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Auburn sucks.

No, Bama does.

Saban is a bastard.

Tuberville has big ears.

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Yea WTF man, I come into work an hour early so I can leave an hour early, and OBVIOUSLY don’t do any work for that first hour, and I end up with no EDSBS…I want my money back.

Outstanding PW.

Wordpress, eh?

PW = FTW.

I like the Instant Flame-War Starter Log you’ve got there.

Shouldn’t this be a delay of game?

PW:

1. False
2. True
3. True
4. Understatement

I loved the quote from the dash on ESPN today, regarding the garbage-people in Oxford this weekend:

“Those were among the garage sale of projectiles fired onto the field Saturday at Mississippi (3) after officials overturned a call that could have given the Rebels a chance to tie or win against Alabama (4). Yes, a pair of red pumps wound up on Vaught-Hemingway Field, and they weren’t on the feet of this year’s homecoming queen.

Rebels fans were taking a page from the Crimson Tide playbook, after Bama fans hurled dozens of cups, pom-poms and other flotsam at Georgia’s celebrating players last month."

Class: I don’t have time for that shit.

@Erik,
My thoughts exactly.

Plus I am going to tack on “Unsportsmanlike Conduct”….
just because I feel like it.

i wonder who reads better bo jackson, james brooks, or trey blackmon?

“Illegal touching”

PW, we appreciate the effort, but you forgot to look at Saturday’s schedule… the appropriate flame war starter this week would have gone more like this -

 - Pete Carrol fucks angels
 - ND lost to Michigan who lost to Appalachian State who lost to some no name I-AA team so you’ve got major CFB Transitive Herpes
 - How dare you call us racists, you… oh, wait, you weren’t talking about Willingham
 - God you Domers are pathetic…

You know, something like that…

Still, the comment by PW has staying power because . . . . well, that flame war never dies and has a tendency to jack threads totally unrelated to it. It’s happened numerous times on EDSBS. Yours makes sense in that it’s timely, though ‘Bama-Auburn . . . that’s timeless hate right there.

ahhhh….timeless hate

the kind that keeps you warm all winter

I thought that work had installed a firewall or whatever it was where it could block the pages you look at. I just started here and about freaked out. This is a big sigh of relief

Was it Wordpress or GoDaddy?

http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com

What do UF and FSU students have in common?

They both were accepted by FSU.

simple:

Tennessee sucks.

No, Bama does.

Saban is a bastard.

Fulmer has a big everything.

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saban…what a piece of shit. can you believe they’re paying that asshole 4 mil a year??? he’s not even going to go undefeated this year. they should have hired sly croom.

“Fulmer has a big everything.”

Nice of Burt77 to segue into “niche” porn this morning.

I hear big and beautiful porn is up there with clown porn in popularity.

Personal foul, unnecessary roughness…Associating Phil Fulmer with ANY kind of porn.

Fulmer has a big record vs. the tide. So does Tuberville. So do a lot of active coaches. Hell even a senile Bobby Bowden has a 1.000 record against them.

“timeless hate”… I like that.

MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Blaming it on the server, huh? Why don’t you pick on MY computer? IT’S 40 YEARS OLD!!

1. - I was going to go in a similar direction, mostly that I doubt Bama fans would be willing to say that Fulmer has a big wang. I mean, it’s like “Well, your coach has a huge ween and ours . . . meh, he’s compensating.”

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once again, illegal touching

And I think Bo and Blackmon read just fine. Brad Lester on the other hand, I’m not so sure about.

“He also doesn’t have time for this pissing/wang-comparision contest shit.”

1. - +100 cocktails

Will Alabama play ND in the coming years? I’d imagine if both coaching staffs are the same, then it could be the ultimate “Get-Your-Hate-On” Bowl. I mean, seriously, two programs so REVILED by the rest of the nation with the two coaches everyone loves to hate. You’d think that the hate concern rays beaming in from across the country would cause the stadium to just incinerate, like in Firestarter.

PeterPumpkinhead:

The most obvious fan-based related flame war that needs to happen is between Husker Fan and Aggie Fan about whose coach sucks more. There’s a thread out at texags.com with a hypothetical chess match between Callahan and Fran, and it’s got some weapons-grade funny in it.

http://www.texags.com/main/forum.reply.asp?topic_id=983466&page=2&forum_id=5

I heard someone on the local radio propose that the losing coach should have to do his coaches show in a chicken suit. I can probably pony up the $1200 bucks it’d take for Fran to agree to it.

Chuck Amato heard the words “Clown Porn” and immediately logged in. He knew because its on his Google Alerts.

#21
“Fulmer has a big record vs. the tide. So does Tuberville. So do a lot of active coaches.”

