DAILY AFFIRMATION: DAY 16

…but it won’t matter, because you still lost.

Yes, we did.

Orson, feed the dark side you do… release your anger you must

Anyone remember Peter Kerasotis’ article about the riot in Auburn following the game, how his life was in danger and how the Auburn students cheated Florida out of the national championship?

That was some quality reading.

Orson, what in Chris Leak’s history with us would make you think that, even had that been ruled an incompletion, he would have been capable of leading us to a victory in a close game on the road?

I agree that was a BS call, but we would have just punted and never gotten the lead back anyway.

The 06 Tennessee game?

Did Tebow not save our ass in that game after a Leak slide?

Now I’m ready to punch somebody. Fuck the details and the rest of that season, that was bullshit.

I’m still a little sad that Leak didn’t go to Iowa. I’m sure he is too. He never would have had to experience the terrible pressure of a National Championship game had he come to us. Poor guy.

Funny, didn’t the Gators fall apart that night faster than Ookie’s defense strategy? Better luck this year, kids…

Heresy Dept:

1. Has Tebow peaked?

2. Will Tebow fall flat on his face, now that he does not have Leak to take all of the pressure off him?

3. Will teams beat up on a limited experience guy who has yet to go the distance by himself?

4. Will that “girlfriend” of his with hooters as nice and big as the day is long leave him for the !# kicker?

Answers: My friends and fiends, even though the Gators are cool, I am sorry to say that the answer is “Yes” to #1, #2, and #3. Regarding #4, probably not, because most kickers..hmmm….let’s not go there….

You know how I know you’re gay?
You fumble, but you don’t.

Neener Neener Neener

Are Auburn fans convinced they share in the NC or something because they beat the Gators?

Yes, they are. Kenny Irons thinks the midget was his trophy.

No 11 – Answer No 4 Above

I am rethinking answer no 4 above, after seeing Tebow in jorts and sandals. (See picture linked below.)

http://vmedia.rivals.com/UserMedia/FanPagesPhoto/Gallery/166/O63466.jpg

#13

No, but AU does have bragging rights.

Orson-LOL. My best friend is a Gator fan. I think he talks more about that play then he does the Nat’l Title. ‘Course, I’m an asshole AU fan, so that may be why…

Did anyone else lose money on that game? I took Florida to beat the points, and that turnover returned for a TD to end the game cost me a 3 game parlay. Between that freak play, how many TDs are scored on the last play of the game, and the fumble/not fumble, I was pissed that October evening.

Conversely, I took Duke to beat the points versus UConn in the ’04 NCAA Final Four semis, so I guess it all evens out.

Geez, a MNC isn’t enough huh?

Since you had 85 net yards the entire 2nd Half there really is no doubt the Gators would have rolled after they correctly changed the call to intentional grounding.

That’s 6 in a row and 8 of last 9 Top 10 ranked teams leaving Auburn with a loss.

You should lose money based on the fact that you play parlays. Why not just send a check every week to your bookie instead, or possibly just throw the cash into the toilet? Same thing.

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Now if you can just get those pesky unranked teams (Arkansas, Georgia) to leave with losses…

No, we don’t think we share in a national title. Just that we were the only ones to beat the national champions last year. Yeah, it was a questionable call, but everyone has them – sometimes they go your way, sometimes they don’t. Florida still won the championship so no harm no foul. For sure, FL will be gunning for the Tigers this year…in gainesville too. Should be great game! War Eagle. Watch out Tebow – here comes Blackmon…

I can has trofy EDSBSMD in sootcase?

PW, that is not going to happen. Arkansas owns us and Matt Stafford will never lose another game.

#20,

Amen.

#18

“That’s 6 in a row and 8 of last 9 Top 10 ranked teams leaving Auburn with a loss.”

is auburn getting rings made with that on it?? maybe put it on a banner in juuuurden-hare???

Hit a 4 game parlay with 3 CUSA games (Houston, ECU, and somebody else covering) and South Carolina beating the points versus Florida last year, which compensated for my losses the entire season.

So, no, I think I will get by without your advice.

I have a friend who is doing his residency in internal medicine, currently. A patient that he saw/observed/whatever residents do hit an 11, count them 11, game parlay during bowl season last year.

That guy walked away with more than $10K, which I thought was fair, seeing as how he was on dialysis.

