SEVEN! THAT'S SEVEN POACHED VERBALS...AH AH AH

Take the recruit, leave the canoli.

.. and the bitchin’ Camaro.

ND’s defense will continue to be housed for the next few years. ND’s only chance at winning will be to play a Texas Tech or Hawaii style of football by trying to see if they can win each game 100-97.

I can see it now, staright Chappelle style.

“I’ve poached recruits seven times now! I’ve been counting. How many times must I poach before you act right? One*smack*two! Two smacks! Hahaha!”

This is the ballingest shit EVAH!!!

When have any of us put complete faith in an 18 year old’s word?

Verbal commitments are non-binding. Don’t fault Urban “Mephistopheles” Meyers for trying to snag the best. Hustle baby, hustle!

Damn the patent office. Damn them and their SEC grant of Team Speed TM all to hell.

“This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we’ll be lucky to live through it.” – Phil Fulmer

Has Notre Dame sunk to a new low, when not even a personal visit by the “Genius” can convince a Joisy recruit to go to ND?

Can you imagine how awful the trip was for Weis’ assistants when they were getting back to South Bend empty handed?

Where there enough peanuts on board to keep Weis’ trap from spouting every obcenity known to man, woman and beast?

Will all of this be blamed on the new DC “Ty Willingham the Second – Corwin”?

Has not Urban Meyer said enough “F Yous” to Notre Dame after he played footsie with them and then left her standing at the altar for the “other woman” – FL?

Why don’t I get morning wood as often as I used to? Ooops,

bye bye

+1 to number 8.

#9, why dont you STFU about this Ty-2 crap until the man actually gets a chance to do his job on and off the field.

Speaking of poaching verbals, you should read up on the Luther Davis saga from West Monroe, LA. He committed to LSU at the Army AA game, and had some insulting things to say about Saban and he came to Davis’s school. Out of nowhere, Mom decides she wants to take him to Tuscaloosa for a visit after telling Miles they wouldn’t and after Luther was adament he didn’t want to go. LSU pulled his scholarship and he’ll likely end up at the Capstone.

Saban isn’t just burning his LSU bridges, he’s napalming the bitches…

hmmmm…..

Is Meyer’s success is reaching “Sweatervestian” proportions?

Still, it’s funny because it’s, well, Notre Dame.

I love the smell of Les Miles in the morning: it smells like……victory

college football is so cyclical, you can have all the talent in the world and still not get to the top (paging LSU…). the gators gotta take when the takings good, burnt bridges be damned!
oh, and i wish a past “blue chip” football high school recruit would explain just how much of a reality check it is, going from having every famous D1 coach oh his knees in front of you before signing day to the aforementioned coach putting a boot up your ass while you puke into a trash can in during fall conditioning after you’ve committed…

As a graduate of both Florida (BSBA ’93) and Notre Dame (MBA ’98) may I say that Urban Meyer is really starting to look more like a slim ball every day.

Every Day Should Not be Slim Day- EDSNBS perhaps?

Look- I love UF but something is telling me that we are moving closer to FSU and Auburn that we are to Notre Dame. Strange- since Bernie Machen is so pumped to have us a “public ivy” as reported in the December 20th, New York Times.

But Florida is being defined by a head coach who always goes towards the “paid performer” side of the equation vs the “student athlete” side.

Lets put aside the weapons deal, the selective games suspensions for pot, etc. Lets just say that is how things are done in big-time college football (See OSU, USC).

What bothers me is that Meyer recruits players who have given their verbal to another school. What “academic institution” actually tries to teach 17 year old kids about going back on their words?

Lets quote Lt. Col. Frank Slade from Scent of a Woman "Out of order, I’ll show you out of order! You don’t know what out of order is Mr. Trask! Out of order, who the hell do you think you’re talking to? I’ve been around you know? There was a time I could see. And I have seen, boys like these, younger than these, their arms torn out, their legs ripped off. But there isn’t nothin’ like the sight of an amputated spirit, there is no prosthetic for that. You think you’re merely sending this splendid foot-soldier back home to Oregon with his tail between his legs but I say that you are executing his soul. And why? Because he’s not a Baird man. Baird men, you hurt this boy, you’re going to be Baird Bums, the lot of ya. And Harry, Jimmy, Trent, wherever you are out there, fuck you too. "

What is Florida doing to the spirit of these young kids? Before you guys say this is how it is done- I suggest you read another New York Times article written 11.17.06 “Ivy Football and Academics Strike an Uneasy Balance”. It details how in 1981, Yale had a top 20 team with three future NFL draft picks but decided that the quality of football is not the primary objective of the institution. The rest is history, as the Ivy league formed their own conference and the Ivy football has been painful to watch.

How does this related to Urban Meyer and Bernard Machen? Well, for Bernie- lip service wont elevate Florida into the public-ivies. Bernie should try to change the focus of student athlete and not let Urban dictate the face of the University. For Meyer- he needs to learn something about honor- you know a Baird Man type of thing.

Notre Dame hired Meyer and gave him his first start at coaching. Notre Dame also fired Ty Willingham to get a shot to hiring Meyer. Meyer goes to UF but word quickly came out that Meyer wanted “an relax standard” for the football team. Notre Dame balked. (Some books have reported this and Meyer’s dad was quoted in several papers on this front). Anyways, the standard media press was that Meyer chose ND and that you cannot win at ND anymore. ND could have easily gone public with what happened with Urban or at least point to the comments made by Urban’s dad. Instead- they said nothing and took the media shots.

