CURIOUS INDEX, 10/23/07
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Les Miles remains “livid” over the chop-block delivered by Auburn linemen to LSU All-American Glenn Dorsey during last week’s Auburn/LSU game. “He (Slive) said that it (a penalty) should’ve been called, and it was wrong,” Miles said. “He said that they’re accountable and that they’ll be responsible to do the right thing.” Miles, being the Great Communicator of college football that he is, also spoke with Tuberville, who apologized for the chop-block and reiterated that it was not intentional. LSU message boards remain artfully skeptical.
(The work of LSUFreek, again.) The Big East admits it blew a call on a fair catch run by UConn in the Lousiville/UConn game, which is great except for the fact that Louisville remains screwed and saddled with a loss it likely would have turned into a victory otherwise. Then again, according to SMQ, Brian Brohm was playing such conservative, dump-off football and underthrowing balls badly, it might not have mattered anyway. Bears Necessity already has the comforting battle cry for Cal Football 2007: “Number one for two hours!” Your fescue does not please my angels. Pete Carroll was extremely displeased but only in the most pumped and jacked of ways with the quality of Notre Dame’s turf before the Trojans game on Saturday in South Bend. “I don’t understand why it’s like that. I mean who plays here? They sharing it with a local JC (junior college) or something?” Pete’s obviously not from the South, where insulting the quality of another man’s fescue is a killing offense with only blood atonement as its conclusion. Watch for men in black bearing rakes and spray barrels, Pete–we wouldn’t drive past the Garden Center of your local Home Depot without wearing Kevlar for a while. The Green Brotherhood never sleeps. And now the loudest thing on earth: 90,000 drunk people telling you just how badly they beat you. Warren’s got the connoisseur’s review at Fanopticon. Remember, it’s not that the SEC’s better than your conference. It’s that we’re not sure whether we left the carseat on top of the car when we pulled out of the driveway, and we’re not going back to check until the game’s over. L’il Bear Stabler’s a tough one, though. Wherever he is, he’ll get along all right, ’specially if the coyotes adopt him as one of their own. Make ‘em tough.
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51
Rival says:
#49
I’m not an Aubie.
Geez, is EVERYTHING about Auburn to you people?
Go Dawgs is not an ambiguous cheer at all.
October 23rd, 2007 at 10:00 am
52
footballfiji says:
Rammer Jammer would be cool if it wasn’t just Gary Glitter’s “Rock and Roll Part 2″ slowed down with nonsense lyrics added in.
Oh and Gary Glitter is a child pornographer. Good job bama.
October 23rd, 2007 at 10:06 am
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gerry dorsey says:
from wiki:
“The cadence of the cheer was adapted from the Ole Miss cheer “Hotty Toddy” after then Ole Miss marching band director Dr. James Ferguson was appointed director of the Million Dollar Band”
stupid?? maybe….but child pornographers bama is not.
October 23rd, 2007 at 10:13 am
54
BamaTaxMan says:
Memo to our little brothers from West Georgia:
Y’all have been on probation a whole lot more than we have – and one of these days Lowder’s not going to be able to pay somebody enough to “keep on down home, cuz”.
After all, both Dye and Bowden are STILL on the AU payroll, as is Wayne Hall. Now why would that be…..
And just what does “Brother” Chette do, and why is his “ministry” funded by Lowder.
People who live in glass houses shoudn’t throw stones.
October 23rd, 2007 at 10:34 am
55
MiseanAuFan says:
#47, Keep holding your breath- it’s been over a decade since Auburn’s fotoball team has been on probation, and Kyle’s diatribe from over a year ago isn’t going to change that.
Bama’s fotoball program has spent the better part of the last decade on probation (and more may be coming), while Auburn’s football program has been off of probation since the mid-90’s.
Glass houses, indeed.
October 23rd, 2007 at 10:37 am
56
TIGERinATL says:
I find it funny that Bammers think that it’s a put down to claim that AU is in West GA. As an Auburn grad who grew up in the ‘ham, oh how I wish that were true.
October 23rd, 2007 at 10:41 am
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RIP Logan Young says:
#55
No, the football team hasn’t been on probation for a whole 10 years now! Congratulations, guys! Y’all should have a big neon sign on campus: “This football program has been probation-free for ___ years!”
Of course, the whole damn university has had its accreditation status put on probation by SACS, so, you know, that kinda sucks.
(Not to mention Chip “I AM THE BANK!” Ellis and the basketball program, what, three years ago?)
October 23rd, 2007 at 10:43 am
58
MiseanAuFan says:
RIP,
The link you gave was a diatribe on why Auburn’s football program should receive the death penalty. I was just sticking to football, but I guess you don’t want to.
