JIM LEAVITT SETTLES A SCORE ON SCORES
A good solid coaching tiff is just the thing to close the day on, we think, and no better coach to involve than Nick Saban, Alabama coach. (By definition, being head coach at Alabama equals being a ball of tar for any tiny story to stick to like so many downy feathers. It also means being paid 4 million dollars a year. No tears, please.)
Saban irked Jim Leavitt, USF coach, with the following comments in a Ray Melick piece in the Birmingham News:
"Speak slowly, people. USF grads are in the audience.""The distribution of players is not the same for everybody. There's a significant amount of players who don't qualify [at some schools] and they end up being pretty good players at some other schools. I think there are six guys starting on South Florida's defense who probably could have gone to Florida or Florida State but Florida and Florida State couldn't take them. And if you do a good job of recruiting that way ..."
Leavitt snapped back in a response in the Tampa Tribune, not dissing Saban specifically, but certainly pooping on the idea that USF's academic standards were giving them an edge of any sort in recruiting.
"I'm not down on [Saban]. Whoever gave him that information needs to correct it. Certainly this person [Birmingham News reporter Ray Melick], what right does he have to write an article without verifying all the facts. This is why I get disturbed sometimes, because now this article goes out.
He stopped shy of calling the piece "GARBAGE" or mentioning his age in conjunction with the story, but Leavitt certainly has a point. The Bulls' starting running back Mike Ford initially accepted a scholarship offer to the Crimson Tide, as did teammate Jamar Taylor. USF also sits in the middle of America's football-mad fourth largest state, which is nice for a start-up/upstart looking to feed off some gilded trimmings from Florida/Florida State/Miami.
(Oh, and they've got Singlet Guy. You can't forget Singlet Guy.)
Saban's had a rough week with the media in general. One exchange had him getting fed back his own words by a reporter in a testy faceoff at the week's presser.
Reporter: (Oh, he's going to get his question in) "You mentioned Monday that it could affect recruiting."
Saban:..."I did?
We cannot overstate how awesome we think it is that Alabama really matters again as a football program, both because it's restores some certainties to the universe and gives us the docudramedy that is Alabama football fandom. Throwing the mercurial Dark Lord Saban into this mix is something special, indeed--sometimes you can almost see him consulting the "Intergalactik Gyde to Hu--Mann Behavyur" he keeps under his cape during press conferences.
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aawww shit…here we go…que tosu buckeyes…or the artist formerly known as…or whoever the fuck he is.
by gerry dorsey on Oct 2, 2007 6:16 PM EDT reply actions
Darth Saban: “I find your lack of faith…..disturbing..” (reporters clutch their throats and die of suffocation…)
by Roaminggator on Oct 2, 2007 6:20 PM EDT reply actions
But didn’t that guy either wind up not qualifying/getting into Alabama or leave for academic reasons later? And now he winds up at USF. Kind of like all the NCSU/UNC rejects at ECU, but yeah, sure, ECU has the same academic standards.
There aren’t many coaches I would rather see in a tiff than Saban and Leavitt. I think Leavitt would have had a great career in the WWF had he been a team player and taken the proper amount of steroids.
by Herb on Oct 2, 2007 6:24 PM EDT reply actions
Jay what is all this about? You know we had a long talk about Whitlow and Saban and the rumors that Sammie was hearing! So much for Tampa and Whitlow says so much for any team from Alabama so if Jay and Sammie agree on that then go ahead and let the reporters clutch their throats and die of suffocation. I think, Mr. Whitlow, haven’t you already suggested that technique to that damn Auburn player that made that kick?
by eric y on Oct 2, 2007 6:26 PM EDT reply actions
Wait, I thought Mike Ford was proof of exactly what Saban is saying. But then, a Bama fan told me that, so who knows?
by Because They Can on Oct 2, 2007 6:29 PM EDT reply actions
Saban is talking about academics? He realizes that Alabama isnt exactly Stanford, right?
by UCLA Mob on Oct 2, 2007 6:31 PM EDT reply actions
One of USF’s claimed two nonqualifiers took one of my classes. He was the dumbest human being I’ve ever met.
by USF apologist on Oct 2, 2007 6:37 PM EDT reply actions
i for one (b/c i don’t know) would like to get some facts straight. are the standards at usf lower??? maybe saban was just stating facts and jimmy got his feelings hurt. or maybe saban is full of shit.
by gerry dorsey on Oct 2, 2007 6:46 PM EDT reply actions
Like Alabama has any place talking about stringent academic requirements.
