EXPECT DELAYS
Life's blindsided us this morning, so expect delays. The Curious Index should be up around 11, so in the meantime, enjoy Mike Patrick's delightfully daft non sequitur just prior to Georgia ending the game in Tuscaloosa on Saturday.
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Hmmm…looks like lifting all those kegs over the summer did wonders for Stafford’s arm.
Perhaps Britney has a crush on Saban. Alas, he does not have the time for her.
by yoyofutbawl on Sep 24, 2007 9:55 AM EDT reply actions
That Brittany attempt at humor went over like a fart in church. Certainly a “WTF is he talking about” moment.
by drogue on Sep 24, 2007 10:00 AM EDT reply actions
The painful attempt to carry it on even when Blackledge basically said, “What the fuck?!” was the best (worst) part.
by Biggus Rickus on Sep 24, 2007 10:03 AM EDT reply actions
I think Blackledge was about to punch him in the face.
But on another note, did anyone else get a sense that there was some overt rooting for the Roll Sabans coming from the booth?
by TIGERinATL on Sep 24, 2007 10:04 AM EDT reply actions
definite props to blackledge. in terms that could be broadcast on espn, he basically told patrick he’s a fucking idiot.
by gerry dorsey on Sep 24, 2007 10:06 AM EDT reply actions
Note to ESPN: Leave your d-bag NFL announcers with the NFL.
Patrick should be fired for this.
Bring back Ron Franklin!
by Texas_Dawg on Sep 24, 2007 10:09 AM EDT reply actions
Yes, Patrick did seem to be rooting for the Tide throughout that overtime period. I guess Saban going to 4-0 makes for a better national story than Georgia keeping their SEC hopes alive. Whatever, fuck him in the ass with a rusty pipe.
by Biggus Rickus on Sep 24, 2007 10:10 AM EDT reply actions
Maybe he knew that a 5’10", 150-pound receiver was about to catch the winning TD bomb in Bryant-Denny and wanted to set it up with something equally bizarre. Go Mikey!
by Doug on Sep 24, 2007 10:13 AM EDT reply actions
I like Todd Blackledge. I like him even more for punking Mike Patrick. Ron Franklin & Blackledge might make a pretty good Saturday night SEC team. Patrick has got to go.
UConn 34, Pitt 14. Bitches.
by Edsall is God on Sep 24, 2007 10:20 AM EDT reply actions
I never understood why they removed Ron Franklin in the first place. We all seem to love him here in the south and his voice was as linked to SEC night games as Vern Lundquist (sp?) is to the CBS slot.
Being an Ole Miss alum means (with the exception of years a Manning is their QB) he would rarely have to choose sides on national TV. And he knows the conference.
Given Godfried’s illness, Blackledge is the obvious choice for color, and he and Franklin would be a dream team of competence and class.
by TIGERinATL on Sep 24, 2007 10:30 AM EDT reply actions
Bring back Ron Franklin. Pam Ward is better than Patrick.
by Bill on Sep 24, 2007 10:31 AM EDT reply actions
Why did the video clip cut short of the fans throwing bottles, cups, and shakers on the Georgia players celebrating after the touchdown?
And for the record, any man who willing grabs a shaker and shakes it like a cheerleader’s pom pon is officially a pussy. I don’t see grown men at NFL games shaking pom pons like a cheerleader. Be a man and wave a towel or clap and screem. Don’t be a pussy with a mini set of cheerleader pom pons and then throw them at football players.
by tOSUBuckeyes on Sep 24, 2007 10:43 AM EDT reply actions
- - 4-0 against suspect competition sir. Suspect indeed.
by Brian on Sep 24, 2007 10:44 AM EDT reply actions
I never understood why they removed Ron Franklin in the first place.
I think it was because he called Holly Rowe “sweetheart,” or something like that.
by MiseanAuFan on Sep 24, 2007 10:45 AM EDT reply actions
You want to talk about bizzare announcing statements…during the Jax-Denver game on CBS they did a promo for the FSU-Bama game. After the promo, Randy Cross said Verne Lundquist did a great job broadcasting the UGA-Bama game Saturday night in overtime. How can someone watch an ESPN night game and think they are watching CBS?
by mlmintampa on Sep 24, 2007 10:47 AM EDT reply actions
They need to bring the douche-bag dream team back (Patrick, Maguire, Theismann) to alternate calling the Temple and Buffalo games. They all deserve each other.
by BKdawg on Sep 24, 2007 10:49 AM EDT reply actions
tOSU what crawled up your ass? Did someone steal your “special cooler” prior to the NW game? Did the I-dotter shit his britches? Did you run out of things to burn during the post-game riot? Or did some other calamity befall another beloved Fuckeye tradition?
by Der Schatten on Sep 24, 2007 10:50 AM EDT reply actions
Off topic, but before I die, I would like to sex up a co-ed dressed in her teams body paint.