As for the SACS report- read it. The only reason SACS took action is that Auburn has a Trustee that is too involved in day-to-day operations of the school. I commend SACS for doing that because I hate Bobby Lowder, and I’m not the only Auburn fan who does.
October 23rd, 2007 at 10:51 am
59
Raznkjk from Ejactor says:
our interstellar transport unit was thrown slightly off course by the power of this vocalization
is this how your species reproduces?
October 23rd, 2007 at 10:52 am
60
RIP Logan Young says:
58
Your school almost lost its accreditation. Spin it any way you want. Accreditation — it’s *kind of* important.
P.S. The only reason AU isn’t on probation as we speak is because the NCAA apparently doesn’t give two shits about academic fraud. However, watching AU get blistered in the New York Times and in the rest of the national media was almost as satisfying.
October 23rd, 2007 at 10:58 am
61
MiseanAuFan says:
Here’s article on teh SACS findings:
http://www.uh.edu/ednews/2003/alcom/200312/20031212auburn.html
Here a quote that sums up the findings:
The Southern Association of Colleges and Schools, meeting in Nashville, Tenn., said Auburn violated five different parts of its accrediting standards, stemming from charges that trustees have improperly intruded into the school’s day-to-day business.
No, we’re aren’t on porbation in football now because we didn’t cheat (The NYT piece was full of holes, and there is not one thing shown there that would warrant NCAA probation unlike say- paying a coach to land one of his football players in your program).
October 23rd, 2007 at 11:09 am
62
BovineKid says:
For the love of all that is good and holy, stop arguing with the bammers. They are far too detached from reality and rationality to be bothered with.
@1, just as surely as bammers will always fabricate lies about Auburn while bragging about 87,216 MNCs and failing to notice UAT’s own transgressions (don’t even get me started on the cash-grab that is the UAT law school), LSU fans will never ever EVER stop whining about Auburn.
@20, I think you know the answer to that. I’m sure Ole Miss got it, too.
October 23rd, 2007 at 11:11 am
63
haybeav says:
I’m sure it will be even louder next week when we beat LSU. I don’t think I plan on bringing a camera thought since its hard to take videos and drink crown and coke at the same time. Although, this game might be as good as any to try.
October 23rd, 2007 at 11:23 am
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RIP Logan Young says:
62
What about the AU law school? Oh, wait. Hell of a vet school, though.
61
Full of holes? You serious, Clark? I’ll let the audience be the judge of that:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/14/sports/ncaafootball/14auburn.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
October 23rd, 2007 at 11:23 am
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PJ from NU in SF says:
You can tell this is an SEC board, because everyone (excepting the Vandy fans) is bragging on how long his school’s been *off* probation.
October 23rd, 2007 at 11:26 am
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RIP Logan Young says:
65
If you ain’t cheatin’, you ain’t tryin’.
That’s how you end up with the Big 10. (Except OSU, who is *definitely* “tryin’.”
October 23rd, 2007 at 11:27 am
67
Allahver Fist says:
Damnnit, Bama! We were so close!
October 23rd, 2007 at 11:46 am
68
bamafanintigerland says:
How is Alabama’s law school a cash grab? It is cheap as hell for a top 50 law school….unless this means something else.
October 23rd, 2007 at 11:50 am
69
TIGERinATL says:
Forget rammer jammer, Bammers! If Bama beats LSU, I’ll take a shot at the item of your choice from Steve Don’t Eat It. I’ll even send Orson pictures to post, if he feels like it.
http://www.thesneeze.com/mt-archives/cat_steve_dont_eat_it.php
I am not concerned.
October 23rd, 2007 at 11:51 am
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not-so-innocent bystander says:
If the red-stick crowd doesn’t get over it and look to the future, Bama’s gonna rip them a new one!
October 23rd, 2007 at 11:52 am
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RIP Logan Young says:
69
Whatever, Barner. You eat pickled pork rinds and pig lips at your tailgate every Saturday.
October 23rd, 2007 at 11:59 am
72
HFS says:
I respectfully disagree with the “heat of the moment” argument. Maybe the kid didn’t realize how dangerous that kind of move is, but there’s no way it wasn’t intentional.
The low block was intentional. An illegal low block wasn’t.
The tackle that engaged Dorsey high was supposed to block him low. If he blocks low like the play called for, then the guard’s block is legal. The tackle screwed up and resulted in the illegal block. The guard does the move almost right away; it’s not like he looked over, saw the high block and then went for the legs. He did what the play called for from the snap. In fact, I had to replay it to be sure that he got there after the high block started (he did, but it was almost simultaneous).