So does Nick Saban.

Why does the St. Johns River flow North?

’Cause Georgia sucks.

This thread is an Illegal Substitution for creativity.

You know who the real winner is in a fight between Bama fans and Auburn fans?

People who didn’t go to school in Alabama.

Tommy Kilborn and Finebaum could have a flame-liveblog during the game

1. - then Bama fans win every time since none of them attended school anywhere.

1. - OOOH SNAP!

You’re right AT, I don’t know how I could have forgotten about that one… oh yeah, that’s right, I’ve seared all the memories of Fran from my mind.

kinda off topic, but is it possible to have intra-conference match-ups in bowl games?

PW #1 – Your point is well taken. Truly we are like a touchy group. Setting us of is as simple as shaking a jar full of ants.

#33, I think that Finebaum’s hands are too busy stroking Saban’s cock to use them for any productive blogging. He should be coming down with “the buyer’s remorse” about now. That’s the problem with a bandwagon guy like Finebaum.

Its about to get even rougher for the Bammers. I hope they feels as if they got their $4M worth this year (is that check still good?)

1. 29 – I had to stop after the Fran/Callahan chess game conversation… I am in class after all…

1. - As I recall from ’89, I believe, when Auburn and Tennessee tied, a freshman Stan White was running things on the Plains, there was talk that if both teams ran the table, the Sugar Bowl would have taken a rematch.

I think Tennessee ended up playing a Shawn Moore-less UVa in the Sugar Bowl, the UVa that lost their #1 ranking to Tech, then Moore goes down, then Matt Blundin (sic) got killed by VPI after UVa already received the Sugar Bowl bid.

Seriously, what were the Sugar Bowl people thinking inviting UVa that year? Nevermind that they almost beat Tennessee, and should have, but they lost their QB and were killed by the Hokies the next week.

Tech wins their share of the national title in the Citrus Bowl over Nebraska, a colossal bitch-slapping, and UVa’s penalty for not winning the ACC is a bid to the Sugar Bowl.

It’s funny to me how people accuse Bama fans of having zero patience, and then have the brilliance to ask us if we think we’re getting our money’s worth this year?

Which is it, should we expect to go undefeated this year, or should we have patience?

Oh, and in case you weren’t paying attention, Saban is one win away from having as many as Shula did in 3 of his 4 seasons. So maybe we should at least give him one more year.

Charlie Weis is a real Genius.

He is just playing the dumb-ass to catch everybody off guard!

#42, I was merely suggesting that he cash the checks while they are still good, before the tide [of popular opinion] turns.

#41,

I think it was ’90. Auburn lost to UT in ’89, but shared the SEC title with them and Bama, since Auburn beat ’Bama, who beat UT.

#1, always reliable:

12 National Championships. Roll Tide motherfuckers!

Half of those don’t count

Discuss.

I’m assuming there are contracts containing provisions guaranteeing berths to certain conferences, but wouldn’t intra-conference rivalry games attract more fans? For instance, a Florida-Georgia Peach Bowl would attract a lot more fans than, say, a Clemson-Kentucky Peach Bowl.

#22: IT’S A MAINFRAME!

Momentum is ringing up 50+ comments to a server-down blog entry.

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How many scholarship reductions has Saban had to deal with? Just curious. As for expectations, Bob Stoops took an Oklahoma program 10 years removed from a meaningful season and 5 years removed from a winning season, and in his second year won the National Championship as a rookie head coach.

Anything less than that from Saban and he has underachieved.

It doesn’t really matter, Alabama was Saban’s career-saving ticket out of Miami, he has no buy-out, no ties to the university or the people, and it’s obvious from his press conferences and call in shows that he is not exactly enamored with the Bama nation.

Ask yourself 1 question. If you stopped Saban on the street and asked him to sign the Alabama fight song, do you think he could do it? It took him 3 months to say “Roll Tide” with a disconcerted look on his face.

1. - That’s “12 Nashunel Chamunsheeups”

I’m confused. Why don’t half of them count? I always hear the argument that, since the NCAA doesn’t actually crown a national champ, then none of it is real anyway.

So if it’s still a MNC even with the BCS, who cares if someone claims a retroactive (or 5)?

I actually hate Got 12 t-shirts, and I hate that people resort to that argument. That being said, what that represents to me is dominance over decades, which most other schools can’t claim.

People who don’t enjoy remembering (or in my case, hearing about and reading about, with the exception of 1992) the glory days usually don’t have any.

46, Losers With Socks has a great rundown of that topic.

You’re right, Tater: No matter how many actually count, at least you have the good old days. Hope they’ve kept you warm on those cold Shreveport nights.

