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Blog Goliard says:
Good point, Land of Os. I did say college football is an imperfect and messy version of the league system, with too many damn teams in I-A being a prime handicap.
Which is why we have conferences. Every conference is its own league, forging its own MNC candidate each year in the crucible of conference play. (Okay, in some conferences that’s more of a toaster oven than a crucible…but you get the idea.)
Add in some intersectional matchups and bowl games, and account for the fact that the great majority of Division I-A teams can be safely dismissed as MNC candidates from day one, and you’ve got just enough opportunities to sort contenders from pretenders for the whole mess to work.
Most of the time.
October 14th, 2007 at 11:17 pm
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Blog Goliard says:
In other news…holy schnikes! Boise State vs. Nevada is finally over. *Four* overtimes. That game threatened to go on longer than that post of mine upthread.
136 points scored on the Smurf Turf. If you had the over in this game, +1 to you!
If you want to tinker with college football, why not start with the overtime system instead. Crazy, stat-inflating, fluky stuff that.
October 14th, 2007 at 11:21 pm
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GTSteve says:
Watching LSU lose to Kentucky was infuriating to me. Not because I’m an LSU fan with purple tigers all over my house. Not because I regard the state of Kentucky as a collection of rednecks who finally managed to stop being the doormat of the SEC. But because LSU was the only team that was good that hadn’t fallen to BIZARRO YEAR.
Now we’re comparing Kentucky to Ohio State in a sport other than basketball. The University of South Florida is number 2 in the nation. USC, Cal, Florida, etc. are all out of the top 10. I just don’t know if I can take this broken reality.
October 14th, 2007 at 11:37 pm
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Jeff says:
The talk from SEC teams about tOSU’s schedule rings a little hollow.
I’ll concede that the SEC appears to be the best conference in the country, and further, that tOSU’s schedule isn’t all that special. They beat U-Dub at U-Dub, which at least has to count for something.
LSU certainly has a better win with their romp over VT, and South Carolina’s win @ UNC I think might look pretty good at the end of the year – ultimately that probably will be pretty close to being on par with winning in Seattle. Other than that, the SEC doesn’t have any other road wins against BCS conferences. The other good OOC wins in the conference (UK over UofL, UGA over OKSt, Aub over K-State) were all at home.
My point being, basically when we’re talking about cross-conference comparisons, it’s become a big “trust me, the SEC is better because I said it’s better….” I can scarcely remember when the SEC and B10/11 have scheduled against each in the regular season, at least among the major powers of each conference. That’s pretty much a two-way street, no?
To me, that’s the biggest downfall to not having a playoff system – the number of quality OOC games seemingly have diminished. Maybe it’s just a perception issue, but I think a lot of AD’s have concluded it’s a far more profitable decision to schedule three-to-four wins, than to schedule a big matchup to build the resume.
October 14th, 2007 at 11:45 pm
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RodBeck says:
For those who are curious, here’s the AP voter that kept LSU at #1:
http://www.mercextra.com/blogs/collegesports/2007/10/14/my-ap-top-25-the-new-no-1-is-the-old-no-1/
South Carolina is his #2. I’m sure y’all will enjoy that he has OSU at #7 as well.
What a wild game up in Boise tonight as well. Very entertaining, though defense was very much optional. Nevada’s QB was a lot of fun to watch.
October 15th, 2007 at 12:02 am
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El Hombre says:
I may be biased, but HOW THE HELL IS KANSAS RANKED IN THE TOP 15?
Seriously, the strongest team they’ve played is K-State (and it only took a late interception to beat them). They get the bad half of the Big 12 South this year and probably won’t have a meaningful game until they play Nebraska (who is looking more and more like a paper tiger) or even Mizzou.
October 15th, 2007 at 12:51 am
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MiseanAUFan says:
I can scarcely remember when the SEC and B10/11 have scheduled against each in the regular season, at least among the major powers of each conference. That’s pretty much a two-way street, no?
As far as Auburn goes, I know that it isn’t a two-way street. Both tOSU and Michigan have both refused to play a home-and-home series with them (within the past 5 years). I think Michigan did the same with Bama, too.
The last time Michigan played in an SEC stadium? 1985, but South Carolina was still an ACC team. So the last time Mchigan played against in SEC stadium against an SEC team? Vandy in 1922 (when the SEC was called the Southern Conference, which, ironically is the name of App State’s conference now).
