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August 16, 2007

DAILY AFFIRMATION: DAY 16

Forget? Hell, no!

HT and cocktails to Holly, our pinch-photoshopper.

Filed under: hope, horribly sad by Orson Swindle

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War Eagle says:

August 16th, 2007 at 2:00 pm
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chickensupernova says:

#47: point taken

#49: mum’s the word!

August 16th, 2007 at 2:11 pm
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MAB says:

This needs repeating….since obviously War Chicken fans forgot the eventual outcome of the season…

http://digitalheadbutt.files.wordpress.com/2007/01/chris_leak.jpg

August 16th, 2007 at 2:29 pm
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King of Tigerland says:

You cannot be seriously trying to say that wasn’t a fumble.

As an Auburn alumni, how in the world can you be NC with two pathetic losses? That is Bammer saying that BS. Get a grip.

And yes, Tubs wins some big ones he is not suppose to but he can sure as hell drop the ones he is suppose to win. Biggest ears in the SEC can hear the calls on the other side of the field, that is why he went after Wilbur’s punt.

August 16th, 2007 at 2:34 pm
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Professor Gundlach says:

#50

Thought provoking words … I guess directed reading courses in sociology paid off!

August 16th, 2007 at 2:39 pm
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Jorgé the Bass Player says:

#1 & #2- Yup.

August 16th, 2007 at 3:08 pm
57

Watson says:

When I come to Gainsvegas on 9/28-9/30 I am going to donkey punch any body who brings up this fumble.

August 16th, 2007 at 3:27 pm
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Stephen says:

As an Auburn fan let me say I did have this moment at the Georgia tailgate. My conversation ran:

Georgia is down this year, they lost to Kentucky and Vanderbilt. Granted it is an early morning kickoff and they do have a lot of talent and they are unranked… shit we’re going to lose this game.

I have no fear of the swamp this year or Les Miles and Baton Rouge. It just won’t matter after we lay a steamer against South Florida.

August 16th, 2007 at 3:42 pm
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Willet says:

A fumble period.

What is sweet is that there were at least three SEC teams that would have punked the greatest team evah tOSU.

August 16th, 2007 at 3:44 pm
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I used Urban Meyer for a tampon says:

You gaytors win a few more SEC titles and another NC and maybe us big boys in the SEC will let y’all join the PowerHouse club.

Until then War Damn Eagle!

August 16th, 2007 at 6:22 pm
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PW says:

59
How many SEC championships are required for membership? Did we get too many?

August 16th, 2007 at 6:51 pm
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Adam E. says:

That play happened on a 3rd down, and at first glance it looks like Leak was trying to tuck the ball and not throw it. However, if you look closely at one of the replays they showed on ESPN while they were reviewing it, you’ll see right before he releases it, his eyes shift from looking downfield to looking to the near sideline. He was trying to ground the ball, which would have either been a penalty(equal to a sack) or just an incomplete pass, making it 4th down. If that’s the case, say UF makes the field goal. That puts them up 20-18. Auburn still probably wins, either 21-20 or 27-20. I realize that if Florida is up, that changes the dynamic of the rest of the game, but hey, this is all just speculation anyway. But anyway, even though the call was wrong, more likely than not it wouldn’t have mattered.

August 16th, 2007 at 7:09 pm
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Rob G says:

61: We would have missed the FG =(

But damnit, we should have had the chance for that miss!

August 16th, 2007 at 7:42 pm
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HotlantaBill says:

#46

you must smoke massive amounts of crack. ncaa rulebook stipulates that ANY forward motion with the ball is considered a FORWARD PASS. there is no “tuck rule” in college ball. the worst part of the whole thing is the fact that Mr. AL Ford refused to review the play and we were forced to use a timeout….and then he only reviewed the play for 30 friggin seconds. That’s some sorry ass horseshite right there…the Auburn officials did not follow the rules of college football in that game which is why every commentator afterwards pretty much pointed out that we were robbed.

AHHHHHHGGGGGRRRR!!!