If it’s a rival SEC school, I will surely make her chomp.
by Jimer on Sep 24, 2007 10:52 AM EDT reply actions
yeah, b/c shakers are crap compared to some schmuck dotting an i
by James on Sep 24, 2007 10:55 AM EDT reply actions
I am 95% sure that tOSU sports a jersey on Saturdays, something someone older than a middle schooler school should NEVER do.
by TIGERinATL on Sep 24, 2007 10:59 AM EDT reply actions
23: It very well could BE his middle school jersey, and he’s still holding on to those mem’ries, man…one towel waive, one Krenzel-Clarett jersey at a time.
by Der Schatten on Sep 24, 2007 11:04 AM EDT reply actions
5 years ago, I would have given 5 to 1 odds that Spears would have come out on top of the Spears / Aguilera career meter. Now the momentum has shifted to Aguilera. However, with music careers and college football, talent usually wins out, but with the occasional HOT, HOT, HOT one hit wonder. How’s THAT for a sequitor?
by Brian O'Blivion on Sep 24, 2007 11:05 AM EDT reply actions
I heard an LSU fan on the radio this morning and he made some really great points regarding Saban.
He said that when Saban came to LSU he said that with the High School talent in the state of Louisiana that there is no excuse for LSU not to be a consistent top 10 program.
The guy pointed out that while Saban awoke a sleeping giant, Miles (although he doesn’t have the hardware yet) has done an excellent job of continuing what Saban started. And that LSU is what LSU is because of LSU not because of Saban, regardless of how much credit he tries to take or is given.
When you look at the fans in the stands at Bama you see Saban Nation signs, not Bama Nation signs.
The guy also pointed out that Saban doesn’t have a single Louisiana recruit and only 1 Texas recruit. Kids are still going to LSU because it’s LSU not because of the coach is the point he was really making.
I think the Bama nation needs a serious wake up call – in the last 25 years the state of Florida has 9 National Championships and it appears that Louisiana is posed to go on a run. Those are the power states in the SEC.
30 and 40 years ago everyone in the south wanted to play for the Bear because Alabama and the Bear is what represented the south. Well those days are long gone – players have tons of other options to go to better schools in the south and they are doing so.
Here’s an eye popping stat for you: Alabama has only beaten 1 conference champion since the Bear.
by tOSUBuckeyes on Sep 24, 2007 11:05 AM EDT reply actions
23 – I disagree a 1000%. I wear my Dan Orlovosky jersey to every UConn game and I don’t see anything wrong with that. Maybe it’s more common in the Northeast because it’s mostly pro teams, but that’s what people do. I don’t think it’s that bad. Though I can’t picture myself doing it when I’m, say, 40. But at the tender young age of 25? I’m game.
by Edsall is God on Sep 24, 2007 11:06 AM EDT reply actions
Here is another eye popping stat: Ohio State has never beaten Alabama.
Nick Saban does not need to recruit in LA to be successful at Alabama. The next two years the state of Alabama has the most talent they have ever had. And he can go to other states. If you think Nick Saban does not know how to recruit, then watch the replay of Gameday when Desmond Howard said he has known him for over 20 years.
by NOLAtide on Sep 24, 2007 11:14 AM EDT reply actions
Hmmm….tOSU needs a hug this morning or something; spending a looooot of time spewing K-Y remnants outta’ his ass. C’mon, you can tell us? Is it because you’re getting less love than the USF Nad Grabbers?
by Der Schatten on Sep 24, 2007 11:14 AM EDT reply actions
tOSU
Saban does have a LA recruit. Luther Davis, who was an LSU verbal before Saban was hired. He is also locking down Mobile, which LSU has recruited very well over the past few years. Of course LSU will keep almost all, if not all, of the in state talent. But don’t be surprised if Saban goes in and takes a few here and there. Between talent from LA, TX, MS, AL, GA, and FL, I think he can build a contender.
And if LSU is LSU because of LSU, not Saban, why were they so God awful before he got there? As much as you hate it, you have to give the man credit.
by Tater Salad on Sep 24, 2007 11:16 AM EDT reply actions
1 simple rule: To wear a jersey you have to be young enough to pretend you are actually the player whose jersey you are wearing.
by TIGERinATL on Sep 24, 2007 11:18 AM EDT reply actions
Hmm… the very first EDSBS t-shirt, which I made for Orson at a shop on Hollywood Blvd. back when 100 site visits was a great day, has #11 on the back. Is that acceptable?
It looks great with jorts, btw.
by The Conscience of a Nation on Sep 24, 2007 11:18 AM EDT reply actions
tOSU is just upset that he payed all that extra money for the Big Ten, just to watch a bunch of mediocre teams that no one wants to watch play each other.
