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So that incompletion ? results in a TD! Man that’s a stretch, you got your ass kicked. Deal with it.
Comment by Dr. Ed PHD.XYZ — November 21, 2007 @ 9:10 am
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And a pump fake does not qualify as a pass under those rules. Re-read article 2a again. Leak’s pass clearly went forward and hit the ground in front of him.
While you are at it, read 2c again. Carefully.
When in question, the ball is passed and not fumbled during an attempted forward pass.
Comment by Palouse — August 21, 2007 @ 12:01 pm
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So when does the pass attempt end? If it’s actually thrown, then it’s when it’s caught, hits the ground or goes out of bounds.
Look at the video again. He pump fakes once, and the second time his arm goes forward, the ball releases from his hand at the end of the motion. That’s a pass.
Comment by Palouse — August 21, 2007 @ 11:55 am
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Yeah, I’ve never heard of officials defending their horrible calls on the field. Especially game changing calls like that one. I’m sure they all just readily admit their mistakes and are willing in incur the wrath of thousands of fans. Gotcha.
Comment by Palouse — August 21, 2007 @ 11:51 am
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Well, by the rule as quoted, a pump fake qualifies as a forward pass. So a pump fake followed by a pass would actually be a penalty (two passes on same play). Obviously, something is missing.
So when does the pass attempt end? If it’s actually thrown, then it’s when it’s caught, hits the ground or goes out of bounds. If it’s not thrown, it’s at the moment when the QB is no longer trying to throw it (again: college rule here, not the NFL). So, again, the question becomes as to whether Leak was still trying to throw the ball when it came out of his hand.
To me, it’s clear that he wasn’t. To the on field officials, it’s clear that he wasn’t. To the replay official, it’s clear that he wasn’t. To the SEC office which reviewed and confirmed the play, it’s clear that he wasn’t. To a retired SEC official that wrote a column commenting on the play, it’s clear that he wasn’t. But I’m sure you have it all figured out better than they do.
Comment by HFS — August 21, 2007 @ 8:28 am
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I think his arm may have moved up afterwards, but I’d need to watch the video again.
Take a look at the link in post #70. Be sure to pause it and take a look at the stills at :19 and :20. No pull backs or noticeable arm going downwards. The ball does come out of his hand awkwardly, but there’s no awkward release fumble rule either.
Comment by Palouse — August 20, 2007 @ 3:10 pm
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I think his arm may have moved up afterwards, but I’d need to watch the video again.
But we all know the photo above is bunk. There’s no shart stains!
Comment by MiseanAUfan — August 20, 2007 @ 2:47 pm
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it would have left his hand before his arm moved downward.
Look at the still shot of it in the original posting. The ball is clearly out of his hand and his arm is not downward.
But we agree it was a bad call. I would equate it to a pass where he held the ball for too long. I wouldn’t necessarily agree that there should be a fumble rule for that either.
Comment by Palouse — August 20, 2007 @ 2:34 pm