CURIOUS INDEX, 10/23/07

Quote Miles

“He assured me that the people who were responsible, the players, were sick,” Miles said. “It may have been an intentional block by two players, but not together and not rehearsed and certainly not coached. After a team meeting (at Auburn) on Sunday, the participants felt terrible about what had happened. It’s important that everybody understand that that’s immoral — that block. It’s something that should not be tolerated. That really didn’t have any place in football. Coach Tuberville sees it that way. It appears that the league sees it that way. It’s important that we’re all on the same page.”

Auburn right tackle Lee Ziemba was blocking Dorsey high, which is normal, on the play before Ramsey cut him low. Miles said he couldn’t tell if Ziemba was guilty of posting Dorsey up for the low hit.

“I can’t tell you what’s going on inside the helmets of the two players,” said Miles, a former starting offensive guard at Michigan in 1974 and 1975 when chop blocking was legal and coached. "Having been in the line before, you don’t necessarily have the disposition of when someone’s being posted. The offensive tackle, very comfortably, could be setting that man and concentrating on this, and as that guy goes down, not ever know what created that issue.

“I can’t tell you that they were innocent, and I certainly can’t tell you that they had prearranged it or orchestrated it. I can tell you that their coach is coaching against it, understands the rules and expressed to me how unfortunate it was and that both participants were sorry that it happened, however it happened.”

Not sure what he means by “sick”, but it looks like Miles understands that it is something that happened in the heat of the moment and was not orchestrated or coached, but should have been flagged nonetheless. Which is exactly what Tuberville said on Sunday. LSU fans, your team won and, more importantly, Dorsey is going to be fine. So stop your annual Auburn bitchfest.

I’m pulling for the refs. They always win.

Worth noting… What is not reported. Les Miles declaring Tubby and gang “Buckwheat.” Mr Shhh cannot be far behind

I respectfully disagree with the “heat of the moment” argument. Maybe the kid didn’t realize how dangerous that kind of move is, but there’s no way it wasn’t intentional.

I hope everyone is okay with living in a world where UConn plays in the Orange Bowl.

Tuberville may be a douche, but he can’t be that much of a douche to hurt Dorsey. Although, since he’ll be coaching A&M next year, maybe he doesn’t care anymore.

In other words, I don’t necessarily think it was malicious, but it was no accident.

Mike Slive is rediculous. He never EVER takes any action on anything at all. I would love his job, imagine going into work and never having to make a decision. That would be awesome.

The officiating in the SEC has never been worse, how is it that there have been 0 holding calls against LSU’s defensive line this year?

Also, it’s not just LSU that gets screwed, how about Ole Miss vs. Alabama?

Purpleheart,

Defensive lines are very seldom flagged for holding… I’m hoping you meant offensive lines facing LSU’s defensive line?

Are doing something “in the heat of the moment” and the act being intentional mutually exclusive? If someone throws a punch after a play “in the heat of the moment” it is still intentional and should draw a flag. This is the same situation.

I think he was trying to do anything he could to block Dorsey and in the heat of the moment made a really stupid decision. But I do not believe for one second that there was any intent to end the guy’s career or to even knock him out of the game.

1. quit whining about that call. It was 100% correct.

1. yes, I meant holding — no holding penalties for LSU opponents.

Can’t believe no one’s talked about the awesomeness of that gif. The dramatic pause at the end is immaculately timed.

what is the crowd chanting in the videO?

Maybe the Big East refs are in some type of contest, because the officiating in the Pitt/UC game was awful. One flag picked up on the field, one call made on the field overturned. Oh, and they both went against UC.

Chudthku: Tell the officials we need parity
ESPNcaa: Yes, master.

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ESPNews was going crrrrazy last night with the UConn call, saying it decided the game (false, LVille was up 17-7 in the 4th after the punt) and making it a huge deal. Why? Duh…UConn is on ABC this weekend and, sadly, is their biggest game at 330. Nebraska/Texas does nothing for nobody.

ABC: USF/UConn
CBS: Cocktail Party

I wonder what people will watch….

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“Hey Vols! We just beat the hell outta you – Rammer Jammer Yellow Hammer; Give ’Em Hell Alabama.”

And there was much rejoicing.

#14, it is the Alabama crowd following the 41-17 vol-sodomy

RTR

On a much more fun note, I see that sportsbybrooks.com has a nice selection of cheesecake. SBB doesn’t hit on all of them, but is batting for a pretty good average.

Incedentally, did Houston receive the “we just beat the hell out of you” from the bammers following that bloodletti… er… narrow escape?

