SABAN COLLECTS SECONDARY VIOLATIONS, GREY SUITS

Allow me to make the first of what will undoubtedly be many references to the fact that this is yet another example of shit for which Saban does not have time.

Most people forget that Saban served on the NCAA’s rules committee for a long period of time. I think he knows what he’s doing.

I consulted Joe Kines on this and he said “We just gotta stop that inside trout”!!!!!!!

I’m starting to wonder if Saban rubs people the wrong way. It seems like he has trouble making friends.

Son, we live in a world that has 18 year old boys, and those boys have to be recruited by men with grey suits. Whose gonna do it? You? You, Les Miles? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for secondary violations, and you curse the Tide. You have that luxury.

You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That these “secondary violations”, while tragic, probably saved scholarships. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, looks good in grey suits. You don’t want the truth because deep down in places you don’t talk about at parties, you want me on that 18 yr. old boy, you need me on that 18 year old boy.

We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the suit jacket of the very free education that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a credit card, and take an 18 yr old boy to dinner. Either way, I don’t give a damn what you think you are entitled to. And I don’t have time for this shit.

Alex Gatewood is quaking in his tassel loafers at The Locker Room. This might just run him out of business after 44 years.

99 cocktails to RCR

+1000 Cocktails to you RCR…

That’s phedonkatastic….

“That Saban’s been tagged this often and this early means other SEC coaches a.) hate his ass already, and b.) fear his recruiting already.”

By other SEC coaches you mean Phil Fulmer, right? How long until another lawsuit is filed against him by the ’Bamers? I give it to October.

“That Saban’s been tagged this often and this early means other SEC coaches a.) hate his ass already, and b.) fear his recruiting already.”

A and B are certainly a valid inferences that may be drawn from the given fact, i.e. “Saban’s name has turned up more than any other coach’s in other schools’ allegations of secondary NCAA rules violations…”

However, I propose an equally valid inference may be drawn; Saban/Alabama is committing more secondary recruiting violations than any other coach/school.

It is likely true that other coaches hate Saban’s ass and fear his recruiting. This does not preclude Saban/Alabama from committing secondary (or other violations) at a championship rate. Saban does have time for that shit.

#6

excellent obscure tuscaloosa reference. the locker room better stock up on gray suits…..and straw hats.

no wonder nick saban doesn’t have time for shit….div. l head coach, retail clothing empire, secondary violations……

I am perplexed as to why the rest of the SEC would think that Alabama would ever violate NCAA rules on recruiting.

This is off-topic but I bet $100 Jim Delaney wrote the last two comments to this story about the Big Ten Network about to be screwed by the FCC.

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070724/BLOG14/70724023/1054/rss19

Why does everything in the SEC that’s even remotely related to Alabama scandals have cheetoh dust left on them? I heard the corpse of Logan Young, while brutally mangled, was coated in delicious powdered cheesey goodness.

RCR is the greatest human EVAR. I’m convinced he exists on a seperate plane of existance, only appearing to us as a means of passing on his advanced knowledge of foobaw and life. We should all be thankful that RCR does, in fact, have time for this shit.

Funny about Nick and the rules committee. He forgot to teach his backup safety the one about leaping over the LOS on kicks in week 3 of the season in which he approved the rule and claimed it was a silly rule after that game. lol

1. that’s not what Kines said. I believe the correct quote was"

WE JUST GOTTA STOP THAT INSIDE TROUT!!!!!!!!!!!

Here’s to hoping Bruce Willis makes it in time to prevent the Saban/Bowden handshake at the Parole Tide/Criminole Bowl in Jax Municipal Need A Sponsor Stadium.

I doubt we’re all less than fuck’d.

Nicholson is less crazy than Saban. He does charge less though, so there is that.

Cocktails for everyone!

RCR genius. I wept in envy when I stopped crying from laughing.

The history of the gray suit…

http://forums.scout.com/mb.aspx?S=6&F=1010#S=6&F=1010&T=455058

http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/?p=3029

RCR, was that an homage to the comment left in the above thread, or simply a coincidence?

Comment # 63

nick saban doesn’t have time for belts or belt loops….blah, blah, blah…..

seriously though….sansabelts are FUCKING GAAAAAAAYYYYYY!!!!!!

Credit RCR.

PeterPumpkinhead—just a coincidence. And thanks Whitey, Jebus, and Jerkwheat. Also, I really DON’T have time for this shit, but I seem to do it anyway. Thank God that I my pay does not reflect my actual work. That is, until I start my new job next week…

#22-23
Ain’t nothing wrong with a Molly Hatchet cover, ever.