by Bill on Oct 2, 2007 6:49 PM EDT reply actions
Mike Ford failed to qualify at Alabama twice and Jamar Taylor qualified and took part in spring practice, but decided to leave and go to school closer to home.
by TideInTx on Oct 2, 2007 6:57 PM EDT reply actions
Mike Ford couldn’t get into Alabama. It ain’t Stanford, but it ain’t USF, either.
by RIP Logan Young on Oct 2, 2007 6:58 PM EDT reply actions
Can’t Leavitt marry Saban’s niece under Alabama law? Crank dat soulja coach.
by Allahver Fist on Oct 2, 2007 7:03 PM EDT reply actions
And I don’t think Jamar Taylor ever “accepted a scholarship” at Alabama — wasn’t he a walk-on? Or did I dream that up? In any event, yes, he was in school at Alabama last spring but went back to USF to be closer to family.
by RIP Logan Young on Oct 2, 2007 7:04 PM EDT reply actions
How soon Saban forgets all the envelopes he handed out while at LSU to recurits, and all the envelopes he recieved under his desk pad after home games….
Or how he held a certain Sports Agency ransom after he caught an employee shoving money into some of his players lockers…
What a tool….
by Tha1 on Oct 2, 2007 7:05 PM EDT reply actions
RIP LY
He was on scholarship, and was granted his release when he requested.
by TideInTx on Oct 2, 2007 7:07 PM EDT reply actions
I hate Saban, but he’s right. Does anyone think Noel Devine is at WVU because he loved the Morgantown atmosphere?
by Biggus Rickus on Oct 2, 2007 7:08 PM EDT reply actions
YAWYAW, AY SEHDATFAH ALLDEMSTORELANHS, DACOACHSEHBUHN ANITGAHTNUFINONMEH!!!
by Ed Orgeron on Oct 2, 2007 7:09 PM EDT reply actions
I thought Saban was right as well. Again-from what I understand, Mike Ford could not qualify at Alabama, but was able to qualify right away at USF. I heard Peanut Whitehead, currently at Louisville, also chose to go out of the SEC, because he could not qualify.
by bamafanintigerland on Oct 2, 2007 7:16 PM EDT reply actions
- cocktails to you sir.
I am truly in a bind here, my hatred for all things Saban is only equalled or surpassed by my hatred for Ray Melick, Harris Poll Voter and overall tool. This guy is a total piece of shit, has zero creditability, and needs to have his voting rights (AP and Harris) stripped. You want to know why preseason polls are all fucked up, it’s because we have tools like Ray Melick casting votes.
As to the Saban vs. USF aspect of the story – so is it Saban’s position that USF should raise academic standards or Bama should lower their standards?
Ah Nick, you’re not coaching at ND, Stanford, Northwestern, Duke, or Vandy.
The only reason Saban is worried about recruiting is because he knows that unless he hauls in the top class for 3 years straight he doesn’t have a chance at living up to expectations at Bama. I’ve yet to see him out-coach anyone this year, unless you consider the best player for the other team being injured and not able to play out-coaching someone.
by The Artist Formely Known as tOSUBuckeyes on Oct 2, 2007 7:17 PM EDT reply actions
Orson’s Nemesis Jenn Sterger…..is Baaaack Dept!
Could Saban be right for the first time in his life?
Model, SI writer, and all around love-hate object of desire/derision Jenn Sterger attended USF prior to Free Shoes University. More proof that USF is where the 13th grade starts?
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/sioncampus/09/12/sterger.usf/index.html
by Stacy Keibler Luvs Me on Oct 2, 2007 7:18 PM EDT reply actions
He looks like a friggin political candidate in front of that lectern. Slick Nick he is, but is he still “worth every penny” of the 32 million dollars, like that sign at Gameday claimed? Or is his contract devalued (like the USD the last couple of years) by losing to Florida St. (snicker!)?
by Raider Red on Oct 2, 2007 7:23 PM EDT reply actions
For the record, Saban is right about the distribution of players. What if every school was held to the academic standards as say Notre Dame – beat them down all you want, their academic standards are second to only a few.
I don’t know much, as many of you have told me, but it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that the PAC-10 has some pretty high academic standards across the board and it’s no coincidence that the PAC-10 also had the fewest Fulmer Cup points-by a land slide. I guess there is a connection between academics and character off the field.
So here’s to Saban-lead the way you bastard-raise Alabama’s academic standards to that of ND, and the PAC-10, win a National Championship despite the higher academic standards, and then force the rest of the country to follow suit and raise their standards.