Has anyone seen espn.com’s latest shitty idea?

http://sports.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation/story?id=2963011

1. We were on something like the 9 yard line when that happened. I doubt we punt.

1. It’s a photoshop. The jorts would melt before they came close to the skin of the Tebow.

#17
That’s Auburn for ya—-BIG wins equaled by Sizeable losses. What/Where would Tubby be without ‘04? Speaking of, Aubs almost lost to a 4-9 Bama team that year that didn’t even have a starter in their backfield (3-4 stringers)—That was the 2004 Tubby meltdown but Bama couldn’t finish the job. Hear me out—-will Tubs have a meltdown EVERY YEAR? Hey don’t hate on me! Many AU’s are asking the same thing (I Didn’t invent the phrase “9 win Tubby”…

1. - thanks for the reminder?

Orson, Stranko – What ever happened to the “Every Day Should Be Suck My Dick” spin-off site?

Is that on wheels yet?

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Yeah you’re right; I forgot where we were on that play. Anyway, I just didn’t like Leak propensity to make stupid plays late in close games.

Keep betting those parlays, man. If you’re having fun do it. But don’t expect it to be anything sustainable.

Barners == Lots of wins but nothing to show for it. Sour Grapes baby, Sour Grapes.

Gators == Lots of wins, and a few (7 SEC, 2 National – IN THE MODERN ERA mind you) championships.

One positive thing about the Barners is they own the Houndstooth rejects from Tuscalooser. I applaud that.

I watched that play a dozen times last night on the 62" high-def frame by frame…

Kwitche Bitchin…..no way that was anything BUT a fumble….

Congrats on the MNC and we were definately pulling for you….just remember where ya got that black-eye…

:-)~~~

it wouldn’t be a real Florida National Championship without losing a game on the way their first.

Keep offending the Tebow, you mere mortals(aub fans) will pay with your souls…err and your W’s. Jorts and sandals, what the hell was he thinking.

besides undefeated seasons are totally overrated anyways. just ask me, i’m a fucking Auburn fan. i’ve got 2 of ’em and zero national titles. except on NCAA 2007, we got ourselves a ten year dynasty going.

The Jorts pic is a photoshop folks… PHOTOSHOP I SAY!

I’m just glad someone recognizes that Stafford will never lose another game. Yeah, it wasn’t a fumble. Florida still would’ve lost. Get over it.

#33….I correct myself…

It could have been a backward pass….same result…

ALgator,
keep on loving it cause we’re 3 outta the last 4 against Visor U. (and still lead the series with Awbin—-Hey I’m reachin’ here, I know—but I gotta fight for my team tears well in eyes I just gotta fight for my team **sniff**My…. team….fight…for……me….team….)

In all seriousness.. the Gators are a superior program – In addition, the blocked punt in the end zone sealed our fate that night. Fumble, whatever… effing special teams missed a block, the guy ran right by him untouched.

Damn…that was # 34…I can’t even correct my correction….

don’t think for a second that the ref made the wrong call. he’s levitating for crying out loud. tell me he wouldn’t be able to see perfectly from that palacial view 7 inches off the ground…

Odd: where’s the (usually reliable) AU/bama threadjack??

As was explained numerous times last season, it was definitely a fumble by the (rather oddball) NCAA rules. In the pros, it would have been an incompletion. But despite Alabama’s best efforts, college is not the pros.

Plus, even if it had been ruled incomplete, it just negated an opportunity for Florida to miss yet another field goal. Florida got their asses handed to them in the second half, and that’s why they lost.

1. bellefay — thank you for reminding me of that ridiculous article about the “dangerous conditions” after Auburn fans “stormed the field”. Will Collier had a nice video breakdown of that theory. How does someone like that get paid to write, anyway?

1. Bama fans are starting to take on traits of their new coach. For this shit they have not the time.

A gambler who does not parlay is like a hedge fund operator who does not leverage his risks at 8:1 ratios…

Either party I want nothing to do with.

#45
kind of a controversial theory here…but I think Bamers (and I am one) thinks its kinda cool that Auburn Beat the NC Gators last year… I never pull for AU—-that would violate everything I am—BUT in hind-site I kinda grin about it. (please don’t tell my momma- she would disown me———O’ the shame!!)

#47: point taken

#49: mum’s the word!

This needs repeating….since obviously War Chicken fans forgot the eventual outcome of the season…

http://digitalheadbutt.files.wordpress.com/2007/01/chris_leak.jpg

You cannot be seriously trying to say that wasn’t a fumble.

As an Auburn alumni, how in the world can you be NC with two pathetic losses? That is Bammer saying that BS. Get a grip.

And yes, Tubs wins some big ones he is not suppose to but he can sure as hell drop the ones he is suppose to win. Biggest ears in the SEC can hear the calls on the other side of the field, that is why he went after Wilbur’s punt.

