CURIOUS INDEX, 10/31/07
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Matt Ryan is a very excitable young man, as evidenced by post-winning-TD spewing live on television in the Virginia Tech game last week. Craig James call really made the moment, though, uttered a few seconds earlier. “Oh, yeah, he’s givin’ it up.” Arizona State QB Rudy Carpenter did not throw passes in practice yesterday due to a sprained thumb. Carpenter injured the thumb on a strange botched play during ASU’s game against Cal this past Saturday. Turning to hand off to the running back, Carpenter slammed into the back and jammed the thumb, bending over with pain the instant it happened. Erickson says that if Carpenter can’t start against Oregon, sophomore Danny Sullivan will play. USF not only has sprouted a successful football program and convinced the all-important singlet-wearing demographic of the hotness of USF football, they’re running at a profit after a mere decade in existence. You’re just winning with Saban’s players! Except for the ones who score points! If it was true last year, it’s certainly not true this year. From The Advocate, which is a newspaper in Louisiana, and not the gay magazine. (NTTAWWT.) LSU’s success this season is a statistical mixture. Of the 294 points the Tigers have scored, 240 came from players who signed or walked on with LSU after Saban left. Meanwhile, there’s not a single player on Alabama’s roster who Nick Saban signed! Not one! Oh yeah, where’s the real scandal now, huh? HUH? Misery makes great quotes. Joe Ganz will start for the Nebraska Cornhuskers now that Sam Keller is out for the year with an injury, something he thinks is awesome! Uh, I mean… Asked how it felt to get his first start, he was almost giddy. “It’s awesome,” he said. He quickly corrected himself. “I mean, it’s bittersweet because you don’t want it to come through an injury,” he said. “You don’t want Sam to get hurt. But that’s the way it happened. I can’t control it. All I can do is be ready for my team and hopefully win these next three games.” Um..yeah. That’s what I meant to say. Huskers wideout Nate Swift has an equally tone-deaf comment on the situation, showing that the athletics budget in media relations was definitely cut to make up for the skyrocketing paper budget needed to cover Callahan’s massive playbook. “Your team is kind of in a shambles, so with Joe going in there, the only way he can go is up, no matter what he does,” receiver Nate Swift said Tuesday. Oh, don’t say that. That’s when the football gods break out the quality lightning bolts, Nate. The ones with some stank on ‘em. (HT: Dave)
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RIPLY:
Auburn’s official athletic site lists average attendances greater than 80000 since 1993. Not good enough? New Mexico State’s box scores records the attendance at Auburn’s second least exciting game this year at 83,012. LSUSports.net records the attendance of the LSU/Auburn game in ‘06 at 87,451. The Big East records the attendance for this year’s late-as-hell South Florida game as 82,617.
Again, comparing JHE to JHW is like comparing an 800 pound gorilla to an 802 pound gorilla. It doesn’t matter. But nice try, though.
Comment by weagle251 — November 1, 2007 @ 11:22 am
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Not saying Jimbo Fisher isn’t a good coach, but he ain’t exactly lighting it up at FSU. LSU is scoring more PPG this year than last year and thats minus 3 first round draft picks.
Comment by Your Mom loves LSU — October 31, 2007 @ 5:15 pm
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Trickett comes from West Virginia, where the Mountaineers have posted back-to-back 11-win seasons. He recruited star quarterback Patrick White to WVU, and was among the key recruiters at Auburn under Terry Bowden from 1993-1998. Fisher, also an Auburn assistant during the Terry Bowden era, went on to coach seven seasons at LSU. He counts LSU quarterback JaMarcus Russell, who will likely be an NFL first-round draft in April, among his prized recruiting catches…thats mad skillz on the recruiting trail bro..
Comment by Mr Pelican Pants — October 31, 2007 @ 4:56 pm
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#42
You dont think Jimbo Fisher or Will Muschamp or Rick Trickett were talented?
Comment by Mr Pelican Pants — October 31, 2007 @ 4:48 pm
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What good are 85,000 seats if only 65,000 of them are occupied?
Comment by RIP Logan Young — October 31, 2007 @ 3:31 pm
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@42: Very well put.
RIPLY: Both Jordan-Hare East and West are larger than many (if not all) NFL stadiums. You’re comparing an Excursion to a Suburban. Big fucking deal. But I hope those little wins mostly help you feel better. Mostly.
Comment by weagle251 — October 31, 2007 @ 3:24 pm
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tony the tiger = most intelligent lsu or bama fan in the room
Comment by gerry dorsey — October 31, 2007 @ 2:44 pm
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As an LSU fan, I can honestly say Nick Saban was the reason our football program was resurrected. He is a PROGRAM BUILDER, and a great recruiter. Nobody knows for sure what he will do long term (since he hasn’t stayed long at any job he has had), but he really only had 2 outstanding years at LSU - 2001 & 2003 - where we won the SEC and National Championship, and only one year with less than 2 losses. Where Saban made up was in facility building, money raising and recruiting - his specialties. He was masterful at deflecting criticism and accepting praise (i.e. players didn’t execute, play for 60 minutes, the process bla bla).
Miles is more of a player’s coach. He comes across as a dumbass on TV sometimes, but he is actually a very smart, genuine coach. The players respect him and the coaches are content. Miles does a very good job at surrounding himself with great coaching talent. I have never seen a more talented group of coordinators and position coaches at LSU in the last 30 years as I do now.
So give the credit to Saban for awakening the sleeping giant. Give Miles the credit for not wrecking the car and improving the program.
Comment by Tony the Tiger — October 31, 2007 @ 2:28 pm
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It would be awesome if he gets nervous and pukes all over the heisman.
Comment by Rook — October 31, 2007 @ 2:15 pm
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LSU was only allowed to rise to prominence because Alabama was on probation.