Hell, I’d be upset too if I had to watch Penn State play Michigan
by Dave on Sep 24, 2007 11:23 AM EDT reply actions
So I guess the state of Alabama belongs to Saban and Auburn has no say? This “Auburn’s success is only due to Bama’s suckatude” crap is getting old.
Also Saban will not automatically win every recruiting battle with Tuberville, Richt, Fulmer (maybe this one) Meyer.
by TIGERinATL on Sep 24, 2007 11:23 AM EDT reply actions
Oh Tater, poor Tater.
Let me explain the mentality of these people:
They will never give Coach Saban credit for anything. They will go so far as to say Gerry DiNardo laid the groundwork for what he did. These are crazy people. I have been lucky enough to grow up around this bunch of bat shits and believe me, Saban could win two MNCs in the next decade and they will say he is a lying impotent bum….unless he were to be rumored to go back to BR, then he is the man BABY!
by Tarpon on Sep 24, 2007 11:23 AM EDT reply actions
Saban has never had back to back 10 win season.
Saban won a conference title with 3 conference losses.
Saban won a BCS title without having to beat a conference champion.
The man can recruit and he has a great sounding “product.” But I think we can all agree that during his time at LSU the SEC was not as good as it is now. Spurrier was in and out of the league, Meyer was not in the league, Bama was on probation, and Vandy, Kentucky, and South Carolina were not what they are now.
Mark Dantonio is doing a better job with MSU in his first year than Saban did.
Riddle me this. 2007 was suppose to be the championship run year for Bama. They scheduled FSU OOC to give the SOS a lift after playing Duke, Florida I, and LA Monroe last year.
They have offensive weapons all of the field – 3 deep at running back and the only real change this year is that made a 32 million dollar upgrade in coaching. Yet Bama played a better Arkansas team last year and had them beat – at Arkansas. And against Georgia it was back so the same old same old…
by tOSUBuckeyes on Sep 24, 2007 11:24 AM EDT reply actions
Did anyone notice the smirk on Stafford’s face after Bama got the field goal? It’s looked to me like Stafford didn’t have time for Saban anymore! One play to our tiny but AWESOME kick returner for the TD. Congrats to Mikey.
by Hunkerdown on Sep 24, 2007 11:27 AM EDT reply actions
tosu,
if you dog pile in front of any teams student section you get shit thrown at you…that’s just the world we live in holmes.
also, take a look at the list at the commits saban has so far for next year, he probably hasn’t even paid attention to louisiana for being to busy locking down every stud in alabama. maybe tubs should be the one shopping in other states b/c he’s getting his doors blown off at home.
by gerry dorsey on Sep 24, 2007 11:28 AM EDT reply actions
2007 was supposed to be a championship year for bama??? i wish someone had told me.
by gerry dorsey on Sep 24, 2007 11:30 AM EDT reply actions
TCOAN: interesting question. I am guessing that this shirt is acceptable, but ONLY if it is accompanied by jorts.
by TIGERinATL on Sep 24, 2007 11:30 AM EDT reply actions
tOSU – What. The. Fuck. Are. You. Talking. About? Nobody in their right fucking mind thought Alabama would make a title run this season. They have no defensive linemen and are coming off a 6-7 season. I don’t think Saban is worth $4 million, but he’s a good coach who will probably win the West before bolting to get away from Bama’s loony fanbase.
by Biggus Rickus on Sep 24, 2007 11:30 AM EDT reply actions
I didn’t get a lot of the “2007 is the year” talk. Offensively, they should be playing much better. A lot of that looks to be because we are getting a lot of zone looks (and will continue to get them). It seems like JP’s timing is a bit off, which really fucks things up against a zone. If anybody were nice enough to play man, which is what real men play ($1 to Lamar Thomas), we would prob be scoring a lot more (see 1st half Arky game). Until the timing is perfected and JP makes some throws against the zone, it’s going to be tough offensively.
Defensively, we are thin, something we all knew going into the season. It’s starting to show. Some of the recruits that looked like they were going to dominate aren’t playing as well as most fans hoped, not to mention many of them were not recruited for a 3-4, so we don’t have a true nose.
Yes, they played Arkansas better last year at Arkansas. It’s hard to compare those games, though. Mustain made a ton of mistakes, which helped us, and D.J. Hall had a huge game, much like this year. DMc was still a bit beat up last year from his toe injury, and JP, having been in the offense for 3 years, was clicking better.
The offense will get better this year, the defense will learn from its mistakes, and we will hopefully be 8-4 or better. See what happens when you actually analyze things?
by Tater Salad on Sep 24, 2007 11:34 AM EDT reply actions
#36
DiNardo’s 7-4-1 team whipped Saban’s MSU team 45-26 in the Independence bowl. But of course that is only because Michigan State sucks and there is no talent in Michigan.
by tOSUBuckeyes on Sep 24, 2007 11:34 AM EDT reply actions
Football Fashion guide:
NFL
men – jersey is acceptable, as long as the player actually still plays for your team (I’m talking to you, Bernie Kosar jersey wearing Browns fans!)
women – have you ever seen a woman at an NFL game? You can wear whatever, we’re just thankful for your presence.