Otherwise, shut the fuck up and go watch game film of opposing teams play calling signals.
by The Artist Formely Known as tOSUBuckeyes on Oct 2, 2007 7:26 PM EDT reply actions
Aw poor nicky, gets his ass handed to him by FSU and has to go ofter the new kid in the polls, what a bully.
by Tailgator on Oct 2, 2007 7:32 PM EDT reply actions
I’ll start by saying I’ve been accurately accused of hating all things Bama. Now, however, I will say it seemed like a good chance for tosuguy to say, “Shit, as much as I hate Bama, I am really shocked and will give props to them for having better academic standards than I thought.”… and then go back to his blog-borinating hatred vitriol.
by Out of Conference on Oct 2, 2007 7:55 PM EDT reply actions
I wonder if Nick is concerned about schools that don’t have the coin to pony $132 million for coaching salaries and facilities. Surely the distribution of funds for coaching and facilities is not even all over the country.
Imagine if every school had a $32 Million coaching staff and $100 Million + in athletic facilities – it might be a level playing field then.
by The Artist Formely Known as tOSUBuckeyes on Oct 2, 2007 7:56 PM EDT reply actions
I think Dennis Erickson will test that Pac-10 theory of higher academics and Fulmer Cup points soon. At least we have something to look forward to in the off-season, which will come too early as it is.
BTW Orson, maybe an in-season Fulmer Cup should be addressed. Someone suggested the Bowden Cup. That sounds about right.
by Crabapple Buck on Oct 2, 2007 8:11 PM EDT reply actions
I’m sorry about Irwin, folks. he just hasn’t been the same after that mean old Bama fan kicked his ass in the middle of a D n D all nighter – the girl was pretty big for her age, though. He needs a father, but that Curry fellow won’t return my phone calls, so…
I’ve told him that sitting in a basement, playing on a computer all day long isn’t normal for a grown man. I really hope he gets over his depression soon, cause I’d love to rent his room out again.
by TOSUBuckeye's Mom on Oct 2, 2007 8:32 PM EDT reply actions
Honestly, my thesis statement for this was supposed to be the opposite, but now, its hilarity. Stop Talking Shit Alabama…you’re a shitty Land Grant College in the SEC. Like you cant let in who you need.
Few Tidbits:
From a 2004 article on Entrance scores being flubbed for regular students:“USF’s average of 1,084 on the SAT and 26 on the ACT.”
USF Stats from Biz Week
Average – 1075
Median 1080
Range (Middle 80%) – From 990 to 1160
Alabama Stats from Business Week.
Average – 1101
Median – 1100
Range (Middle 80%) – From 990 to 1200
Minimum SAT Score – 50
http://www.sptimes.com/2004/09/24/Tampabay/Test_scores_inflated_.shtml
http://www.businessweek.com/bschools/07/undergrad/profiles/southfla1.htm
http://www.businessweek.com/bschools/07/undergrad/profiles/alabama1.htm
by Brian on Oct 2, 2007 8:33 PM EDT reply actions
Honestly, my thesis statement for this was supposed to be the opposite, but now, its hilarity. Stop Talking Shit Alabama…you’re a shitty Land Grant College in the SEC. Like you cant let in who you need.
Few Tidbits:
From a 2004 article on Entrance scores being flubbed for regular students:“USF’s average of 1,084 on the SAT and 26 on the ACT.”
USF
Average – 1075
Range (Middle 80%) – From 990 to 1160
Alabama Stats
Average – 1101
Range (Middle 80%) – From 990 to 1200
http://www.sptimes.com/2004/09/24/Tampabay/Test_scores_inflated_.shtml
http://www.businessweek.com/bschools/07/undergrad/profiles/southfla1.htm
http://www.businessweek.com/bschools/07/undergrad/profiles/alabama1.htm
by Brian on Oct 2, 2007 8:34 PM EDT reply actions
23 – You can be sure that the Sun Devils will soon benefit from Erickson’s “Longest Yard” theory of recruiting, which if you remember from his time at Oregon State basically means signing every thug and reprobate from west of the Mississippi to play for his Arizona State Penitentiary team.
Can’t say it isn’t effective. Who could forget the Beavers Fiesta Bowl victory over Notre Dame, which was basically the football equivalent of a San Quentin shower room attack.