Now flash forward to today with Justin Trattou chaning his verbal from ND to UF? Why would Urban go after a kid that was ND bound for the past seven months and leave ND holding the bag again? I mean- can you imaging Ara or Lou or even Gerry Faust bending the priests over at ND?

Shame on Urban Meyer and Bernie Machen for making UF a football only school in the vision of Florida State. More shame on the fans for headlines such as the one above. I myself root for the team because I can “relate” to them as student athletes- but the Florida I knew is long gone. I miss Steve.

nick just stole a dl who had committed to lsu…committed to UA this morning, weep you little fema-loving cajun bitches, weep

#10: Is this NOT America, where a man has the right to FREE SPEECH?

Is not America the land of the free, the brave, Chevrolet and the weekend golfer?

Back to Ty-2 Corwin Bidniss: Is not Corwin just another token hire by a very desperate Notre Dame?

Corwin: Very limited experience coaching background, no? ZILCH at the college ranks, no? Have you read the Michigan blogs that say that Corwin was a flasher, when a football player at UM? And now he is at Our Fair Lady Le Du Lac?

If Corwin were, ahem, pasty faced like YOU, would he have gotten hired by the GENIUS?

While we have two great, proven, legitimate African American coaches going for the Super Bowl, did the Genius try to pull the wool over everyone’s eyes by hiring a TOKEN Black man?

PSU…nice….i had never noticed how much Phat Phil looks like Fred Thompson

The verbal “committment” basically means this is his favorite school. Today. Colleges are very similar to girlfriends in this regard. When you’re 18 you can change your mind as often as you like.

Weis’s favorite cover band is “Crystal Shit.”

Oh, and not being from that part of the country, can someone tell me who Don Bosco is? I was guessing he was some sort of Mafia, crime-boss type. What a badass name for a high school.

Your scumbag trash coach will get his comeuppance eventually for this. In the meantime, I suggest you prompt him into taking one of the fine Ethics courses at UF and seriously re-evaluate his life plan. Now that I see what this trash is all about, Im glad he chose his own selfish ways and went to UF instead of ND. I’d be incensed and embarrassed if an ND coach ever pulled this crap.

This recruit poaching has nothing to do with football and everything to do with “the ganja”. I find it very interesting that an incoming recruit would decommitt from Notre Dame the same week “Our Lady” suspends a star basketball player for marijuana possession, then decides to attend a school where it really didn’t seem to affect another DLineman (Marcus Thomas) until he popped positive for GHb.

Now someone get on here and tell me that a conversation between UF’s coaches and Trattou regarding the “overreaction” of ND to Kyle McClarney’s “rockin the ganj” didn’t take place. It is the SEC.

LSU and LSU fans will not weep over the loss of Luther Davis. Miles had a scholarship offer on the table to Davis and withdrew the offer when it was determined that Davis lied to the LSU staff about visiting Alabama.

I’m not a fan of Miles (not by a long shot), but I do give him character points on this one. Apparently the character of the recruit is mirrored by the character of the coach. ’Bama can have him.

Sour grapes? Prolly. Hate Saban? Definitely. I’d trust a lawyer before I’d trust Saban.

Not only does Fat Philly look like Fred Thompson, they’re both from Tennessee…. hmm…. has anyone ever seen them both in the same place at the same time? Is there a conspiriacy we’ve overlooked here…. Orson, it looks like there’s a need for some investigative-blog-type-reporting here.

M.T.S., I’m sure having a high school named after a Mafia dude beats having one named after a chocolate drink mix. But in this case, it’s neither. The name refers to St. Giovanni Bosco, a 19th Century educator in Italy, founder of the Salesians, and an innovator who preferred teaching methods based on love instead of punishment.

Am I the only one picturing Charlie, with tears in his eyes, eating a sandwhich while listening to “Jolene” by Dolly Parton?

“Don’t take my man just because you can.”

Anyway, Go Irish.

#21… everyone knows that Macky Brown reels all the gonja rockers in to Austin

Love instead of punishment, huh?… Just how strong is their football team?

1. If Minter had been dropped the day after signing day I’m guessing Meyer would have had to make do with one less poached egg for breakfast. The kid got fair notice of the change and jumped to the NC winner. Don’t see anything wrong with any of that.

Red Tide,

Fulmer, Jeremy Foley, and Spurrier look-a-likes. Spooky shit!

I wonder how pissed Weis will be when he finds out Urban was just sitting on his coach, eating cheeseburgers, when Trattou out of nowhere jumped Florida over Notre Dame in his commitment poll.

America doesn’t want to see recruit! America wants to see us LIVE! See that America, that’s how Urban’s livin’…for tha ciiiiitaaaayy!

Weis got some big ass tittays.

St. Don Bosco was a priest in the 1800s who founded the Salesian order of priests and lay brothers. He was celebrated for his work with disadvantaged youth.

1. wow, pulling the race card out. That’s original. No, Corwin doesn’t have the college experience of someone like Rick Minter (and that worked out SO well), but it is clear that the hire was an “in the family” one based on the Belichek tree (which may or may not prove to be a good decision). To say that Weis made this hire based on race is just plain asinine.

As for the de-committal, I guess this answers the questions of whether Corwin Brown is planning on running a 4-3 or a 3-4 defense. He didn’t exactly make it clear in his initial presser…

Other things you won’t see in South Bend: a 4-4 defense, a 4-2-5 defense, a 3-5-3 defense, or any kind of defense at all, now that I think about it.