College Football (non-south)
men/women – t-shirt/sweatshirt with name of school on it
College Football (south)
men – polo, team color
women – sundress, preferrably team color (and this year, apparantly cowboy boots?!?)
There, in case any of you get confused dressing at 3am before leaving for a roadtrip to tailgate six hours before a noon game.
by Herb on Sep 24, 2007 11:36 AM EDT reply actions
#10
“Godfried’s illness”
?? how did i miss this and what are the details?
by omfdg on Sep 24, 2007 11:40 AM EDT reply actions
I hear Bama students behaved poorly at the game, but I also heard that UGA players were taunting the student section. Either way, booing and throwing stuff is lame.
Saban’s recruiting class is, so far, ranked #1 in the SEC and top 5 nationally.
He still has to contend with all the competition, but he’s obviously a better recruiter than anyone we’ve had in a while.
This quote is kind of funny tOSU
“The guy pointed out that while Saban awoke a sleeping giant, Miles (although he doesn’t have the hardware yet) has done an excellent job of continuing what Saban started.”
Miles doesn’t have the “hardware” yet? How much super talent does he need?
by bama_buck on Sep 24, 2007 11:44 AM EDT reply actions
#43
Tater Salad – 100 cocktails to you sir – that is the most objective and realistic comments I’ve heard from you or any other Bama fan.
I will only take issue with two things (1) I find it very, very interesting that all of a sudden the in state talent pool in the state of Alabama has risen to historic levels, sounds fishy – especially when powerhouse Hoover went to Ohio and lost to a very mediocre high school team. (2) I know after last year and the firing of Shula expectations had leveled off, but prior to the 2006 season and during probation everyone talked about 2007 being the year bama would contend for the SEC and NC. And since then Bama has had 100 Million in facility upgrades and 32 million in coaching upgrades.
And I really believe that people in Alabama just don’t realize how far behind Alabama is in terms of talent – Florida and Louisiana are the big dogs in the south.
I also don’t believe that you can gauge recruiting success in September. Florida is ranked like 27th in recruiting right now – you think they’ll stay that way?
by tOSUBuckeyes on Sep 24, 2007 11:47 AM EDT reply actions
On having the “hardware”
So much of an MNC depends on human mistake prone evaluation and what is going on in the rest of the country.
by TIGERinATL on Sep 24, 2007 11:55 AM EDT reply actions
tOSU
I think, back around 2005, people thought 2007 might be the year because numbers would be back up. Of course, nobody thought that some of the prized recruits would still not be ready to play. But again, some of that has to do with the 3-4, and some has to do with poor recruiting.
As far as gauging recruiting success, you can’t even gauge it on NSD. In 2 or 3 years we will see how good the class really is. It’s just nice to be getting verbals from guys in areas where we have not been able to recruit as well.
by Tater Salad on Sep 24, 2007 11:56 AM EDT reply actions
I love hearing people critique Saban’s credentials.
However they stack up, they blow away everyone we’ve had in the past ten years, and that’s good enough for every Bama fan I know.
by bama_buck on Sep 24, 2007 11:58 AM EDT reply actions
and Hoover has none of the top prospects in the state of Alabama, because there are other high schools in the state.
But much like Saban has the power to make who the BCS forces them to play and how other teams play, he also has power on deciding how Rivals ranks Alabama players. Alabama talent is not Louisiana, Florida, or Georgia every year, but it is really talented this season.
and I never get the Saban is not a great coach argument-Michigan State has one ten win season in the last 4 decades. LSU was a sleeping giant, so was USC and Oklahoma-and so is Alabama-it takes the right coach to awake them.
Correct me if I am wrong-but I think LSU starts 16 or 17 Saban recruits, but Miles has done a good job keeping the ship going as well.
I agree with #43 totally. The defense starts 2 former walk-on’s, a true freshman, a OLB who was a WR 2 years ago-its not the 2005 defense. The passing game should be better then what is is so far.
by bamafanintigerland on Sep 24, 2007 12:01 PM EDT reply actions
TIGERinATL,
While I agree with your assessment, Miles hasn’t won an SEC title, either.
by MiseanAuFan on Sep 24, 2007 12:02 PM EDT reply actions
Yes. Much better than Shula/Price/Fran/Dubose.
But you guys have to be cornered to actually use them as a basis for comparison. Left unchallenged bammers quickly reference Saban to be bringing back the glory of the bahr. This is “2000 and Saban” you know.
Come to think of it, every coach you have hired in the last 25 years has been forced to BEAR that same burden. So this is just par for the corse – with REALLY expensive greens fees.
by TIGERinATL on Sep 24, 2007 12:07 PM EDT reply actions
#52
I guess my point is less about the Miles comparison, and more about the comparison of Saban to other coaches.