October 23rd, 2007 at 12:42 pm
73
HFS says:
It’s funny to see all these bammers go on and on about the NYT and SACS stuff. The NYT stuff is 1.) old and 2.) a manufactured controversy to begin with. Re: SACS, Auburn was never legitimately in danger of losing accreditation. It was a governance issue that got addressed and had nothing to do with athletics. The only folks holding onto these are bammers. Go ahead and talk about how Carnell Williams mom got a new house, too, like so many of your kind like to lie about on message boards. That is just as likely to ever be relevant to anything.
October 23rd, 2007 at 12:47 pm
74
Anonymous IV says:
As a Cal fan I am rather fond of the cheer, “Nobel Prize!” After the Oregon State game the 40 plus Nobel Prizes that have been awarded to Cal faculty and alumni did not comfort me as well as the bottle of Don Julio 1947.
October 23rd, 2007 at 12:53 pm
75
Sabanite says:
#51
Sorry, my mistake… so are you guys keeping Croom or does he need to beat Ole Miss this year?
October 23rd, 2007 at 1:05 pm
76
Crabs says:
#74
Al Gore just won a Nobel Prize – and he is a fucking idiot.
October 23rd, 2007 at 1:11 pm
77
RIP Logan Young says:
73
If it’s a “manufactured controversy,” why is Professor Petee no longer a member of the faculty at AU?
And if AU was “never in danger of losing accreditation,” what does this mean:
“Friday, December 12, 2003
SACS penalty shakes Auburn
Accrediting agency orders probation after investigating trustee involvement in university affairs
By Jeff Amy
Auburn University’s accrediting agency put the 23,000-student school on a year’s probation Tuesday, one step short of pulling the school’s accreditation. ”
?
October 23rd, 2007 at 1:25 pm
78
RIP Logan Young says:
More on AU’s “staring down the barrel” of losing its accreditation:
“Accreditation is intended to be a general guarantee of academic quality. Membership in a regional accrediting body is theoretically voluntary, but only students at accredited universities are eligible for federal student aid. Schools that lose accreditation often close or struggle to survive.”
And regarding its relationship to football:
“Other allegations have focused on whether Lowder and other trustees were improperly involved in firing football coach Terry Bowden.”
October 23rd, 2007 at 1:29 pm
79
stapler says:
RIP Logan Young, shut the fuck up and let it go. Who fucking gives a shit about it? I mean, seriously, who the fuck cares about that shit? Like anyone in the south gives a flying fuck what the NYTs says about anything, even less so about a damn college football program.
October 23rd, 2007 at 1:40 pm
80
robert says:
“You people. You have no idea how to run a football team. All you did today was weaken a conference. Sweet dreams, son.”
October 23rd, 2007 at 1:55 pm
81
Crabs says:
#79
I couldn’t agree more.
Either give us a link to something with “2007″ in the date or shut the fuck up.
October 23rd, 2007 at 1:58 pm
82
robert says:
#74:
Kissinger won a fucking Nobel Peace Prize too, which is the definition of irony. Oh and Al Gore is not a fucking idiot. Pompous douche, yes, but he’s not dumb.
October 23rd, 2007 at 2:05 pm
83
Anonymous IV says:
#76, Crabs, all of Cal’s Nobel Lauretes are in economics, physics, chemistry and physiology/medicine I would venture to say that they are not idiots. Also Al Gore was only awarded half of the Nobel Peace Prize with the other half being awarded to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.
October 23rd, 2007 at 2:07 pm
84
Anonymous IV says:
Oh sorry, Cal also had one who was awarded the Nobel Prize for literature. My mistake.
October 23rd, 2007 at 2:10 pm
85
SGC says:
Seems to me that you aubs are the ones who keep wanting to argue the issue. Only after you get bitch-slapped by RIP do you want it “let go.”
October 23rd, 2007 at 2:10 pm
86
HFS says:
RIP, you’ve proven nothing. Yes, probation is the first step. The first step of a two step process that was never going to see completion. Go back to living in your own past and stay out of ours (or, more specifically, your imaginary version of ours).
I work at AU. And I can assure you that there was never any real danger. Of course, if we had denied, dodged and continued to thumb our nose at the governing body, then it might have been a problem. Fortunately, bama showed us how stupid and self-destructive that approach was when they tried to do it to the NCAA.
October 23rd, 2007 at 2:20 pm
87
RIP Logan Young says:
86
So are you a pet doctor or a manure scientist?
Keep teling yourself that — “I was never in danger of working at a non-accredited university in the sticks of West Georgia” — as you slowly peel your soiled drawers from your trembling buttocks.
