CURIOUS INDEX, 9/24/07
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We be needin’ your security badge, matey.Preparr for ye keelhaulin, matey. After Texas Tech’s team collapse versus previously toothless Oklahoma State (Sooner fans, make your own associations with that one,) someone on Texas Tech’s staff had to walk the plank, and arrr, it was defensive coordinator Lyle Setencich. Oklahoma State had three players go for over 100 yards against the Red Raiders, who’ve struggled to find a second mate to shore up the splintery and cannon-heavy planks of the S.S. Leach for much o’ the dread captain’s career there. Under the bow with ye, Setencich! Bid good-morrow to the barnacles with ye back whilst you’re down there! Hugh Laurie will soon be wearing green and gold. It’s good to see Jim Leavitt’s long climb through the salt mines of program-building pay off in both a victory against UNC, an 18 spot in the national polls, and in one of Britain’s most respected gay thespians becoming their number one tailgater. Sometimes it rains hams and titties all at once, doesn’t it? If we can just get Hugh Laurie to wear a Matt Grothe jersey on House now, we can get Peter King on this bandwagon, too–and when that happens, hot lovin’ can’t be too far behind. USF also broke out the wishbone on the goal line, earning retro-football boner points with us. We will officially fall even harder for the first team with the balls to go out there with special, facemask-free helmets with the formation. (Phil Knight! Merchandising opportunity! Dennis Dixon will love it, since he can’t feel his face most of the time anyway, we guess!) Smelley Cock is the most luxurious. This bad Chinese menu translation brought to you by Matsumura Fishworks and the Tamaribuchi Heavy Manufacturing Concern of Japan and South Carolina coach Steve Spurrier, who likely all but ends the Blake Mitchell era by ceasing the dancin, dancin and announcing that Chris Smelley will be the new starter. Oh, and LSU makes a nifty fake in this clip from their 28-16 win over the Cocks. Steve Spurrier’s face is a richly nuanced mix of envy, anger, and amusement. Les Miles’ face says “YAYYYY TAFFY!!! I LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE TAFFY!!!” Misery loves company. So we welcome Jon Wilner to the ranks of people who have difficulty remembering that their 4th ranked team lost, and probably needs to be moved down a sconce or two in the rankings, which is precisely what Wilner did. Just wait ’til Wednesday morning when we go Beano cook and rank Army, Notre Dame, and the Mexican Imperial Football Team of His Eminence Maximillian of Mexico in our top 25. Las Cronicas de Boss Hawg, cont’d. Michael Smith, Arkansas running back, fumbled late in the Kentucky game and helped the Wildcats take Houston Nutt’s rhinestone-covered boot off their throat on the way to a 42-29 comeback victory. He was then arrested on Sunday on suspicion of using a stolen credit card. Houston Nutt’s comment on the situation was that he was “disappointed.” Lot of that going around in Arkansas in September, eh?
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51
OhioDawg says:
#28 – No great hatred for the Tide here – I’m a Bulldog and was getting more than a little sick of the apotheosis of Nick Saban. Actually, I had a poster of Alabama’s goal line stand against Penn State on my wall growing up.
September 24th, 2007 at 1:31 pm
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Out of Conference says:
#21 – What pisses me off more than UGA ahead of us is Va Tech.
Edsall – how was the full day of better living through chemistry and football that you described for yourself on Friday?
September 24th, 2007 at 1:31 pm
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GoCocks says:
Michigan had their national title shot and blew it.
September 24th, 2007 at 1:31 pm
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Willet says:
and both of those powerhouses got ass-raped by inferior teams
September 24th, 2007 at 1:32 pm
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Scalz1 says:
Ass raping doesn’t change how stupid your comment was.
September 24th, 2007 at 1:34 pm
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Raider Red says:
Nice revisionist history, PW. LSU and SEC fans like to pretend that Sugar Bowl was a complete and utter domination…OU had the ball 1-10 on LSU’s 12 with 3 minutes to go. Yes, LSU had a large advantage in yards gained, but points is how we keep score.
You may be thinking of the following year’s Orange Bowl, which WAS hilarious. OU was 12-0 that year, winning the CCG 42-3 over Colorado.
I would be in favor of a rule mandating only conference champs can play in the title game. Solves a lot of problems that way.
September 24th, 2007 at 1:34 pm
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Scalz1 says:
And ….
1996 rematch = good
2006 rematch = bad
Weird how that changes when it pertains to your team, no ?