“You got me, Coach. Courtesy of the greater Chicago Youth Authority”
by UCLA Mob on Oct 2, 2007 9:09 PM EDT reply actions
I was just mentioning to a guy on Saturday that USF made its bones off castoffs and non-qualifiers from larger programs. This isn’t exactly breaking news. Jim Leavitt just has the red ass, which comes with the job, I suppose.
by Newspaper Hack on Oct 2, 2007 9:21 PM EDT reply actions
I think tOSU is about to boil Saban’s pet bunny.
by Etch Westgrin on Oct 2, 2007 9:23 PM EDT reply actions
On another note, WTF? How does an Ohio State fan know who Ray Melick is, much less care? Goddamn.
by Newspaper Hack on Oct 2, 2007 9:24 PM EDT reply actions
When, o when, will the Alabamas of the world be able to recruit against traditional powerhouses like South Florida?
What an insufferable prick.
by flubby on Oct 2, 2007 10:03 PM EDT reply actions
Just waiting around for the inevitable Bama / Auburn fireworks…
cracks beer, takes sip, leans back in desk chair***
by Darkknight on Oct 2, 2007 10:14 PM EDT reply actions
All the Bama fans think Saban is right. Color me shocked.
He said there were SIX players on defense alone that could have played at UF or FSU, but couldn’t qualify. What six? Somebody give us some names.
by Mr. Wrong on Oct 2, 2007 10:35 PM EDT reply actions
Ok, Listen up. I will only says this one time,Aight?
Mike Ford could play ball at any D-1 school, but cant pass or qualify admissions, i.e. ACT, SAT were way below minimum. So USF is there, lowered admissions(sign your name and pass backgrou…. oops I mean just sign your name) and boom, chalk one starter up for USF.
If someone dug a little deeper, you could find a few more non quals starting there also. Noel Devine, for all practical purposes, should be playing for FSU, but alas, he is no Einstein, and is at WVU. And being that South Fla is in the hotbed of recruiting, and everyone knows most thugs and stud players arent the brightest in the world, you CAN put a good team together on lower admission standards. That is the point Saban is trying to make, Alabama aint Duke, but neither is Ohio State JuCo. And South Fla is a bottom feeder that welcomes Non-quals, they may end up winning a BCS bowl with a whole team of non quals who will be going to the NFL sooner than the teams who have qualifiers.
tOSU, explain to everyone how in the hell Maurice Clarett qualified, cause he aint no rocket scientist for damn sure. Maurice Clarett IS the class of OSU. Good job.
by White kids luv hip hop on Oct 2, 2007 10:37 PM EDT reply actions
Well Alabama is at least getting a reaction and causing a ripple effect in the SEC. Tommy Tuberville, who has an axe to grind with the president of Auburn, will take the Texas A/M job when Fran gets canned…hold the line gentlemen…Les Miles will go to Michigan after this season, BCS champs or not, its his dream job. To Croom or not to Croom? Doesnt matter, they will always be Miss State and not matter, such is Ole Miss,.Will theOrgeron survive ? he doesnt matter except for the comedy. Fulmer? who knows, he would probaly have to lose to Miss State too to get booted.
Kentucky? Rich was a dead man walking 2 yrs ago and has turned it around. So since Saban, most coaches changing jobs will want to get paid “Saban Money” and will probaly get it. The real question is-who gets to coach LSU, Auburn, Tenn, Ole Miss, and Miss State? Does Larry Coker get back in the mix? Does Petrino say fuck it and leave Atlanta for Auburn?
by Mr Pelican Pants on Oct 2, 2007 10:53 PM EDT reply actions
#36
You are truly brilliant.
Never mind Dr. Robert Smith or Craig “Fucking” Krenzel who majored in Molecular Engineering and took 800 level courses his junior year while leading the team to a 14-0 season. Never mind the fact that Ohio State only signs about 15-19 guys a year on average and that the entire Big 10 only had 2 non-qualifiers this past year while 40+ SEC non-qualifiers ended up in JuCo or USF/UWV.
There are academic studs and duds at just about every program.
Is Sherman “the Painter” Williams still serving his 20+ for trafficing drugs?
by The Artist Formerly Known as tOSUBuckeyes on Oct 2, 2007 11:25 PM EDT reply actions
FYI – I’m pretty sure it’s not just ‘Singlet Guy’ but actually ‘Singlet Posse’. I was horrified when ESPN showed the guy in the singlet scratching himself during the Auburn game. And then stunned to see a whole flock of Singlet People waving gold and green Pom Poms during the WVU game. The were located in a row in front of the band…. either than or I was wasted.
by Mon-L on Oct 2, 2007 11:36 PM EDT reply actions
tOSU –
That’s “WVU.” I know those degrees in Columbus are given away like candy, but you could at least avoid a Holtz-like malapropism. And, seriously, as a fan that supports a team that had Maurice Clarett, throwing stones from a glass house may not be the best idea.
by Newspaper Hack on Oct 2, 2007 11:47 PM EDT reply actions
tOSU: I realize Ohio State has never beaten Alabama, but it’s not a big deal. In a couple of years, you’ll get a rematch. I’m sure you’ll win or something.