That Rammer Jammer pales in comparison to the ones vs Florida and Tennessee in ’05. Particularly, the one vs Florida was the loudest I have ever heard a cheer from that redneck stadium.

I can’t think of anything funny because Shreveport having a newspaper has zapped my noodle. One of y’all cajuns please float me down a copy of their next Independence Bowl Commemorative Section.

#14, I can’t get video here at work but based on the comments, I am sure it is the Alabama crowd doing the Rammer Jammer chant.
“Hey Vols, Hey Vols, Hey Vols, We just beat the hell out of you. Rammer Jammer, yellow hammer, give em’ hell Alabama”

Josh Portis continues his streak of great decisions.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/college/football/bal-terspfoot1022,0,566060.story?track=rss

Damn, I was late.

1. - I think Fulmer will be able to pick one up for you.

I think it goes something like this:

“Rammer Jammer Yellow Hammer
We screw our sisters here in Alabammer”

@ #20

sure did. why?? did the bulls and bulldogs roll toomer’s corner???

What the hell is the “yellow hammer” anyway?

I never understood that.

Hell, the “rammer jammer” makes no sense, either.

Why not “rammer Bammer”?

Video Camera – $450.

Tickets to Alabama – Tennessee $700.

Nick Saban – $4,000,000 per year.

The sweet sound of Rammer Jammer after restoration of the proper order of the world (and a lovely ass-whooping). – Priceless.

1. - Yellowhammer – the state bird of Alabama.

@ 27 rival

yellow hammer is the state bird…and an adult beverage at a little place called gallette’s.

hell i’m not even sure i can explain the rammer jammer part.

turns out “rammer jammer” is the old name of the student newspaper.

Ohhhhhh….

Is the state bird of Alabama a mean sumabitch or something?

It’s Bama. Do you expect anything there to make logical sense?

Josh Portis should be homeschooled.

Beats the state bird of GA, which is the Brown Thrasher. (That explains the NHL teamname)

Re #27:

Yellowhammer = Alabama’s state bird (although, I don’t think I’ve ever seen one)

Also, one of the state nickname’s is the Yellowhammer State, since the Heart of Dixie hurts some people’s feelings.

It’s a farking cheer. It’s not supposed to make sense. Were you ever in a fraternity?

#30

Will that “restoration of the proper order of the world” be complete when bama goes back on probation?

http://www.al.com/news/press-register/index.ssf?/base/news/1193131201291460.xml&coll=3

@ 40

yes.

#20,

What cheer did you guys do after you pounded Miss. State on your homefield?

This link would not be EDSBS worthy, except that the story mentions “The Great Alaskan Bush Company.” Yes stripper fans, that would be a nudie bar in Anchorage.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21427910/?gt1=10450

From the looks of the talent, it doesn’t exactly measure up to Mons Venus. But hey, it is Alaska, so everything’s relative.

O,

I get that Tubs would be Jack Nicholson in this scenario, but Miles would not be the military prosecutor played by Kevin Bacon. Bacon was on Nicholson’s side, denying the chop block, er, code red, was called, er, ordered.

So, replace Daniel Kathy, Cruise, with Miles, Borges becomes Kendrick, i.e. K. Sutherland, and the gif is more accurate, yet still funny.

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You have a point there with the “intentional” vs. “heat of the moment” thing. As I watch the video again, it just looks like he had poor footwork and the last resort of a slow-footed O-lineman is to either hold or dive at the legs.

I also like how the guard got driven back 2-3 steps in about 1 second, but once Dorsey was down he got on top of him like he had pancaked him.

Damnitt , Coop.

#40

No, when AU goes back on probation.

http://www.dawgsports.com/story/2006/7/16/1376/16504

#39.

Yes. But those cheers were usually about drankin’, loose women, and dumb fraternity brothers. Makes perfect sense in college.

Unlike the Bama cheer.

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Of course calling yourself plainsmen while cheering on your tigers with a yell of war eagle makes perfect sense…

The “we just beat the hell outta you” part made a lot of sense on Saturday.

#49

I’m not an Aubie.

Geez, is EVERYTHING about Auburn to you people?

Go Dawgs is not an ambiguous cheer at all.

Rammer Jammer would be cool if it wasn’t just Gary Glitter’s “Rock and Roll Part 2” slowed down with nonsense lyrics added in.

Oh and Gary Glitter is a child pornographer. Good job bama.

from wiki:

“The cadence of the cheer was adapted from the Ole Miss cheer “Hotty Toddy” after then Ole Miss marching band director Dr. James Ferguson was appointed director of the Million Dollar Band"

stupid?? maybe….but child pornographers bama is not.