October 23rd, 2007 at 2:30 pm
88
RIP Logan Young says:
P.S. As for Bama’s approach to the NCAA investigation, you have it exactly wrong, per usual — we showed the rest of the NCAA how self-destructive it is to comply with the NCAA in their kangaroo court of justice.
October 23rd, 2007 at 2:30 pm
89
dash says:
#53
History of the Rammer Jammer Cheer
The “Rammer Jammer Yellow Hammer, give ‘em hell Alabama” part of the cheer was done by itself the first couple of years I was at Bama (78-79) and goes way back. The “Hey [opponent], we just beat the hell out of you” was taken from the Ole Miss “Hotty Toddy” cheer. It happened after we played Ole Miss in Jackson in 1980 I think. The Ole Miss band played it before, and during the game, and those of us in the MDB thought it was pretty cool. By the end of the game we were playing it ourselves. The next week Doc Ferguson invited the cheerleaders to our practice and it was decided to substiute our “Rammer Jammer” cheer for their “Hotty Toddy “one at the end. And the rest is history….oh, and Auburn sucks.
October 23rd, 2007 at 2:34 pm
90
Crabs says:
#88
Bama’s cooperation with the NCAA was the only thing that kept them from the death penalty.
I can assure you that lying and stonewalling the4 NCAA would not have been helped bama’s cause.
October 23rd, 2007 at 2:36 pm
91
RIP Logan Young says:
90
BS — the NCAA would never, ever give Alabama the death penalty, despite their bluster to the contrary.
October 23rd, 2007 at 2:40 pm
92
HFS says:
Bama’s cooperation with the NCAA was the only thing that kept them from the death penalty.
I can assure you that lying and stonewalling the4 NCAA would not have been helped bama’s cause.
Yep.
Of course, I was referring to the Langham case, not the Albert Means case. They’ve had so many problems over there that I can imagine it’s hard to keep them all straight.
October 23rd, 2007 at 2:46 pm
93
RIP Logan Young says:
92
From ESPN:
Auburn
Year: 1993
Violations: Boosters, an assistant coach and staffers were cited for allegedly giving cash, merchandise and loans to defensive back Eric Ramsey, who had secretly tape-recorded conversations with members of the Auburn program during the Pat Dye era. School cited for lack of institutional control.
Major penalties: 2-year bowl ban, 1-year TV ban.
Notable: Conviction was Tigers’ sixth time on probation, one shy of NCAA record. But program avoided “death penalty,” as well as any significant scholarship cuts.”
One more guys, and you can finally lead the NCAA in something. It’ll be awesome.
October 23rd, 2007 at 2:58 pm
94
NewAZTiger says:
So, how about all those players that were suspended for receiving illegal textbooks…
Or the Hoover grade changing scandal…
Or the Illegal recruiting contact in Miami…
October 23rd, 2007 at 3:04 pm
95
PW says:
No dog in this fight, but:
One more guys, and you can finally lead the NCAA in something. It’ll be awesome.
How about consecutive wins over Bama?
NOW THAT I”VE SHAKEN YOU, FIGHT, YOU JAR OF ANTS!!!!!
October 23rd, 2007 at 3:09 pm
96
RIP Logan Young says:
94
Does Brad Lester even know where the campus bookstore is? Does he need to?
Can he spell “bookstore”? Can Junior Rosegreen (if it was on the Wonderlic — he of the 2 — two — one, two — I know he can’t)?
October 23rd, 2007 at 3:09 pm
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RIP Logan Young says:
And in case anyone was wondering, I checked, and yes — Junior Rosegreen did, indeed, *graduate* from (almost unaccredited) Auburn University.
And he made a two — that’s right: one + one = two (or in Junior’s case, “one + one = Martin Luther King! I can count these rocks, biatch!”) — on the Wonderlic.
Proud graduate of Auburn University, the Stanford of the South.
October 23rd, 2007 at 3:14 pm
98
HFS says:
Good job, RIP. Once again, you have to go WAY in the past to make a point about Auburn’s problems (all of the other football probations aside from Ramsey predate new wave music). Yet the last 15 years have been a real roller coaster ride for bama. Sure hope none of those pesky textbook issues came before February 1st or so…
October 23rd, 2007 at 3:14 pm
99
RIP Logan Young says:
95
UT’s got them beat, damn it.
October 23rd, 2007 at 3:14 pm
100
RIP Logan Young says:
98
Keep hoping, HFS — it’s the only thing that’ll keep Saban from continuing to give AU a severe case of recruiting redass all over the state.
Have y’all gotten a commitment from a top 15 in-state prospect yet?
October 23rd, 2007 at 3:16 pm