JIM LEAVITT SETTLES A SCORE ON SCORES
A good solid coaching tiff is just the thing to close the day on, we think, and no better coach to involve than Nick Saban, Alabama coach. (By definition, being head coach at Alabama equals being a ball of tar for any tiny story to stick to like so many downy feathers. It also means being paid 4 million dollars a year. No tears, please.)
Saban irked Jim Leavitt, USF coach, with the following comments in a Ray Melick piece in the Birmingham News:
“Speak slowly, people. USF grads are in the audience.”“The distribution of players is not the same for everybody. There’s a significant amount of players who don’t qualify [at some schools] and they end up being pretty good players at some other schools. I think there are six guys starting on South Florida’s defense who probably could have gone to Florida or Florida State but Florida and Florida State couldn’t take them. And if you do a good job of recruiting that way …”
Leavitt snapped back in a response in the Tampa Tribune, not dissing Saban specifically, but certainly pooping on the idea that USF’s academic standards were giving them an edge of any sort in recruiting.
“I’m not down on [Saban]. Whoever gave him that information needs to correct it. Certainly this person [Birmingham News reporter Ray Melick], what right does he have to write an article without verifying all the facts. This is why I get disturbed sometimes, because now this article goes out.
He stopped shy of calling the piece “GARBAGE” or mentioning his age in conjunction with the story, but Leavitt certainly has a point. The Bulls’ starting running back Mike Ford initially accepted a scholarship offer to the Crimson Tide, as did teammate Jamar Taylor. USF also sits in the middle of America’s football-mad fourth largest state, which is nice for a start-up/upstart looking to feed off some gilded trimmings from Florida/Florida State/Miami.
(Oh, and they’ve got Singlet Guy. You can’t forget Singlet Guy.)
Saban’s had a rough week with the media in general. One exchange had him getting fed back his own words by a reporter in a testy faceoff at the week’s presser.
Reporter: (Oh, he’s going to get his question in) “You mentioned Monday that it could affect recruiting.”
Saban:…”I did?
We cannot overstate how awesome we think it is that Alabama really matters again as a football program, both because it’s restores some certainties to the universe and gives us the docudramedy that is Alabama football fandom. Throwing the mercurial Dark Lord Saban into this mix is something special, indeed–sometimes you can almost see him consulting the “Intergalactik Gyde to Hu–Mann Behavyur” he keeps under his cape during press conferences.









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OhioDawg says:
Check out the guy behind singlet guy. Paunchy white guy reprezentin? Or is that the shocker symbol he was shooting to singlet guy for later in the evening?
October 3rd, 2007 at 5:36 am
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Charles Thorpe says:
Not qualifying at Alabama is like Head Start saying no to a 4yr old from the projects.
October 3rd, 2007 at 6:45 am
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Lawrence says:
It’s always enlightening when football fans get together to discuss academics……
October 3rd, 2007 at 6:46 am
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Bama93 says:
Unless you went to Vandy, I don’t think any of us SEC fans should be tossing academic stones. Let’s be honest, if you can’t get into Bama or the barn or MSU etc…, then you have some serious issues that can only be corrected at places like USF.
Ford didn’t qualify out of high school, went to Hargrave for 1 year and, again, didn’t qualify. He then went to JUCO for 2 years and again didn’t get into Bama.
Viola! New starter at RB for USF. Saban’s right on this one folks but who cares? He should have never brought it up. Just don’t put the singlets on your schedule and everything will be fine.
October 3rd, 2007 at 7:31 am
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OhioDawg says:
#52 – I believe Vandy’s a really, really good school. They’ve got the numbers and the rankings etc. It’s funny, though, that of the 4 people I know well who went there, 3 of them are dolts.
Ted Kaczynski and Jeff Skilling went to Harvard. All Harvard grads must be killers and/or assholes.
October 3rd, 2007 at 8:04 am
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NewAZTiger says:
Tommy Tuberville has been leaving after the season for the past 5 Alabama Head Coaches.
October 3rd, 2007 at 8:16 am
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Erdinger says:
Didn’t Larry Grant commit to Florida, fail to qualify, then end up at Ohio State?