#50

Thought provoking words … I guess directed reading courses in sociology paid off!

1. & #2- Yup.

When I come to Gainsvegas on 9/28-9/30 I am going to donkey punch any body who brings up this fumble.

As an Auburn fan let me say I did have this moment at the Georgia tailgate. My conversation ran:

Georgia is down this year, they lost to Kentucky and Vanderbilt. Granted it is an early morning kickoff and they do have a lot of talent and they are unranked… shit we’re going to lose this game.

I have no fear of the swamp this year or Les Miles and Baton Rouge. It just won’t matter after we lay a steamer against South Florida.

A fumble period.

What is sweet is that there were at least three SEC teams that would have punked the greatest team evah tOSU.

You gaytors win a few more SEC titles and another NC and maybe us big boys in the SEC will let y’all join the PowerHouse club.

Until then War Damn Eagle!

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How many SEC championships are required for membership? Did we get too many?

That play happened on a 3rd down, and at first glance it looks like Leak was trying to tuck the ball and not throw it. However, if you look closely at one of the replays they showed on ESPN while they were reviewing it, you’ll see right before he releases it, his eyes shift from looking downfield to looking to the near sideline. He was trying to ground the ball, which would have either been a penalty(equal to a sack) or just an incomplete pass, making it 4th down. If that’s the case, say UF makes the field goal. That puts them up 20-18. Auburn still probably wins, either 21-20 or 27-20. I realize that if Florida is up, that changes the dynamic of the rest of the game, but hey, this is all just speculation anyway. But anyway, even though the call was wrong, more likely than not it wouldn’t have mattered.

61: We would have missed the FG =(

But damnit, we should have had the chance for that miss!

#46

you must smoke massive amounts of crack. ncaa rulebook stipulates that ANY forward motion with the ball is considered a FORWARD PASS. there is no “tuck rule” in college ball. the worst part of the whole thing is the fact that Mr. AL Ford refused to review the play and we were forced to use a timeout….and then he only reviewed the play for 30 friggin seconds. That’s some sorry ass horseshite right there…the Auburn officials did not follow the rules of college football in that game which is why every commentator afterwards pretty much pointed out that we were robbed.

AHHHHHHGGGGGRRRR!!!

((((passes out))))

#59

Last I checked Auburn needs a few more National Championships before proclaiming themselves a member of the “Powerhouse Club”….

When you have fewer national championships than Georgia Tech and the same numer as Ole Miss you are a far cry from a Powerhouse…in fact Ga. Tech (1990) and Ole Miss (1960) have won it more recently than your “Powerhouse” cow college…that is just sad…

Yea I just watched the clip on youtube. The ball traveled the shortest distance a ball can travel and be considered a pass. Y’all got hosed…but I feel no pity. Its like how bad I feel for BIll Gates when Microsoft Stock takes a big hit.

#63: Your post doesn’t make much sense. “There is no ‘tuck rule’ in college ball”? How does that help your argument? The tuck rule is what makes something that looks like a fumble not a fumble (hey to Tom Brady). If there’s no tuck rule, that just increases the chances that what Leak did was a fumble.

NFL: “If a QB loses the ball before he has tucked it firmly into his body, even if his intention no longer is to throw it, the play is an incomplete pass.” (Chris Leak play would be an incomplete pass in the NFL)
NCAA: If you are no longer intending to throw the ball, it’s a fumble. Lead was clearly pulling his hand back when the ball popped out. Fumble.

The supposed “experts” who claimed that was a bad call were consistently arguing the NFL rules. Those in the know (e.g., officials and formal officials) that commented on it, all confirmed the call.

the only thing it shows was that Leak was trying to throw the ball at Tate Casey’s feet (8 yards away)

it was a forward pass in every sense of the ncaa guidelines

even hardcore barners im personal friends with know we were hosed…

im almost more pisssed about losing that game than i am happy about winning the BCS…lol

It would have been 4th down for your horrible kicker (made 1 kick all year at that point) to try a 30 yard field goal (more if they call grounding) from the hash.

Auburn did not score on the drive after the fumble, they pissed it away and then punted.

It might not have made a difference, but we’ll never know. Anyone saying it wouldn’t have knows two things. Jack and shit.

They blew the call, by NCAA rules or any rules.

Watch for yourself. Arm forward. Throwing motion. Ball goes forward. That’s a pass.

Rules state:

The pass begins the moment the passer’s arm begins to move forward.

It doesn’t matter if the ball travels 50 yards forward or 50 inches. It’s a pass. Period.