TOSU -
“Anything less than that from Saban and he has underachieved. "

exactly . . . and one can already hear the sound of the Sabanation sharpening their pitchforks and dousing their torches with Kerosene (though they are not ready to admit it yet).

Thread-Thievery and timeless hatred that keeps you warm all winter- I’m leaving here today with a smile on my face.
i think Orson’s just taking the day off, but this thread is keeping me entertained enough.

the only other arguments I think come close to rivaling Auburn/Alabama would be:
1: Mohammed Ali vs. Mike Tyson (both at their primes)?
2: Did OJ do it (the first time)?
3: Is there intelligent life on other planets?
4: Is there a God, Heaven or Hell?
5: What came first, the chicken or the egg?

other than these 5 above, there are no other more heated arguments than one between Auburn and Alabama faithful, as much as they may be mostly drunken incoherent babble and mind-numbing statistical swordsmanship. It will always remain entertaining……

No I came to work early this morning and It wouldn’t load, I mean yea he could be taking a break but it was in fact broken at some point.

I really think they’ll give Saban some time. After all, Shula got 4 years. But they seem to have learned at least one lesson: that a connection with the Bahr should not be a prerequisite for a coach.

Now if they can stop with the Houndstooth, Bryant’s voice over before home games, etc. then maybe they can finally move forward.

But that hasn’t happened and they continue to put such pressure on potentially good coaches and QBs that it crushes them and actually plays a part in their underachievement. Look at JPW. They want him sat down, but without his heroics they lose the Ark and Ole Miss games and are 3-4 instead of 5-2. Look for him to really shrink in the rest of the season.

Saban is not one to suffer fools lightly and he has a ton to deal with now. Unless he turns it all the way around in 2 more years, they will be really second guessing him and he will not have any more time for their shit.

Yes, Tiger, because AU has never been the type of program to play in a shitty bowl game. Confirms my point about glory days, not having them, etc.

That being said, Shreveport blows asshole. Though I did get to see big Andre catch his first, and possibly only TD. In a loss. To Okie St. In Shreveport.

All of the people on this board who make comments about pitchforks, etc., is wishful thinking. Not that it wouldn’t be entertaining for you all to see it. But at this point, Bama won’t run Saban off for at least 5 years, no matter what. But I don’t think we will be talking like this in 5 years.

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Part of the problem of the claim of 12 National Championships is that not every school claims all of the national championships that were “awarded” to them, most only reference AP or unanimous national championships. Do you hear Minnesota walking around touting the fact that they have 6 National Championships?

The real problem with Bama fans is that the claim of 12 Nationals has become their only response when criticized. Seriously, Alabama has beaten 1 conference champion in the last 20+ years (Miami in 1992) is 0-1 in BCS bowls, and outside of the 92 season, which was followed with NCAA investigations and eventually years later turned into a near “death penalty” amount of violations, Alabama has not been in the national spot light or even been a real factor in anything on a national level; Alabama is 0-11 when ESPN gameday has been on location for their games. Alabama is like 3-17 against Tenn, LSU, and Auburn over the last 5 years.

The bottom line is that when faced with the relevant facts regarding their program, Alabama fans only have 1 or 2 courses of action, “What about them 12 national titles” or “Got [insert coach name here]” tee shirts. It’s all about what you did 4 decades ago or what you are going to do.

In world where it really doesn’t matter what you did 5 years ago, where everything is about right now, who’s hot, who’s got it right now…who really cares about some NC from 1928?

Take your $132 Million in coaching and facilities and blow it up your ass.

#55-

Ali
Yes
Probably
Yes, Probably, You’ve never been to North Dakota, have you?
The Chicken, obviously

Five years is an awefully long way off in the future, especially considering that Aubie has a whole other hand to start counting Iron Bowl victories on.

1. - Today, in every other bowl other than the BCS bowls, you have both spots in the bowls contracted out to teams from Conference X and Y.

However, as you probably know, prior to the early 90s or so, someone can clean that up, you had something like this:

Rose Bowl: Big 10 vs. Pac 10
Orange Bowl: Big 8 Champion vs. TBD
Sugar Bowl: SEC Champion vs. TBD
Cotton Bowl: SWC Champion vs. TBD
Citrus Bowl: ACC Champion vs. TBD

And every other bowl, including the Fiesta Bowl, was TBD vs TBD.

Thus, prior to all the tie-ins, bowls could basically invite whomever they wanted to.

You really could have had all the intra-conference matchups, which would have made sense for conferences like the SEC, which had 10 members prior to expansion thus they did not have a round robin format, where Florida and Alabama may not have played in a certain year.

Or a rematch like the AU/UT option in ’90, thanks AUfan, had Auburn not shat the bed the rest of that season.

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1. Mike Shula played for Ray Perkins, not Bryant.