((((passes out))))

August 17th, 2007 at 8:13 am
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Professor Gundlach says:

#59

Last I checked Auburn needs a few more National Championships before proclaiming themselves a member of the “Powerhouse Club”….

When you have fewer national championships than Georgia Tech and the same numer as Ole Miss you are a far cry from a Powerhouse…in fact Ga. Tech (1990) and Ole Miss (1960) have won it more recently than your “Powerhouse” cow college…that is just sad…

August 17th, 2007 at 8:26 am
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Brian says:

Yea I just watched the clip on youtube. The ball traveled the shortest distance a ball can travel and be considered a pass. Y’all got hosed…but I feel no pity. Its like how bad I feel for BIll Gates when Microsoft Stock takes a big hit.

August 17th, 2007 at 8:36 am
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HFS says:

#63: Your post doesn’t make much sense. “There is no ‘tuck rule’ in college ball”? How does that help your argument? The tuck rule is what makes something that looks like a fumble not a fumble (hey to Tom Brady). If there’s no tuck rule, that just increases the chances that what Leak did was a fumble.

NFL: “If a QB loses the ball before he has tucked it firmly into his body, even if his intention no longer is to throw it, the play is an incomplete pass.” (Chris Leak play would be an incomplete pass in the NFL)
NCAA: If you are no longer intending to throw the ball, it’s a fumble. Lead was clearly pulling his hand back when the ball popped out. Fumble.

The supposed “experts” who claimed that was a bad call were consistently arguing the NFL rules. Those in the know (e.g., officials and formal officials) that commented on it, all confirmed the call.

August 17th, 2007 at 8:41 am
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HotlantaBill says:

the only thing it shows was that Leak was trying to throw the ball at Tate Casey’s feet (8 yards away)

it was a forward pass in every sense of the ncaa guidelines

even hardcore barners im personal friends with know we were hosed…

im almost more pisssed about losing that game than i am happy about winning the BCS…lol

August 17th, 2007 at 11:10 am
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Barner says:

It would have been 4th down for your horrible kicker (made 1 kick all year at that point) to try a 30 yard field goal (more if they call grounding) from the hash.

Auburn did not score on the drive after the fumble, they pissed it away and then punted.

August 17th, 2007 at 12:50 pm
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Palouse says:

It might not have made a difference, but we’ll never know. Anyone saying it wouldn’t have knows two things. Jack and shit.

They blew the call, by NCAA rules or any rules.

Watch for yourself. Arm forward. Throwing motion. Ball goes forward. That’s a pass.

Rules state:

The pass begins the moment the passer’s arm begins to move forward.

It doesn’t matter if the ball travels 50 yards forward or 50 inches. It’s a pass. Period.

August 17th, 2007 at 9:03 pm
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HFS says:

The pass begins the moment the passer’s arm begins to move forward.

Yes, the pass attempt begins at that moment, and it ends at the moment when the passer begins trying to pull the ball back and not throw it, which clearly happens. (Unless you think a passer’s hand should be going backwards on his follow through?)

August 20th, 2007 at 8:24 am
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Palouse says:

and it ends at the moment when the passer begins trying to pull the ball back and not throw it

Except that he never did that. Nowhere. Watch the video in the link again. The ball comes out of his hand awkwardly, but it’s never brought back, ending his throwing motion. The ball comes out at the end of his throwing motion – he never brought it back. You can delve into the mind of Chris Leak and posit that this is what he was trying to do, but there ZERO evidence of that, and regardless, intent does not make a pass a fumble. He threw an ugly pass, but it was still a pass.

August 20th, 2007 at 10:16 am
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MiseanAUfan says:

I guess the only certain thing about it is that the NCAA has crappy rules defining a pass (among other things)- Leak CLEARLY wasn’t trying to throw the ball.

August 20th, 2007 at 11:32 am
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Palouse says:

Leak CLEARLY wasn’t trying to throw the ball.

Another mind reader I guess.

It doesn’t matter however, because as previously stated, it’s irrelevant.

Arm going forward. Throwing motion. Ball release at end of motion. Ball goes forward. Everything about it was a pass.