October 3rd, 2007 at 8:18 am
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Biggus Rickus says:
SEC standards basically break down like so: Vandy is in a class of its own. After that Florida and Georgia have relatively high standards. The bulk of the conference falls slightly below those two schools, Alabama, Auburn, Ole Miss, South Carolina, Tennessee, Arkansas, Kentucky and LSU. And then comes MSU, who is as selective as USF. And we’ve seen how much that helps them. The fact is that there are enough football players who can qualify (unless your standards are insanely high like Vandy’s) that you shouldn’t bitch because a team with lower standards beats you.
October 3rd, 2007 at 8:22 am
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that 5.0 guy @ work! says:
Am I the only one that thought at first glance this story had something to do with the strip club “Scores”? I was almost expecting that Saban was going to tell a crazy-ass story about Leavitt and him bumming around town hitting all the sleezy strip-joints they could and getting crazy lit.
Otherwise known as “a regular tuesday night” in Tampa.
October 3rd, 2007 at 8:27 am
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dmiller says:
Of course Coach Saban is correct here. His singling out of South Florida reeks of asshattery, however.
The real irony is this…are we really hearing a head coach at The University of Alabama, a school who not too long ago had a booster busted for paying 200 large for a defensive lineman, bitch about how much of advantage these other schools have?
Oh, and does anyone else believe that Saban isn’t going to be in Tuscaloosa for long? He’s been there less than a year and he’s already showing signs of frustration with that batshit-crazy fan base and media.
October 3rd, 2007 at 8:32 am
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dmiller says:
#56…
MSU’s admission standards are as strict as any of the other schools in Mississippi, and on par with everyone else in the SEC if you’re talking about athletics. On the academic side, when I was in high school, Ole Miss was a heckuva lot easier to get in than State was.
October 3rd, 2007 at 8:35 am
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Allahver Fist says:
#52
“Viola!” – Oh, man, you’re cracking me up.
In other news: Yeah, UGA might have lofty admission requirements, but they pretty much fade after that first day of school.
October 3rd, 2007 at 8:36 am
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NoleinTexas says:
Why is this a story? I think it’s pretty much assumed as fact.
From FSU’s perspective, the AD pretty much told the football program that they were going to up standards (from dullard to mouth-breathing troglodyte) two years ago and to be slightly more selective with who they went after. As mentioned above, that’s pretty much how Devine ended up at WVU.
The ACC has also cracked down, which is pissing off a lot of coaches that recruit in SEC territory.
October 3rd, 2007 at 8:44 am
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HFS says:
Tommy Tuberville has been leaving after the season for the past 5 Alabama Head Coaches.
Yep. And one of the times he was rumored to be going to A&M, they ended up hiring bama’s coach instead.
October 3rd, 2007 at 8:49 am
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Out of Conference says:
Damn… I just figured it out. tosubuckeyes guy is Jim Delaney!
October 3rd, 2007 at 8:50 am
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Sabanite says:
For the record, Saban was asked how non-traditional football powers were able to become so competitive so quickly. He responded that SEC and ACC standards regarding partial qualifiers were higher than conferences such as the Big East. He mentioned USF solely based on the Bama-Mike Ford experience… and the fact that USF fans wear singlets and USF Hockey t-shirts to the games.
October 3rd, 2007 at 8:51 am
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NewAZTiger says:
HFS – Interesting that you say that.
College Station is close to Louisianna, Major Applewhite is from A&M’s rival and can recruit Texas, and Saban doesn’t have a buyout.
When Sexton is involved, one of his other client’s names is bandied about first for the job, but the initial rumors are NEVER the coach that takes the job.
A&M has the talent to turn this thing aruond in under 2 years, instead of the 4+ year “process” that is being bandied about in state.
Now, which big-name coach client of Sexton doesn’t have a buy-out?
October 3rd, 2007 at 8:52 am
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The Last Dragon says:
#38 I love tOSU Buckeye douchebag calling out Sherman Williams. He must have forgotten all about Mo Claret. Dumb ass……
October 3rd, 2007 at 8:55 am
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HFS says:
By the time Mike Ford was out of Juco, he was eligible to play at bama. But he chose not to play at bama, because the coach that recruited him had been fired:
http://www.tbo.com/sports/MGBAO0M3A6F.html
“He stayed and worked on his grades and kept the dream of playing at a big-time school. He probably would have gone to Alabama, but then Mike Shula – who had recruited him – was fired as coach. The calls started coming in again from schools who hadn’t forgotten him.”
http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061228/SPORTS/612280450/1006
“Alabama said Mike was already qualified and he was going there because of the people who recruited him, but that changed.”
