 1 question and I’ve got people thinking of eating themselves on the moon. Reminds me of the late 60’s, mushrooms and such. Damn pygmies can shoot those 3 pointers. What’s gonna’ happen if Michael fouls out? I’ll be back……

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“The bar at AU is MNC.”

Whew! That’s a goodie!

Has anyone ever cleared that bar? When will you be firing Tubs?

Sherlock, 41-14

Wow Ed, that’s why I put the “DR” in quotes. If that’s what passes for intelligent debate, I’ll stay away from your clinic or university.

I thought that was fact.

A fact that proves exactly what about this year?

It’s deja vu all over again.

OK, Sherlock, let me hit you with some knowledge.

According to CBS SOS, tOSU has the 46th hardest SOS so far this year. Using the AP rankings, that’s the 14th hardest schedule out of the Top 25. That is light years away from the other top 3 (ORE at 2 SOS and LSU at 9 SOS). Other then being undefeated playing vastly inferior opponents (relative term), what on tOSU’s resume makes them a more deserving pick over ORE who lost to Cal by 7 and LSU who lost to KY by 6?

tOSU finishes with a Michigan team that lost to a 1AA school, the Fighting [NAME REDACTED]ers, and no championship game.

So if that’s your idea of “coming off just fine” then so be it, but don’t expect a ton of respect until your beloved Buckeyes play and beat some good competition. That cannot happen before the MNC.

“Tailgating at UNC??? Where – in Carrboro?”

Everyone in Carrboro thinks football is too “establishment” for them to pay attention.

Irwin, I think Sherlock has left the building. USA Today had the Buckeyes SOS in the 60’s, I believe.

I’ve been laughing for the past 10 minutes at “the bar at AU is MNC.”

AU has won half a title and that was in 1957 while on probation.

I thought the bar was to finish in the top 10 and beat Alabama at least half the time and then go on probation? Oh, and fuck up Georgia’s seasons when they aren’t fucking yours up.

Who in the hell are you to talk about probation.

The Buckeyes will keep winning just to piss everyone off. Its funny how when we play the toughest schedule we get blasted and when we don’t we get blasted. When Washington was scheduled they were Pac10 Champs, now they’re chumps. They were a test for USCw though, only losing by 3. Oh well. Next two years we have USCw. LA in ‘08, Columbus in ’09. We would invite y’all up to Columbus, but you guys never leave Dixie. See ya in NOLA I guess. We’ll just play whoever shows up. Maybe we’ll get a BCS game in Cleveland or Cincinnati in January some day and we’ll see how you do away from home in cold weather.

Um, I think I’m a person with a reasonably functional brain, which allows me to form thoughts and express them in both written and spoken form. Yes, that sounds about right. Auburn, in case you were unaware, has been on probation more than any program in SEC history (I’m assuming Bama hasn’t caught them yet). It’s happened to Georgia once, on a fairly trivial infraction.

Bama almost got the Death penalty last time , now they have a text book issue. I believe Au & Bama are even in the probation dept. So what’s the point ?

I’m pretty sure Bama is still two or three probations shy of reaching the standard set by Auburn. Not that I really care since I dislike Bama only slightly less than I dislike Auburn.

I logged back on for this weak shit? The strength of schedule is much better than you would know from the sniping that goes on here, and will be even better when all is said and done. “Irwins” own stats confirm that—I guarantee you that those rankings are higher than most of you would have conceded. You can see that reflected in the computers too. No one said our schedule was the toughest, but it is better than some of you witless diehards make it out to be. But you keep living under the delusion that so many SEC teams have so many losses because the conference is so much better than all the others. I guess that’s easier than admitting some of the immortal SEC favorites got waxed by teams that aren’t all that good.

Like Appalachian State?

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How would I know what USC would do to LSU if they played back in 2003? The same way you and all of your SEC brethren know that Ohio State, should they get back to the MNCG and play an SEC team will get crushed. I just lowered myself and used the same logic…see how stupid it sounds.

As to the SOS argument, this year’s schedule is not that great, especially OOC. However, I will argue that Washington was a legit OOC scheduled game. They have the toughest schedule in the country, look it up, look who they have played. We got them when they were 2-0 and just off of a win over now 8-1 BSU.

