MYLES BRAND WORRIED ABOUT SALARIES. HA.

Fuck that guy…(Insert obscure Somalia/UN reference here)

I can see where this is leading…another investigation in Tuscaloosa.

I wish I could tell you half the shit I know about how the NCAA runs licensing for it’s championships and the dealing that goes on with that, but it’d threaten my livelyhood. When I finally become a victem of downsizing I think I’ll go testify to Congress.

I hate them. Hate them. HATE THEM!

Tuscaloosa, Mogadishu, same difference.

I wonder how feasible it would be for the Schools to just up and abolish the NCAA. No members, no money. Theyd have all the control and we could all go back to rooting for Redskins, Warriors, and Indians.

Oh, yeah..Don’t know if this made the rounds.
http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/mld/ledgerenquirer/sports/16982040.htm

Damn, its hard to do a gainer with a gallon of peach wine in your belly..

Brian," Tuscaloosa, Mogadishu, same difference."

Don’t know if you can call the locals in Tuscaloosa, skinnies.

Thats ridiculous on the swimming kid. He was drunk from enjoying himself in Athens, and had to pee. Happened to all of us at one time or another. He was of age, and he was trying to be discrete it would appear. The only oddity here is why the fake ID?

My friend got caught peeing in Buckhead one night but the guy let him go on the grounds of him being a veteran.

Mearth made mad, mauls men.

OOC, you beat me to that punchline. Is there room here for a reference to Klan warfare?

I like Brand’s quote: "it’s troubling to see some college coaches making more money than their counterparts in pro sports. "

Hell, Bama brings in approx $70 million in athletics per year! I would venture to guess there are only a few pro teams bringing in that kind of change. Why shouldn’t a college team bringing in that kind of money be on a pay scale level of a similarly profitable pro team?

Outstanding. Fuck the UN. Fuck the NCAA. Unless they pass a resolution condemning Fulmer continued use of donuts, or [NAME REDACTED]‘s skeezy recruting tactics, or Auburn’s ugly ass colors…..I have no use for them. Same w/ the UN and being soft on Tehran.

So, just to be clear, what exactly is the defined purpose of the NCAA.

Didn’t Mr. brand make it to most “person you’d like to kick in the head” lists?

Well he should’ve, anyway.

We keep waiting for Brand to blame Israel for illegally contacting recruits during the dead period.

Mike, Unless you’re talking about arena league when you mean “pro teams” you’re suspicions are not correct. I found the link of 2004 Revenues by NFL team…the lowest 151 (49ers) the highest Redskins 245 mln.

http://www.forbes.com/lists/results.jhtml?passListId=30&passYear=2004&passListType=Misc&searchParameter1=unset&searchParameter2=unset&resultsStart=1&resultsHowMany=25&resultsSortProperties=-numberfield5%2C%2Bnumberfield1&resultsSortCategoryName=Revenues&category1=category&category2=category&passKeyword=

See, the cops are worse with the trivial crap at UGA. There’s a reason the Dawgs lead the world in stupid minor offenses. Most other campus/town PDs are not quite as Nazi-esque, and spend much less time prosecuting things less harmful to society than putting Rosie O’Donnell and Donald Trump on the tube regularly.

BTW, I, like many men (I imagine), prefer urinating in the great outdoors- enjoying the woners of nature sans the need for good aim. Doing too much of it, though, can lead to a potentially problematic lack of sometimes necessary self consciousness (i.e. whipping it out at inappropriate times, especially when tipping a few). Happened to my brother-in-law at an fancy-pants evening wedding party, I swear. Now that was funny!

I’d love to see a coalition of major college programs from several of the big conferences ban together and defect from the NCAA. Kind of like what the Indy Racing league did a few years back.

What the heck would the NCAA do without programs like Notre Dame, Ohio State, Michigan, Alabama, USC, Nebraska, Texas, Oklahoma, Florida, FSU, Penn St., Tennessee and others? I’ll tell you, wither and die!

The rest of the schools would follow their lead.