I know I am a complete homer and always come back to this… But to automatically put Saban above Tubby like they do because of the 2003 MNC is silly since, its just luck of the draw that 2004 had 3 undefeated teams going into bowls.
by TIGERinATL on Sep 24, 2007 12:13 PM EDT reply actions
Myself, I thought Mike Gottfried had a stroke when he was coaching at PItt, which led to his curmudgeonly color commentary all these years at ESPN. That guy is “grizzled,” in the SNL “How Grizzled Are You?” game show manner.
As for jerseys, ANYONE over 15 wearing a jersey at a football game that is not playing, or a member of the team that is injured, is a douchebag, plain and simple.
Actually, I will give a pass to the high school kids, though I shouldn’t and state that if you are playing at that level, you can wear yours to another game, as well.
Otherwise, ANYONE who wears a football jersey to a game, or even owns one, unless it is one you bought when you were younger and just kept as a memento, i.e. a 35 year old Georgia fan who has his red #34 jersey somewhere in a drawer or closet, and will never be worn, is a douchebag, plain and simple.
I have no use those fat tubs of goo in Philly, NYC, DC, Chicago, etc who are in the stands on Sundays wearing the jerseys of men 10-15 years younger than them
Makes me want to vomit.
by Coop on Sep 24, 2007 12:14 PM EDT reply actions
Mississippi arguably has better high school talent than Alabama. The only problem is the public school system in the state and the fact that so many of them can’t get qualified.
The high schools and the juco system in MS turn out quality athletes, but the ones that qualify usually get cherry-picked by the out-of-state SEC schools, leaving MSU and Ole Miss to pick up the scraps. Well, MSU, anyway. Ole Miss signs up a bunch of the five-stars that they know won’t qualify so they can continue to win recruiting national championships.
by fresh on Sep 24, 2007 12:21 PM EDT reply actions
Also, parents are allowed to wear their son’s jersey to a game in which they are a participant.
by TIGERinATL on Sep 24, 2007 12:22 PM EDT reply actions
I was going to say Mississippi, but like you said they cannot qualify, when half of your top 12 cannot make it into schools thats a problem.
I think Mississippi has the best ratio of NFL players to state population
by bamafanintigerland on Sep 24, 2007 12:29 PM EDT reply actions
Yep, Miles sucks. Saban is God. Pay no attention to:
-Miles is winning with Saban’s players. But Saban won with DiNardo’s players. And Saban is winning with Shula’s players. But all we hear about parasitic Miles is and how awesome Saban is. Pick a side Tiders.
-Saban has never stayed anywhere longer than a handful of years (what? 5 at LSU?) Saban has only had less than 3 losses a season twice (at LSU). No one is ever sorry to see him go. Players and personnel have better success when he leaves.
These same Bama fans you read here fellating Nick are the same ones that will run him off.
And make no mistake, I ain’t angry with Nick Saban for where he is or that he’s not at LSU. The fucking bastard shut down SEC Poon y’all. SEC Poon. What a jackass loser.
by LSUJoshua on Sep 24, 2007 12:33 PM EDT reply actions
59,
A statistical article in SI last year proves you wrong. The state with the greatest per capita NCAA and NFL talent is Louisiana.
And some dude in a jersey musta beaten and then pissed on Coop at some point. Dude is irrationally angry over the jersey subject.
by LSUJoshua on Sep 24, 2007 12:37 PM EDT reply actions
What’s more impressive? Winning with DiNardo and Shula’s players, or winning with Saban’s?
And maybe you should start trying to get your own SEC poon, instead of relying on a website.
by Tater Salad on Sep 24, 2007 12:37 PM EDT reply actions
The state of Georgia definitely produces more high school talent than the state of Alabama, but I do not buy that Mississippi does as well, the excuse about qualifying duly noted.
Reason being, the state of Alabama, in terms of population, is huge compared to the state of Mississippi.
Population determines talent, for the most part.
Conversely, Alabama probably is a larger state than Louisiana, as well, I have no clue about it, but LSU does not have an Auburn to compete with for the in-state goods.
As big of a Clemson fan as I am, I am smart enough to know that if we have to recruit hard and heavy in Georgia, NC, Va, Fla, etc because there is not enough quality talent in SC to stockpile Clemson, let alone compete with SC, and, that is not taking into account the cherrypickers such as, traditionally, Tennessee and FSU.
by Coop on Sep 24, 2007 12:40 PM EDT reply actions
Josh, have you uploaded your daily video of Mike IX, don’t know the number but nobody cares but you anyway, taking a crap onto YouTube yet?
Oh, and is Ryan Perriloux under a jail somewhere yet? According to you in the last altercation, he was in “BIG TROUBLE,” but you couldn’t say anything like one of those morons on the Rivals or Scout message boards, but you, “knew something.”