September 24th, 2007 at 1:35 pm
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PW says:
geez guys, I was just throwing that out there to facilitate discussion.
and I don’t necessarily think a Michigan-OSU rematch would’ve been a bad thing last season. in fact, until they formally announced UF at #2, I fully expected Michigan to be there. Obviously I’m pleased with what transpired, but I wouldn’t necessarily say “rematch = bad.”
Anyway, my scenario doesn’t involve a rematch.
September 24th, 2007 at 1:45 pm
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Erik says:
That’s funny, I was pretty sure that Mississippi vs. Florida kinda showed that the top dogs of the SEC probably aren’t all that shit-hot this year.
Never mind the fact that this whole thread depends on VT being good this year. A thousand damnits, why is anyone saying VT is worth two ratshits? What in God’s name have they done?
Anyone care to explain why big wins over Ohio, Eastern Carolina and fucking William and Mary are worth bragging about?
Anybody?
September 24th, 2007 at 1:47 pm
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Willet says:
scalz exactly why was it stupid? I am intrigued to find out how your brain works.
September 24th, 2007 at 1:47 pm
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Clemson327 says:
The difference being that in 1996 the teams weren’t in the same conference which gives a better representation of the quality of the teams…just saying.
September 24th, 2007 at 1:48 pm
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Erik says:
Clemson327, please explain how conference affiliation has any bearing on how the quality of two teams is represented in a football game. I’m pretty sure that when two teams play each other, which conference they’re in has precisely zero bearing on how much we learn about each team.
September 24th, 2007 at 1:54 pm
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Scalz1 says:
#58 – obviously last year UF showed it could beat OSU. Soundly shot. I can’t argue that point. I can, however. argue the process, which was flawed.
#60 – your statement that the Big 10 doesn’t have a champ. game. No shit. But the scenario that was commented on is that a 3rd place team in it’s own conference would play in the MNC. We are discussing the method, not the results. It was a cheap shot, not on target at all.
#61 – but #1 playing #2 – should it really matter what conference ? A rematch is a rematch. I think the conference argument in 96 holds no water.
September 24th, 2007 at 1:55 pm
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Clemson327 says:
I also have not been that impressed with VT. They did not look that good against Ohio or East Carolina. Their defense played as expected in those games, but their offense looked anemic.
September 24th, 2007 at 1:58 pm
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Mike says:
Why does Ole MIss playing Florida tight at home = Florida not being that good?
People made the same mistake last year. My Gamecocks go down to Gainesville and play the Gators toe to toe for 4 Qtrs. Instead of people thinking, wow the Gamecocks are pretty solid and the SEC has some pretty good teams, people immediately thought UF suck. Well, that obviously wasn’t the case. Maybe Ole Miss, at home, really isn’t as bad as everyone thought.
September 24th, 2007 at 2:04 pm
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Erik says:
Mississippi, the same team that got outscored almost 2:1 at home by Missouri? You mean that tough-at-home Mississippi?
September 24th, 2007 at 2:08 pm
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Willet says:
I was not arguing that the 3rd place team deserves a shot. Just saying that it is difficult enough to play in a good conference and then beat another good team in a championship game.
To not have any of those obstacles and then whine about a rematch is disingenuous
September 24th, 2007 at 2:08 pm
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Erik says:
Willet, implicit in your argument is that no other conference is good, and that in no other conference do teams play other good teams. Of course that’s a very sound argument.
Whoops, my eyes just rolled right out of my head. Let me go pick them back up.
September 24th, 2007 at 2:10 pm
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PJ from NU in SF says:
Big 10+ does so have a championship game. It’s called Michigan-Ohio State. Show me a year out of the last 30 where the result of that game didn’t settle the championship, in one way or another.
September 24th, 2007 at 2:13 pm
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Scalz1 says:
So .. the SEC champ game was an obstacle for UF, then?
Reggie Fish says no.
September 24th, 2007 at 2:14 pm
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Clemson327 says:
My argument with them being conferences is that they play different teams that are ranked which gives a better base for judging the teams. If two teams both play basically the same schedule and win all their games, it is a lot tougher to compare them to other teams in the nation.
September 24th, 2007 at 2:21 pm
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PW says:
I appreciate the discussion that we ultimately ended up getting around to. Comment #50 was an excellent counterpoint to my argument. But I still stand by my position that 2 teams from the same conference should be allowed to play for the national championship. I don’t think a conference championship should be a prerequisite, especially not a conference championship in a conference w/o a championship game.
September 24th, 2007 at 2:22 pm
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Clemson327 says:
I’m not exactly sure why this is even being argued though since it was proven in the national championship game that Ohio State had no business being on the field with Florida. That kinda makes the argument for a UM-OSU rematch null and void.
