COMING OR GOING: SOUTH/EASTISH

WOO, SEC wins again, is there nothing related to sports that we don’t dominate!

I win! I win!
-you didn’t win, Ralph. You’re failing English.
Me fail English? That’s Un-possible!

THAT HOWW WE ROLLL…….tide

Georgia Tech’s Mr. Chips’ award should have an asterisk beside it, since some of its low average results from scholarship reductions due to being placed on NCAA probation.

You’re spot on about public schooling in the South, by the way. What a frickin’ joke for the most part…

Re: National Merit

A lot of the SEC schools offer extremely generous packages for NM students – the best one is probably UF’s, who offers a full tuition scholarship + housing + straight-up cash ($2000/year if I remember correctly).

Despite that, I’m now paying $16K/year at Georgia Tech since none of the schools that offered me a shit-ton of money (Oklahoma has a similar package to UF) have good EE programs. :-p

Sorry WFV; when Vanderbilt leaves, we’re adding the Purple Ribbon All-Stars.

“like Savage Inequalities meets The Blind Side.” There has got to be an extremely small set of human beings who have read both.

i don’t want that balding mexican in our conference

If Randy Newman had it right that would mean the only reason southern schools ink more kids to LOIs is because most of the signable kids up north are locked up in jail. Redneck or not, we’re all keeping the lawya’s down.

The difference between the similar comparisons on these two sites is painful. The writing that orson does is just so much funnier, it’s not even in the same ballpark. And I say this even as I see hell freezing over (a michigan blogger complimenting ND’s retention). Keep up the good work Orson.

From what I remember, Ole Miss has a package comparable to Florida’s, with the added benefit that dollars stretch almost as much in Mississippi as they do in the rest of the Third World.

The downside is you have to live in Mississippi.

I dont suppose you could post, or point me to, the pac-10 numbers.

nevermind, I found it.

I’m trying to wrap my head around how Vanderbilt’s 21 is higher than the ACC’s average 22.

That’s SEC math, Erik.

What about Notre Dame? I’m thinking they’re pretty close to Dean Wormer national champs.

More a testament to Ty Willingham’s golf schedule than Charlie’s efforts at this point, but I’m guessing the trendline is moving the other way now.

A5ehren:

Is it any surprise that our alma mater hands out next to no athletic scholarships? I mean really, who would want to play under a coach that thought letting Reggie Ball be a four year starter was a good idea?

Another factor here is “encouraged attrition”. I suspect that may happen more in the SEC than in other places. If you’re a junior and ain’t on the 2-deep, you might want to explore other options.

Just playing devil’s advocate but…

I don’t know how much water a study like this really holds…with the exeption of the high academic schools like Duke, Vandy, GT, Wake, etc…you’re only talking about an average of 4 scholarship disparity between top & bottom over a 6 year period. Plus, you don’t factor schools like Bama, Kentucky and others who have been on probation during this time. Wouldn’t other factors such as number of seniors, coaching changes, grayshirts, redshirts, career injuries, etc all have a huge factor in these numbers as well?

Given all the variables that could affect how many scholarships are offered, a 4 scholarship difference from top to bottom (with exception to higher academic schools like I mentioned) isn’t that big of a deal in my opinion.

I will say nice researched and detailed comparison ….interesting observations Orson! Just fun to continue to debate college football! RTR!

The difference between the similar comparisons on these two sites is painful. The writing that orson does is just so much funnier, it’s not even in the same ballpark.

…and in other news, I am less attractive than Brad Pitt.

I just took a look at my degrees. High school diploma, State of South Carolina. College undergraduate degree, State of South Carolina.

2 + 2 = Moron

1. maskedavenger—I haven’t read The Blind Side (although I do like Michael Lewis). I have read a couple of books by Jonathan Kozol, including Savage Inequalites back in my college days. An eye-opening read for anyone interested in kids or education of the American public.

-Joe

Aye! Webmaster! A Univision Cheesecake shot to cool the glowing-red powertrain components in my brain!

Terrific work. My reaction:

Like all the hotties on Lost, I’d like to see some more up front: Are your numbers strictly LOIs, as signed by high schoolers and trumped by sports info offices?
  Here’s the disconnect: LOIs often don’t translate to scholarships, right? Considering JUCOs, transfers and the inevitable ‘walk-on earns a half-scholarship on pure want-to’ stories, how could they be?
   I’d guess that many of those missing LOIs arrived as walk-ons, took their shot, failed and ‘disappeared’ no farther than the local SAE house.
   Were I an SEC apologist, I would say Miss state, Auburn and the rest of the serial LOI-aggregators are only opening their hearts wide to any starry-eyed youth who believes they have the gumption to play.
   And in that spirit I present to you, Covalis Oregon: Love’s Hometown.