2. Everybody’s favorite player is the back up QB. Ask Kodi Burns and Brandon Cox circa the Crooming.

3. Like it or not, houndstooth has become a symbol for Alabama, at least to Bama fans, and is bigger than Bryant. A bit overdone at times, but I don’t mind the houndstooth dresses and ties. It’s pretty cool to me.

4. The Bryant voice over has been moved to something like 20 minutes before kick off. The pre-game intro is now recent highlights set to Thunderstruck, and a live feed of the players walking through the tunnel.

5. Every fan I know is ready to move on, and has full faith in Saban.

#59-

Yes, and don’t you fucking forget it. Now I need to find a Miami fan to taunt about their school’s measly 5 titles.

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I wish the BCS conferences would all drop down to 10 teams, play a round robin just like the Pac10 does where you have to play everyone in your conference every year; play a total of 11 games with 1 OOC game for say homecoming and 1 week off for a bye; then have a play off of conference champions. There are 6 BCS conferences so you could take 1 non-bcs conference champion and 1 at large, say the SEC runner up or another conference runner up with an impressive resume, and make it an 8 team play off.

Let the rest of the teams play in the crap bowls like they do now.

And Tater, you just confirmed the whole point about the glory days being all you’ve got.

A 22 year old senior at bama would have been born in 1985 — two full years after Bryant died. They don’t even have memories of good old days. Kind of puts it in perspective doesn’t it?

A lot of us have been waiting over 2,000 years for the return of our Savior. What makes the bammers think theirs will come back any sooner?

Just check the stats on that 1945 Bama MNC. Stellar season there.

Or how about 73 when they lost the bowl game to the REAL MNC’s Notre Dame but still claim that one. That’s kind of like tOSU claiming one in 06.

The sad thing is most Bummer fans don’t know the facts and saying got 12 really makes them sound ignorant and unintelligent. Believe it or not I actually have a few bummer friends who realize this and they only claim the AP championships. Which is 6.

1. - Really disagre there.

Think every conference should be forced to have 12 teams and have a championship game. Then take the best 4 in a short playoff.

But I do think that either every conference should have a championship game or none should have one. The extra off week is a real advantage to the conferences with no conference game.

TAFKATOSUB – you are smart when it comes to what SHOULD be done, but you realize that inertia (and income) will prevent big programs from getting behind reducing the number of games played….. when you can sell a ticket to your school VS App St for $50 plus quickly climbing contributions … why trade that for the possibility of a slice of the playoff action?

When the NCAA learns to play commie and shares the wealth of ALL the income from national sports with every participating school, then maybe you will see some sensibility return to college sports… we will all be standing in line for snowballs in hell that week, no doubt

Because our Savior beat Auburn 9 times in a row and won 6 MNC. How many times did Jesus beat AU? How many MNCs did he win?

I kid, but prob going to hell for it anyway.

As far as the good old days being over, I always hear from AU fans that Bama can’t ever be as dominant because of the parity. Glory days are now relative, because it is so difficult to maintain consistent dominance.

That being said, I personally enjoyed the early to mid 90s, the 99 SEC champsionship season, and in my 7 years in t-town, (2000-2007) I saw some of the worst teams in Bama history, but I also saw 2 10 win seasons, one by Mike Shula, and one by Fran. I think there are plenty of great seasons in the near future.

And, we’re currently tied for 1st in the west. I don’t think it will hold up, but who knows? I just enjoy seeing a staff actually coaching continuously during the game.

72, nice concession speech.

I don’t even know why we (I) bother to even give Alabama half a thought. I mean we are talking about a program that was found guilty of the most egregious violations since SMU and had it not been for SMU they would have received the DEATH PENALTY. This is the most arrogant fanbase in the country.

Read the official NCAA report:

The enforcement staff and the university were in partial agreement on the facts of this finding, including agreement that head high-school coach 1 manipulated the recruitment of prospect 2 for his own personal profit, but the university believed the evidence was inconclusive regarding whether athletics representative A offered or provided funds to head high-school coach 1. The committee evaluated the information surrounding this allegation, including statements by several individuals and the respective credibility of each, as well as phone records along with documents associated with the purchase of the vehicle, and concluded that athletics representative A both offered and provided a substantial amount of money to head high-school coach 1 to ensure that prospect 2 enrolled at the university.

 
The most specific and telling information supporting this finding came from a former assistant high-school coach (henceforth, “the assistant high-school coach”) who coached with head high-school coach 1 at the Memphis high school attended by prospect 2.