I think most Alabama fans respect your program. You have an Aub-like chip on your shoulder/ Little Brother Complex. No need for that. Ohio State is a fine traditional power. Certainly a fan of that program shouldn’t be worried about us these days.
I don’t see any Alabama fans getting all worked up about whatever the hell Ohio State is doing these days.
You should be obsessing over your rivals or something. We’re fine down here. Thanks for thinking of us.
by Etch Westgrin on Oct 2, 2007 11:47 PM EDT reply actions
“You should be obsessing over your rivals or something.”
Michigan fan here. Oh trust me, they do. They do.
by Junk Monkey on Oct 3, 2007 12:25 AM EDT reply actions
No mention of Dr. David Boston?
eh who cares. Ol’ Ball Coach was bitching 2 months ago about his school’s not allowing his players into the university either. I enjoy the fact that many kids get a chance to earn a college degree that may not have been able to earn otherwise, but sometimes I wonder if the NCAA and the universities are kidding themselves with the whole “student-athlete” idea.
by bamafanintigerland on Oct 3, 2007 1:11 AM EDT reply actions
#37, why would Tuberville go to A&M when his home state Hogs (and his dream job) will be available in a couple of months?
and Orson, is Saban’s "Intergalactik Gyde to Hu–Mann Behavyur" a sign that he is truly a Ferengi (yes, I made a Star Trek joke)
by Adam on Oct 3, 2007 1:14 AM EDT reply actions
is it just me or is this site getting tired?
Can’t deal w/ this tOSU kid – PLEASE go hang out on mgoblog or somewhere?
by Omfgd on Oct 3, 2007 2:14 AM EDT reply actions
Ok, im gonna be the asshole here who says it: They are athletes. Only idealistic professors/administrators who think that their school’s athletic teams take away from the resources of the school think that athletes should be equivalent to a Rhodes Scholar. Take a look at the results of the Wonderlic tests of players going into the NFL, most arent “talented” enough to know who Warren G. Harding was. Jesus, Nixon and Ford played college football, you really want your lawyer or brain surgeon to have been a big time college football star with the record for most concussions?
by Tailgator on Oct 3, 2007 2:49 AM EDT reply actions
#36
While we are pointing out OSU’s class, we would be remiss to leave out their stellar QB Art Schlichter. I’ll “bet” they’re proud of him.
They have a history of high achievers under Jim Tressel.
by MBD on Oct 3, 2007 3:06 AM EDT reply actions
Check out the guy behind singlet guy. Paunchy white guy reprezentin? Or is that the shocker symbol he was shooting to singlet guy for later in the evening?
by OhioDawg on Oct 3, 2007 6:36 AM EDT reply actions
Not qualifying at Alabama is like Head Start saying no to a 4yr old from the projects.
by Charles Thorpe on Oct 3, 2007 7:45 AM EDT reply actions
It’s always enlightening when football fans get together to discuss academics……
by Lawrence on Oct 3, 2007 7:46 AM EDT reply actions
Unless you went to Vandy, I don’t think any of us SEC fans should be tossing academic stones. Let’s be honest, if you can’t get into Bama or the barn or MSU etc…, then you have some serious issues that can only be corrected at places like USF.
Ford didn’t qualify out of high school, went to Hargrave for 1 year and, again, didn’t qualify. He then went to JUCO for 2 years and again didn’t get into Bama.
Viola! New starter at RB for USF. Saban’s right on this one folks but who cares? He should have never brought it up. Just don’t put the singlets on your schedule and everything will be fine.
by Bama93 on Oct 3, 2007 8:31 AM EDT reply actions
- - I believe Vandy’s a really, really good school. They’ve got the numbers and the rankings etc. It’s funny, though, that of the 4 people I know well who went there, 3 of them are dolts.