Same question, but applied to Ohio State? In 1987, they DID play in Baton Rogue, but the previous time they played an SEC team on the road in a non-neutral site was Vandy in 1908 (when the SEC was known as the SIAA).
I’m not going to speak for the rest of the Big 10, but the two at the top of the grand pecking order of the conference seem to have a history of avoiding playing in SEC stadiums.
October 15th, 2007 at 6:13 am
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Mukaikubo says:
“I may be biased, but HOW THE HELL IS KANSAS RANKED IN THE TOP 15?”
1. They’re unbeaten, which is an increasingly rare distinction
2. They’ve dominated the cupcakes they’ve played, which is another rare distinction
It’s not enough for a top 5 berth, but it’ll do.
October 15th, 2007 at 6:41 am
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The Slacker says:
#107, in 1985 SC had already left the ACC (1970) and was in their midst of their dark years as a GDI. Not like that fact helps out the big televens argument or nothin…
October 15th, 2007 at 7:14 am
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justanotherbuckeye says:
#107,
It’s a 2-way street my friend……….why is it Michigan and OSU avoiding, could it possibly be the other way around?
October 15th, 2007 at 7:15 am
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MiseanAUFan says:
#109, my bad.
#110, read my first sentence again- Auburn has tried to play both Michigan and OSU (and Bama, Michigan) in home-and-home arrangements in the past 5 years, and both Big 10 teams have declined. There very well may be other SEC teams that have had this happen, but I’m only speaking from what I know, so as far as Auburn and Bama go, it’s a one-way street (ND did the same thing to both schools recently, as well).
The rest of my statement was to show the scarcity of the Big 2 coming down south, but yes, it could be that the SEC teams weren’t trying to schedule the Big 10 teams either, but note that several SEC teams have played in Ann Arbor during the 85 year hiatus of them coming to play at an SEC stadium.
October 15th, 2007 at 7:52 am
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LSUJoshua says:
There should be blood shed in atonement for soccer every being brought up. Seriously motherfucker, soccer? Go play intramurals brother.
October 15th, 2007 at 8:27 am
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PSUfanNYC says:
#111 – Bama pulled out of the PSU game in 2005. Granted, they eventually rescheduled in 2010-2011, but in the middle of the Shula fiasco, they didn’t want to get humiliated by a Big 10 team, either on the road or at home. So yes, it’s a two-way street.
The SEC greatness myth is infuriating, simply because it’s purely based on SEC promotion rather than facts. Here are some SEC vs. Big 10 facts (ie, truth, logic, etc). Arguments are futile:
1. Big 10 was 3-1 against the SEC last year, including 2-1 in bowls.
2. Big 10 is 8-6 against the SEC over the past 5 years in bowls.
3. The SEC plays notoriously soft non-conference schedules, thus having no objective comparison with other conferences. When they have played “big time” non-conference programs, they’ve done poorly. Over the past 7 years:
Bama 0-2 vs. Okahoma and 0-2 vs. UCLA, 0-1 vs. FSU, Auburn 0-2 vs USC, 1-1 vs Georgia Tech, 2-0 vs. K-State/Wash State (both at home), Tennessee 0-2 vs. Notre Dame, 1-1 vs. Cal, Florida 0-2 vs. Miami, Arkansas 0-2 vs. USC, LSU 1-0 vs. VA Tech at home, Georgia 2-0 vs. Colorado, 2-0 vs. Clemson. The rivalries of South Carolina/Clemson and Florida/Florida State shouldn’t really count, but even so I think the UF and USC are a combined 7-7 against their rivals over the past 7 years (not 100% sure on that one, and no time to look it up now).
So, that’s 9-15 without the rivalry games, and 16-22 with. Very unimpressive for the so-called best conference. So, I ask all you blindly loyal SEC fans: why is your conference the best? And please, use fact rather than pure conjecture…
October 15th, 2007 at 11:12 am
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MiseanAuFan says:
All that I said was that Michigan and OSU have refused to play Auburn (and Michigan, Alabama) in home-and-home arrangements in recent years, and that the two schools have a history of not playing in the southeast (like- ever!). You point out Bama dropping PSU (again, I said nothing about Penn St), but as you said, they rescheduled, so the “two-way street” argument isn’t strengthened, if Alabama merely delays the date to a later year.