I wasn’t ripping RCR, I thought that was fuckin’ hilarious… I was just wondering if he had seen the first one.

Many cocktails to RCR. May he have time for that shit.

We’d speculate many of the missives will have Chee-to stains on the margins of the paper.

That wasn’t Phil Fulmer, but we are meant to think it was. Phil would’ve licked any traces of chee-to dust from the page before mailing it to the authorities. I suspect Les Miles concocted this scheme somewhere inside that giant cranium of his.

“you want me on that 18 yr. old boy, you need me on that 18 year old boy”

Freakin’ gold! Gold!

No. 10: brilliant.

You handle Occam’s Razor well.

in one of the links to a board, a poster said:

“36 extra short suit coats are hard to find.”

http://www.decaturdaily.com/decaturdaily/sports/070720/auburn.shtml
Auburn had MORE violations than Bama in athletics and equal to bama in Football.
Bama just makes the news more than Auburn.
Also Tuberville does NOT own a grey-suit, but will begin selling ads on his ear-lobes. (his head phones will hurt his business so be-warned!!)

http://www.al.com/birminghamnews/stories/index.ssf?/base/sports/1185354016325230.xml&coll=2

The B’ham News is changing its name to the Saban Daily.

“This does not preclude Saban/Alabama from committing secondary (or other violations) at a championship rate. Saban does have time for that shit.”

While this is certainly, at least theoretically, feesible, it runs counter to the absolute truth that football begins and ends in Turdtown. You do know they have 12 national championships, don’t you?

While I, for one, never get tired of Nick Saban stories, I feel the need to point something out . That may have been the most poorly written piece of shit that I have ever read.

I’m just sayin.

The original column, that is. Surely nothing written on this site could approach the crapulence displayed by Mr. Melick.

RCR, re: #5

clap, clap

Well done.

-Joe

“Auburn had MORE violations than Bama in athletics and equal to bama in Football. Bama just makes the news more than Auburn.”

Actually that means that Auburn self reported more violations than bama. Those numbers have nothing to do with how many infractions were actually committed.

Allaha: Thanks, I get tired of the facile “You’re just jealous/scared” argument.

TailbackU: So I’ve heard, and the 12 NC’s does not even take inflation into account. Alabama could claim at least 16 in today’s NC’s

I haven’t read all of the comments yet, but could it be that Saban knows his ass has to deliver, yesterday, or they are going to run his ass out of town, throw a rock through his window and threaten his wife and daughter like Bama fans have done to previous coaches.

Excessive secondary violations sounds like the actions of a man who has found the recruiting trail in Alabama is not quite as fertile and unobstructed as they were Louisiana.

My take on Saban will always be that he is a barely above average coach who struck recruiting gold in the state of Louisiana, a state with 4.5 million people and only one major football university, sorry La Tech. He has never, ever been a coach who can take lesser talent and beat better talent…it wasn’t until he started landing those back to back top 2-3 recruiting classes national-wide that he won his 1/2 national championship, and even that year he didn’t have to face USC and lost to a team ranked 20th when they played them. I’m not impressed.

Furthermore, Saban is an arrogant ass – perfect for Bama.

Allahver…that would be the “Gator” Bowl where reFSU and bammer wil play this fall. And don’t you frickin’ forget it! (vehemence in response to Dawg fans applauding the previous renaming of the stadium to Alltell or Cleanshower, or anything but Gator).

And before CapstoneJim or any other Bama fans starts trying to compare Saban to Tressel, let me point out that Saban, while at LSU, suffered 11 ten-point or more losses to sweatervests 5.

Saban had losses of 32, 31, 29, 29, 24, 18, and 15, and those weren’t all just during his first year – in fact one of them was in 2003 the 1/2 NC year.

Tressel’s double-digit losses look like this: 27, 26, 14, 12, 11, with no losses in the 14-0 NC year. Tressel’s tenure also includes 4 BCS games, and a series with Texas.

Oh, those losses are from 5 years for Saban and 6 years for Tressel.

tosu,
“Excessive secondary violations sounds like the actions of a man who has found the recruiting trail in Alabama is not quite as fertile and unobstructed as they were Louisiana.”

Actually Alabama is a more fertile recruiting ground than Louisiana and Auburn recruits better in Ga and Fla than in state. Just check out the top players in the state this year. While it is a bumper crop this year, historically Alabama isn’t that far behind Ohio and Pennsylvania in producing D1 talent.

“Saban had losses of 32, 31, 29, 29, 24, 18, and 15, and those weren’t all just during his first year – in fact one of them was in 2003 the 1/2 NC year”

That’s cause he coached in the SEC, and look what the talent he recruited has done the last two years.