Oh, right. He was running on USC on Saturday and was not suspended for that incident.
Thanks for that heads up, animal doctor.
by Coop on Sep 24, 2007 12:48 PM EDT reply actions
62, The point is that anyone who actually ever puts stock in the Coach So And So is winning with someone else’s players is about the stupidest idea in the world, on par with:
slavery
jorts
mullets
new coke
And on and on. Listen, if I took Google or NASA, took out their top dude, put someone who is not qualified and sucks in there. Say, Tater or Gerry or that Bammer fan with The Bahr tat on his back in his place. And told him to take over the internet or go to Mars, expecting nothing would skip a beat, nothing would go wrong? Riiiiiiiiiight.
This is what you idiots are saying regarding Miles and Saban. That is the height of ignorance. But sadly, delusional Bama fans prove they are pioneers in this field.
by LSUJoshua on Sep 24, 2007 12:51 PM EDT reply actions
Josh,
You would trade Miles for Saban in about two seconds. You know it’s true in your heart.
by RIP Logan Young on Sep 24, 2007 12:54 PM EDT reply actions
Actually, and honestly, LSU is playing much better under Miles than they ever played under Saban.
Not sure why people can’t see that. The bottom line is that the Bama nation simply can not except the fact that things will never, ever be like they were back in the 70’s. NEVER. And all the money in the world will not change that. Not 200K to high school coaches to direct players to go to Bama, not 100 Million in facility upgrades, not 32 Million and change in coaching.
If Saban gets the credit for LSU under Miles, does he take the blame for MSU under John L. Smith and Bobby Williams, or the blame for Miami being 0-3 to start the season? He really left them loaded.
The same thing that happened with Fran will happen with Saban. The fans will turn on him – just like they have started turning on John Parker Wilson after the Georgia loss. Mark it down, the day will come when Saban will be hated just like Fran in the state of Alabama.
by tOSUBuckeyes on Sep 24, 2007 1:02 PM EDT reply actions
You didn’t address what I said. You would trade Miles for Saban. In your heart, you know I’m right.
by RIP Logan Young on Sep 24, 2007 1:04 PM EDT reply actions
2:00 can not get here fast enough – Finebaum bitches – it’s on today – the teeth gnashing, the calling out of JPW, the questioning of Saban’s offensive play calling…it’s going to be good!
by tOSUBuckeyes on Sep 24, 2007 1:08 PM EDT reply actions
Dear tOSUBuckeyes,
You need me.
Sincerely,
A life
by RIP Logan Young on Sep 24, 2007 1:10 PM EDT reply actions
I expect Finebaum will still be polishing Saban’s taint for a while longer. He has to make sure things are really gonna unravel before he calls for the torches and pitch forks.
by TIGERinATL on Sep 24, 2007 1:11 PM EDT reply actions
Saban is calling out the fans right now regarding the fans.
Dude sounds like a broken records…same song and dance…of course he is selling a product, just like Fran. I’m telling you, he is going to get exposed.
Saban’s favor word in press conferences “Relative.” Said it 3 times already.
by tOSUBuckeyes on Sep 24, 2007 1:14 PM EDT reply actions
TIGERinATL :
I honestly never thought about Ron Franklin being connected to the night games on ESPN. However, you are absolutely correct. I just had one of the “oh yeah” moments when I read your comment.
Ron Franklin’s voice is very much at home on ESPN on Saturday nights during football season.
Mike Patrick needs to go back to doing regional basketball broadcasts for the ACC. I remember Mike Patrick telling us who the “Holly Farms Player of the Game” was during ACC games back in the 80s. (At least, I’m pretty sure it was him.) Either way, Patrick needs to be banished the same way that Paul McGuire was. McGuire sucks.
Anyway, ESPN, bring on Ron Franklin!!!!
by WB on Sep 24, 2007 1:19 PM EDT reply actions
#59
It seesaws back and forth between LA & MS every year. Actually, DC had a higher % than either for several years, not sure right now. 50% non-qual in MS every year is a joke, sadly.
What also does matter is that you have 3 1-A schools in MS w/ 2.7MM people, 2 in AL w/ over 4MM, 1 in AR w/ 2.5MM, & 1 in LA w/ about 4MM. (Sorry, 2-lane & UAB, you dont count anymore as 1-A skools).
Numbers matter, which is why we’re seeing outstanding programs developing at UCF & USF.
by yoyofutbawl on Sep 24, 2007 1:20 PM EDT reply actions
tOSUBuckeyes,
You are proving my point.