Comment by NewAZTiger — October 31, 2007 @ 1:38 pm
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Why does Jordan-Hare have 85,000 seats when they obviously only need about 70,000? And what happened to that mural of Terry Bowden outside the stadium?
Comment by RIP Logan Young — October 31, 2007 @ 1:18 pm
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And for whatever reason…Tuberville to Texas A/M, write it down, although I feel AU is a better job and more interesting now more than ever, way above Texas A/M….has anyone ever been to College Station?
Big boots, kinda gay…
Comment by Mr Pelican Pants — October 31, 2007 @ 1:05 pm
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I would like to call this section of the post:
“The Saban Effect”, much like the movie “Butterfly Effect”…….. If a Coach comes into the SEC, and other coaches bail for other jobs, can he claim the credit?
Are they changing jobs for a better deal, or better talent, or “going home”? How many Championships will LSU have left on the field after Saturdays loss?
Comment by Mr Pelican Pants — October 31, 2007 @ 1:03 pm
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Chances are if you don’t win the recruiting wars in Feb. you won’t be winning games in Nov.
Just saying……
Comment by CHARLIE MURPHEY — October 31, 2007 @ 1:02 pm
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I would if it was funny, or even the slightest bit humorous.
Also, I think you need to change your name.
Bobby Lowder’s Hush Money or Bobby Lowder’s Bags of Cash would probably be much more appropriate. Checks are traceable you know.
Comment by Tater Salad — October 31, 2007 @ 12:13 pm
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Tater Salad please revert back to #27. Thank you.
Comment by bobby lowder's checkbook — October 31, 2007 @ 11:53 am
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The 240 out of 294 number is silly. Mr. Dubois clearly didn’t take any Stats in college.
You can’t compare a sum of individual points to a team total because the sum of individual points is greater than the sum of team points because of passing touchdowns.
Not counting Perrilloux (who is as much a Miles recruit as a Saban recruit),
Saban’s recruits have 20 TDs this year
Miles’ recruits have 22
The Miles number includes Sophomores that signed with Saban but didnt’ come to campus until Miles arrived.
The bottom line is that the whole debate is ridiculous… but it’s ridiculous on both sides. People saying that Miles’ success is all because of Saba are idiots. Likewise with the people who try to argue that Saban doesn’t have anything to do with the current success LSU has had.
Comment by Pete — October 31, 2007 @ 11:24 am
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#21, I have highlights of some games at Bryant Denny where there are large swaths of open seats.
They’re called “Iron Bowls”, where only the toughest Alabama fans stay to the end to see AU win again.
Comment by NewAZTiger — October 31, 2007 @ 11:05 am
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Well Saban has an impressive commitment list right now. You’re right that recruiting is a long way from over, and Tubs classes never shape up until late anyway.
Also, remember that AU signed 30 players last year and has a very small senior class. No matter how many stars they have, AU won’t sign the numbers to rank high in recruiting this year.
But you guys can have the recruiting IB every year as long as AU keeps winning on the field.
And MP, I’d rather have the fan base that AU has any day than have the 100,000 gomers that bama will have in BDS.
Comment by TIGERinATL — October 31, 2007 @ 10:43 am
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First of all #5 DiNardo the retardo had 3 winning seasons in his 5 years at LSU
7-4-1
10-2
9-3
4-7
3-8 Fired
I don’t know why people keeping making that statement about LSU’s record before Saban
Now #21 not sure what you’ve been watching but Auburn sold out the Ole Miss game and has had over 82k for every game this year. If your home schedule included SEC games against Miss St., Ole Miss, Vandy, and bama you would have trouble selling season tickets too.
Bama is so proud of their new stadium, and rightfully so. But they went for years and years with a stadium smaller than AU’s and with a horrible playing field. I had stated for many years that I was amazed that a school with that much love for it’s football program played on such a bad surface and played in one of the smaller stadiums in the SEC.
Did Auburn go around for the last 20 years bragging they had the biggest stadium in Alabama?
Comment by Thor — October 31, 2007 @ 9:56 am
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8 out of 11 losing seasons came from Finebaum’s article, I believe.
And Lowder, what the fuck are you talking about? The reason I addressed in state recruiting is because of the argument put forth by Tiger that the major reason for Saban’s success at LSU was his ability to lock down in state talent due to no in state rival. I even qualified it with the fact that there are several months until signing day. Typical booger reading comp.
Be careful what arguments you post on here. Tray Blackmon may use them in his research paper “the relationship between major college football and socioneconomics, whatever that means”
Comment by Tater Salad — October 31, 2007 @ 9:56 am
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LSU record - 3 winning seasons in the decade before Saban took over
90 5-6
91 5-6
92 2-9
93 5-6
94 4-7
95 7-4-1
96 10-2
97 9-3
98 4-7
99 3-8
The point I made holds true, not really a powerhouse before Saban
Comment by mp — October 31, 2007 @ 9:50 am
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Put some stank on it!!!!!
Comment by Odell 51 — October 31, 2007 @ 9:44 am
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I love it crippled step child! I guess this makes Bammer our wheelchair cause we been riding your ass for 5 years.
Comment by bobby lowder's checkbook — October 31, 2007 @ 9:43 am
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Tiger - it was actually a 9-0 start in 05. While that was impressive, the only “good” wins were against Meyer’s 1st UF season and a UT team that went 5-6 that season. Both wins at home.
The verdict is obviously still out on Saban, but I don’t see how you can argue against him being a success.
Would Tubbs really to go LSU like Spence thinks? I doubt it.
http://www.sportsline.com/collegefootball/story/10441242
Comment by Bama93 — October 31, 2007 @ 9:43 am