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		<title>By: Out of Conference</title>
		<link>http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2007/06/13/ncaa-bans-bloggers/comment-page-1/#comment-231640</link>
		<dc:creator>Out of Conference</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 21:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#26 NewAZTiger:  I wonder if Lousiville&#039;s official dollar bid to the NCAA for the super-regional game detailed anything about exclusive rights, etc. and what theose rights cover.  If this went very far, a judge/jury/arbitration would have to determine is it OK if a guy on a cell phone piped to a radio broadcast doing play-by-play was any different, if not, do they need permission?  A guy reading a book over the air would, or at least so says Dick Estell every morning at 8:29.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#26 NewAZTiger:  I wonder if Lousiville&#8217;s official dollar bid to the NCAA for the super-regional game detailed anything about exclusive rights, etc. and what theose rights cover.  If this went very far, a judge/jury/arbitration would have to determine is it OK if a guy on a cell phone piped to a radio broadcast doing play-by-play was any different, if not, do they need permission?  A guy reading a book over the air would, or at least so says Dick Estell every morning at 8:29.</p>
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		<title>By: PeterPumpkinhead</title>
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		<dc:creator>PeterPumpkinhead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 20:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and Orson, I think you&#039;re ok either way, because what you do is more like color commentary than play by play, and most of the time it would fall under the &quot;satire&quot; exemption anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and Orson, I think you&#8217;re ok either way, because what you do is more like color commentary than play by play, and most of the time it would fall under the &#8220;satire&#8221; exemption anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: PeterPumpkinhead</title>
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		<dc:creator>PeterPumpkinhead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 20:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m having trouble with this one, because on it&#039;s face it seems insane, but the more I think about it, the more I see the NCAA&#039;s side. 

I didn&#039;t see his bloging on the event, but one of the comments on his thread about being kicked out called it a &quot;blow by blow&quot; recap. There&#039;s a big difference between calling a friend, or txting them, and giving them the score and sending out each play, as it happens, over the web. 

And Don V is right, if that kind of blogging is ok, does that mean video-blogging is ok, too? Because once it is, ESPN isn&#039;t paying a cent for the broadcast rights. Then you get to watch it in VGA quality. 

Which brings up another interesting question... in 5 years when every cell phone has a 10MP, 45-frame/second, HD video camera in it, why do we need ESPN anymore?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m having trouble with this one, because on it&#8217;s face it seems insane, but the more I think about it, the more I see the NCAA&#8217;s side. </p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t see his bloging on the event, but one of the comments on his thread about being kicked out called it a &#8220;blow by blow&#8221; recap. There&#8217;s a big difference between calling a friend, or txting them, and giving them the score and sending out each play, as it happens, over the web. </p>
<p>And Don V is right, if that kind of blogging is ok, does that mean video-blogging is ok, too? Because once it is, ESPN isn&#8217;t paying a cent for the broadcast rights. Then you get to watch it in VGA quality. </p>
<p>Which brings up another interesting question&#8230; in 5 years when every cell phone has a 10MP, 45-frame/second, HD video camera in it, why do we need ESPN anymore?</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2007/06/13/ncaa-bans-bloggers/comment-page-1/#comment-231476</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 05:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#18

What difference does it make if it&#039;s a foreign website?  As the Hartford fan-site said, it&#039;s just a matter of &#039;guy having a lot of money&#039;.  If a football club from Europe threatens to bring an American ISP in front of a judge in England, the ISP would still have to find the $$ to argue that the English court didn&#039;t have the jurisdiction.

In other words, the ISP would probably still just kill the site.  It&#039;s not about what&#039;s legal - it&#039;s about how much power you have to threaten people because you have a lot of money.

The idea of being able to license schedules is just retarded on its face.  The FA&#039;s really screwed itself in the pooch with this rule, because, to the company&#039;s point, they&#039;ve created a revenue stream that supports their clubs, and now that the Internet exsists and this revenue stream is completey idiotic, they can&#039;t just get rid of it, because then, where would they get another revenue stream from while reducing a known stream of $$?

That said, the fanzine&#039;s response was great - &#039;just because we recognize it as a stream of revenue to the club doesn&#039;t mean we think it&#039;s morally correct&#039;.  It&#039;s analagous to the company arguing that it&#039;s OK to kill puppies in front of children because it generates revenue.  Just stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#18</p>
<p>What difference does it make if it&#8217;s a foreign website?  As the Hartford fan-site said, it&#8217;s just a matter of &#8216;guy having a lot of money&#8217;.  If a football club from Europe threatens to bring an American ISP in front of a judge in England, the ISP would still have to find the $$ to argue that the English court didn&#8217;t have the jurisdiction.</p>
<p>In other words, the ISP would probably still just kill the site.  It&#8217;s not about what&#8217;s legal &#8211; it&#8217;s about how much power you have to threaten people because you have a lot of money.</p>
<p>The idea of being able to license schedules is just retarded on its face.  The FA&#8217;s really screwed itself in the pooch with this rule, because, to the company&#8217;s point, they&#8217;ve created a revenue stream that supports their clubs, and now that the Internet exsists and this revenue stream is completey idiotic, they can&#8217;t just get rid of it, because then, where would they get another revenue stream from while reducing a known stream of $$?</p>
<p>That said, the fanzine&#8217;s response was great &#8211; &#8216;just because we recognize it as a stream of revenue to the club doesn&#8217;t mean we think it&#8217;s morally correct&#8217;.  It&#8217;s analagous to the company arguing that it&#8217;s OK to kill puppies in front of children because it generates revenue.  Just stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: NewAZTiger</title>
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		<dc:creator>NewAZTiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 00:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh, how about this was a public event funded by public monies and involved public institutions.