#43
Darn good point you’ve got there. Following the Jags here for season after season of hearing Alltel made/makes it tough to realize what it really is. I’m being brainwashed.

Could be worse though (LOUISVILLE).

I think what the bammer above meant to post was this: So far, Auburn has reported more secondary violations in their Athletics Department and the same number as uat in football.

But — and here’s the most important part of the story — uat will soon submit a report to the Southeastern Conference regarding Saben’s “improper contacts” with three Miami prospects.

The most frequent violations is his fondness for wearing a woman’s hat with coordinated team color sash on the practice field which is a level of woosification that no NCAA rules committee will overlook.

1. is UAB now in the SEC…last I checked they were in Conference USA.

And to further argue the point, if the Big Ten is soooo weak, then why didn’t Saban ever win a Big Ten title or consistently beat better programs with less talent?

Look, I get it, Saban is your guy and you are going to defend him, love him, and worship him while he is your coach. He can do no wrong, there is a reasonable explanation for any “coaching” question marks surrounding his coaching career, and most importantly he is your new leader.

However, realists, or outsiders with no emotional investment in Saban, who have a half-way decent level of football competence know that Saban is a slightly above normal coach, who has always only won when he has better talent, and who is at best a slightly above average X’s and O’s guy. He specializes in defense only – and for anyone who specializes in defense only to give up sooo many big losses is almost unexplainable.

And I don’t care what league you play in, those are some eye popping losses – you can play the conference card all you want – it’s all bull shit to me.

By slightly above normal coach I mean in terms of X’s and O’s – now he might be the world’s best recruiter or motivater or leader, but I have never really seen him just flat out coach someone with lesser talent.

1. 47
   “and look what the talent he recruited has done the last two years.”

I think that reinforces my point – with that kind of talent anyone can win.

Funny how the talent the last two years has been playing in the same league as those teams that suffered all those double digit losses…is it starting to become clear yet????

He only wins with better talent and he knows that he has to get every single top recruit he can get in order to win – hence the secondary violations…

#46
In Louisiana Saban basically had what Tressel has, the ability to put a fence up around the state and keep all of the top talent in state at LSU. That is simply not the case in Alabama – Auburn will get it’s share and then there will be those who want to leave Alabama to experience college life outside of the state.

There is absolutely no comparison to what Saban had at LSU – and Saban knows it.

is there really a krystals in downtown tuscaloosa?

1. That’s cause he coached in the SEC

Damn I don’t want to start arguing conferences again, but since you brought it up. You are talking about the same SEC that USC has run through like Maurice Clarett does grey goose, right?

You know, 2002 when USC beat Auburn 24-17 and LSU lost to Auburn 31-7…that’s the SEC that you are talking about, right? Or is it the one in which USC beat Auburn 24-0, or Arkansas 70-17 and 50-14?

tOSU shut up already
Saban got to where he could dominate a mid-major conference and then jumped to a better one. This is what ambitious coaches do.

WTF….. ARE YOU talking about the USC team that got it’s ass beat by UCLA or the USC team that got beat by a bunch of Beavers.
Are you a Fuckeyes fan or not?
You know the onenut wonders from Ohio.

#47
“That’s cause he coached in the SEC”

Well, that statement just got under my skin and forced me to look at Saban’s record while in the Big Ten – I was just curious of the big losses were only because the SEC is so tough.

Here’ s what I found.

1995:
50-10 Loss to Nebraska;
21-7 Loss to Iowa;
45-14 Loss to Wisconsin;
45-26 Loss to LSU;

1996:
55-14 Loss to Nebraska;
30-20 Loss to Louisville;
45-29 Loss to Michigan;
38-0 Loss to Stanford;

1997:
23-7 Loss to Michigan;
37-13 Loss to Ohio State;
51-23 Loss to Washington;

1998:
23-26 Loss to Colorado State;
48-14 Loss to Oregon;
29-17 Loss to Michigan;
51-28 Loss to Penn State;

1999:
52-28 Loss to Purdue;
40-10 Loss to Wisconsin;

It’s been said before, over, and over, and over again.

It’s not playing just one team, it’s playing the conference schedule.

Fuck, I’m pretty sure Kentucky could go 11-1 every year if they played a Pac 10 schedule with one decent OOC game. Doesn’t make them the greatest ever.

#58

hmm, let’s see, USC has lost 6 games total in the last six years by a total of 22 points…they have 3 heisman winners and 2 national championships during that time period…that’s the USC I’m talking about.