During spring 1999, the assistant high-school coach and head high-school coach 1 developed a scheme to market prospect 2 in which each would get an SUV and head high-school coach 1 also would get $100,000 in cash. The plan was modeled after what they believed another Memphis head high-school football coach (henceforth, “head high-school coach 2”) was doing with his players. The assistant high-school coach said he insisted to head high-school coach 1 that the deal include something for prospect 2 and the young man’s mother as well.

The assistant high-school coach reported that head high-school coach 1 could control prospect 2’s recruitment because he had earned the trust of prospect 2’s mother by purchasing clothes for the young man, giving her grocery money and occasionally paying some of her bills. The assistant high-school coach further reported that prospect 2 knew nothing of any money arrangements. No one interviewed in this inquiry reported that prospect 2 knew that payments were sought, offered, or paid.

Beginning in May 1999, head high-school coach 1 told assistant coaches at NCAA member institutions what it would cost them to recruit prospect 2. The assistant high-school coach named several NCAA member institutions whose coaches were solicited for payment. Each coach interviewed by NCAA staff confirmed that head high-school coach 1 sought to market prospect 2 and that head high-school coach 1 had complete control of prospect 2’s recruitment.

The assistant high-school coach reported that he was in the vicinity of the high-school football office when head high-school coach 1 first told Alabama assistant coach B what it would cost to sign prospect 2 and was actually present when Alabama assistant coach B said that either he or someone else would get back to head high-school coach 1 regarding this proposal. Subsequently, the assistant high-school coach was present when athletics representative A phoned to say that Alabama was interested in prospect 2. (It was August when head high-school coach 1 told the assistant high-school coach that athletics representative A was the person who phoned in May to express Alabama’s interest in prospect 2.)

In September 1999 a former high-school coach at another Memphis high school (henceforth, “the intermediary”) contacted the assistant high-school coach to tell him he represented someone interested in making a deal for prospect 2. The intermediary, who knew the assistant high-school coach through their mutual involvement in Memphis high-school football, sought and received assurance that head high-school coach 1 could be "controlled." The intermediary then told the assistant high-school coach that his "people" wanted to meet with head high-school coach 1. It was after this conversation that the assistant high-school coach concluded that the intermediary represented athletics representative A.

The next event that the assistant high-school coach reported about prospect 2’s recruitment occurred in early October 1999 on or about the seventh week of the football season. According to the assistant high-school coach, head high-school coach1 left in the middle of practice to take a call from athletics representative A, leaving the assistant high-school coach in charge of practice. Subsequent to the call, the former high-school coach picked head high-school coach 1 up at the school and drove the head high-school coach to meet with athletics representative A. A second assistant football coach and a student worker also corroborated that head high-school coach 1 left practice to take phone calls. After the head high-school coach returned, he took the assistant coach to a bank branch office, where the head high-school coach deposited a substantial amount of cash in the bank’s drop box. Head high-school coach 1 then drove them to a Memphis "gentleman’s club" and told the assistant high-school coach that athletics representative A had agreed to the deal, but athletics representative A wanted both coaches to purchase their vehicles with cash to avoid any "paper trail" associated with the automobile purchases. Head high-school coach 1 said he was to contact athletics representative A for additional payments, but if prospect 2 did not attend the institution, then athletics representative A expected his money back. The assistant high-school coach told head high-school coach 1 that he liked athletics representative A’s plan better because cash could not be traced. The assistant high-school coach said he and head high-school coach 1 agreed to buy their vehicles from two different dealerships, both of which employed individuals with whom the assistant high-school coach was acquainted.. Head high-school coach 1-s vehicle would come from a Memphis area dealership where the assistant high-school coach knew a salesman, and the assistant high-school coach’s vehicle would come from a dealership in Missouri, where his college roommate operated a Ford dealership.

In November and in response to a request from head high-school coach 1, the assistant high-school coach contacted the salesman at the Memphis area dealership to arrange for head high-school coach 1 to purchase a full-size SUV. The assistant high-school coach reported that the transaction was done over the telephone on a Thursday. Head high-school coach 1 told the salesman that he wanted to make a $5,000 down payment. The assistant high-school coach reported that on the following Monday, the SUV was delivered to head high-school coach 1 t the high school.

The institution obtained a document from the Memphis area dealership which appears to indicate that head high-school coach 1 used a cashier’s check from the bank previously identified by the assistant high-school coach to make a $5,000 down payment on a SUV purchased on November 15, 1999. Further, a sales consultant for the dealership, verified that head high-school coach 1 purchased a 2000 full-size SUV with a $5,000 down payment, at a cost of $36,959. The purchase of the vehicle was secured by through 60- month loan arranged with the parent car company’s financing corporation, consisting of $744 monthly payments.