October 3rd, 2007 at 9:00 am
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HFS says:
NewAZTiger -
Quick! Submit that info to footballrumormill.com! (Your leading source for Tuberville-is-going-somewhere rumors.)
October 3rd, 2007 at 9:08 am
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NewAZTiger says:
HFS – why? You know, the last time the state media was running around saying Tuberville to A&M, Franchione swept the rug out from under Alabama.
I’d say the same scenario is going down, and so far, the state media is playing it’s part.
October 3rd, 2007 at 9:32 am
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Crabs says:
I think you are all missing the point here. You don’t have to parse his words or fact-check his statements to come to the conclusion that ……
Nick Saban is a dick.
October 3rd, 2007 at 9:35 am
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The Artist Formerly Known as tOSUBuckeyes says:
#62 OOC
Someone finally figured it out – cocktails to you.
October 3rd, 2007 at 9:50 am
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Biggus Rickus says:
59,
Jamar Cheney, for one, would seem to indicate otherwise.
October 3rd, 2007 at 9:57 am
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Anonymous IV says:
Dmiller, you have got to be joking that Mississippi State has higher academic standards than the University of Mississippi?!? But speaking about academics and football student athletes unless you are playing in the Ivy League or certain schools with high academic standards I am quite sure that every football program has a few guys that have to stop walking in order to chew the gum in their mouth.
Also just because someone went to a more prestigious school does not mean they are intelligent. Legacy students at schools with high academic standards for the most part are idiots. From what I hear that is why MIT students consider most Harvard students to be nothing more than semi-efficient exchangers of oxygen and carbon dioxide.
October 3rd, 2007 at 9:57 am
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dmiller says:
Anonymous IV -
It’s foolish to say the academic standards at either of the Mississippi Schools are higher than the other. They are both state universities and they, as a result, have similar entrance requirements. All the rest of it is just homerist, “my school is smarter than yours” BS.
20 years ago, when I was looking at colleges, MSU was more difficult to get academic scholarships from(read: required higher ACT scores) than Ole Miss. That’s not the same thing as “admission standards” and I should’ve clairified that.
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:06 am
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NewAZTiger says:
#70 – What’s so hard about beating Florida?
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:26 am
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crimson daddy says:
the Artist Formerly Known as tosuBuckeyes……
sandwich or tattoo?
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:41 am
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Thor says:
Hey Look intelligence conversation!
U.S. News and world report top 125 average school ranking.
#1 ACC-12 Schools ranked, avg. of 50, Top School-Duke (8) Bottom School-FSU (112)
#2 Big 10-11 Schools ranked, avg of 51.4, Top School-Northwestern (14), Bottom School-Indiana (75)
# 3 Pac 10-9 Schools ranked avg. of 63.2, Top School Stanford (4), Bottom School Arizona St. (124), School missing is Oregon State.
#4 SEC 9 Schools ranked avg. of 85.3, Top school-Vandy (19), bottom school Arkansas (124), Missing schools are LSU, Miss State, and Ole Miss
#5 Big 12-10 Schools ranked avg. of 84.4, Top School is Texas (44), Bottom School is Kansas State (124), Missing schools are Oklahoma State and Texas Tech
#6 Big East 5 Schools ranked avg. of 58, Top School Syracuse (50) Bottom School Uconn (64) Missing schools are USF, Cincinnati, and West Virginia
The SEC is ranked Higher than the Big 12 and Big East is b/c the top school in the SEC is ranked so much higher than the highest of Big 12, and the averages are very close, and even though the Big East has a high average, they only have 5 schools to go on and the top school is ranked 50th.
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:42 am
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The Last Dragon says:
I don’t think too many of us on this board care how smart our team’s players are as long as they win. That makes this argument pretty much useless.
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:03 am
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not-so-innocent bystander says:
Not sure about any of the other schools, but minimum ACT requirement at Auburn is 24, Alabama 20
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:12 am
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crimson daddy says:
not-so-innocent…
not for athletes
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:33 am
83
Steve says:
Saban isn’t leaving Bama without a decent amount of years under his belt.
If he leaves Bama fast, he’d be screwing himself because no one would want to hire him, for fear of him leaving them hanging.