Ted Kaczynski and Jeff Skilling went to Harvard. All Harvard grads must be killers and/or assholes.
by OhioDawg on Oct 3, 2007 9:04 AM EDT reply actions
Tommy Tuberville has been leaving after the season for the past 5 Alabama Head Coaches.
by NewAZTiger on Oct 3, 2007 9:16 AM EDT reply actions
Didn’t Larry Grant commit to Florida, fail to qualify, then end up at Ohio State?
by Erdinger on Oct 3, 2007 9:18 AM EDT reply actions
SEC standards basically break down like so: Vandy is in a class of its own. After that Florida and Georgia have relatively high standards. The bulk of the conference falls slightly below those two schools, Alabama, Auburn, Ole Miss, South Carolina, Tennessee, Arkansas, Kentucky and LSU. And then comes MSU, who is as selective as USF. And we’ve seen how much that helps them. The fact is that there are enough football players who can qualify (unless your standards are insanely high like Vandy’s) that you shouldn’t bitch because a team with lower standards beats you.
by Biggus Rickus on Oct 3, 2007 9:22 AM EDT reply actions
Am I the only one that thought at first glance this story had something to do with the strip club “Scores”? I was almost expecting that Saban was going to tell a crazy-ass story about Leavitt and him bumming around town hitting all the sleezy strip-joints they could and getting crazy lit.
Otherwise known as “a regular tuesday night” in Tampa.
by that 5.0 guy @ work! on Oct 3, 2007 9:27 AM EDT reply actions
Of course Coach Saban is correct here. His singling out of South Florida reeks of asshattery, however.
The real irony is this…are we really hearing a head coach at The University of Alabama, a school who not too long ago had a booster busted for paying 200 large for a defensive lineman, bitch about how much of advantage these other schools have?
Oh, and does anyone else believe that Saban isn’t going to be in Tuscaloosa for long? He’s been there less than a year and he’s already showing signs of frustration with that batshit-crazy fan base and media.
by dmiller on Oct 3, 2007 9:32 AM EDT reply actions
#56…
MSU’s admission standards are as strict as any of the other schools in Mississippi, and on par with everyone else in the SEC if you’re talking about athletics. On the academic side, when I was in high school, Ole Miss was a heckuva lot easier to get in than State was.
by dmiller on Oct 3, 2007 9:35 AM EDT reply actions
#52
“Viola!” – Oh, man, you’re cracking me up.
In other news: Yeah, UGA might have lofty admission requirements, but they pretty much fade after that first day of school.
by Allahver Fist on Oct 3, 2007 9:36 AM EDT reply actions
Why is this a story? I think it’s pretty much assumed as fact.
From FSU’s perspective, the AD pretty much told the football program that they were going to up standards (from dullard to mouth-breathing troglodyte) two years ago and to be slightly more selective with who they went after. As mentioned above, that’s pretty much how Devine ended up at WVU.
The ACC has also cracked down, which is pissing off a lot of coaches that recruit in SEC territory.
by NoleinTexas on Oct 3, 2007 9:44 AM EDT reply actions
Tommy Tuberville has been leaving after the season for the past 5 Alabama Head Coaches.
Yep. And one of the times he was rumored to be going to A&M, they ended up hiring bama’s coach instead.
by HFS on Oct 3, 2007 9:49 AM EDT reply actions
Damn… I just figured it out. tosubuckeyes guy is Jim Delaney!
by Out of Conference on Oct 3, 2007 9:50 AM EDT reply actions
For the record, Saban was asked how non-traditional football powers were able to become so competitive so quickly. He responded that SEC and ACC standards regarding partial qualifiers were higher than conferences such as the Big East. He mentioned USF solely based on the Bama-Mike Ford experience… and the fact that USF fans wear singlets and USF Hockey t-shirts to the games.
by Sabanite on Oct 3, 2007 9:51 AM EDT reply actions
HFS – Interesting that you say that.
College Station is close to Louisianna, Major Applewhite is from A&M’s rival and can recruit Texas, and Saban doesn’t have a buyout.
When Sexton is involved, one of his other client’s names is bandied about first for the job, but the initial rumors are NEVER the coach that takes the job.
A&M has the talent to turn this thing aruond in under 2 years, instead of the 4+ year “process” that is being bandied about in state.