Especially if the new league would set some sort of nominal payment to players (not nearly on the level of pros) since they can’t have actual jobs like the rest of campus. Something like a $500 a month or something like that. Tell me there wouldn’t be a vacuum of talent coming over to the new league.

They could also maybe finally get the ball rolling on a playoff system.

Does this strike anybody about the same way as the the Big Televen commish going off on the SEC and recruiting? Kinda in a peremptory “don’t look at me”, pseudo-defensive mode, pro-active but pointless way? I’m getting a “shut the fck up” feel for the guy. Just askin’.

Brian,
Thanks for blowing my theory right out of the water! Most of that revenue is due to the huge TV contracts. I know colleges get cuts of TV revenue but not nearly as high as the NFL. It also helps that they play twice as many games in the pros.

Threadjack alert!

  Scuttlebutt says Purdue may be on the verge of entering the Fulmer Cup race once again, as one of its players has been picked up in a FnDC incident. Can’t post link from this computer, unfortunately.

   /end threadjack

I’m trying to figure this out: Do you guys disagree with the points Brand is making here, or are you just calling him a hypocrite?

Thank you, thank you. Now I know what job I want when I grow up.

Does AU get Fulmer Cup points for the diver? I know a lot of AU guys who are very proud of the swimming/diving team being national champs something like 72 times in a row. I think this guy was the BMOC for the swim team. I promise, my unending hatred for all things AU has nothing to do with my concern over FC points. FAU

Of course, Brand neglects to mention that one reason that coaches get paid so much is because they don’t have to pay the players at all. (And yes, I’m aware that the students get free tuition, room, and board, but for a school like Florida that’s pretty much a marginal additional cost — in Denslow’s televised economics class it doesn’t present any additional cost to the institution to give it away for free to a few students)

We’re calling him a hypocrite. He draws a huge salary for doing…something, while slamming football coaches who actually could tell you their job description.

something about myles’ face make me want to piss all over him

It may be a marginal additional cost for a university to give away a full-ride scholarship, baconboy, but it’s a definitive form of compensation for the athlete receiving the scholarship. Especially when you consider that the athlete isn’t just receiving a free education, but also training in a clearly defined field (i.e., football/basketball/baseball,etc) from not just one, but a team of experts that aren’t available to the general student population.

Josh…good points, but it’s not a compensation you can actually spend. I’m working on a Ph.D. right now (getting trained by experts in a clearly defined field) and get free tuition, worth about $28K — it definitely beats taking on debt. But, at the same time, I can’t spend it. Trust me, there’s a big difference between compensation you can use to by groceries and compensation that doesn’t really cost the university much to offer. But the other issue, in regard to the athletes, is that it doesn’t really pay them what they are worth.

How much, for instance, was Corey Brewer worth to UF over the last year (Noah and Horford probably wouldn’t have come back if Brewer went pro)? Yet read this:

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/news;ylt=Ao7YZI2x8oH5QexOQCh9sc5nYcB?slug=jo-coreybrewer033007&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Brewer made his choice (and I’ve made mine), but in Brewer’s case and it is just wrong that he doesn’t get some kind of money he can actually spend as part of benefit.

Again, many Ph.D. students receive a stipend above and beyond their free tuition, so why can’t our athletes?

I think AU should get FC Pts. because, like CapstoneAlum pointed out, there are many AU folks who are waaaayyy to proud of the swimming team. That’s like Bama people talking smack about the gymnastics team.

Back to the thread, I think there should be a limit on coaches’ salaries…but seriously it’s ridiculous how bad Brand and the NCAA hate Alabama. It’s like that guy in the movie Old School who gains a position of power over the cool guys who used to make fun of him when they were younger…that’s Miles Brand and the NCAA.

Miles “CheeeEeeese” Brand

That athlete wears a speedo, and not shoulder pads. Therefore, no FC points.

I’m too lazy to look: where did MB end up in the Punch-Out Bracket? Should be pretty high up there.

Thanks for the Mad Mad World reference. That is one of the funniest movies of all time! It’s the 1963 Cannonball Run.