As for the rest of your post, if it was directed at me, where did I mention who was the best conference? Seems I struck a nerve! You may want to fact-check a little, too.
October 15th, 2007 at 11:57 am
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justanotherbuckeye says:
How is it we know Auburn requested such an arrangement and OSU and Michigan both refused? Do you really think the reason is that OSU and Michigan are afraid of Auburn? OSU is playing USC(the trojans) home and home, Miami Hurricanes home and home, Virginia Tech home and home, Oklahoma Sooners home and home………………is it that Auburn is just too scary to play? Something just isn’t making sense here.
October 15th, 2007 at 1:36 pm
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MiseanAuFan says:
I didn’t say whether or not it made sense or not (and no, I don’t think either team is scared), just that it happened. Could be a superiority complex thing?
I do know that Pat Forde mentioned it in an article prior to the 2005 (or maybe 2006?) season, and there have been a few local writers who have said it, too. I’ve been trying to find other sources, but it’s hard to google something like that, but in my attempt to do so, I read specualtion the UGA approached Michgian as well, and were turned down.
October 15th, 2007 at 1:52 pm
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bamafanintigerland says:
The SEC is the best says SEC fans because thats the conference they watch every week and the teams they go for-they want their teams to be associated with the best. Now I wish some of the stupid comments will go away (SEC speed, SEC team’s beat up in each other and that is why they are better..). But the simple my dick is bigger conference fight is stupid as well. I mean I can do the same with the Big Ten:
Penn state: 0-2 B.C. 0-1 Nebraska (away), 1-1 Notre Dame, 0-1 USC, 0-1 Miami (Fl.), 0-1 Virginia
Ohio State 2-0 Washington, 2-0 N.C. State, 1-1 Texas, 1-0 Arizona, 0-1 UCLA
Michigan: 0-2 Oregon, 0-1 UCLA, 0-1 Washington
Iowa: 0-1 Kansas State, 0-1 Nebraska, 1-1 Arizona State
Wisconsin: 1-1 Oregon, 1-0 Virginia, 2-0 West Virginia
a totally unimpressive 12-17 (say thank you to Ohio State)-I will say the Big Ten has shown more balls about leaving their state sometimes. I am sure I left some teams that I should not have, but I just picked some of the “big” time teams in the Big Ten. What I have learned is that the Pac-10 is the best conference.
October 15th, 2007 at 4:53 pm
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PSUfanNYC says:
#117 bamafan –
The problem is your Big 10 records are wrong. PSU was 1-1 against Nebraska, 1-1 against Miami, 1-1 against USC (actually like 5-3 in an off and on series during the 90’s), 1-1 against Virginia. That brings the tally to 16-17. You also left out the Notre Dame games (understandable, actually). I’d have to add them up since 2000, but the Big 10 was of course 4-0 against ND this season alone.
The point is the SEC raves about how great their conferenceis , but the numbers don’t add up. Look, I’ll be the first to admit the Big 10 is down this season. But I would stack the top 5 Big 10 teams against the top 5 SEC teams and expect pretty even results. The SEC does have more depth this season, so they would have an advantage against the middle and lower tier teams. But the difference between the conferences is not that great, regardless of what SEC fans like to believe…
October 15th, 2007 at 5:25 pm
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bamafanintigerland says:
I was following the 7 years that you had in your post-actually to 2000-I did not realize I had to dig back to 1999 as well. Go ahead in throw Ohio State losing to Miami on there as well then. I did not count Notre Dame games with natural rivals-though it would make sense to, but you did not go back and do the same with Florida-FSU and Clemson-South Carolina either.
I know there are people who think the SEC is the best, I grew up a Big Ten fan in the South-who converted to Alabama during college-so I do not have the same hang-ups others do. I just find the “SEC is not the best” argument to have the same flaws as the “SEC is the world’s best conference” argument. The numbers bear it out to be as good as the Big Ten’s and Pac-10’s of NCAA football and that makes perfect sense to me.
October 15th, 2007 at 5:44 pm
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Avinash says:
Correction from the radio: As much as I love Forsett, the manly play where six Beavers were being dragged was courtesy of our tight end Craig Stevens.
October 15th, 2007 at 7:12 pm