The sum of all of Carroll’s losses over the last six years (22 points) is less than Saban’s AVERAGE loss for those 11 double digit losses while at LSU – roughly 25 points.

The last couple of years he beat UM and tosu and ho-hum wanted a real challenge instead of a 1-2 team conference.

That 1998 loss to Colorado State should be striked from the record – MSU only lost 23-16 it was not a double digit loss.

Not losing to PURDUE 52-28 and WISCONSIN 40-10 was not big enough challenge? Or did he realize he needed to get the fuck out-a-dodge and find somewhere he can recruit talent? He did not beat Michigan his last couple of years, just his last. And just about everyone in the free world knows that the 1998 win over Ohio State was the luckiest, biggest upset of the year – by way of 5 turnovers and sub freezing weather.

YOU ARE INSANE….. TOSUBUCK….YOU ARE NOT EVEN PULLING FOR YOUR TEAM.
You aren’t talking about the ass woopin you took in January are you.
By the way the team you were playing was from the SEC.
Tha is what it is like almost every week.

tosu-The lil eleven is a second rate conference and Satan went on to bigger and better things. Does not the NC loss to the 3rd or 4th best team in the SEC do anything to drill that home.

If not go about your xenophobic existence and make excuses about why you lose games when you get out of that dog conference.

1000 shot’s of Patrone to you Wilet…..

Back at ya Charlie. He is a fool like so many others at NC game.

Unlike most other classy fans that would have congratulated UF the osu clowns kept talking shit. WHat would have LSU done to osu?

Ah yes, an illiterate Bammer in his natural habitat: an internet message board.

CH and Willet -

This is not about tOSU and the National Championship game and you saying that the 41-14 ass whipping is just a regular day in the SEC is no different ant USC saying that the 70-17 ass whipping or any of the ass whippings they’ve handed out is just a regular day in the Pac 10. You’re narrow-mindedness is blatantly obvious – how can you judge an entire conference or season on one game? Much less a bowl game played way after the regular season…that is insane…

The topic of this tread is not tOSU vs. Florida in the NC…it is about Saban and his “secondary violations” and my argument is that he is committing mass secondary violations because he knows that unless he has superior talent he will not win like he did at LSU…the huge double digit losses point to that – along with the fact that Saban has never, ever taken a team with lesser talent and “coached” them up to beat teams with better talent.

#59

While there is only 1 double digit loss to a big ten team for Saban that year, it should be noted that he lost to both Penn State and Iowa in addition to the Michigan double digit loss.

#6

I agree with Gerry Dorsey that the comment about Mr. Gatewood and the Lockeroom being one of the(if not THE) greatest obscure T-Town reference EVER.

My friend is one of the man servants who works there. The main benefit (besides getting discounts on red pants with Elephants on them) is being able to park on the lawn of the LR whenever you drive down to the strip.

TOSU,

Lighten up on the obsession – it ain’t healthy.

#59

There sure are alot of teams that have hung over 50 points on Ole’ Saban. How in the hell did he get the reputation as a "defensive mastermind?

Now excuse me while I go put on my grey suit and blow dry my butt-cut.

tOSUBuckeyes, did Nick Saban beat up your dad right in front of you when you were seven or did your mom have on a Bama tshirt when she beat your ass for using metal hangers? Something triggered this hate, and it damn sure is not a footbawl thing…

#72

Compliment much appreciated. Have been funding Alex’s retirement account since 1970, and I’m sure he’s sweating bullets at the thought of Coach Satan’s new enterprise.

No doubt Satan will now go into the outdoor wear/gear bidness and try to bankrupt Alex’s son.

I actually don’t “hate” Saban, it’s the Bama fan base that is so quick to take whoever their new coach is and prop him up as the greatest thing ever and the coach that is going to bring Bama “back” that really drives me nuts.

I don’t think that any of my comments in this thread have been hate-based, it’s just my opinion that Saban is desperate to get the top national recruiting class because he knows that having the top talent, along with a good work-ethic (not going to take that away from him), is the only way that he is going to live up to the label of the highest paid college coach in the history of college football.

Holy crap, tosu, you’re hatred is reaching new highs. I suggest a girlfriend/boyfriend/goat or whatever you’re into.

You need to relax, dude.

#74
That 1999 Purdue team that hung 52 on Saban’s defense was a 7-5 team.

The 1995 Wisconsin team that hung 45 on Saban’s defense was a 4-5-2 team.

The 1997 Washington team that hung 51 on Saban’s defense was a 8-4 team.