October 3rd, 2007 at 12:25 pm
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Steve says:
#78,
You’re so full of shit your eyes are brown.
There’s no way that the Irons brothers scored anywhere close to a 24.
October 3rd, 2007 at 12:27 pm
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Steve says:
Not even combined.
October 3rd, 2007 at 12:28 pm
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Stacy Keibler Luvs Me says:
Everyone is laughing at Saban’s cracks about Bama’s academic superiority. What is next? Saban bragging that the red-neckery in his part of the woods is not as bad as Auburns?
October 3rd, 2007 at 12:53 pm
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Tater Salad says:
I’m confused as to how Auburn has a minimum 24 ACT requirement, yet the 2006 class, per AU’s own website, had an average ACT score of 24?
October 3rd, 2007 at 1:55 pm
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The Artist Formerly Known as tOSUBuckeyes says:
#80
Saban can leave whenever he wants and it will not be an issue. Two reasons why: 1. he has no buyout and all he really needs to do is agree to a large buyout at his next school-after that he can tell the media “hey, you knew I had no buyout and Alabama agreed to a contract with no buyout. I have a buyout here.” 2. Everyone is the country will completely understand if he leaves-everyone know how insane Alabama is and the only people in the country who will care that he left Alabama are Alabama fans.
October 3rd, 2007 at 2:05 pm
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dash says:
Saban was asked a question and he gave an answer that was in fact truthful. If Spurrier had said it then you’d all be nodding your heads in total agreement. It’s a fact that the SEC forces it’s schools to have a higher admission standards than the NCAA minimum requirements. Don’t let your blind hatred of Saban get in the way of the simple truth. And yes, I am a graduate of The University of Alabama. It may be a shock to some of you, but we can spell and write complete sentences.
October 3rd, 2007 at 2:19 pm
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Erik says:
Some schools/conferences can accept partial qualifiers, some schools/confernces cannot. Apparently The Big East is one that does accept them. (Noel Devine, Mike Ford)
Ole Miss had a Four Star DL last year that couldn’t make the grades in the SEC, but Troy sure signed him.
October 3rd, 2007 at 3:59 pm
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Jerrell Powe says:
dis iz makn my hed hert
October 3rd, 2007 at 4:14 pm
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Jerrell Powe says:
dis iz given mee a hedacke.
October 3rd, 2007 at 4:26 pm
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UCLA Mob says:
How many kids on Alabama’s roster had the grades and test scores to get into Vandy?
October 3rd, 2007 at 7:08 pm
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NewAZTiger says:
Apparently, Melick changed Saban’s quote. Saban originally used the phrase “Prop 48″…
So we’ve got Coonass and Prop48…
Pretty soon, Saban is going to remake an NWA album.
October 3rd, 2007 at 8:37 pm
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Thor says:
#89
How long did it take you to write that? Have to be sooo very careful when you talk about how much smarter you are than your fan base.
October 4th, 2007 at 1:11 pm
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Academic says:
Average academic ranking (US news reports) for BCS schools (assuming 131 for tier 3 school. Tier 1-2 has 130 schools)
1. ACC – 50
2. Big-10 51.4
3. Pac-10 70.0
4. Big-12 92.2
5. Big East – 94.5
6. SEC – 96.8
SEC:
East
Florida 49
Georgia 59
Kentucky 122
South Carolina 112
Tennessee 96
Vanderbilt 19
West
Alabama 91
Arkansas 124
Auburn 96
Louisiana State 131
Mississippi 131
Mississippi State 131
Big East:
Cincinnati 131
Connecticut 64
Louisville 131
Pittsburgh 59
Rutgers 59
South Florida 131
Syracuse 50
West Virginia 131
Essentially, on average, SEC=Big 12=Big East
October 5th, 2007 at 10:49 am
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Scott says:
@Erik, The Big East no longer accepts non-qualifiers (they haven’t for the last three years). If Noel Devine did not meet NCAA admission standards he would not be playing this year.
October 5th, 2007 at 11:24 am
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Bull says:
This is why I got accepted into UF and deferred from USF the first time, right Saban? And the fact that it was published in my hometown newspaper that a UF recruit “finally made a 900 SAT score and may now attend the university.” Truth of the matter is if a school wants you, they’ll get you. And last time I checked Alabama didn’t require any phenomenal academic requirements…
October 7th, 2007 at 11:06 pm