September 24th, 2007 at 2:29 pm
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Scalz1 says:
#71 Do remember what the ACC was like in 96 ? I do, and it’s not that good. FSU had a cream filled sched, and still beat UF. And since OSu won the rose bowl, over the #2 team, UF wins by beating an untested team. I still think conference souldn’t matter.
#72 I completely agree. If that should happen this year, and with the SEC, I will one extremly pissed person. There needs to be one rule, and precedents should be followed.
September 24th, 2007 at 2:33 pm
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PW says:
No one is arguing for a UM-OSU rematch. I’m arguing for a hypothetical future MNC game featuring 2 teams from the same conference, provided no other worthy opponent exists.
Going a little further out on a limb, I’m also arguing that a 1-loss team who doesn’t make it to their conference championship game shouldn’t automatically be excluded from a MNC game.
September 24th, 2007 at 2:37 pm
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Clemson327 says:
PW, I have no problem with that argument. My problem is with the people talking about UM-OSU last year when there obviously was another worthy opponent.
Scalz, I forgot about another glaring difference between 1996 and 2006, in 1996 there was no “national championship game” between #1 and #2. Obviously you are still a little miffed that OSU got snubbed by the voters in 96 and got blasted last year by a far superior team…why are we arguing about this again?
September 24th, 2007 at 2:43 pm
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Scalz1 says:
I have a vested interest here, of course, and yes, UF did destroy tOSU. But, if you can look me in the eye, and tell me that a team that lost to the #1 ranked team in the country, is overlooked for a team that lost to a team(unranked at the time of the Ark-Aub game) that got beat in the SEC championship game, I have some land to sell you. Plus, the fact that tOSU beat UM by 3, while Auburn beat UF by 10. OSU was ranked #1, Auburn ranked #10 at the time of the game. There are so many more points to make here, but since this is a UF, blog, I’ll take my tinfoil hat and listen to Morrisey.
September 24th, 2007 at 2:47 pm
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Willet says:
Scalz/Wayne-very touchy I guess the truth hurts. I did not say there were not other good conferences just not the lil ten.
September 24th, 2007 at 2:48 pm
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Erik says:
Actually, no, you didn’t say that at all. Thanks for making it clear to everyone the level of maturity you bring to the table for these sorts of discussions, though. It certainly gives us some insight as to how well developed the rest of your argument must be.
September 24th, 2007 at 2:51 pm
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Clemson327 says:
Scalz, obviously the press and coaches were more impressed with Florida’s win over Arkansas in the SECCG than they were with Michigan’s loss to OSU. I’m still trying to figure out what ground you have to stand on here since OSU lost. Sounds to me like sour grapes, and you think like you could have beaten Michigan again to win the MNC.
September 24th, 2007 at 2:52 pm
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PW says:
Given the following scenario, who should play in the MNC game?
Michigan wins Big 10 with losses to App. St. and Oregon
VT wins ACC with loss to LSU
LSU-UF split games with each being the other’s only loss
OU-Missouri split games with each being the other’s only loss
Cal-USC-Oregon all go 1-1 vs. each other
Big East champion ends up with 1 loss
Should the loser of either the SEC or Big 12 championship game be automatically excluded from the MNC game? Even if the championship games were lost on questionable calls in 3OT? Do late-season losses mean more than early-season losses? Should they?
September 24th, 2007 at 2:54 pm
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Scalz1 says:
Anyway …. I think the system is flawed. I’ll leave it at that.
September 24th, 2007 at 2:56 pm
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Clemson327 says:
As far as the losses thing goes I think it has been obvious over the years that early season losses offer a team a much better chance to recover than late season losses for the most part.
September 24th, 2007 at 3:00 pm
84
Scalz1 says:
I have no sour grapes about tOSU losing. Ever.
September 24th, 2007 at 3:01 pm
85
Willet says:
Erik,
What exactly is immature? Getting on a blog whining and arguing about your bad conference or me pointing that fact out.
Oh I see when you do not have a valid point just say it is immature. My 12 year old nephew usally just says “whatever”. Try that
September 24th, 2007 at 3:03 pm
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Out of Conference says:
The system is flawed, but Erik’s proposition (#59) that LSU being considered a great team right now is flawed because they only beat Va Tech (who we all admit has not looked very impressive in any game), is laughable at best.
September 24th, 2007 at 3:15 pm
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Out of Conference says:
Scalz1 – you make a good point in your #77 post, but wasn’t the last TD by Michigan in their loss to tOSU garbage points? Sure they count. Sure it’s up to tOSU to defend for the entire game, but from my vantage point (watching it on TV) & depsite me rooting for Blue that day, the Buckeyes appeared to be in firm control of that game from very early on.
