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   Correction from the radio: As much as I love Forsett, the manly play where six Beavers were being dragged was courtesy of our tight end Craig Stevens.

   Comment by Avinash — October 15, 2007 @ 7:12 pm

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   I was following the 7 years that you had in your post-actually to 2000-I did not realize I had to dig back to 1999 as well. Go ahead in throw Ohio State losing to Miami on there as well then. I did not count Notre Dame games with natural rivals-though it would make sense to, but you did not go back and do the same with Florida-FSU and Clemson-South Carolina either.

   I know there are people who think the SEC is the best, I grew up a Big Ten fan in the South-who converted to Alabama during college-so I do not have the same hang-ups others do. I just find the “SEC is not the best” argument to have the same flaws as the “SEC is the world’s best conference” argument. The numbers bear it out to be as good as the Big Ten’s and Pac-10’s of NCAA football and that makes perfect sense to me.

   Comment by bamafanintigerland — October 15, 2007 @ 5:44 pm

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   #117 bamafan -

   The problem is your Big 10 records are wrong. PSU was 1-1 against Nebraska, 1-1 against Miami, 1-1 against USC (actually like 5-3 in an off and on series during the 90’s), 1-1 against Virginia. That brings the tally to 16-17. You also left out the Notre Dame games (understandable, actually). I’d have to add them up since 2000, but the Big 10 was of course 4-0 against ND this season alone.

   The point is the SEC raves about how great their conferenceis , but the numbers don’t add up. Look, I’ll be the first to admit the Big 10 is down this season. But I would stack the top 5 Big 10 teams against the top 5 SEC teams and expect pretty even results. The SEC does have more depth this season, so they would have an advantage against the middle and lower tier teams. But the difference between the conferences is not that great, regardless of what SEC fans like to believe…

   Comment by PSUfanNYC — October 15, 2007 @ 5:25 pm

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   The SEC is the best says SEC fans because thats the conference they watch every week and the teams they go for-they want their teams to be associated with the best. Now I wish some of the stupid comments will go away (SEC speed, SEC team’s beat up in each other and that is why they are better..). But the simple my dick is bigger conference fight is stupid as well. I mean I can do the same with the Big Ten:
   Penn state: 0-2 B.C. 0-1 Nebraska (away), 1-1 Notre Dame, 0-1 USC, 0-1 Miami (Fl.), 0-1 Virginia
   Ohio State 2-0 Washington, 2-0 N.C. State, 1-1 Texas, 1-0 Arizona, 0-1 UCLA
   Michigan: 0-2 Oregon, 0-1 UCLA, 0-1 Washington
   Iowa: 0-1 Kansas State, 0-1 Nebraska, 1-1 Arizona State
   Wisconsin: 1-1 Oregon, 1-0 Virginia, 2-0 West Virginia

   a totally unimpressive 12-17 (say thank you to Ohio State)-I will say the Big Ten has shown more balls about leaving their state sometimes. I am sure I left some teams that I should not have, but I just picked some of the “big” time teams in the Big Ten. What I have learned is that the Pac-10 is the best conference.

   Comment by bamafanintigerland — October 15, 2007 @ 4:53 pm

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   I didn’t say whether or not it made sense or not (and no, I don’t think either team is scared), just that it happened. Could be a superiority complex thing?

   I do know that Pat Forde mentioned it in an article prior to the 2005 (or maybe 2006?) season, and there have been a few local writers who have said it, too. I’ve been trying to find other sources, but it’s hard to google something like that, but in my attempt to do so, I read specualtion the UGA approached Michgian as well, and were turned down.

   Comment by MiseanAuFan — October 15, 2007 @ 1:52 pm

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   How is it we know Auburn requested such an arrangement and OSU and Michigan both refused? Do you really think the reason is that OSU and Michigan are afraid of Auburn? OSU is playing USC(the trojans) home and home, Miami Hurricanes home and home, Virginia Tech home and home, Oklahoma Sooners home and home………………is it that Auburn is just too scary to play? Something just isn’t making sense here.

   Comment by justanotherbuckeye — October 15, 2007 @ 1:36 pm

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   All that I said was that Michigan and OSU have refused to play Auburn (and Michigan, Alabama) in home-and-home arrangements in recent years, and that the two schools have a history of not playing in the southeast (like- ever!). You point out Bama dropping PSU (again, I said nothing about Penn St), but as you said, they rescheduled, so the “two-way street” argument isn’t strengthened, if Alabama merely delays the date to a later year.

   As for the rest of your post, if it was directed at me, where did I mention who was the best conference? Seems I struck a nerve! You may want to fact-check a little, too.

   Comment by MiseanAuFan — October 15, 2007 @ 11:57 am

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   #111 - Bama pulled out of the PSU game in 2005. Granted, they eventually rescheduled in 2010-2011, but in the middle of the Shula fiasco, they didn’t want to get humiliated by a Big 10 team, either on the road or at home. So yes, it’s a two-way street.

   The SEC greatness myth is infuriating, simply because it’s purely based on SEC promotion rather than facts. Here are some SEC vs. Big 10 facts (ie, truth, logic, etc). Arguments are futile:

   1. Big 10 was 3-1 against the SEC last year, including 2-1 in bowls.

   2. Big 10 is 8-6 against the SEC over the past 5 years in bowls.

   3. The SEC plays notoriously soft non-conference schedules, thus having no objective comparison with other conferences. When they have played “big time” non-conference programs, they’ve done poorly. Over the past 7 years:

   Bama 0-2 vs. Okahoma and 0-2 vs. UCLA, 0-1 vs. FSU, Auburn 0-2 vs USC, 1-1 vs Georgia Tech, 2-0 vs. K-State/Wash State (both at home), Tennessee 0-2 vs. Notre Dame, 1-1 vs. Cal, Florida 0-2 vs. Miami, Arkansas 0-2 vs. USC, LSU 1-0 vs. VA Tech at home, Georgia 2-0 vs. Colorado, 2-0 vs. Clemson. The rivalries of South Carolina/Clemson and Florida/Florida State shouldn’t really count, but even so I think the UF and USC are a combined 7-7 against their rivals over the past 7 years (not 100% sure on that one, and no time to look it up now).

   So, that’s 9-15 without the rivalry games, and 16-22 with. Very unimpressive for the so-called best conference. So, I ask all you blindly loyal SEC fans: why is your conference the best? And please, use fact rather than pure conjecture…

   Comment by PSUfanNYC — October 15, 2007 @ 11:12 am

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   There should be blood shed in atonement for soccer every being brought up. Seriously motherfucker, soccer? Go play intramurals brother.

   Comment by LSUJoshua — October 15, 2007 @ 8:27 am

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    #109, my bad.

    #110, read my first sentence again- Auburn has tried to play both Michigan and OSU (and Bama, Michigan) in home-and-home arrangements in the past 5 years, and both Big 10 teams have declined. There very well may be other SEC teams that have had this happen, but I’m only speaking from what I know, so as far as Auburn and Bama go, it’s a one-way street (ND did the same thing to both schools recently, as well).

    The rest of my statement was to show the scarcity of the Big 2 coming down south, but yes, it could be that the SEC teams weren’t trying to schedule the Big 10 teams either, but note that several SEC teams have played in Ann Arbor during the 85 year hiatus of them coming to play at an SEC stadium.

    Comment by MiseanAUFan — October 15, 2007 @ 7:52 am

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