First Amendment, BITCHES!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh, how about this was a public event funded by public monies and involved public institutions.</p>
<p>First Amendment, BITCHES!!!</p>
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		<title>By: jakldawg</title>
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		<dc:creator>jakldawg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 23:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well put Rob. In fact, I have some of the Super Regional games Tivoe&#039;d and ready to burn if anyone wants to see how good they are (since there&#039;s no way that would be illegal)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well put Rob. In fact, I have some of the Super Regional games Tivoe&#8217;d and ready to burn if anyone wants to see how good they are (since there&#8217;s no way that would be illegal)</p>
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		<title>By: jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 21:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to agree with #19, the WB reference is just wonderful--my dissertation is on him, sort of.

What degree of aura is lost by blogging about a live game, and then blog about the blog?  I think discussion of Baudrilliard&#039;s simulacra (RIP) must be next.

or the wing option. either one, really</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to agree with #19, the WB reference is just wonderful&#8211;my dissertation is on him, sort of.</p>
<p>What degree of aura is lost by blogging about a live game, and then blog about the blog?  I think discussion of Baudrilliard&#8217;s simulacra (RIP) must be next.</p>
<p>or the wing option. either one, really</p>
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		<title>By: Cardiac Kids</title>
		<link>http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2007/06/13/ncaa-bans-bloggers/comment-page-1/#comment-231426</link>
		<dc:creator>Cardiac Kids</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 20:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damnit Don V,

     Just when I thought everyone was agreeing on something.  You got a point though.  The next step would be to strap on an antenna and camera.  I still hate Myles Brand though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damnit Don V,</p>
<p>     Just when I thought everyone was agreeing on something.  You got a point though.  The next step would be to strap on an antenna and camera.  I still hate Myles Brand though.</p>
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		<title>By: Don V</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 20:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim in Tampa:

Under that logic, what prevents me from bringing a camera and an antenna and broadcasting the game?

First Amendment is not a catch-all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim in Tampa:</p>
<p>Under that logic, what prevents me from bringing a camera and an antenna and broadcasting the game?</p>
<p>First Amendment is not a catch-all.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 20:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and I have no idea where the second half of my post went.

People who don’t follow college baseball have no idea how good the postseason action is. Not just the CWS, but the regionals and the super regionals as well.  It&#039;s a shame this is how the NCAA is planning to draw attention to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and I have no idea where the second half of my post went.</p>
<p>People who don’t follow college baseball have no idea how good the postseason action is. Not just the CWS, but the regionals and the super regionals as well.  It&#8217;s a shame this is how the NCAA is planning to draw attention to it.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 20:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People who don&#039;t follow college baseball have no idea how good the postseason action is.  Not just the CWS, but the regionals and</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People who don&#8217;t follow college baseball have no idea how good the postseason action is.  Not just the CWS, but the regionals and</p>
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		<title>By: tim in tampa</title>
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		<dc:creator>tim in tampa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 20:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Louisville even issued a statement to the press ahead of time that live blogging would not be permitted. &lt;/i&gt;

Tell someone ahead of time all you want, they don&#039;t have the authority under any circumstances to abridge his freedom of the press. Louisville is a public institution and its ballpark is on public land, and thus the first amendment (enabled through the 14th) is in effect.

Also, thank you, Orson, for the Benjamin reference, which reminds me why this really is the fucking greatest blog on the planet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Louisville even issued a statement to the press ahead of time that live blogging would not be permitted. </i></p>
<p>Tell someone ahead of time all you want, they don&#8217;t have the authority under any circumstances to abridge his freedom of the press. Louisville is a public institution and its ballpark is on public land, and thus the first amendment (enabled through the 14th) is in effect.</p>
<p>Also, thank you, Orson, for the Benjamin reference, which reminds me why this really is the fucking greatest blog on the planet.</p>
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		<title>By: MM</title>
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		<dc:creator>MM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 20:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What do the English Premier League officials do to foreign websites that post the schedules?  Perhaps Orson could post the Premier league schedule as an additional act of protest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do the English Premier League officials do to foreign websites that post the schedules?  Perhaps Orson could post the Premier league schedule as an additional act of protest.</p>
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		<title>By: Don V</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 19:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I can;t get burned up about this one.  Louisville even issued a statement to the press ahead of time that live blogging would not be permitted.  This guy did it to shove it in the NCAA&#039;s face.  As much as we would all like to do that, I don&#039;t think they acted inappropriately here.

I can&#039;t see it ever getting to the point where schedules will be copyrighted.  MLB tried to ban fantasy unless licensed through them but lost that battle on the notion that stats are public domain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I can;t get burned up about this one.  Louisville even issued a statement to the press ahead of time that live blogging would not be permitted.  This guy did it to shove it in the NCAA&#8217;s face.  As much as we would all like to do that, I don&#8217;t think they acted inappropriately here.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t see it ever getting to the point where schedules will be copyrighted.  MLB tried to ban fantasy unless licensed through them but lost that battle on the notion that stats are public domain.</p>
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		<title>By: oc phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>oc phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 19:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow, I&#039;d wondered why it sometimes seemed more difficult to find Premier Leauge schedules than it should be.   Thanks for clearing that up for me Kanu.

I see from a historical perspective that it made sense as a way of getting money from the gambling interests who were making more money than the clubs at the time.    But charging blogs like the Watford guys is one of the most dumbass thing&#039;s I&#039;ve ever heard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow, I&#8217;d wondered why it sometimes seemed more difficult to find Premier Leauge schedules than it should be.   Thanks for clearing that up for me Kanu.</p>
<p>I see from a historical perspective that it made sense as a way of getting money from the gambling interests who were making more money than the clubs at the time.    But charging blogs like the Watford guys is one of the most dumbass thing&#8217;s I&#8217;ve ever heard.</p>
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