The assistant high-school coach reported that some time after Thanksgiving 1999, head high-school coach 1 called athletics representative A to ask for Christmas money and the assistant high-school coach remembered head high-school coach 1 saying that he spent the money on travel and other items. After classes resumed in January, head high-school coach 1 told the assistant high-school coach that he had received a third payment from athletics representative A and had used some of the money on prospect 2’s official visits to NCAA member institutions, including the rental of vehicles to drive to the university’s campus.

Although head high-school coach 1’s gross earnings for the 1999-00 academic year were $37,207.85 and his monthly take-home pay was $1,805.42, several sources reported that he spent well beyond what was warranted at his income level. At least two individuals reported that head high-school coach 1’s standard of living noticeably improved and that his spending habits became lavish. The assistant high-school coach said that head high-school coach 1spent between $100 and $300 three to four times a week at a "gentlemen’s" club. Head high-school coach 1 also had a monthly car payment of $744 for the SUV. A head coach at another Memphis high school (henceforth, “head high-school coach 3”) reported that head high-school coach 1 also owned a new Chevrolet Super Sport. Head high-school coach 3 estimated head high-school coach 1’s rent at $700 to $900 a month (based on rent paid by head high-school coach 3’s son for a similar apartment) and said the apartment was full of new furniture and expensive entertainment equipment (DVD, television, etc.). According to an employee of a rental car agency, head high-school coach 1 spent $899.94 plus tax and gas for two Ford Expeditions and a Dodge Durango to drive prospect 2 and his mother to schools to make official paid visits.

The assistant high-school coach also reported that even though athletics representative A had agreed to head high-school coach 1’s terms and had already given $30,000 to head high-school coach 1, head high-school coach 1 continued to market prospect 2 to other institutions in an effort to obtain still more money. The assistant high-school coach said head high-school coach 1 needed $200,000 from another member institution in order to clear $100,000 and the cost of the SUVs as well as to repay the $30,000 advanced by athletics representative A. This information explains why head high-school coach 1 allowed other schools to continue recruiting prospect 2 even though a deal with athletics representative A had been struck.

In February 2000, prospect 2 signed a National Letter of Intent with the university. One night after prospect 2 signed, when the assistant coach and head high-school coach 1 were at a “gentleman’s club,” head high-school coach 1 reported that the deal had gone as planned. The two agreed that to avoid suspicion the assistant high-school should wait for May to buy his SUV. In May, head high-school coach 1 angered the assistant high-school coach by telling him he would need to wait longer before getting his car. This anger provoked the assistant high-school coach into exposing the deal.

Some time during summer 2000, the assistant high-school coach told prospect 2’s mother about the deal involving her son and he also called Alabama assistant coach B (while prospect 2’s mother was on the call) to tell him that head high-school 1 coach had reneged on the deal and had done nothing for either the assistant high-school coach or prospect 2’s mother. The assistant high-school coach gave head high-school coach 1’s cell phone number to Alabama assistant coach B. Alabama assistant coach B reported he would contact head high-school coach 1 and instruct him to go to prospect 2’s home and call Alabama assistant coach B from there as he wanted to speak with head high-school coach 1 about the matter in the presence of prospect 2’s mother. (Note: Alabama assistant coach B did not report receiving a call from the assistant high-school coach but personal phone records provided by the assistant high-school coach confirm a call to Alabama assistant coach B on July 10, 2000. Phone records from the institution show that Alabama assistant coach B placed a call to head high-school coach 1 immediately after the call from the assistant high-school coach.)

Subsequent to his conversation with Alabama assistant coach B, the assistant high-school coach reported to the intermediary that head high-school coach 1 had reneged on the deal and done nothing for prospect 2 or the young man’s mother. The intermediary replied, “Give me a day or two. I will get back with (athletics representative A) and tell him that (head high-school coach 1) reneged on the deal.” The intermediary also told the assistant high-school coach that he did not know how much money athletics representative A had given to head high-school coach 1 but he had seen that the envelope was thick. The intermediary later reported that athletics representative A was shocked by head high-school coach 1’s actions. The assistant high-school coach subsequently made one more call to Alabama assistant coach B on this matter. At this point, the assistant high-school coach also began to tell others about what he and head high-school coach 1 had planned, that head high-school coach 1 had received money, and that head high-school coach 1 had failed to give the assistant high-school coach the money promised to him to buy a car. Among the people the assistant high-school coach talked to was head high-school coach 3. In the summer of 2000, the witness told the NCAA that the assistant high-school coach was upset and might talk with NCAA enforcement staff. The staff first interviewed the assistant high-school coach on July 27, and a series of interviews ensued.