Re: Atlantadomer’s #21 comment:
first, a disclaimer: i mean no disrespect to the ND tradition, program or even the knowledgeable, insightful, and generally good ND fans out there- and yes, they do exist.
however, atlantadomer, your comment was your typical run-of-the-mill dumb, baseless and completely offensive ND fan’s response to yet again getting paved by the elite teams- a group you wish you still a part of. seriously, nothing gives me greater pleasure than watching you and your sanctimonious ilk have to resort to sarcasm and a hilarious air of haughty condescention. you’re pathetic, and i’m getting bored of pointing that out.
i guess i would respond exactly the same way if my team wasn’t any good and got stomped on by better programs on the football field… and, it seems, in recuiting as well.

my apologies, meant #23 comment

It details how in 1981, Yale had a top 20 team with three future NFL draft picks but decided that the quality of football is not the primary objective of the institution. The rest is history, as the Ivy league formed their own conference and the Ivy football has been painful to watch.

Oh that’s comedy. Funny how the Ivies made that decision at about the same time that their alumni was aging at a rate that made football less of a concern for gaining donations.

When I was a graduate TA at Brown (wait, must pat self on back, that’s better) there were ice hockey and lacrosse players lurking around campus who could barely spell their own names — I taught one guy, nice enough, who couldn’t even figure out which was the right term paper to buy for the class.

In other words, don’t bother trying to put the Ivies on a pedestal because they decided not to play in the college football sweepstakes. Several of them — Harvard and Dartmouth in particular — could buy an MNC with the loose change that spills out of the Scrooge McDuck safe where they keep their endowments. The fact that they don’t isn’t a testament to their moral fiber, it’s just that they don’t get any payoff that way.

You know, for all the shit that SKLM talks about ND, at least he can be funny. I’m probably wasting my time, but this shit from TGA goes beyond the pale.

Forget the ridiculous assertions about a “desparate” program that had consecutive 9-3 and 10-3 seasons. Lets even put aside your simply erroneous facts about Corwin Brown (who in fact coached at the college level at Virginia).

Your assertion that Brown, a product of the same Parcells-Belichick coaching family as Weis and strongly touted by other pro coaches, would not have been hired by Charlie is he was “pasty white” renders you possibly the dumbest piece of toadshit to ever figure out how to operate a computer enough to post on the internet.

The attempt to use race to unfairly tarnish ND and Weis just makes you an asshole.

#36, um, ya might want to recheck the list of teams that Urbie (all power to him) has poached this time around. All’s fair…

1. “I guess this answers the questions of whether Corwin Brown is planning on running a 4-3 or a 3-4 defense”

Look at the Jets for that answer.

#34, Steelers have the same question:

And the thing most Pittsburgh Steeler fans want to know about now that Tomlin has been hired has to do with the numbers 3 and 4 — and it isn’t about the new guy’s age.

Rather, they’re curious whether the Steelers will maintain the trademark 3-4 defense that made the term “Blitzburg” a trademark, or switch to the 4-3 that Tomlin employed quite effectively last season with Minnesota?

http://www.realfootball365.com/nfl/articles/2007/01/steelers-tomlin-itsallgood240107.html

Not surprisingly, Tomlin isn’t saying. But the team’s retention of Blitzburg architect Dick LeBeau — at 69 more than twice as old as Tomlin — speaks volumes.

“X’s and O’s can be overrated sometimes,” said Tomlin mysteriously, hinting that the Steelers might be a 3-4 and 4-3 team at various times.

while trattou is a loss for ND, they still got Armando Allen away from FL.

#36:

As an Irish fan, I can surely say that the same thoughts atlantadomer put out there have gone through my head. But in a completely different way. If it really affected Trattou’s decision to come to ND, then I can’t really blame him. As a former 18 year old kid, I wouldn’t want to be somewhere that I’d be basically unforgiven with one mistake. It’s sad, but not the reason Trattou left. People are bashing the kid for only giving the staff 11 or so days to find another DE, but come on – it’s not like he had much of a choice. He wanted to be a speed rusher, and Urban convinced him he wouldn’t in the 3-4.

#39:

Thank you for explaining that so I didn’t have to. I can understand people bringing up the supposed ‘racism’ of the firing of Ty. But come on, when did Charlie become a racist? Insert joke about Charlie being fat Corwin is a young, aggressive, very highly regarded defensive coach. We’re happy to have him on board.

#34.

For some [pro] teams, the 3-4 and 4-3 are almost interchangeable. The right end in a 4-3 may be a 255-pound defender who sometimes drops into coverage: how different is he from an outside linebacker? Or, the outside linebacker in a 3-4 may line up in a three-point stance on the line of scrimmage for much of the game: why not call him a defensive end?

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/ramblings.php?p=2665&cat=17

In the interest of fairness, here’ s Luther Davis’ comments:

“I called coach (Les) Miles Tuesday and told him I wanted to de-commit and that I was looking hard at Alabama. I didn’t tell him I was going to commit but I did tell him that they should look at Jason Peters. He wasn’t very happy about it but I have to make the best decision for me, not anyone else, He tried to talk me out of it but I had made up my mind” Davis said. “LSU is a great school but they are loaded at my position and I have a better chance of playing earlier at Alabama. Also, I just felt more comfortable with the Alabama staff and that was very important to me. The bottom line is I have to be with them for the next four or more years and that relationship is important.”

Why is anybody suprised? After donning the black leather members only jacket, Urban was assured of landing any Jersey recruit he wanted.