I will not make excuses for Minnesota, they suck, but Minnesota = Ole Miss. I would like to point out that there are several teams in the SEC filling up on 0-9, 1-8, 2-7 teams, (North Texas, FIU, and everyone else in the sunbelt).

7-2 App State
9-0 North Dakota State

Would beat any of the following SEC OOC teams, hands down:

0-9 FIU
1-7 North Texas
1-8 Louisiana-Lafayette
3-6 Louisiana-Monroe
1-8 Western Carolina
4-6 Tenn Tech
3-6 NW State (lost to Ole Miss 31-38)

So yeah, Michigan and Minnesota lost to 2 Div 1-AA teams, but those 2 teams would easily beat any of the teams listed above, why, because they know how to win and they are obviously very well coached. No need to have 85 scholarship players if you’ve got a solid, well coached 2 deep roster and have things bounce your way.

Remaining opponents:

Ohio State: 22-7 (added wisky to give tosu 3 games for comparison)
Wisconsin 7-2, Illinois 7-3, Michigan 8-2

LSU: 12-16*
La Tech 4-5, Ole Miss 2-8, and Arkansas 6-3

Oregon: 14-14
Arizona 4-6, UCLA 5-4, and OSU 5-4

*Kansas: 15-13
OSU 5-4, ISU 2-8, and MU 8-1

*OU: 15-14
Baylor 3-7, Texas Tech 7-3, and OSU 5-4

Have a championship game.
*Had a bye week before biggest game of the year.

If you wanted to add LSU’s conference championship game opponent, with current record (probably tenn at 7-3) and look at a last four games of the season comparison for the two it would be a wash with Penn State being 7-3 as well.

Ohio State last four opponents: 29-10
LSU last 3 plus CCG opponent: 19-19

Of course, LSU’s previous schedule has been much, much harder than Ohio State’s, hence the 1 loss.

I agree Washington was a good OOC game for Ohio State. And Ohio State is the best at scheduling out of conference games, and Jim Tressel is probably the best coach in college football.

but uh your point is that 2 1-AA teams would beat the dregs of both 1-A and 1-AA means what exactly? The Big Ten got to feast on Notre Dame, Syracuse, Iowa State (whoops lost that one), Northern Illinois, UNLV (thankfully they scraped by), the Citadel, Florida International, and the cannibalistic MAC conference (or the Sun Belt of the North).
The SEC may not have killed every BCS conference for they have faced, but they do not have embarrassing losses like the other conferences have to “cupcakes” on their schedule.

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I would consider 7-3 Penn State and 7-3 Wisconsin, both teams who beat SEC teams they were underdogs to last year in the bowl season, “good competition.” Wisconsin was 12-1 in 2006; Penn State was 12-1 in 2005, both with their only losses to Big Ten teams, ironically both to Michigan, a team we have owned lately.

I don’t know what kind of value you place on playing in front of 110K maniacs at night, but in terms of being in a hostile environment and dealing with extreme crowd noise, you would be hard pressed to find a whole lot of places tougher. Especially with that damn PA system and the craziest student section in the country. Did I mention flying beer cans?

Sure we’ll take our hit on Akron, Kent State, and Youngstown State. That is not a normal year of scheduling for Ohio State, we all know that. As I have mentioned before, I don’t see anyone else stepping up and putting together a future hone and home schedule like Ohio State.

2008/2009 USC, 10/11Miami, 12/13 VT, 14/15 Cal, and 16/17 OU.

So knock Ohio State all you want for this year’s schedule…it is a rebuilding season by the way. 2008/2009 are the real target years with Terelle Pryor and the 4 stud OL coming in this year.

If Missouri wins out-by beating a Kansas team that is undefeated at the time and then beating Oklahoma in conference championship. Does anyone think they have a chance at jumping to #2. They would have beaten the #3 and #4 team in the BCS. They scheduled two BCS conference opponents, a 1-AA team, and a crappy MAC team….TOSU has shown us the end game results of the other contenders ahead of Missouri. Missouri definitely finishes stronger. If they win out, with some convincing wins over Kansas and Oklahoma-and LSU/Oregon struggle in one or two games. ….

I think we can agree on one thing…the 12 game schedule sucks. It shows in the ticket sales for the crap OOC games and does nothing about give us stones to throw at each other.