Very truly yours,
A life
by RIP Logan Young on Sep 24, 2007 1:21 PM EDT reply actions
8 times
Saban is ripping the fans – said that it’s classless for someone to call the coaching staff at night and complain…classless to throw things on the players…dude is not going to last here….no way.
by tOSUBuckeyes on Sep 24, 2007 1:23 PM EDT reply actions
There are four I-A schools in Alabama (Troy and UAB). Jax State was about to make the jump from I-AA, but the NCAA issued a moratorium this year.
by RIP Logan Young on Sep 24, 2007 1:24 PM EDT reply actions
TOSU, could you use a different screen name ? You’re making my alma mater look bad.
Thanks, Mo
by M Clarett on Sep 24, 2007 1:34 PM EDT reply actions
13 times total…and holy shit…Saban did not sound happy about the lack of class in tuscaloosa…seriously, he sounded like he didn’t have time for that shit.
by tOSUBuckeyes on Sep 24, 2007 1:38 PM EDT reply actions
Joshy
Other people may be saying that Miles isn’t a good coach, but I am not. I am saying that Saban is a good coach. Your NASA analogy doesn’t apply.
Here is how the argument about recruiting goes. Try and follow.
Recruiting is one of the most important things in college football.
Before Saban got to LSU, LSU was not a very good team, and LSU was losing in state recruits.
When Saban got to LSU, he locked down in state recruiting for the most part.
Saban coached DiNardo’s players better than DiNardo did. Saban won almost immediately at LSU, with some hiccups and growing pains along the way, a la UAB.
Saban consistently recruited well at LSU, stockpiling talent that is still helping LSU.
Saban continued to win with DiNardo and Saban recruits.
How does this not make sense to you? Miles has done an excellent job at continuing what Saban started, as well as coaching up his and Saban’s recruits. But it is still something Saban started. Of course I am not arguing that if you recruit well, you win. You still have to coach them. But from all indications, Saban can coach his recruits.
Again, my point was that Miles inherited a hell of a lot more talent at LSU than Saban did at LSU or Alabama. He still won at LSU. It remains to be seen what happens at UA.
by Tater Salad on Sep 24, 2007 2:44 PM EDT reply actions
I think Les Miles does not get enough credit, especially by Alabama fans. But LSU’s hire of Miles followed very much in the Saban line: NFL background, success at a stepdaughter school-it was a good hire and Miles has kept LSU good unlike Michigan State’s choices.
Yes, Alabama fans are the only ones in the world who bitch about their players-much like the newschannels-call-in shows try to pick the most polarizing commentators to somehow prove a point that does not speak for the multitude of fans/groups. No Alabama fan thinks the 1970s will happen again-its pretty much not possible, but they want to win again-much like fans at USC did, much like fans at Oklahoma did, much like fans at Nebraska do now. Alabama can afford to upgrade facilities (and is not the only team to put millions upon millions of money into it as well).
Sorry, I have to go, I have my torch ready to run Saban out of town and my buddies are going to tar and feather J.P. Wilson-we are soooo fickle at Alabama.
by bamafanintigerland on Sep 24, 2007 2:49 PM EDT reply actions
tOSU,
You are a damn fool. I wouldn’t even know where to start in deconstructing the seemingly endless nonsense you’ve posted in this thread alone.
You must love the internet—if you were to spout off like this in real life, you’d certainly get the shit slapped out of you. Please shut the fuck up and stop embarrassing yourself.
by Rainmaker on Sep 24, 2007 2:50 PM EDT reply actions
Game day fashion, recruiting statistics, coaching comparisons… Let’s save these discussions for the 8 month off-season and actually talk about some FOOTBAW!!!
by Middle America on Sep 24, 2007 3:04 PM EDT reply actions
Football Related Comment
Is it possible that Bama has scored more 4th quarter points against SEC opponents in 3 games, than Shula did in 4 years?
I don’t have the stats or the time to crunch them, but I really don’t remember scoring any points in the 4th quarter under Shula.
Please correct me if I’m wrong.
by bama_buck on Sep 24, 2007 3:11 PM EDT reply actions
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The high school football power in the South lies in Florida AND Louisiana? Not really.
Yeah, Florida’s far and away the talent mecca for talent in the south, but nationally, high school talent is pretty much Texas, California, Florida, and then Georgia. ESPN’s SportsNation rankings had Georgia’s talent base ahead of even Ohio’s – Louisiana was 7th on the list.
I’m not sure where you’re getting the impression that Lousiana is a giant hot-bed of talent in the South – they certainly are good, mind you – but compared to Florida and Georgia, they’re not nearly as many talented players to pick from. That LSU has been able to succeed is a testament to both Saban and Miles’ recruiting ability.
by Jason on Sep 24, 2007 3:27 PM EDT reply actions
8 out of 11 losing seasons before Saban got to LSU.
Recruits who left the state of LA off the top of my head: Peyton Manning, Marshall Faulk, Reggie Wayne, Kordell Stewart, Eli Manning, Ed Reed, Warrick Dunn, Major Applewhite, and Travis Minor.