Memo to our little brothers from West Georgia:

Y’all have been on probation a whole lot more than we have – and one of these days Lowder’s not going to be able to pay somebody enough to “keep on down home, cuz”.

After all, both Dye and Bowden are STILL on the AU payroll, as is Wayne Hall. Now why would that be…..

And just what does “Brother” Chette do, and why is his “ministry” funded by Lowder.

People who live in glass houses shoudn’t throw stones.

#47, Keep holding your breath- it’s been over a decade since Auburn’s fotoball team has been on probation, and Kyle’s diatribe from over a year ago isn’t going to change that.

Bama’s fotoball program has spent the better part of the last decade on probation (and more may be coming), while Auburn’s football program has been off of probation since the mid-90’s.

Glass houses, indeed.

I find it funny that Bammers think that it’s a put down to claim that AU is in West GA. As an Auburn grad who grew up in the ’ham, oh how I wish that were true.

#55

No, the football team hasn’t been on probation for a whole 10 years now! Congratulations, guys! Y’all should have a big neon sign on campus: “This football program has been probation-free for _ years!”

Of course, the whole damn university has had its accreditation status put on probation by SACS, so, you know, that kinda sucks.

(Not to mention Chip “I AM THE BANK!” Ellis and the basketball program, what, three years ago?)

RIP,

The link you gave was a diatribe on why Auburn’s football program should receive the death penalty. I was just sticking to football, but I guess you don’t want to.

As for the SACS report- read it. The only reason SACS took action is that Auburn has a Trustee that is too involved in day-to-day operations of the school. I commend SACS for doing that because I hate Bobby Lowder, and I’m not the only Auburn fan who does.

our interstellar transport unit was thrown slightly off course by the power of this vocalization

is this how your species reproduces?

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Your school almost lost its accreditation. Spin it any way you want. Accreditation — it’s kind of important.

P.S. The only reason AU isn’t on probation as we speak is because the NCAA apparently doesn’t give two shits about academic fraud. However, watching AU get blistered in the New York Times and in the rest of the national media was almost as satisfying.

Here’s article on teh SACS findings:

http://www.uh.edu/ednews/2003/alcom/200312/20031212auburn.html
Here a quote that sums up the findings:

The Southern Association of Colleges and Schools, meeting in Nashville, Tenn., said Auburn violated five different parts of its accrediting standards, stemming from charges that trustees have improperly intruded into the school’s day-to-day business.

No, we’re aren’t on porbation in football now because we didn’t cheat (The NYT piece was full of holes, and there is not one thing shown there that would warrant NCAA probation unlike say- paying a coach to land one of his football players in your program).

For the love of all that is good and holy, stop arguing with the bammers. They are far too detached from reality and rationality to be bothered with.

@1, just as surely as bammers will always fabricate lies about Auburn while bragging about 87,216 MNCs and failing to notice UAT’s own transgressions (don’t even get me started on the cash-grab that is the UAT law school), LSU fans will never ever EVER stop whining about Auburn.

@20, I think you know the answer to that. I’m sure Ole Miss got it, too.

I’m sure it will be even louder next week when we beat LSU. I don’t think I plan on bringing a camera thought since its hard to take videos and drink crown and coke at the same time. Although, this game might be as good as any to try.

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What about the AU law school? Oh, wait. Hell of a vet school, though.

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Full of holes? You serious, Clark? I’ll let the audience be the judge of that:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/14/sports/ncaafootball/14auburn.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

You can tell this is an SEC board, because everyone (excepting the Vandy fans) is bragging on how long his school’s been off probation.

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If you ain’t cheatin’, you ain’t tryin’.

That’s how you end up with the Big 10. (Except OSU, who is definitely “tryin’.”

Damnnit, Bama! We were so close!

How is Alabama’s law school a cash grab? It is cheap as hell for a top 50 law school….unless this means something else.

Forget rammer jammer, Bammers! If Bama beats LSU, I’ll take a shot at the item of your choice from Steve Don’t Eat It. I’ll even send Orson pictures to post, if he feels like it.

http://www.thesneeze.com/mt-archives/cat_steve_dont_eat_it.php

I am not concerned.

If the red-stick crowd doesn’t get over it and look to the future, Bama’s gonna rip them a new one!

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Whatever, Barner. You eat pickled pork rinds and pig lips at your tailgate every Saturday.

I respectfully disagree with the "heat of the moment" argument. Maybe the kid didn’t realize how dangerous that kind of move is, but there’s no way it wasn’t intentional.