Re: #70, TOSU

Do you have any evidence of this massive amount of secondary violations, or are you just talking out of your ass as you usually do?

was that a tan suit at media days!?

tOSU, dude- regardless of past blowouts, loss to UAB etc. Saban has had some very accomplished seasons—2 SEC titles and 1 BCS title at LSU as well as some nice performances At MS—His recruiting prowess has transformed a 2nd rate LSU program into a contender that even Les Miles can win with…why get so sweaty trying to minimalize his success?

tosu,
What football coach doesn’t try to recruit the best players?

Did Carroll beat any teams that had more talent than his? Mack Brown? etc.

LSU was second rate because a ton of in-state talent was being taken by other programs…Saban put an end to that, to his credit. I think Saban gets way too much credit for those 2 SEC titles…he lost to Tenn., Florida, and Ole Miss during that first SEC title year…Spurrier owned his ass…and a RON ZOOK coached Florida team beat him in 2003.

Sure he has “accomplished” some nice things, but my whole point on Saban has been that he has received way too much credit, has never really out-coached anyone with less players, and he knows he better land a top 3 class next year or he will be in deep shit at Bama.

As for what LSU has done since Saban left, it speaks to the very nature of my argument – the backbone of Saban’s success is not being a defensive mastermind as evidenced by the blowout losses I noted – it is that he recruited top 3 classes at LSU – recruited so much talent that even Miles could win with those players.

tOSU, you’re makin’ this too complicated…just look at ONE THING…look at the state of the programs he coached BEFORE he arrived—DURING his tenure then AFTER he left. Your a buckeye (not from the south?) so you may not believe this, but LSU NEVER expected to be the caliber program that they are right now…NEVER! (instate talent not withstanding) I know LSU grads, fans and bandwagoneers who will concur—Saban did more than they would have even dared to imagine. This “all he did” mentality is just inadequate. Stop isolating games for your point- look at the big picture.

Oh, and that 2002 team of Saban’s is only one of 2 teams EVER, in the entire history of all college football in all conferences (FSU’s 2005 team being the other) to win either a share or an outright conference championship with 3 losses in conference play.

Yeah those conference championship games are really great for college football – keep it up and we’ll have a national champion with 3 losses – can you say NCNFLAA.

So yeah, that SEC championship in 2002 is totally overrated and he has gotten way too much credit for it.

Also, I would like to see someone break down the numbers as to just how many of Saban’s recruits started last year for LSU.

In 2002 Saban got a rematch with Tenn in the SEC CG – beat them – Tenn losses to Maryland 30-3 in the following bowl game..finishes 8-4…WTF?

Ah, it’s all coming into focus now. In 2002 Bama couldn’t go to the SEC CG because of probation – despite ass whipping LSU 31-0. Therefore Saban gets LSU in there and upsets Tenn…..

You are just mad that TOSU has never beat Alabama and their overal bowl record is 18-20.
And it’s ok I would be pissed as well.
Let’s face it ,had the ref’s not stepped in TOSU would not have even won the NC against Miami and your angry. Like a child who was not loved.

TOSU – Your obsession with the past would seem to indicate you might actually be a Bama fan. Welcome !

tOSU,
in sincerity, I have to give you props for pointing to stats to make your claims—but I just don’t think you’re giving Saban enough credit. LSU is a national title contender BECAUSE of what Saban did when he was there…..PERIOD. I think He can do the same at Bama…now let’s see what happens.

#90

I hear you and I believe Saban deserves some credit; but if you really break down his career with honest and objective eyes, it is clear to see that he has a history of having his defenses lit up and only beats teams when he has superior talent. Nothing wrong with that…some coaches are great recruiters…some are great X’s and O’s guys…

I just think he has received WAY TOO much credit for his accomplishments. The 2002 season was a joke, losing 31-0 to Bama and still getting to the SECCG…then in 2003 Kansas State beats OU 35-7 and OU still gets to play LSU in the NCG, LSU wins 21-14. USC shuts Auburn out at Auburn and only loses to Cal by 3 in overtime; LSU plays Auburn at home and loses to a Ron Zook Florida team by double digits at home. USC was the better team that year, hands down.

#88

"You are just mad that TOSU has never beat Alabama and their overal bowl record is 18-20.
And it’s ok I would be pissed as well.

Of those 38 teams, only 11 of them were not conference champions, so 27 of those game Ohio State was facing a conference champion. Also, the Big Ten had a rule that the same team couldn’t go to the Rose Bowl in back to back years and there was a bowl ban from roughly 1921-1950 where the Big Ten would not allow teams to go to bowl games.

MORE PROOF THE BIG? IS ONE F’D UP CONFERENCE.