If Baconboy, as a PhD student, is conducting lab research or working as a TA, he’s also supporting – at a minimum – cost avoidance by doing work for a pittance. (Or, as we used to say, you’re not underemployed, you’re an inflation-buster.)

If he’s working on a grant-funded project, then not only is he providing cheap labor but the university is making money off him as well… sounds rather like he’s a football player, actually, but without the crippling injuries.

Unless of course you’re like those laser-using engineers and physicists I knew who couldn’t focus straight ahead because of all the laser-reflection injuries to their eyes because they couldn’t be bothered to wear goggles.

Orson, does this mean that Jimmy Clausen can never do anything to earn Fulmer Cup points?

http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/?p=2323

I look forward to Orson’s coverage of the Oil for Final Four Tickets scandal.

DC Trojan, my Ph.D. will be in theology, so the only injury will be to my eternal soul!

Really, I don’t see why athletes can’t get the same kind of stipends that graduate students get. Even if I TA, I still get paid (even if it is a pittance).

reading the Cory Brewer story really makes me want to piss on Myles’ face

RED ALERT

Just saw on another site that “Tim Tebow and two other big guys decked out in UF stuff” were spotted on the UGA campus in Athens. Better hope nobody gets the urge to take a less than private tinkle or whip out a fake ID…

Bama Fan Chip On Should Alert!

It’s okay when Oklahoma and ND pay a coach over three million a year, but as soon as Bama pays four a year there’s a problem.

thanks EDSBS for exposing their ridiculous hypocrisy as it relates to basketball.

I’m more than ready to secede from the NCAA.

I thought a lot of athletes did get some kind of stipend from some sort of grants and such. There is a big difference between getting compensated with a small stipend and getting paid commensurate with the money they bring into the school. One merely puts them on the same relative scale as their peer group. The other makes them professional athletes.

I would also say that supporting a top athlete on a full scholarship costs a lot more than the $28K or so you get in tuition as a grad student. Even taking away the coaching staff salaries, between equipment, food, travel ,and tutors, a university is well beyond the cost of tuition.

“He draws a huge salary for doing…something, while slamming football coaches who actually could tell you their job description.”

I agree, and that sucks, but somewhere in there, Brand is making a decent point. I love college football, something just isn’t right about it. As you guys say all the time, recruiting is creepy, but so is the vast quantities of money changing hands in an ostensibly amateur operation.

Miles is a hipocrate and doesn’t endear himself to anyone in the sporting public, and the NCAA is universally unpopular. But does anyone else here believe the NCAA performs (however badly) a necessary function? Do we really want unlimited booster cash determining where recruits go? Athletes who don’t have to go to class at all? Coaches who require 50 hours of practice and film a week? All pro, international, olympic, and youth sports have governing bodies that set rules and enforce them to attempt to keep the playing field relatively level. The NCAA is seriously flawed, but the dirty little job has to be done.

Our point is exactly that—it’s not an amateur operation. It’s a professional operation with a semi-pro mask.

Brand’s fretting over salaries strikes us as hypocritical a.) because of the huge salary he pulls down, and b.) the NCAA’s very professional sale and sponsorship of basketball’s big playoff.

He then has the gall to fret over the money boosters happily put up from their own pockets to fund these semipro teams.

Again, don’t put us there with the academic integrity protesters. It’s well past that point now.

Baconboy, glad to hear that your injury worries are more esoteric than having a bad limp for life.

JohnWA, you’re no doubt right about the overhead costs of a football player being higher than that of a graduate student. However, both of them have some potential economic value to the university, and a successful football program probably yields direct and indirect returns over the investment cost.

Most PhD students wouldn’t bother if there wasn’t some form of tuition remission because the career economics don’t support it – in other words, only a very few would put themselves into that degree of debt to earn less than $40k / year to start in the humanities.

So, the university is giving up very little by not charging the apprentice academics, because they don’t represent much in the way of lost revenue. What they do represent is cheap labor in the form of people who are willingly taking a pittance to be an apprentice because they hope to join the guild.