The low block was intentional. An illegal low block wasn’t.

The tackle that engaged Dorsey high was supposed to block him low. If he blocks low like the play called for, then the guard’s block is legal. The tackle screwed up and resulted in the illegal block. The guard does the move almost right away; it’s not like he looked over, saw the high block and then went for the legs. He did what the play called for from the snap. In fact, I had to replay it to be sure that he got there after the high block started (he did, but it was almost simultaneous).

It’s funny to see all these bammers go on and on about the NYT and SACS stuff. The NYT stuff is 1.) old and 2.) a manufactured controversy to begin with. Re: SACS, Auburn was never legitimately in danger of losing accreditation. It was a governance issue that got addressed and had nothing to do with athletics. The only folks holding onto these are bammers. Go ahead and talk about how Carnell Williams mom got a new house, too, like so many of your kind like to lie about on message boards. That is just as likely to ever be relevant to anything.

As a Cal fan I am rather fond of the cheer, “Nobel Prize!” After the Oregon State game the 40 plus Nobel Prizes that have been awarded to Cal faculty and alumni did not comfort me as well as the bottle of Don Julio 1947.

#51
Sorry, my mistake… so are you guys keeping Croom or does he need to beat Ole Miss this year?

#74

Al Gore just won a Nobel Prize – and he is a fucking idiot.

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If it’s a “manufactured controversy,” why is Professor Petee no longer a member of the faculty at AU?

And if AU was “never in danger of losing accreditation,” what does this mean:

“Friday, December 12, 2003

SACS penalty shakes Auburn
Accrediting agency orders probation after investigating trustee involvement in university affairs

By Jeff Amy

Auburn University’s accrediting agency put the 23,000-student school on a year’s probation Tuesday, one step short of pulling the school’s accreditation. "

?

More on AU’s “staring down the barrel” of losing its accreditation:

“Accreditation is intended to be a general guarantee of academic quality. Membership in a regional accrediting body is theoretically voluntary, but only students at accredited universities are eligible for federal student aid. Schools that lose accreditation often close or struggle to survive.”

And regarding its relationship to football:

“Other allegations have focused on whether Lowder and other trustees were improperly involved in firing football coach Terry Bowden.”

RIP Logan Young, shut the fuck up and let it go. Who fucking gives a shit about it? I mean, seriously, who the fuck cares about that shit? Like anyone in the south gives a flying fuck what the NYTs says about anything, even less so about a damn college football program.

“You people. You have no idea how to run a football team. All you did today was weaken a conference. Sweet dreams, son.”

I couldn’t agree more.

Either give us a link to something with “2007” in the date or shut the fuck up.

#74:
Kissinger won a fucking Nobel Peace Prize too, which is the definition of irony. Oh and Al Gore is not a fucking idiot. Pompous douche, yes, but he’s not dumb.

#76, Crabs, all of Cal’s Nobel Lauretes are in economics, physics, chemistry and physiology/medicine I would venture to say that they are not idiots. Also Al Gore was only awarded half of the Nobel Peace Prize with the other half being awarded to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

Oh sorry, Cal also had one who was awarded the Nobel Prize for literature. My mistake.

Seems to me that you aubs are the ones who keep wanting to argue the issue. Only after you get bitch-slapped by RIP do you want it “let go.”

RIP, you’ve proven nothing. Yes, probation is the first step. The first step of a two step process that was never going to see completion. Go back to living in your own past and stay out of ours (or, more specifically, your imaginary version of ours).

I work at AU. And I can assure you that there was never any real danger. Of course, if we had denied, dodged and continued to thumb our nose at the governing body, then it might have been a problem. Fortunately, bama showed us how stupid and self-destructive that approach was when they tried to do it to the NCAA.

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So are you a pet doctor or a manure scientist?

Keep teling yourself that — “I was never in danger of working at a non-accredited university in the sticks of West Georgia” — as you slowly peel your soiled drawers from your trembling buttocks.

P.S. As for Bama’s approach to the NCAA investigation, you have it exactly wrong, per usual — we showed the rest of the NCAA how self-destructive it is to comply with the NCAA in their kangaroo court of justice.

History of the Rammer Jammer Cheer

The “Rammer Jammer Yellow Hammer, give ’em hell Alabama” part of the cheer was done by itself the first couple of years I was at Bama (78-79) and goes way back. The “Hey [opponent], we just beat the hell out of you” was taken from the Ole Miss “Hotty Toddy” cheer. It happened after we played Ole Miss in Jackson in 1980 I think. The Ole Miss band played it before, and during the game, and those of us in the MDB thought it was pretty cool. By the end of the game we were playing it ourselves. The next week Doc Ferguson invited the cheerleaders to our practice and it was decided to substiute our “Rammer Jammer” cheer for their "Hotty Toddy "one at the end. And the rest is history….oh, and Auburn sucks.