Now, which big-name coach client of Sexton doesn’t have a buy-out?
by NewAZTiger on Oct 3, 2007 9:52 AM EDT reply actions
- I love tOSU Buckeye douchebag calling out Sherman Williams. He must have forgotten all about Mo Claret. Dumb ass……
by The Last Dragon on Oct 3, 2007 9:55 AM EDT reply actions
By the time Mike Ford was out of Juco, he was eligible to play at bama. But he chose not to play at bama, because the coach that recruited him had been fired:
http://www.tbo.com/sports/MGBAO0M3A6F.html
“He stayed and worked on his grades and kept the dream of playing at a big-time school. He probably would have gone to Alabama, but then Mike Shula – who had recruited him – was fired as coach. The calls started coming in again from schools who hadn’t forgotten him.”
http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061228/SPORTS/612280450/1006
“Alabama said Mike was already qualified and he was going there because of the people who recruited him, but that changed.”
by HFS on Oct 3, 2007 10:00 AM EDT reply actions
NewAZTiger -
Quick! Submit that info to footballrumormill.com! (Your leading source for Tuberville-is-going-somewhere rumors.)
by HFS on Oct 3, 2007 10:08 AM EDT reply actions
HFS – why? You know, the last time the state media was running around saying Tuberville to A&M, Franchione swept the rug out from under Alabama.
I’d say the same scenario is going down, and so far, the state media is playing it’s part.
by NewAZTiger on Oct 3, 2007 10:32 AM EDT reply actions
I think you are all missing the point here. You don’t have to parse his words or fact-check his statements to come to the conclusion that ……
Nick Saban is a dick.
by Crabs on Oct 3, 2007 10:35 AM EDT reply actions
- OOC
Someone finally figured it out – cocktails to you.
by The Artist Formerly Known as tOSUBuckeyes on Oct 3, 2007 10:50 AM EDT reply actions
59,
Jamar Cheney, for one, would seem to indicate otherwise.
by Biggus Rickus on Oct 3, 2007 10:57 AM EDT reply actions
Dmiller, you have got to be joking that Mississippi State has higher academic standards than the University of Mississippi?!? But speaking about academics and football student athletes unless you are playing in the Ivy League or certain schools with high academic standards I am quite sure that every football program has a few guys that have to stop walking in order to chew the gum in their mouth.
Also just because someone went to a more prestigious school does not mean they are intelligent. Legacy students at schools with high academic standards for the most part are idiots. From what I hear that is why MIT students consider most Harvard students to be nothing more than semi-efficient exchangers of oxygen and carbon dioxide.
by Anonymous IV on Oct 3, 2007 10:57 AM EDT reply actions
Anonymous IV -
It’s foolish to say the academic standards at either of the Mississippi Schools are higher than the other. They are both state universities and they, as a result, have similar entrance requirements. All the rest of it is just homerist, “my school is smarter than yours” BS.
20 years ago, when I was looking at colleges, MSU was more difficult to get academic scholarships from(read: required higher ACT scores) than Ole Miss. That’s not the same thing as “admission standards” and I should’ve clairified that.
by dmiller on Oct 3, 2007 11:06 AM EDT reply actions
the Artist Formerly Known as tosuBuckeyes……
sandwich or tattoo?
by crimson daddy on Oct 3, 2007 11:41 AM EDT reply actions
Hey Look intelligence conversation!
U.S. News and world report top 125 average school ranking.
- ACC-12 Schools ranked, avg. of 50, Top School-Duke (8) Bottom School-FSU (112)
- Big 10-11 Schools ranked, avg of 51.4, Top School-Northwestern (14), Bottom School-Indiana (75)
- 3 Pac 10-9 Schools ranked avg. of 63.2, Top School Stanford (4), Bottom School Arizona St. (124), School missing is Oregon State.
- SEC 9 Schools ranked avg. of 85.3, Top school-Vandy (19), bottom school Arkansas (124), Missing schools are LSU, Miss State, and Ole Miss
- Big 12-10 Schools ranked avg. of 84.4, Top School is Texas (44), Bottom School is Kansas State (124), Missing schools are Oklahoma State and Texas Tech
- Big East 5 Schools ranked avg. of 58, Top School Syracuse (50) Bottom School Uconn (64) Missing schools are USF, Cincinnati, and West Virginia
The SEC is ranked Higher than the Big 12 and Big East is b/c the top school in the SEC is ranked so much higher than the highest of Big 12, and the averages are very close, and even though the Big East has a high average, they only have 5 schools to go on and the top school is ranked 50th.
by Thor on Oct 3, 2007 11:42 AM EDT reply actions
I don’t think too many of us on this board care how smart our team’s players are as long as they win. That makes this argument pretty much useless.
by The Last Dragon on Oct 3, 2007 12:03 PM EDT reply actions
Not sure about any of the other schools, but minimum ACT requirement at Auburn is 24, Alabama 20
by not-so-innocent bystander on Oct 3, 2007 12:12 PM EDT reply actions
Saban isn’t leaving Bama without a decent amount of years under his belt.
