REGGIE BUSH BENEFITS STORY: WE HAVE TAPES?

Hey Orson, IF he is declared ineligible, is it possible that would have ramifications on USC’s past few seasons? And how likely is that? Is there precedence? Also, what do you call those things on the end of your shoelaces?

Reggie Bush is trash, his “flip” in front of Urlacher this weekend just being the most recent illustration of this fact

Orson, for the love of all that’s good, please remind the readers that anything that combines “sex” and “Port-au-Prince” (Port-au-Potty to the initiated), is a bad, bad, bad idea. There have been worse ideas, but they involve Russian winters and/or Bobcat Goldthwait.

More to the point, anything that combine “sex” and “Shelley Smith” is a really bad idea.

Besides, I thought Orson was a Holly Rowe man.

The only precedent that comes to mind is the Michigan B-Ball team.

DG, we all make mistakes. Forgive us. She just seemed so…sad. Plus she brought a whole tray of tiramisu over, and we just love that stuff.

Bush’s ineligibility definitely would impact his Heisman award, since ineligibility would make him retroactively ineligible for the award. Any of our NCAA rulebooks wizards aware what having a single ineligible player on roster would do to USC?

Give the Heisman to Vince, and any individual awards Reggie won if nessecary.

I don’t think the West Coast NCAA guide prohibits free houses. If this were Alabama not only would Alabama get the death penalty, but so would Auburn and Miss State for being too close

Isn’t this just further evidence of what an asshole Bush is. Couldn’t care less about his teammates and what this might do to them. Then, he pouts about getting his number in the NFL and pulls out the Katrina card about it. Then, he basically signal handedly wakes up the Bear defense that was in hibernation for about 8 weeks by not only wagging his finger at Urlacher while still running to the endzone, but also doing a riduculous flip into the endzone. To make it worse, he got up and proceeded to dance like a schoolgirl… all while the Saints were still losing. Nice momentum killer Assface.

Tide,

Shoelace thing= Aglets

Strako, another example would be Minnesota Basketball between the 93-94 season and the 98-99 season. Since Clem Haskins got kids into school that never qualified and then had their work done for them AND paid them, we have a total of 0 wins in those 6 seasons, even though we finished ranked #3 in 1997. And I remember a Final Four appearance, but the NCAA doesn’t.

Would that be “vacating” the season, or just a simple “forfeit.” Vacating sounds so much nicer, doesn’t it?

Kind of like Vacation.

If true, this is more significant than what Bama’s Antonio Langham did, essentially signing with an agent before the 1993 USF&G (so much better than Allstate) Sugar Bowl. I believe money changed hands, but if so, it was nowhere near hundreds of thousands of dollars. I’m sure a Bama fan or Will Collier knows more about this than I do.

Nothing ever happened to the national title but in the NCAA record books, Bama had to forfeit every victory in 1993 that Langham played in and won. Bama went 11-1 that year (only losing to the tiniest Bowden-led Tigers) but according to the records, they were losers of every game.

Back then, everyone was cheating but now we’re in a time where the NCAA frowns on this type of activity (where’s Roy Kramer when you need him?). This amount is so extraordinary (but only involved one player) that I can’t thing of a good precedent. SMU was the whole team and spread across the Texas government, Albert Means was a bidding war between five or six teams, but this has nothing to do with recruitment.

It’ll be interesting to see what happens.

Orson, one correction to your post: according to the article the benefits started before the end of the 2004 season, which could leave him retroactively ineligible for 2004 and 2005.

He’s at the biggest risk of losing his Heiseman since their rules specifically state that a player must maintain NCAA eligibility (the rules say nothing about double murder or playing point guard for the Knicks).

The AP could do what it wants with their 2004 title. I don’t believe the NCAA could force the Coaches Poll to change hands, though. since its not an official NCAA championship. As for the People’s National Title, we’re totally keeping that.

Shelley Smith’s hair looks the way it does because I put the root on it after she screwed my man.

Baby, forgive us. She had tiramisu!

As long as there was no coctail napkin involved all should be forgiven

Everyone here in N.O. points out that the Saints O-line doesn’t push as hard for Bush as they do for Deuce. You can see it.

Wait…so TCOAN wasn’t in on the Swindle-Smith sex tape? Then who else was there? Orson, you keep referring to “we” and “us”. For the love of everything good and right…fill us in! Was it Montana?

I was going to make a joke about Diet Pepsi Machine actually giving you something for your money, but then I saw that you beat me to it in the picture caption. Oh well.

As for getting recorded, um, oops? If this keeps up, not even Jared will return his calls.

Well, there was Shelley. And us. And Sean Salisbury’s penis, but only there via the magic of cellphone pictures. A couple of relief workers, James Brown’s wife, Sam Brownback, a towel boy who couldn’t have possibly been paid enough for the horrors he saw that night, and Vikings offensive lineman Bryant McKinnie.

It was real, real busy in there. TCOAN was out shopping for guns.

BTW, Jared looks to be getting porky again. Too much clubbing with Michael Strahan? Those cosmos catch on the hips after a while.