The pass begins the moment the passer’s arm begins to move forward.

Yes, the pass attempt begins at that moment, and it ends at the moment when the passer begins trying to pull the ball back and not throw it, which clearly happens. (Unless you think a passer’s hand should be going backwards on his follow through?)

and it ends at the moment when the passer begins trying to pull the ball back and not throw it

Except that he never did that. Nowhere. Watch the video in the link again. The ball comes out of his hand awkwardly, but it’s never brought back, ending his throwing motion. The ball comes out at the end of his throwing motion – he never brought it back. You can delve into the mind of Chris Leak and posit that this is what he was trying to do, but there ZERO evidence of that, and regardless, intent does not make a pass a fumble. He threw an ugly pass, but it was still a pass.

I guess the only certain thing about it is that the NCAA has crappy rules defining a pass (among other things)- Leak CLEARLY wasn’t trying to throw the ball.

Leak CLEARLY wasn’t trying to throw the ball.

Another mind reader I guess.

It doesn’t matter however, because as previously stated, it’s irrelevant.

Arm going forward. Throwing motion. Ball release at end of motion. Ball goes forward. Everything about it was a pass.

And again, the NCAA rules in this regard make absolutely no difference. I’ll post the exact wording for you from the NCAA rules:

Forward and Backward Pass
ARTICLE 2. a. A forward pass is determined by the point where the ball first strikes the ground, a player, an official or anything beyond the spot of the pass. All other passes are backward passes. When in question, it is a forward pass rather than a backward pass when thrown in or behind the neutral zone.

b. When a Team Aplayer is holding the ball to pass it forward toward the neutral zone, any intentional forward movement of his arm starts the
forward pass. If a Team B player contacts the passer or ball after forward movement begins and the ball leaves the passer’s hand, a forward pass is ruled regardless of where the ball strikes the ground or a player (A.R.2-19-2-I).

c. When in question, the ball is passed and not fumbled during an attempted forward pass.

Palouse, I was agreeing with you on it being the wrong call, according to the crappy NCAA rule you’ve cited above. But watch the video- if he really intended to pass the ball, it would have left his hand before his arm moved downward. Since there is no exception to that rule to provide for such a case, it is an incomplete pass, but still a crappy rule.

it would have left his hand before his arm moved downward.

Look at the still shot of it in the original posting. The ball is clearly out of his hand and his arm is not downward.

But we agree it was a bad call. I would equate it to a pass where he held the ball for too long. I wouldn’t necessarily agree that there should be a fumble rule for that either.

I think his arm may have moved up afterwards, but I’d need to watch the video again.

But we all know the photo above is bunk. There’s no shart stains! ;)

I think his arm may have moved up afterwards, but I’d need to watch the video again.

Take a look at the link in post #70. Be sure to pause it and take a look at the stills at :19 and :20. No pull backs or noticeable arm going downwards. The ball does come out of his hand awkwardly, but there’s no awkward release fumble rule either.

Well, by the rule as quoted, a pump fake qualifies as a forward pass. So a pump fake followed by a pass would actually be a penalty (two passes on same play). Obviously, something is missing.

So when does the pass attempt end? If it’s actually thrown, then it’s when it’s caught, hits the ground or goes out of bounds. If it’s not thrown, it’s at the moment when the QB is no longer trying to throw it (again: college rule here, not the NFL). So, again, the question becomes as to whether Leak was still trying to throw the ball when it came out of his hand.

To me, it’s clear that he wasn’t. To the on field officials, it’s clear that he wasn’t. To the replay official, it’s clear that he wasn’t. To the SEC office which reviewed and confirmed the play, it’s clear that he wasn’t. To a retired SEC official that wrote a column commenting on the play, it’s clear that he wasn’t. But I’m sure you have it all figured out better than they do.

Yeah, I’ve never heard of officials defending their horrible calls on the field. Especially game changing calls like that one. I’m sure they all just readily admit their mistakes and are willing in incur the wrath of thousands of fans. Gotcha.

So when does the pass attempt end? If it’s actually thrown, then it’s when it’s caught, hits the ground or goes out of bounds.

Look at the video again. He pump fakes once, and the second time his arm goes forward, the ball releases from his hand at the end of the motion. That’s a pass.

And a pump fake does not qualify as a pass under those rules. Re-read article 2a again. Leak’s pass clearly went forward and hit the ground in front of him.

While you are at it, read 2c again. Carefully.

When in question, the ball is passed and not fumbled during an attempted forward pass.

So that incompletion ? results in a TD! Man that’s a stretch, you got your ass kicked. Deal with it.