No worries, rjs- although you did have me re-reading my post to see what the hell I actually typed. And thank you, PJ, for the Don Bosco answer. You learn new things here every damn day.

I’m sorry rjsplow… I didn’t respond immediately because I was just buying the company you work for – don’t you dare cross the domers. They make movies about Yale’s Skull and Bones (Good Shepherd), what you don’t see is that they are all working for ND alumns. There is a reason that ND keeps ending up in bowl games where we have no business – it’s payback from the US government for the work we did ending the Cold War and stopping the dotbomb recession. Darius Walker isn’t leaving for the NFL, the Trilateral Commission has an open spot and they wanted him.

1. - There’s a similar history with University of Chicago football. We like to claim that the University decided that academics was more important than athletics, dropped a famous and successful program, and razed the stadium to build a bigger library… and that’s all perfectly true, but we generally forget to mention (ahem) that our program had declined to Duke-level ineptitude.

Damn atlantadomer!?!,

I read you and I see Alec Baldwin.

“You ask me if I have a God complex. Let me tell you something: I am God.”

I love all the condescension from the Domers, I guess when your program has been treading the waters of irrelevance for 15 years all you have to hold onto is your sanctimonious hypocrisy – if N.D. was so ethical, step out of the BCS automatic placement when you have no business being there…oh wait, there’s money involved….“we focus on class recruits,” (as long as they can look like vanilla ice and show up to announce in a limo)….holy mary, sftu, quit whining, and keep taking your beatings. This is football, not quiz bowl. Play like a champion … of the service academies.

PS: Against the big boys, your guys play more like a glorified MAC team.

After reading this, I clearly understand why they are jumping ship
http://loserwithsocks.wordpress.com/2007/01/26/urban-herban-meyer-to-testify-in-front-of-congress/

Yep

http://loserwithsocks.wordpress.com/2007/01/26/urban-herban-meyer-to-testify-in-front-of-congress/

Thanks a Lot Domer, From a USC Fan Dept:

RE: Comment # 39:

ProfKid93: I agree that the so-called ‘Great American’ is a total jackball.

On this one, I can understand how you Domers feel, since Florida swiped a 5-Star, USC verbally recruited player a week or so ago. RATS!

I love this site. I loved the gators ass-stomping of tOSU. But I really really dislike FL football right now. Karma will come back to haunt Urban eventually. Granted, I can’t be that upset. ND did poach Gary Gray from So Carolina.

i didn’t read through the comments so I don’t know if i’m beating a dead horse here, but meyer has basically opened fresh an old wound ….i was “over” the whole going to florida thing by the time of the NC game such that i was actually able to cheer for you guys….but it just seems like meyer hits below the belt when it comes to recruiting re: stealing committed recruits from other teams.

meyer’s pissing off a lot of coaches here. i don’t know if it will, but i hope these tactics end up biting him in the ass.

with above flaming off of my chest, i love the site, guys. keep up the awesome work.

Other than the ‘92 Sugar Bowl, why would UF or it’s fans feel any schadenfreude toward ND? I guess you could be referring to a general schadenfreude of non-ND folk toward ND but EDSBS seemed to be free of that phenomena. Given Fr. Jenkins’ and Kevin White’s December 2004 wild goose chase of Urban through the mean streets of Salt Lake I can understand a little ill will toward Urban by the ND faithful but we seem have gotten over a lot of that, feeling that White was as much to blame for that misadventure as Urban’s come hither looks back across his shoulder. If Urban had decided to accept the offer that he seemed to suugest through third party channels that he wanted, Mattison, Addazio, Mariotti, Strong and the whole gang would be in South Bend right now. Hell, Weis may very well have kept Mattison on and even promoted him to DC if he hadn’t accepted Urbie’s offer to come to Gainesville the day before Weis showed up on campus. Mariotti and Mattison wouldn’t have had to sell their houses and Addazio, Strong and Urbie would have known which neighborhoods they wanted to live in.

Why would UF coaches or fans/ alum feel any specific Schadenfreude toward ND?

well, what i really want to know is: did weis really hire jeff corwin as his defensive coordinator? i fawking love that show!

#20

They do a “doors show” and it goes like this….

1. - What’s unethical about Notre Dame’s BCS agreement? I don’t think you know what “ethics” means. In fact, if this were a quiz bowl, and you were my opponent, I might just force you to answer a “Business Ethics” question.

also, since when has it become news that recruits change their minds? it happens every year, to every coach. people on here (domers) act as if it is an unheard of phenomenon, and that only urban meyer is doing it? are coaches just suppose to pretend like a player ceased to exist because he verballed? UF is probably going to lose two DEs in corley and howard, so meyer was looking around for others. sorry, ND, but that ‘s how is goes. are you going to take away gary gray’s scholarship offer because he originally committed to USCe?

Peachy, don’t forget that things were tough all around in those days. Did you know that a couple of years before dropping football, UofC had serious discussions with NU about merging? They even had a name picked out.

That crystal football in Gainesville sure brings out the animosity in some people. I’m sure that if Urban gathered up all the recruits he “poached” the conversation would go something like this:

“Tell your little friends, that dreams really do come true. Urban Meyer came and saw you at your house, and whooped everyone else’s monkey asses at some college football recruiting!”

Recruiting to ND is difficult. It’s cold, the women are ugly, and you can get suspended/ kicked out of the school for marijuanna and/or having sex in a dorm room.

It is a different place with different standards. I personally like the standards now. But as an 18 year old that would be a tough sale. Even harder if I wasn’t Catholic.