And again, the NCAA rules in this regard make absolutely no difference. I’ll post the exact wording for you from the NCAA rules:

Forward and Backward Pass
ARTICLE 2. a. A forward pass is determined by the point where the ball first strikes the ground, a player, an official or anything beyond the spot of the pass. All other passes are backward passes. When in question, it is a forward pass rather than a backward pass when thrown in or behind the neutral zone.

b. When a Team Aplayer is holding the ball to pass it forward toward the neutral zone, any intentional forward movement of his arm starts the
forward pass. If a Team B player contacts the passer or ball after forward movement begins and the ball leaves the passer’s hand, a forward pass is ruled regardless of where the ball strikes the ground or a player (A.R.2-19-2-I).

c. When in question, the ball is passed and not fumbled during an attempted forward pass.

August 20th, 2007 at 11:52 am
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MiseanAUfan says:

Palouse, I was agreeing with you on it being the wrong call, according to the crappy NCAA rule you’ve cited above. But watch the video- if he really intended to pass the ball, it would have left his hand before his arm moved downward. Since there is no exception to that rule to provide for such a case, it is an incomplete pass, but still a crappy rule.

August 20th, 2007 at 1:24 pm
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Palouse says:

it would have left his hand before his arm moved downward.

Look at the still shot of it in the original posting. The ball is clearly out of his hand and his arm is not downward.

But we agree it was a bad call. I would equate it to a pass where he held the ball for too long. I wouldn’t necessarily agree that there should be a fumble rule for that either.

August 20th, 2007 at 2:34 pm
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MiseanAUfan says:

I think his arm may have moved up afterwards, but I’d need to watch the video again.

But we all know the photo above is bunk. There’s no shart stains!

August 20th, 2007 at 2:47 pm
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Palouse says:

I think his arm may have moved up afterwards, but I’d need to watch the video again.

Take a look at the link in post #70. Be sure to pause it and take a look at the stills at :19 and :20. No pull backs or noticeable arm going downwards. The ball does come out of his hand awkwardly, but there’s no awkward release fumble rule either.

August 20th, 2007 at 3:10 pm
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HFS says:

Well, by the rule as quoted, a pump fake qualifies as a forward pass. So a pump fake followed by a pass would actually be a penalty (two passes on same play). Obviously, something is missing.

So when does the pass attempt end? If it’s actually thrown, then it’s when it’s caught, hits the ground or goes out of bounds. If it’s not thrown, it’s at the moment when the QB is no longer trying to throw it (again: college rule here, not the NFL). So, again, the question becomes as to whether Leak was still trying to throw the ball when it came out of his hand.

To me, it’s clear that he wasn’t. To the on field officials, it’s clear that he wasn’t. To the replay official, it’s clear that he wasn’t. To the SEC office which reviewed and confirmed the play, it’s clear that he wasn’t. To a retired SEC official that wrote a column commenting on the play, it’s clear that he wasn’t. But I’m sure you have it all figured out better than they do.

August 21st, 2007 at 8:28 am
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Palouse says:

Yeah, I’ve never heard of officials defending their horrible calls on the field. Especially game changing calls like that one. I’m sure they all just readily admit their mistakes and are willing in incur the wrath of thousands of fans. Gotcha.

August 21st, 2007 at 11:51 am
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Palouse says:

So when does the pass attempt end? If it’s actually thrown, then it’s when it’s caught, hits the ground or goes out of bounds.

Look at the video again. He pump fakes once, and the second time his arm goes forward, the ball releases from his hand at the end of the motion. That’s a pass.

August 21st, 2007 at 11:55 am
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Palouse says:

And a pump fake does not qualify as a pass under those rules. Re-read article 2a again. Leak’s pass clearly went forward and hit the ground in front of him.

While you are at it, read 2c again. Carefully.

When in question, the ball is passed and not fumbled during an attempted forward pass.

August 21st, 2007 at 12:01 pm
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Dr. Ed PHD.XYZ says:

So that incompletion ? results in a TD! Man that’s a stretch, you got your ass kicked. Deal with it.

November 21st, 2007 at 9:10 am