Much of the information supporting this finding, and also Finding II-D, originated with the assistant high-school coach. In addition to his interviews with the enforcement staff, the assistant high-school coach gave information both to the Memphis School Board and a federal prosecutor. Following these disclosures, the school board suspended him for one year and in August he pled guilty to federal charges for his role in the manipulation of prospect 2’s recruitment. The committee found the assistant high-school coach to be credible for several reasons: (1) much of the information he provided was against his own interest, subjecting him to criminal prosecution as well as loss of employment; (2) the information he provided was internally consistent; (3) his information was corroborated by at least 10 other individuals as well as by documentary evidence; and (4) his information was found credible by both the Memphis School Board and by the federal district judge who accepted his guilty plea.

The witness reported that, in January 2000, athletics representative A told him of cash payments made to head high-school coaches 1 and 2. The witness corroborated the assistant high-school coach with regard to the following significant details: (1) that athletics representative A paid money to head high-school coach 1; (2) that athletics representative A said he used a Black male as intermediary to deliver the money; and (3) that the assistant high-school coach and prospect 2’s mother were initially supposed to get something from the deal as well. (Note: the former high-school coach identified, as the intermediary is, in fact, African-American.)

Regarding the money payments in particular, the witness quoted athletics representative A as saying he “bought” prospect 2 at a cost of $40,000 to the head high-school coach, $40,000 to one of his assistants, and $35,000 to prospect 2’s mother (a total of $115,000). The witness also reported that athletics representative A boasted that, since 1994, he had “bought” every prospect out of Memphis signed by the university and that he also mentioned “we got (prospect 1) a car” (see Finding II-A). According to the witness, athletics representative A rationalized his “buying” of prospects as necessary to offset what he believed to be cheating by a Southeastern Conference rival, whose record of consecutive wins against the university he could explain in no other way.

Further confirmation of athletics representative A’s illicit involvement in the recruitment of prospect 2 was provided by the friend, who reported in an October 4, 2000, interview that athletics representative A said he would get the best players for the Alabama head football coach at the time and that the head coach would "be gone" if he failed to win. Athletics representative A also told the friend that he was “too smart to ever be caught by the NCAA” and that he once gave a luxury automobile to a head high-school coach after several prospective student-athletes from that high school signed with a rival institution in order to bring suspicion on that institution.

Head high-school coach 3 corroborated that head high-school coach 1 received a $10,000 cash payment in November, December and January for prospect 2 (with the balance to be paid in installments after prospect 2 signed), and that he was marketing high-school players to college recruiters. Like the assistant high-school coach, head high-school coach 3 reported that, by purchasing groceries and clothes for prospect 2, head high-school coach 1 could ensure that prospect 2 attended the university with which “the deal” was made because prospect 2’s mother trusted that he was looking out for her son’s best interest. Head high-school coach 1 told head high-school coach 3 that prospect 2’s mother cooperated when told that any college coach who talked to her son must go through head high-school coach 1. Head high-school coach 1 never specifically identified the institution that paid him for prospect 2, but head high-school coach 3 surmised that it was Alabama because head high-school coach 1 said Alabama assistant coach B put him in touch with the people who gave him the money. Head high-school coach 3 also heard that athletics representative A was probably involved in “the deal” for prospect 2. According to head high-school coach 3, he was told by an assistant coach at a second Southeastern Conference institution that this college coach could not recruit prospect 2 because he could not get into “a bidding war” with athletics representative A.

Head high-school coach 3 also reported that in the summer of 2000, before the assistant high-school coach was interviewed or contacted by the NCAA, the assistant high-school coach told him that prospect 2 had been “marketed,” and that he was upset with head high-school coach 1 because he failed to provide the vehicle and cash promised to the assistant high-school coach.

Coaches at other member institutions confirmed the brokering of prospect 2 by head high-school coach 1. These included three additional Southeastern Conference institutions For a total of five including Alabama, as well as an assistant football coach at a Big Ten institution. An assistant football coach at one of the Southeastern Conference schools reported that, at a meeting in head high-school coach 1’s apartment on January 18, 2000, head high-school coach 1 asked for $200,000 to deliver prospect 2. This assistant football coach reported that he asked what would happen if no institution came up with money for prospect 2 and that head high-school coach 1 replied that there was somebody already involved and that “Alabama was all about business.”

The assistant coach from the Big Ten school met with head high-school coach 1 on January 18, 2000, and was told that to recruit prospect 2 he would need to pay $50,000 within a week and an additional $150,000 on National Letter of Intent signing day. This assistant football coach reported asking if institutions were entertaining this demand, to which head high-school coach 1 answered that he had already received $50,000 from one school. Head high-school coach 1 told this assistant football coach that prospect 2 would attend the school that “anted up,” and the assistant coach would know on signing day which school it was.