But there’s variation in grad student pay rates depending on the popularity and outside funding support of their field. The only semester I broke into making a fourth figure a month (before the decimal) was when I was working a second teaching job. My friends in physics and applied math earned something closer to a living wage, partly because they brought grants money to the university that could be skimmed to cover “overhead.”

By that standard, you could argue that apprentice athletes, which is what football players mostly are at larger universities, are entitled to a decent stipend, possibly greater than they make now, even if it’s not pro-levels of compensation. There’s already market variations in salaries on the academic side based on revenue for the university, so it’s not like it would be grossly unfair to do the same thing for student athletes.

If you accept the notion that certain athletes can get stipends while others do not, then you’ve already accepted that they can get paid, which makes them semi-professional in my book. From there, it’s more of an ethical or aesthetic argument about how much they get paid.

Am I the only one who gets nervous when a bunch of fired-up Southerners threaten secession? Would this make Myles Brand the James Buchanan in this analogy?

C’mon — I want to see a post on compact theory as applied to D-IA (or, as it’s now called, the Football Bowl Subdivision) conferences.

It’s great for everyone to get on their white horse and mourn the loss of CFB’s virginity and how we should really do something about having CFB sign a Second Virginity Vow by reeling in coach’s salaries. However, while the athletes may be amatuers, for the school it’s a business and a really important one. If you aren’t Harvard, Princeton, or Yale, you aren’t putting butts in the lecture halls and $$s in the coffers on your academic reputation. You’re doing it with marketing. For major state-assisted (what a joke) schools, the way they get their names out there is through athletics. At schools with very successful “brands”, they collect huge revenues which are used not only to support the athletic programs of the 90% of student athletes whose sports bleed money, they also support things like faculty salaries, which some people consider important.

These revenues come from TV money, Ticket sales/allumni “gifts”, and licensing revenue. You drive all of those by having people want to buy your brand, just like any other business. And just like any other business, if you want to make the most money, you’re going to have to pay for the best people.

Kevin Garnett make $25M a year at 18 coming out of high school for playing basketball IN MINNESOTA. Yes, what we as Americans place value on is f*cked up, but why does everyone feel the need to point college coaches out as special for some reason? They work for businesses that need to make money to support the part of the business (the actual educational institution) that is seriously lacking in money.

Baconboy (re: your #32 post) – I’m not even clicking on that link for fear of seeing Jimmy Clausen in a speedo. Believe me, Yost and Benny’s coverage of a mistaken Clausen pic on MZone the last couple days has burned my retina quite sufficiently.

Orson,
What reason do you have to believe that Myles’s motives aren’t what he says—namely, to support the integrity of the game and help our student-athletes? You’re just so…so cynical.

“Our point is exactly that–it’s not an amateur operation. It’s a professional operation with a semi-pro mask.”

Fair enough.

for what it is worth, athletes aren’t the onlt ones getting the shaft. Any research that goes on at a college is the property of that college. So if you come up with a very profotable invention/discovey, guess who has the rights to making money from it. That’s right- the university. However, since they put up a lot of the starting costs, even if the grant money pays most of the running costs, then I guess I can see the logic. Athletics work the same way. The school is giving them the best equipment, the training table, and the expert coaching, not to mention the marketing exposure that allows them to gain access to the top draft status that mythical cash cow, the signing bonus which is the only guaranteed money in the NFL. Football is a completely different game from Bball. I think very few NFL teams would pony up the big bucks to a skinny 18 year old kid with no technique when it would mean they would then have to coach them up for 2-3 years before they would really being able to contribute to the pro teams. They would need a minor league like MLB. But why bother with that expense when the colleges are doing it wfor you?

Brand gets his nightly pleasures from photoshopped pictures of Mike Dubose, Andy Sorensen, and Gene Marsh.

Where do you work, Meg? My company would have control over any patents I file.

Musicians rarely own their own music (but somehow I’m “stealing from artists” according to the RIAA whenever I download a song off the internet or listen on YouTube).

Almost nobody owns their own work.