If he leaves Bama fast, he’d be screwing himself because no one would want to hire him, for fear of him leaving them hanging.
by Steve on Oct 3, 2007 1:25 PM EDT reply actions
#78,
You’re so full of shit your eyes are brown.
There’s no way that the Irons brothers scored anywhere close to a 24.
by Steve on Oct 3, 2007 1:27 PM EDT reply actions
Everyone is laughing at Saban’s cracks about Bama’s academic superiority. What is next? Saban bragging that the red-neckery in his part of the woods is not as bad as Auburns?
by Stacy Keibler Luvs Me on Oct 3, 2007 1:53 PM EDT reply actions
I’m confused as to how Auburn has a minimum 24 ACT requirement, yet the 2006 class, per AU’s own website, had an average ACT score of 24?
by Tater Salad on Oct 3, 2007 2:55 PM EDT reply actions
#80
Saban can leave whenever he wants and it will not be an issue. Two reasons why: 1. he has no buyout and all he really needs to do is agree to a large buyout at his next school-after that he can tell the media “hey, you knew I had no buyout and Alabama agreed to a contract with no buyout. I have a buyout here.” 2. Everyone is the country will completely understand if he leaves-everyone know how insane Alabama is and the only people in the country who will care that he left Alabama are Alabama fans.
by The Artist Formerly Known as tOSUBuckeyes on Oct 3, 2007 3:05 PM EDT reply actions
Saban was asked a question and he gave an answer that was in fact truthful. If Spurrier had said it then you’d all be nodding your heads in total agreement. It’s a fact that the SEC forces it’s schools to have a higher admission standards than the NCAA minimum requirements. Don’t let your blind hatred of Saban get in the way of the simple truth. And yes, I am a graduate of The University of Alabama. It may be a shock to some of you, but we can spell and write complete sentences.
by dash on Oct 3, 2007 3:19 PM EDT reply actions
Some schools/conferences can accept partial qualifiers, some schools/confernces cannot. Apparently The Big East is one that does accept them. (Noel Devine, Mike Ford)
Ole Miss had a Four Star DL last year that couldn’t make the grades in the SEC, but Troy sure signed him.
by Erik on Oct 3, 2007 4:59 PM EDT reply actions
How many kids on Alabama’s roster had the grades and test scores to get into Vandy?
by UCLA Mob on Oct 3, 2007 8:08 PM EDT reply actions
Apparently, Melick changed Saban’s quote. Saban originally used the phrase “Prop 48”…
So we’ve got Coonass and Prop48…
Pretty soon, Saban is going to remake an NWA album.
by NewAZTiger on Oct 3, 2007 9:37 PM EDT reply actions
#89
How long did it take you to write that? Have to be sooo very careful when you talk about how much smarter you are than your fan base.
by Thor on Oct 4, 2007 2:11 PM EDT reply actions
Average academic ranking (US news reports) for BCS schools (assuming 131 for tier 3 school. Tier 1-2 has 130 schools)
1. ACC – 50
2. Big-10 51.4
3. Pac-10 70.0
4. Big-12 92.2
5. Big East – 94.5
6. SEC – 96.8
SEC:
East
Florida 49
Georgia 59
Kentucky 122
South Carolina 112
Tennessee 96
Vanderbilt 19
West
Alabama 91
Arkansas 124
Auburn 96
Louisiana State 131
Mississippi 131
Mississippi State 131
Big East:
Cincinnati 131
Connecticut 64
Louisville 131
Pittsburgh 59
Rutgers 59
South Florida 131
Syracuse 50
West Virginia 131
Essentially, on average, SEC=Big 12=Big East
by Academic on Oct 5, 2007 11:49 AM EDT reply actions
@Erik, The Big East no longer accepts non-qualifiers (they haven’t for the last three years). If Noel Devine did not meet NCAA admission standards he would not be playing this year.
by Scott on Oct 5, 2007 12:24 PM EDT reply actions
This is why I got accepted into UF and deferred from USF the first time, right Saban? And the fact that it was published in my hometown newspaper that a UF recruit “finally made a 900 SAT score and may now attend the university.” Truth of the matter is if a school wants you, they’ll get you. And last time I checked Alabama didn’t require any phenomenal academic requirements…
by Bull on Oct 8, 2007 12:06 AM EDT reply actions

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