Compelling supporting information for the culpability of athletics representative A as well as the credibility of the assistant high-school coach is reflected in telephone records set forth below, showing considerable contact between Alabama assistant coach B, athletics representative A and head high-school coach 1 during the time frame in which the recruitment of prospect 2 occurred, including four calls between October 5 and 7 (the seventh week of the high-school football season), the time frame reported by the assistant high-school coach as when head high-school coach 1 received a payment. The committee found of considerable relevance that on October 7 athletics representative A withdrew $9,000 from one of his accounts. In the “Purpose of Call” column are the explanations from Alabama assistant coach B and athletics representative A.

Pretty sure that Alabama isn’t #2 and playing football tonight. Getting nervous, USF Fan?

Tater Salad… bet you enjoyed seeing ’Bama win a game against Auburn in T-town as well

oh yeah…. sorry about that

TAFKATOSU said:

“I don’t even know why we (I) bother to even give Alabama half a thought”

Alabama is all you think about, bro. Can you go five minutes without images of bammer going through your head? Your obsessive compulsive about Alabama. Hell, you think about Bama more than most hardcore Bama fans think about their own damn school. Just let it go.

#12, PeterPumpkinHead

Wofford > Appalachian State > Michigan > Notre Dame > UCLA > Stanford > USC.

If Notre Dame hasn’t already spread the herpes, they will. After all, they are not allowed to wear a condom.

67-69

The MNC debate has been discussed ad nauseum here and on other sites, so I won’t get into it again.

Most Bama fans that ever resort to Got 12 are probably ignorant about a lot of things. Not because they are stupid for claiming 12, but because it’s a lame retort. Regardless of what anyone says, any college football fan realizes the history of the University of Alabama.

Not to mention, if you do bring MNCs up, boogers come out of the woodwork to argue about it. See this thread, attached hereto as Exhibit A. I’ve personally never heard anyone use that in an argument, except to piss off AU fans. For people who don’t care about the past, almost every AU fan I know can break down every Bama MNC as if they did a thesis on it. It’s actually a more popular topic of boogers than Bama fans. But whatever.

But dammit, this is UT week. Please, no more UA/AU stuff.

Top 5 EDSBS threadjacks:

1. Bama/Auburn (obviously)
2. My conference rawks/your conference sux
3. Sucking up to Orson
4. Domers/the World
5. tOSU Buckeyes/SEC Speed

Orson, please free us from this tiresome blog with fresh tasty repast

please…

Pitt has won 9 National Championships…it’s must be true since Steve Pederson said so.

TAFKATOSU, nobody has time for your shit.

I like puppies.

That is all.

Swindle, I’ll give you an autographed copy of your book for a new topic.

Does 3,267 words = half a thought?

#85

nope it rates as an obsession.

76—

Nope, didn’t get to see that. I would liked to have seen that. No reason for you to be sorry about it, though.

Although I did get to see DENNIS FRANCHIONE raise the roof, yeh, he actually did that, in Jordan-Hare Stadium in the most lopsided Iron Bowl in recent memory. That was entertaining.

damn near 100 comments on a “sorry our server’s down” post…Orson’s a fucking genius

This is what happens when you mock Bronson.

He comes from beyond the grave to give your blog’s server the proverbial Mandom dousing…if you know what I mean.

90#: That, or we’re all idiots. Ill take a lil from column A and a lil from column B.

TAFKA tOSUBuckeyes:

Regarding your post where you suggest everyone pare down to 10 teams, of the 11 in the Big 10, which one would you suggest they toss?

- Go the LIFO route and kick out JoePa?

- Go the academic route and toss Northwestern?

- Go the mullet route and kick out U of I and Purdue (nevermind, that gets you down to 9)….

Wow that’s an informative Bama post, TAFKAtOSUB! Thank you much, that was a good solid time eater.

Peter Pumpkinhead, I hate to bring this up, but I believe USC already has transitive football herpes.
 We lost to Stanford, who lost to UCLA, who lost to ND, who lost to Mich, who lost to App St…. BUT, the USC-Stanford game was the same day as the UCLA-ND game; do losses have to be in order for the herpes to spread?
Discuss.

but man- that Iron Bowl when we tied? that was a fucking game. Boy do i miss 1907…

actually, i think you guys were recruiting dirty that year too, so we claim that one!

Not that the discussion is bad… but this is a pretty extended delay of game on the server.

1. - yeah ohio state has been a sparkling example of a “clean” program lately huh?

98 comments and not one Red Cashion reference?

First Doooooowwwwwn!

100 posts on a no-topic type post. It’s like getting laid on a night you thought you were just going to study at the library. Either that or a lot of people feel the need to communicate.

Undefeated in T-Town, now that’s what I call lopsided. pass the tater salad.