Trust me when I say that Chaz is out pounding the Cathoilic schools. It might take a little longer, but soon they will be playing at a much higher level.

This kid left because of coaching changes and the fact that Florida just won the NC. It’s nothing more than that. Oh, he might have checked the weather forecast for SouthBend as saw nothing but cold and snow vs warm and sunny.

That and all the hot white women at Florida.

Just a thought.

Now go get me some bananna flavored cognac bitch!!!

Outraged domers amuse me.

If I were an 18-year-old kid in that situation, the hot white women would be the beginning and the end of the conversation. However, freakish athletic ability and SEC Speed™ weren’t my lot in life.

Florida’s focus WAS on academics, it was called the [NAME REDACTED] years. Oh, and tOSU decided to focus on academics over football, right around the beginning of January ‘07. Same goes for Illinois, Mich State, Ole Miss, Miss State, Baylor, Colorado. Oh, and Miami and FSU this year. They’re all focusing on ‘academics’ instead of that demon foosball.

Please, if your ‘prestige’, ‘tradition’, and ‘OMG NFL TOM BRADY’ head coach can’t sell your program, its telling you something. In the words of DreamBrady pre-BCS romp, Notre Dame’s “just not that good”

you can get suspended/ kicked out of the school for marijuanna and/or having sex in a dorm room.

Only protected sex, Odell.

lets be honest here; athletes at ND never actually get expelled for sex, they just get relocated to Carol which I guess is far enough away from campus that it could technically be considered expelled.

I assumed Orson has realized just mentioning “Notre Dame” will increase hits and posts ten-fold. If only this had been known during the late-1990s, thousands of websites could have been saved.

Cool hand Mike.
Please let me play the Ed to your Johnny.

HEYO!!!!!!

1. BCS automatic placement?

Which is easier

1. Win worst BCS conference
2. Top 12 and win best non-BCS confernce
3. Top 8

ND does have a BC$ edge within the at large group if they are 9-14.

I’d like a playoff system where the first round (first week of Dec) includes the BCS conference title games and everyone else seeded by rank (Instead of a bye USC and tOSU would have been playing low seeds while UF played Ark etc). 2nd round in the current BCS Bowl timeslots, 2 semis added, and then the NC.

Just to put in my two cents, I took a sports law class in law school and one of my final questions was concerning the BCS. Alot of legal minds think that if a nonbcs team went undefeated and got excluded, while Notre Damzel got an auto-bid, that the non-bcs team would have a really good shot at a sucessful anti-trust suit. (w/ treble damages). They shouldn’t get special treatment. Cowboy up and join a conference

Why?

“Cowboy Up and join a conference.”

I can understand animosity toward ND due to special provisions in the BCS charter. It is preferential treatment and there’s no way to argue that it isn’t. It’s also good business sense and that’s why it exists.

Having said that, why is it the macho standard to be in a conference? Independence used to be the norm in college football. Conferences were formed essentially as mutual protection organizations, much like labor unions.

How about you ‘cowboy up’ and be independent?

Put another way, any legal mind suggesting that joining a conference for football is in Notre Dame’s interest could best be described as “Zuckercorn-esque”.

hook-em, what color is your sky?

undefeated and below top 12?

antitrust is a reason to join a conference? (the bcs conferences are ground zero if the antitrust nukes leave their silos).

ND stays out and needs top 8. They join and need top 12 for an auto. Hugh edge there under normal colored skies.

#77, not a fan of the BCS charter, but the edge is on the at large bowl invite$.

Top 8 for Notre Dame is like top 12 for most teams.

BDOC re #65,

Thanks for the laugh! Best one of the day…

Go Urban and Go Gators!

Phil, ND’s losses in joining a conference are in tiny things like recruiting, tv deals, fan base. I’m sure they’ll want to give those up so that no one feels bad about them needing top 8 to get an auto rather than top 12 like les autres.

#81, Actually that’s a good reason for ND not to join a conference. If they could get in with a top 12 we’d never hear the end of it.

The best reason for ND not to join a conference: can’t play all four service academies with a conference schedule.

1. - You are correct, I wasn’t being precise with my vocabulary, I was referring to the general idea of taking money that if the rules were consistently applied rightfully belongs to another institution. Much like stealing a verbal recruit – it isn’t against the rules, but it still may not be right in some people’s minds…call it ethics, or not.

Logan,

Of course ND can’t play all 4 service academies. The USCGA is only DIII. and unlike EVERYONE ELSE’s alma mater on this board, ND doesn’t play D1-AA schools, let alone D III.

and feel free to rag on the guys who’ll be going forth to take a bullet so you don’t have to. I’m sure they have all sorts of respect for you.

1. - Notre Dame would surely be exposed by joining a conference and then having to play the likes of Western Kentucky, Troy State, Temple, and Louisiana-Monroe.

1. - There are no rules in a business negotiation, only leverage. The money rightfully belongs to the party that earned it. In this case, the BCS has decided that Notre Dame earns a BCS bowl bid (and the attendant cash payout) by virtue its leverage, in the form of the television ratings, actual game attendance, and general interest they provide. It’s not personal; it’s just business.

I got to laugh at the people who say ND is gonna get back at Meyer for stealing Trattou. What, are they gonna win a bowl game?

Now maybe, just maybe, the best way to get and keep recruits is to have few quality wins. Not to say rolling over the Service Academies isn’t a huge feat.

So what is Urban gonna worry about? That a future 5* recruit might be poached by Charlie? That’s always a threat, because every player I know of is just dying to play for the Domers. It’s still 1962, right?

