Comments on: WHAT HAPPENS TO COLLEGE FOOTBALL PLAYERS, PART ONE.

By: ambrose

ambrose — Sun, 22 Jun 2008 06:04:08 +0000

I am glad to hear he is still performing!
You can’t knock a player for trying!!
He just want to play ball and make it like every body
else! I read the story and I know some one was out
to get him!!

By: Give Em Hell Pell

Give Em Hell Pell — Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:21:16 +0000

Ryan Carter suffered a career-ending injury (back).

Todd Bunce quit the team; I don’t think he transferred.

Gavin Dickey was a starting OF for the Class A Everett (WA) AquaSox, which paradoxically is a Seattle Mariners affiliate.

By: SunDawg

SunDawg — Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:54:46 +0000

Other than Rudy (or Rudie or Rudi), how many non-scholarship players do teams usually keep?

Also, if a kid signs a letter of intent, does that come with a promise of a scholarship or just a promise to try out? Aside from the Escalade and folding money, I mean.

By: zzgator

zzgator — Fri, 23 Feb 2007 14:57:34 +0000

amac42…yes, that is the same Taurean Charles from the documentary.

And speaking of Steven Harris, my neice had him sign her shirt after the NC celebration…perhaps I should not have let her get so close to such a fertile football stud.

By: Cardiac Kids

Cardiac Kids — Fri, 23 Feb 2007 05:45:24 +0000

italiangator,

You’re right. I don’t know the kid, but generally if someone gets smashed in the head with a keg, he either deserved it or one of his friends deserved it. And he’s probably a douchebag for hanging out with people like that. However, having graduated from an SEC school, I am well aware that the football players often go picking a fight. So I really don’t know what I’m trying to say here. In any event, the kid was probably a douchebag.

By: NoVaDamer

NoVaDamer — Fri, 23 Feb 2007 01:11:47 +0000

“Steven Harris: finished as role player on defensive line. Entering NFL draft, and should: skills also include fathering children by multiple women at the same time.”
Alright, cut the uptight analysis about schollies…what about ‘magical’ Steven Harris? How many dicks does this guy have? or is this another sad case of a misplaced prepositional phrase?

By: amac42

amac42 — Fri, 23 Feb 2007 00:45:13 +0000

Was Turean Charles aka: the kid who used half a keg as a blunt object, the same one who had the documentary made about him and his team? I believe it was called Year of the Bull.

By: italiangator

italiangator — Thu, 22 Feb 2007 23:26:23 +0000

Whatever, that kid deserved a keg to the head. He was a douchebag.

By: Kecalf Bailey

Kecalf Bailey — Thu, 22 Feb 2007 21:38:55 +0000

I enjoy this debate. The main problem I have with the “Big Conference” comments re: the SEC is the sense of smugness and condescension when this occurs everywhere. Signings can develop in many ways. I am sure none of you are unaware that many coaches will sign kids who are not projected make it academically becaue it gives you a leg up on the kid when he comes out of Junior college. Another thing you don’t see as often, but Shula used alot to deal with scholarship reductions is the Grayshirt whereby a kid signs a letter of intent, but doesn’t become a full time student until the next spring so that he won’t count against scholarship number, yet can be studying the playbook and working out independently. This player will then join the team is sophmore year of college, but is still a freshman in eligibility.
What I am trying to say it that signing over 21 players a year does not always come out to be more than 85 in practice. Furthermore, offering the scholarship and the opportunity it entails should not be construed as reckless on the universities part.
It is, after all, the players responsibility to not kill a man with a beer keg.

By: Earl Schlobodowicz

Earl Schlobodowicz — Thu, 22 Feb 2007 21:31:25 +0000

What’s the correlation between Fulmer Cup points and attrition? I’m sure there’s a chart here somewhere…

By: Orson Swindle

Orson Swindle — Thu, 22 Feb 2007 21:30:50 +0000

We think that’s correct, NDTom.

One other consideration: “sign and send” guys who go to Hargrave Military or another JUCO count against the total number of scholarship slots.

By: NDTom

NDTom — Thu, 22 Feb 2007 21:25:30 +0000

Isn’t the limit on recruits per year 25 unless you have a kid who enters early and can be counted against the year before if there’s room in that class? so by signing 28 kids, there’s either 3 off the bat that don’t qualify per NCAA standards or you end up with scholarships being pulled a la Steve Slaton at Maryland.

By: Aerobab

Aerobab — Thu, 22 Feb 2007 21:25:19 +0000

Why do we need facts and figures to dispute? What happened to ole’ fashioned, unconditional hatred like:

Fuck the Big 10, Big 12, ACC, PAC-10, MAC, WAC, and everybody else who isn’t in the SEC!! WOOOO!

By: Steve

Steve — Thu, 22 Feb 2007 21:23:16 +0000

Your analysis is great, and it is disturbing the number of recruited players who will not be getting scholarships/lose them later on. But we’re not even considering the factor of walk-ons. Those inflate program sizes, and some of them ultimately do get scholarships.

And maskedavenger, you’re right, it’s called the Family Education Right to Privacy Act (FERPA). The amusing thing about FERPA is that if someone asks you why a student is ineligible for something, you can’t answer the question if it’s academic related, which basically tells everyone it’s academically related. I’ve had that conversation a few times with other people…

By: (Not Bama) Buck

(Not Bama) Buck — Thu, 22 Feb 2007 21:08:55 +0000

maskedavenger:

Your math is perfect, but because Brian said that schools sign 28 recruits a year does not mean that it is so. My understanding is that a school may have 85 players, maximum, on scholarship at any given time. If Florida only had 21 to give in 2002 (and I don’t know that to be true), then their class met the (then-current) need. (And, as you well know, 21 x 4 = 84.)

The fact that attrition occurs is not disputed by anyone. It’s the reasons for attrition that are important; attrition by transfer or injury or failure to meet team rules versus attrition by academic inadequacy versus attrition for the sole purpose of opening more scholarship spots for more-promising players.

Orsons’ investigation is an interesting exercise in and of itself; the SEC versus Big 10 part of it notwithstanding. It is the stories behind the attrition that make the investigation worthwhile.