Growing up in LA, I have seen a lot of good high school football players and I have to say per capita LA has been up there. However, recent events, such as Hurricane Katrina, pose a serious threat to the future LA talent. LSU has done a great job keeping home grown talent, but they have also found good recruits out of state as well. JaMarcus Russell, Dwayne Bowe, etc.
by NOLAtide on Sep 24, 2007 3:55 PM EDT reply actions
What I love is that buckeye’s belief that it is only Alabama fans calling Alabama coaches late at night…because there are no other SEC schools in that state nor any other SEC school that does not like Saban and only Alabama fans are the ones that go out of there way to badmouth their coach.
by bamafanintigerland on Sep 24, 2007 5:19 PM EDT reply actions
Tater,
You’re close, but critically wrong. DiNardo (for his terrible lack of coaching acumen) was a tremendous recruiter. He brought in plenty of talent, guys like Kevin Faulk, and built a fence around Louisiana. He even got kids from New Orleans high schools (Miami and Tennessee pipelines) that never considered LSU.
What Saban did was continue to bring in the cream of Louisiana talent and went cherrypicking nationally to make a truly elite class. Your $4 million/yr God Genius of Football went one more step than a color analyst for the Big Ten network. But make a difference it did.
It bears repeating, Dinardo started the movement. Look at the 97 and 98 LSU rosters, they are loaded with NFL talent. Saban inherited a program rich in talent and he won with it. Which is the same thing you now try to apply to Miles.
Where you go horribly off the rails is when delusional Bammers actually start giving Saban credit for wins and losses past the loss to Iowa in the Citrus Bowl. The sentiment that the major reason LSU is successful right now is that there are still players on the LSU roster that the lying midget whore convinced to sign with LSU is ludricrous and a pathetic assertion.
It’s as if they have existed in a vacuum for going on three seasons now with just what Saban imbued them with. It’s just some happenstance that the defense is now better under Pelini and Miles than it was under Saban. Just some cosmic miracle.
And finally, the “recruiting is the lifeblood of a program” statement. Well shit the bed fred, I am at an almost complete loss for words. I just pricked my finger with a tack and wrote that in blood on the wall of my cubicle. Never again shall I live without this tremendous wisdom and insight!
by LSUJoshua on Sep 24, 2007 5:57 PM EDT reply actions
One more thing, if you want to write from a position of authority Tater, try not to be drastically incorrect. Upon another review of your post, it’s now just funny how wrong you are.
by LSUJoshua on Sep 24, 2007 6:12 PM EDT reply actions
Logan, truth be told, I sure don’t want Saban and I am still not 100% sold on Miles. So no, I don’t want Saban over Miles you dolt.
by LSUJoshua on Sep 24, 2007 6:26 PM EDT reply actions
Sure you don’t. You call and hang up when he answers and drive by his house at night because you hate him so much.
by RIP Logan Young on Sep 24, 2007 6:28 PM EDT reply actions
Fair enough about DiNardo. I can admit when I am wrong. I didn’t have much reason to pay attention to LSU then, as they had not beaten the Tide in BR since sometime shortly after the Big Bang.
If you would like to write from a position of authority on my posts, it would be great if you stuck to what I actually posted.I have never credited LSU’s wins to Saban and his recruits. And I am not sure any other Bama fan on this site has, either. But to refuse to admit that Saban’s recruiting has a fair amount (not majority, since it’s not quantifiable) to do with LSU’s current success is disingenuous at best. That is my only point.
I’m glad you understand how important recruiting is. Of course, if you really did, and weren’t just dying to be a smartass, you would have seen that, again, that was the only point I was trying to make. Or you are so blinded by hate and the need to build self esteem on a blog that you just couldn’t stick to the point. Keep it simple, stupid.
As an aside, I really think you should change your name to Ignatius Reilly.
by Tater Salad on Sep 24, 2007 6:57 PM EDT reply actions
Tater, that’s the greatest compliment I may ever get, the suggestion to change my name to that. I thank you.
And duly noted on the incorrect assertion that you credit Saban with LSU wins. I regreted those words as soon as I read them after they were posted. Glad I could help set the record straight on these matters. I can understand the lack of interest in LSU when Dubose was understandably the cause of consternation and concern.
And trust me, these actions are not born out of hatred and the need of self esteem, I already have great reserves of both. Rather, only interest in the accurate presention of the facts, important or insignificant as the facts of LSU football may be in the universe. Who gives a flip about this spreadsheet or that report or work at all when the matter of our school’s honor and record are at stake.
98, And you meet my admittedly unimaginative and loutish comment with wit. I laughed.
by LSUJoshua on Sep 24, 2007 7:55 PM EDT reply actions
#11
Not possible to be worse than Pam Ward.
by West B'gawd on Sep 25, 2007 12:48 AM EDT reply actions

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