1. - Yeah, the UofC was going to host the graduate schools (appropriately; even today grad and professional students outnumber undergrads about two to one, and their intramural teams almost always win the all-university titles, the wankers.) But at least the failed merger means that the UofC’s (D-III) football team actually finishes .500 most years, which is more than can be said of Northwestern… (and here I want to add that although I have long since acquired the proper UofC distaste for those preppie snobs in Evanston, I don’t really care about Maroon football – I was born in Shands Hospital, and I’m a Gator for life.)

oh COME ON wooderson. that bullshit pisses me off. oh, they have to go to some stupid ass war. that has nothing to do with the fact that they suck at football.

1. - Phil – I don’t disagree, nor do I have a problem with ND using their leverage – but there shouldn’t be surprise, much less rage and indignation, that most schools approach recruiting in a similar manner – its just business.

Phil K., not that anyone would proceed w/ a suit. Not that I need another reason to hate ND. But excluding non-BCS schools in favor of a ‘special-treatment’ ND team could form the basis of monopolistic exclusion and anti-competitive behavior which has been teh hallmark of Sherman Act suits in the past. Idea is that it’s not merely “leverage” but insurmountable unilateral bargaining power by which weakling schools have to just ’take it in the ass" when it comes to the bcs.

That’s the theory, I’m not endorsing it. But the consensus is that the only truly problematic bcs clause is the one regarding ND and the other aspects of the bcs are much more defensible (evidenced by recent non-bcs team’s success.)

antitrust rocks. 3x leverages in your mouth, bitches.

And what color is my sky? It’s the color of your mom’s crotch.

antitrust rocks. 3x damages in your mouth, bitches.

And what color is my sky? It’s the color of your mom’s crotch.

#93/94, All in favour of antitrust pulling down the BCS charter. Not a chance the only non-BCS team that does get an auto between 9-12 takes the fall.

Phil K, If you are referring to the at-large ND does have leverage there.

(does NOT get an auto between 9-12)

well, as a UGA fan, I can only keep smiling. Everything i scertainly going UF’s way these days, which should have anyone who has a healthy appreciation of the Greek concept of divinity VERY WORRIED. The college football gods never smile on anyone for long.

1. is closest to the mark. The only non BCS team that won’t get an auto between #9 and #12 is also the team most likely to get an at large bid with a ranking between #9 and #12.

Wooderson, that has to be the lamest response I’ve ever read. Seriously.

You missed the point, canuck. The name “Notre Dame” is worth a good four spots in the AP poll in any given year.

Meg…at least the college football gods know how to find Gainesville.

Logan,

If you can’t be any more original than “You played all 4 service academies” Then I really do’nt have to put much effort into firing up a retort. Every single major conference has a baylor/missisippi st/illinois that wins 2 games a year. and everyone else plays D1-AA schools, which is worse than playing Army. Navy is a consistent bowl team and should have beat BC. Call me when ND schedules a D1-AA team and then maybe I’ll listen to your inanity.

#97, Ya can start calling them Gator$ now that they’ve got a NC and the recruiting clout that goes to whoever is currently on top of FL, TX, or CA recruiting.

Antitrust suits and football simply don’t go together. Remember the USFL? They actually beat the NFL in court and got $1.00. Granted it was trebled to $3.00, but the point still holds.

Wooderson…call us when you win a bowl game.

The cutting ourselves in NDNation is getting out of hand…

http://myspacide.ytmnd.com/

#101, AP doesn’t count and I doubt the Coaches in the BCS and non-BCS conferences are biased towards ND. That being said non-BCS teams get a lousy shake in the polls

The ND clause isn’t there to help ND. It’s there to stop the bowl$ from putting a #9 ND ahead of a #12 non-BCS winner. No complaints about that clause, but no groveling about it either.

PWND

“and here I want to add that although I have long since acquired the proper UofC distaste for those preppie snobs in Evanston, I don’t really care about Maroon football”

Wait a minute… We have a football team? I have got to get out of the library.

Yes, yes we do, although I’m not even sure what conference we’re in these days, and I refuse to look it up, preferring instead to dwell reverently on the memories of Amos Alonzo Stagg and Jay Berwanger; “we’re not in the Big Ten any more, Toto.”

The reason this pisses me off is that ND doesn’t immediately need a QB (Fraser/Jones), RB (Aldridge/Prince), WR, OL, etc. They NEED defensive linemen. I’m really starting to dislike Urban.

Here’s the 3-star-plus recruiting list for the front seven:
2007, if Urban doesn’t steal any more: 1 3-star DT, 1 4-star DE, 1 3* LB
2006: 2 3-star LBs, 2 3-star DEs, no DTs
2005: 1 3-star DT, 1 3-star DE, 2 3-star LBs
2004: 1 3* LB and 2 3* DEs, no DTs; no one returning to the team
2003: 1 5* DE, 4 3* LBs, 1 4* DT; Laws and Stephenson returning.

The LB corps is thin, and that’s probably an understatement; the D-line is nonexistent. Luckily, Laws is coming back for a 5th year. But aside from him, the front 7 is gonna suck. ND’s defense was worse this year than it was last year, and it’ll keep getting worse and worse until Weis can get some linemen.

ND is a conference – “It’s called the United States of America, the rest of you are just visiting”. Just like the Vatican, we are our own nation-state. That is why Corwin Brown is not only the new defensive coordinator, but also the diplomatic liasion to Chile.

SEC hillbillies, we may just revoke our relations with you and cut off the sausage gravy and bourbon supplies at the Mason Dixon line. Don’t tempt fate.