Hack,

Aren’t you also an Alabama fan? Throw that into the equation and you’re off the Binet Scale.

Indeed — originally from Birmingham. I’m sure I’m just peaking in my Algernon Curve of Intelligence.

The inestimable NickSkin has put together a similar analysis for the MAC showing a huge range from Miami (19.6 LOIs/year) to Temple (right up in Oregon State territory).

http://www.miamihawktalk.com/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=34195

To Chg:

Regarding your disparaging comment on living in Mississippi.

The quality of life in Oxford is light years ahead of most other places, as has been nationally recognized by various independent media rating the top places in the country to retire. The facts belie your BS.

#14, re-read Orson’s verbage around Vandy. They might have had 21 signed LOI’s, but their total offers were greater than the ACC average of offers.

Hack, don’t feel bad, my diploma and degrees are actually from State of Alabama institutions… and now I’m hustlin’ round Atlanta in my aligator shoes

#27, that’s why I phrased it in that way. I never said it was wrong.

“The difference between the similar comparisons on these two sites is painful. The writing that orson does is just so much funnier, it’s not even in the same ballpark. And I say this even as I see hell freezing over (a michigan blogger complimenting ND’s retention). Keep up the good work Orson.”

You’re entitled to your opinion, but you can’t judge someone else’s writing based on a single post. Brian’s (MGoBlog) commentary consistently holds its own against anything in this or any CFB blog you care to name. For more, see: http://mgoblog.blogspot.com/2006/11/eleven-swans.html

Agreed most strongly! He also has this bonus thingy called accuracy the first time he writes something. We’re still working up to that.

Orson, to rebut your comment at #32, I quote an expert on the topic:

“Accuracy is soooo over-rated.”

        —Reggie Ball

“Agreed most strongly! He also has this bonus thingy called accuracy the first time he writes something. We’re still working up to that.”

Any accuracy you lack is more than made up for by the excellent cheesecake. Its a house specialty!

ACC squeezes past the Big 10 by one tenth of a scholarship.

Is it possible to see a short breakdown of how the mid-major conferences do?

Then again, I can’t remember you guys lacking any accuracy at all. So really, if Brian is going to stay competitive, he’s gonna have to think about adding some cheesecake.

A 4 scholarship difference is huge, that is almost 20% more per season than many schools. That is a full additional class over 5 years.

Can you imagine what your teams class would look like if they had 4 more scholarships to give each season? Just ask the coach if that is a lot, we can guess his answer already.

The fact that I can pretty much remember the UGA transfers of the past few years by name likely means this “attrition” you talk of is not as prevalent at every school. I do think it happens, but more than anything I think what I have seen is that 4 year players who aren’t contributing a lot on the field come game time are encouraged to go ahead and graduate and give up their 5th year of eligibility.

You should not disrespect Ethan Allen.
1) Singlehandedly captured Fort Ticonderoga.
2) Founded the Republic of the Green Mountains
3) Was a crazy deist.
When the Vandy lads start doing the same, then you can liken them to Ethan.

It looks like JC’s are included in that number.

Also, Miss. State oversigned by nine, including 4 “sign and place” grade casualties, 4 gray shirts (will go on scholarship next year), and one that counts toward last year’s undersign.

That said, I still don’t see the point of this post.

Steve:

The low number of schollies is probably more due to NCAA probation (Thanks Dave Braine!) than Chan. That said, I really can’t understand why this year’s class was so much better than the others…

The real thing that upsets me at GT is the nearly non-existent scholarships for out of state students.

#41,

You’re from OUT-OF-STATE….

Not giving you a scholarship is how fool the State of Ga. into not noticing that half of a GT graduating class doesn’t stay in Georgia….

Actually, the real trick to getting free money at GT is to keep your GPA above 3.5 and make nice with the folks in the Bill Moore Student Center…

There’s plenty of money that’s earmarked for students from GA counties that haven’t had a qualified Tech student in 50 years…

1. - I think he meant Ethan Allen Furniture… not the historically significant figure whose name said company stole.

Here’s one explanation for the Miss State awesomeness:

They let everyone ROCK THE NUMBER TWO!

Don’t expect Vanderbilt to exit the SEC anytime soon! As I recall, we lost to Florida by only six points, and didn’t we beat Georgia at their own Homecoming game? Yes, we ask that our players read and write coherent paragraphs, but don’t hold the academics against us. The Commodores are for real, y’all! Word to your mutha.