September 24th, 2007 at 3:37 pm
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Erik says:
(sigh)
Comment 8: The SEC should be seperate from the rest of college football. I was thinking this watching Georgia Saturday night as the state of Alabama is on the verge of implosion going into overtime. Then Matthew Stafford steps up, beautiful pass, game over. It amazes me the demeanor and talent of the players in the SEC. Va. Tech looked like it wanted a teddy bear and a hug from Mommy as it entered Death Valley. South Carolina just shrugged its shoulders and said, “Let’s ride.” I love it.
I ask why LSU is being considered the hottest shit this side of the sun; I did not say they weren’t a good team but I do in fact question why they’re being considered incredible. Like it or not, much of LSU’s current short-term reputation is based on their demolition of VT, and VT has not shown that this is worth much.
As for Willet…
The Big Ten is not my conference and has never been my conference. I’m not here whining, and I’d challenge you to point out where any comment I’ve made could possibly be construed as such. I call you immature because you come onto a blog to talk shit about another conference and rub that conference’s proponents in said conference’s down time. This is elementary-school-playground-level Nelson-esque “HA ha!” taunting, and nothing more. Do you consider that a mature act?
September 24th, 2007 at 3:37 pm
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DiamondM says:
When Raider Red received the phone call last night telling him Tech’s DC had just “resigned,” his face lit up like he just found out either (a) we’d just come into a whole heap of money so we could both retire; or (b) he’d been set up on a date with Stacy Dales and/or Erin Andrews.
September 24th, 2007 at 3:49 pm
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Chg says:
That’s one of the lamest poll critiques I’ve ever seen. He basically just lists people that disagree with him.
His own biases cloud his judgement so much that he even praises voters for including a team with one (possible) quality win, and a 197 point loss. The Wolverines are 1-1 against 1-AA competition, so they’ve got that going for them. App State is also 1-1 against 1-AA.
September 24th, 2007 at 3:55 pm
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Willet says:
Erik, Again this is like talking to a 12 yr old. If you are not a big 10 homer why come on the website and try and defend it and argue against the SEC? My only point(which I guess is immature^^^) is that a relatively bad conference without a championship game does not have much room to comment on MNC implications.
The flipside is that this is suppose to be entertaining and I was poking fun at a conference that is down. I am not unrealistic and know this will change.
Lighten up Frances and try “whatever” it really is better than your pointless droning posts. Also try not to cuss so much I know it is mature and all.
September 24th, 2007 at 4:22 pm
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LSUJoshua says:
To save time and effort, here’s the next five posts in two sentences:
-you’re stupid!
-no, you’re most stupider!
September 24th, 2007 at 4:32 pm
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Out of Conference says:
Thanks Joshy – I asked for a low body count, and you guys knock out our single best player on the team.
Brinkley’s out for season with torn ACL. Watch for him on Sundays next year.
September 24th, 2007 at 4:42 pm
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CapstoneAlum says:
#14
“How ’bout Richt greeting Saban to the SEC?”
I guess W’s over Vandy and Arkansas don’t count as introductions to the SEC? When did they leave the conference? Dumbass…
September 24th, 2007 at 5:13 pm
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UgasTexan says:
Is someone really calling for maturity from comments on EDSBS? Are you kidding?
Erik, pray tell, what part of this blog seems mature to you?
September 24th, 2007 at 6:09 pm
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oc phil says:
If I was put in charge of cfb and could make some minor tweaks to the system…
I’d put in a rule that you have to win your conference to make the big BCS game.
I wouldn’t say, “no remaches ever”, but they would be very much discouraged.
Games against 1AA teams would never count towards being bowl eligible.
#77 Even as a big 10 alum, I think you have no case there Scalz1. Sure the big 10 bashing based on a couple of games is way over the top, but then that’s what the internets and ebays are for.
September 24th, 2007 at 6:31 pm
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LSUJoshua says:
Out of Conference,
Sorry about that. Through the haze of inebriation, my compatriots wondered aloud about the bodily harm the Fightin’ Tigers were doing to USC vis a vis the more than a couple of injury timeouts.
September 24th, 2007 at 7:07 pm
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Robert in Toledo says:
It appears that Nutt is going down in flames. While I believe that it is a good thing for Nutt’s time at Arkansas to come to an end, it is a shame that he is taking McFadden’s Heisman hopes down the drain with him. I think we will all miss Las Cronicas as well. As embarrassing as it has been, Las Cronicas has been damn funny.
September 24th, 2007 at 7:11 pm