Oh yeah, and to the chauvinistic ‘Great American’:
Keep ripping on Weis.

Charlie’s gonna go America all over your ass!!!!!

“It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia”, just in case no one else watches that show.

hey atlantadomer…. thanks i just did a spit-take with cereal in my mouth, and please, oh please don’t turn off our bourbon!…
by the way, the only people who can legitimately be called “hillybillies” live in georgia or west virginia, none that actually qualify as florida fans~

ND is a conference – "It’s called the United States of America, the rest of you are just visiting".

That can’t be true — I know for a fact that when one becomes a citizen and they make you watch the Lee Greenwood video, Notre Dame doesn’t feature even once, among the wheatfields, missile silos, and occasional mirrored skyscraper.

And Lee Greenwood is the authority, apparently.

Just like the Vatican, we are our own nation-state.

Having been to the Vatican, I’m pretty sure that they didn’t get all those cool items of antiquity by letting people walk off with their prized possessions. There’s a lesson in there somewhere, I think.

DC Trojan,

Nice ND / Vatican crack.

Seriously, were you actually subjected to the Lee Greenwood video when you became a citizen? Did anyone revoke their newly minted citizenship after seeing it?

Why did Sidell Corley Jr., a 6-foot-4, 250-pound defensive end from McGill-Toolen High in Mobile, Ala. de-commit from the national champion Gators on Friday?

Why did one of the top defensive ends in the nation take back his commitment to Florida and is leaning to LSU?

Is payback a bitch?

JJ: Regarding losing Trattou, how many cheeseburgers were saved yesterday by Weis’ loss of appetite after losing his prized Joisy recruit to the “other woman”?

since bourbon has to be from kentucky to be considered bourbon, i’m pretty sure you can’t cut off our supplies. maybe you make some corn whiskey up yonder, but that shit is stank. well take our Beam, and Jack from tennessee, thank you.

I don’t think Domers are saying that Charlie is going to “get back” at urban by trying to steal his recruits, and i do think stealing recruits is just a business, but it is a bad decision. If all coaches lay off a verbal commit then they themselves can feel confident no one is going to steal their own commits. Just like how Charlie revoked his offer to Mustain when he had second thoughts about Arkansas (also, because he already promised jones and taylor he wasn’t going to recruit anymore qbs)
If Meyer opens up this can of worms and is successful with it, all coaches will start doing it. Then there will be absolutely no point to a verbal commit at all. The coaches will always be looking over their shoulder. Its why coaches don’t do negative recruiting, because they don’t want other coaches to do the same about their university.
Also, those kids who commit early to shore up a spot on the team and to quiet all the competition so they can focus on school won’t hear the end of it either. Just how Corley got pissed the Urban was STILL recruiting DEs after he verbally committed.

So please Urban Meyer, stop poaching Recruits. Think of the children.

Nice ND / Vatican crack.

ahthankyouverymuch.

Seriously, were you actually subjected to the Lee Greenwood video when you became a citizen? Did anyone revoke their newly minted citizenship after seeing it?

Oh yes. Me and about 3499 other new citizens in the old LA Convention center, part of a naturalize-a-palooza of 21,000 people over 3 days, in late 1991.

No-one bailed, but equally the majority of the people in the crowd were not smart-ass faux-Euros, so this was a serious upgrade for them. (Don’t get me wrong, I was happy to get a written constitution in exchange for the NHS.)

Apparently they’re still using it though, I was talking to a colleague’s Australian wife who got her citizenship recently and she said that she nearly did change her mind about halfway through the video, but decided to hang in there.

1. - Dr Kenneth Noisewater, interesting comment, but what is the opinion of Mr. James Westfall?

Dr. K , what the hell is this comment all about?:

“If Meyer opens up this can of worms and ….”

Did not Urban Meyer, not only open the can of worms, regarding poaching other players, but did not Urban Meyer open that can of worms with a megaton nuclear bomb, effects of which will be felt in South Bend for years to come?

Is not talent rich Florida stealing other team’s players like Dolly Parton getting breast enlargement surgery to go up another bra size of two?

Urban Meyer didn’t open this can of worms, and he’s not the only coach to get players who have decommitted from another school. Most coaches continue recruiting up until signing day, and guys switch their commitments routinely. I like how the Domers think this is something new. Guess what, Fatty McWeispants would do the same, and probably already has.

I don’t know what goes on behind closed recruiting doors for certain, but evidence i’ve seen bears contrary that Fatty McWeispant’s recruits verbals. Like i said, he revoked the offer to Mustain and pretty much pitched a fit about Cumbie, where he said that he wasn’t interested in the kid anymore because he didn’t want anybody who didnt want to be irish. Maybe he’s lieing, maybe not.
One good thing about us pretensious domers, we figure if a kid doesn’t want to come here he doesn’t “get it” and we don’t want him here. So i doubt we’ll be snatchin any commits anytime soon.

My question is: Was there evidence of Meyer doin this his first year as coach of Florida? Did he poach when he was with the Utes? Maybe he’s just used to being in the mid-major conferences where ya gotta do anything to get a player. And what’s with all the DEs? He’s got like 5 now?

P.S. James Westfall AND the Octogon are very displeased.

well, gary gray committed to south carolina before he switched to notre dame, right?

Adam – who do you think owns Mr. Beam and Mr. Daniels? That’s right, we do. The “golden endowment” doesn’t get as large as it is without having controlling interests in just about every American business and several foreign governments. The “N” in Nikkei stands for Notre Dame. Go ahead, Google it, you won’t find that info anywhere – that kind of secrecy only comes with absolute power.