#88

Bama’s cooperation with the NCAA was the only thing that kept them from the death penalty.

I can assure you that lying and stonewalling the4 NCAA would not have been helped bama’s cause.

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BS — the NCAA would never, ever give Alabama the death penalty, despite their bluster to the contrary.

Bama’s cooperation with the NCAA was the only thing that kept them from the death penalty.

I can assure you that lying and stonewalling the4 NCAA would not have been helped bama’s cause.

Yep.

Of course, I was referring to the Langham case, not the Albert Means case. They’ve had so many problems over there that I can imagine it’s hard to keep them all straight.

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From ESPN:

Auburn
Year: 1993

Violations: Boosters, an assistant coach and staffers were cited for allegedly giving cash, merchandise and loans to defensive back Eric Ramsey, who had secretly tape-recorded conversations with members of the Auburn program during the Pat Dye era. School cited for lack of institutional control.

Major penalties: 2-year bowl ban, 1-year TV ban.

Notable: Conviction was Tigers’ sixth time on probation, one shy of NCAA record. But program avoided “death penalty,” as well as any significant scholarship cuts."

One more guys, and you can finally lead the NCAA in something. It’ll be awesome.

So, how about all those players that were suspended for receiving illegal textbooks…

Or the Hoover grade changing scandal…

Or the Illegal recruiting contact in Miami…

No dog in this fight, but:

One more guys, and you can finally lead the NCAA in something. It’ll be awesome.

How about consecutive wins over Bama?

NOW THAT I"VE SHAKEN YOU, FIGHT, YOU JAR OF ANTS!!!!!

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Does Brad Lester even know where the campus bookstore is? Does he need to?

Can he spell “bookstore”? Can Junior Rosegreen (if it was on the Wonderlic — he of the 2 — two — one, two — I know he can’t)?

And in case anyone was wondering, I checked, and yes — Junior Rosegreen did, indeed, graduate from (almost unaccredited) Auburn University.

And he made a two — that’s right: one + one = two (or in Junior’s case, “one + one = Martin Luther King! I can count these rocks, biatch!”) — on the Wonderlic.

Proud graduate of Auburn University, the Stanford of the South.

Good job, RIP. Once again, you have to go WAY in the past to make a point about Auburn’s problems (all of the other football probations aside from Ramsey predate new wave music). Yet the last 15 years have been a real roller coaster ride for bama. Sure hope none of those pesky textbook issues came before February 1st or so…

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UT’s got them beat, damn it.

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Keep hoping, HFS — it’s the only thing that’ll keep Saban from continuing to give AU a severe case of recruiting redass all over the state.

Have y’all gotten a commitment from a top 15 in-state prospect yet?

“Have y’all gotten a commitment from a top 15 in-state prospect yet?”

the sad part is it’s impossible to tell if that is sarcastic or serious

I’m sorry, I don’t feel sorry for Louisville. UConn also got screwed on a special-teams call that (a) cost them a chance at a TD and (b) led to a Louisville scoring drive. And I say this as a disinterested fan that stood in awe at the overall bizarreness of the game.

It evened out, in some weird way.

What is so bad about being psychotic over college football? It is the greatest sport created. It gives us all cheers, tears, ups, downs, gallons of brown tasty beverage, and boundless joy. The mere existence of this blog proves we are all crazy for the college game. If you still don’t believe it, join us in Tuscaloosa in 2 weeks. The Tide and the Cajuns are going to throw a party and put on a show that will be forgotten only by those with whiskey poisoning. The goals are to have fun, get drunk, raise hell, and live a little. If you don’t like those things, then fuck you bleeding pussies. SEC football rocks and I love it.

ROLL TIDE ROLL!

Y’all are missing the best Rammer Jammer ever…

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Zz6spDV9zIs

This seems like Auburn football news:

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/sec/2007-06-06-auburn-recruit-grades_N.html

Sociology:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/14/sports/ncaafootball/14auburn.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

The textbook thing is a non issue. The NCAA requires restitution and may suspend the violaters depending on the dollar amounts involved. Alabama won’t get put on probation or lose any schollies over some dumbasses at the student book store.

Ball State got nailed because they had a problem that was generally known throughout the athletic department and did nothing about. Their athletes got cash vouchers for books.

Hahaha, Tennessee.

Also Auburn.