Drop the extra game, have the Big Ten start and end it’s season on the same weekend as the SEC and the Big 12 or at least just 1 week earlier, and every BCS big boy schedule at least 1 OOC home and home series and travel outside of your region.

Would you guys love to see Florida play in the Big House or the Shoe, or Michigan/Penn State/Wisconsin at LSU at night?

I think it would be so much better for college football as a whole. I hate these crap OOC games. I’m so glad Ohio State stepped up and put together the OOC schedule they did from now until 2016.

Haven’t really thought about that, but you’re right, Mizzu, if they win out could really be in the mix. It would be interesting to see how the computers rank them. Their loss is not as bad as LSU’s.

I think it could really get crazy with all the 1 loss teams trying to get it.

What would be even crazier is if Ohio State loses. [go away bad dream, go away]…

Marcillac @ 95: don’t let traditional Cal pessimism get the better of you, that SC offense doesn’t seem to click for more than 2 quarters at the moment. However, if I was Nate Longshore I’d be working on my “running like hell for the sidelines” moves – SC’s defense seems to have started putting together complete games.

Trojan,

The D’s the thing.
 
I’m the very epitamy of optimism when it comes to Cal football. Indeed, I was confident that somehow the Bears would become good, this back in the early and mid 90s with no sane reason for such optimist, mind. Naturally I’ve enjoyed our recent success but we are, as I’m sure you’ve noticed having a bad run of form at the moment …err…month.

You’re correct of course that Longshore’s not likely to be doing a Vince Young or Tebow immitation any time soon but he’s been quite deficient in the basic drop back thing lately as well.

The outcome is a foregone conclusion and my query respecting your offense was made out of pure curiosity as to disastrous dimensions of the final score.

Damn. LSU freek makes Ryan Adams look like a shiftless layabout.

Can someone help that guy formerly known as tOSU get a girlfriend?

As for Auburn’s bar being MNC – y’all know what I’m saying. That’s what the program is aiming for, it’s what the fans are anticipating and we’re just a bit of luck away from it. Sort of like Florida last year. Win the SEC with no more than one loss and the MNC game is within probability.

Tubs has the program at that level, despite our rough start this year. Next year we break in a new QB, but the year after, if Burns works out, could be our year.

(Next year is Georgia’s chance to shine – they’re going to be something special I think with Moreno and Stafford and another year for their OL to gel.)

If Tubs goes to TA&M, he has to start over and it might be years before the program would be thought worthy of a top 10 ranking.

It’s happened to Georgia once, on a fairly trivial infraction.

Georgia’s football been cited by the NCAA for major violations 4 times, Auburn 5.

https://goomer.ncaa.org/wdbctx/LSDBi/LSDBi.MajorInfPackage.MI_Search_Input?p_Cmd=Go_Search

“Georgia’s football TEAM HAS…”

Fair enough, though Georgia lost a few scholarships three times. Auburn was denied TV and bowl games four of their five probation periods.

You’re right, but notice that the NCAA doesn’t give any details about the late 50’s probations for Auburn. I ’ve heard stories (about those probations being BS), but all from pro-AU sources (a Shug Jordan bio mostly).

It is good to see that we’ve stayed out of trouble since ’93, though.

(holds breath for another decade)

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Get the Big and Slow 10 to add another team and a conference title game, and we have a deal.

#137
Georgia should surely be an improved team next season, but our schedule is absolutely brutal.

AT Arizona State, SCar, LSU, UK, AU and Florida in Jacksonville. Hosting a better Alabama team. Nonstop stretch of Tennessee – [vandy] – LSU – Florida – Kentucky – Auburn.

Should set up exactly like the scenario from Wages of Fear / Sorcerer. That schedule is sweating nitroglycerin.

I’d like to personally thank tOSU for completely fucking up the psyche of the UW Huskies. Of course, I’m kidding. After tOSU beat the living hell out of Team Seattle, they pretty much shit the bed against everyone they’ve played for the rest of the year…not too sure how much Ty has to do with that, but I’m sure you Domers could help me out. You see, my Weak Ass Conference (WAC) team’s record is now 8-1. And that “1” looks like a flaming bag of dog poo since it was to a UW team playing their asses off for the first two weeks of the season, and has since lost every game. Again, thank you tOSU. You helped punch our ticket to the Roady’s Humanitarian Bowl. THE LATERAL!!!