There’s a reason ND has it’s own power generation plant, nuclear research facility, and houses ROTC for every branch of service. It’s because we are our own nation-state. We are ND.

just as long as you stay away from the Furman University Purple Paladins. we’ll go crusades on your ass, with all of the righteous indignation of the southern baptist council.

Adam,
  You are right in a sense with Gary Gray being once a gamecock commit. I guess the big differences i would point out is that Gray didn’t switch commits, he decommitted to the other USC and after two or three months committed to Notre Dame (after the Michigan game in fact, how does that happen?). I don’t know what happened in the his house, but he didn’t make any official visits to and didn’t recieve any official visits from notre dame while he was still committed to spurrier. Once he was up for grabs we pounced again.

Another big difference is that all this was done in aug/sept and gave spurrier about 6 months to find a new DB. Meyer is giving us about 15 days.

Im not saying kids can’t change their minds, i’m just saying they shouldn’t be poached. From what i see (through biased eyes of course) is that Charlie wasn’t trying to steal Gray from the Gamecocks

doesn’t it seem silly, though, all the whining going on? two UF commits changed their minds during the last week last year. one went to Arkansas, the other USCw. you didn’t hear UF people calling for nutt’s or carroll’s heads. it was just part of the game. until they sign the LOI, they are fair game. it’ll happen to florida again, and i’m sure we’ll snag more recruits that way too. if weis has half a brain, he’ll do the same, especially considering the state of his defense. one my friends used to be the leprechaun at ND, and while he wasn’t happy that trattou switched, you didn’t hear him calling meyer an unscrupulous pirate of recruiting. he is just playing the game effectively.

Thanks for showing up, Domers.
“St. Thomas Aquinas four-star linebacker Brian Smith already had the next 12 months of his life mapped out. He was ready to graduate, head to Iowa City and join his future teammates as a Hawkeye. But those plans hit a bump in the road last week. That’s when Notre Dame recruiting coordinator Rob Ianello called Smith and offered him a scholarship.”

Adam: FU One Time!

FU Two Times!

DrKen:

Students commit to colleges all the time, and sneaky universities (including Notre Dame) continue to send them recruiting materials up until enrollment ends for the upcoming fall semester. Some of this recruiting involves phone calls, especially if the student has very high credentials. The difference between this and what Urban is doing is?

I suppose I understand frustration, sure, but I just take issue when people act as though Urban Meyer was the first coach to lobby to get his team a favorable poll spot, the first coach to sign someone else’s verbal, etc. I don’t see why UF shouldn’t continue to sell themselves just because a recruit happened to have ND’s official visit before Florida’s, and I wouldn’t mind if ND did the same to us. It’s fair, until that player makes a binding commitment.

Also, I bristle when ND fans try and play a class card with Weis. Did you see the 60 Minutes piece? Urban has more class in his pinky than Chuck does in his whole body, and that Patriots Super Bowl bling he admits he flashes in recruits faces constantly.

PS: I’m not saying Chuck can’t do it, or that he even shouldn’t, just that it’s not a classy thing to do.

Joe,
  I can understand that it goes on, and i’m not calling for Meyer’s head. I just don’t think it’s a good idea (see comments above). And while it was because ND got poached i took notice, its not where i really take issue. I would say the amount florida has done it this year (seven times) and the extreme lateness (and unnecessarines) for trattou’s nab were what’s going to get meyer in trouble (not with any authorities, mind you. Just with the coaches and their own brand of backyard vigilante justice). And that if everybody did what Meyer’s doing the recruiting process would be even more time-consuming/money-draining/drama-filled than any University, coach or fan would like.
  I’m also not saying Charlie is classy. Who from New Jersey have you ever met is classy? I just meant he seems to not be doing the same thing as Meyer.

And Ltrain,
  Where did you hear that? I’ll be sad that i’m wrong but way more happy that we picked up a LB….we need LBs, especially since you guys just snatched up Major Wright

Dear Joe,

As a professor at UF, I have to take issue with your comment about “class” and Coach Meyer, and Coach Weiss.

Class isn’t about your language. It’s about your character. And about your actions. Charlie’s langauge is crass. But it is him. His actions- Standing with the midshipmen follwing the ND-Navy game last year. Congratulating the troys last year in their locker room- these are class acts- and speak well for Our Lady.

Coach Meyer’s recruitment of players who have committed elsewhere is only tip of the ice berg. Playing players who are critical despite positive drug tests (oh, yeah- that’s acutally a crime, right?). Rashon Powers-Neal comes to mind?

Keeping starters who have automatice weapons in their appartment that get fired? Players who have 2 separate women deliver babies AT THE SAME TIME.

Yeah, Urban has more class in his little pinky—-

You should really look at the actions, and the records. The character and not the language defines class.

I teach at UF. But I am not proud that the new president chose to fire the coach who recruited 22 of the 24 NC starters in order to bring in Urban with him from Utah. Who has sent out emails claiming that we need to push “The Gator Nation” because football should be the financial engine (a little jealousy?).

I suffer when ND is mediocre. But I am not ashamed to say that I would rather ND never win again and have a degree from du lac than have a degree from UF with all her NC’s.

Ltrain, You’re Right!

But see the anarchy Meyer has caused?

http://houserockbuilt.blogspot.com/2007/01/round-and-round-goes-wheel-of-pain.html

Stop the pain! Think of the Children!