Never has the phrase MORE MEAT been uttered with so much double entendre.

AUAlum: Langham allegedly signed with the agent after the 1993 Sugar Bowl (something about a cocktail napkin and getting plastered in the French Quarter), and Bama went 9-3-1 in 1993. According to the NCAA, we forfeited those 9 wins in 1993.

And Ohio State as precedent also. Their 6th man, Boban Savavich, got $6000 and they had to take down all their banners, Final 4 appearance, and “forfeit” all the games he was on the roster for. How many handjobs does Carrol give Brand in a week to keep him off USC’s campus. If this was OSU, it would be front page news, headline ticker on the bottom of ESPN and a behind the bars interview with Clarett about “behind the scenes” football. In the last year, USC has had, 2 people test positive for steroids, including one starter before the BCS game who still played, a RB (washington) who went from academic probation to 3.8 gpa, and a star WR getting $18,001 in free rent. Oh, not to mention the Bush $750,000 house. Seriously, WTF?

What’s the old SEC joke?

USC’s been found guilty of a Major rules violation. The NCAA has determined that Alabama will recieve the death penalty for these violations.

Is there any truth to the rumor that ESPN discovered Shelly Smith while she was on a traveling tour of “The Aristocrats?”

As we in Michigan found out, the key is subpeona power. And as Chris Webber found out, once the power of the courts are involved, only certain politicians get a pass on perjury.

Alabama’s record on the field in ‘93 was 9-3-1. The record in the record books is 1-12. We got to keep our victory in the Gator Bowl against UNC. I’m not sure if the SEC made us vacate the SEC West title.;)

Um, bhors? Boban took money from his COACH. I would have to say money from an agent is a little different, despite the amount. And the Reggie Bush thing is “front page news.”

I believe the NCAA will have to find evidence that USC knew or should have known about the $$$.

It’s too bad, as I would love to see the little bitches taken down a peg.

Brew(ster) Crew #25,

That strikes me as an incredibly fair solution. We’ll accept that medicine and move forward.

RIP, I got 1993 and 1994 confused but Langham did sign something, a napking or a contract; for some reason I thought it was after the SEC Championship game in Birmingham. A lot of people think Gene knew about it, but let Langham play in 1993 anyways.

Expat, when a company with an exclamation point in their title is the only news source working on the story, its not front page news. Its only read by people changing their rosters for fantasy basketball.

The old SEC joke involved Kentucky basketball.

Jerry Tarkanian said it: The NCAA got so mad at Kentucky, they put Cleveland State on probation for another two years.

I know it doesn’t fit the SEC persecution complex, but you’ll find at least a fair share of Big Ten and Pac-10 schools on the NCAA’s frequent flier list.

(Go to the link below and click on the link for the .PDF of institutions with the most infractions.)

https://goomer.ncaa.org/wdbctx/LSDBi/LSDBi.MajorInfPackage.MI_Search_Input?p_Cmd=Go_Search

I don’t know what the problem is in that story…it’s my understanding there is no salary cap at USC.

#33, That’s a disappointing collection of documents. I was looking forward to reading about the adventurs of Lou Holtz and Clem Haskins at Minnesota. Unfortunately, no names are given.

Thanks Chomp n stomp #10, That’s always bugged the shizz out of me

This isn’t really analogous to the Fab Five/Ed Martin scandal because Martin was found to be a Michigan booster. Michigan f***ed up on this point, as they could have fought that designation. Martin was a hanger-on in the Detroit basketball world who tried to get in good with a number of basketball players, including those who went to other schools. Michigan ended up on probation because: (1) Steve Fisher let Martin get a little too close to the program (getting him a room at the team hotel for the ‘92 Final Four, for instance, which is the point at which Michigan had to start forfeiting games); (2) Michigan didn’t fight the point that he was a UM booster; and (3) Martin was investigated by the FBI for running numbers at a Ford plant, which allowed access to a host of records that the NCAA never would have found otherwise.

Bush taking money from an agent is probably closest to Corey Maggette getting money from his AAU coach before he went to Duke. Duke ended up having to return their money from the ‘99 tournament (they made the finals that year), but I don’t think they had to forfeit games.

If I had to create a continuum of serious violations, it would go something like this:

1. Screwing Shelley Smith – Orson really should forfeit his award nominations with HeismanPundit replacing him on the ballots for that epic sin.

2. Academic fraud, such as Minnesota basketball (or what Clarett accused Ohio State of, Jan Kemp accused Georgia of, and Linda Bensel-Myers accused Tennessee of). I put this at the top because it goes to the heart of what a school’s most basic function.

3. Direct payment from coaches or other school officials, such as Todd Bozeman paying players at Cal, Jim O’Brien paying a player at Ohio State, or the much loved Eric Ramsey scandal.

4. Payment from boosters to recruits to get them to come to State U., i.e. Logan Young.

5. Payment from boosters, agents, etc. to players while in school, i.e. Reggie Bush, Troy Smith, etc. This seems to be the most common violation.

And I’m totally unbiased when I include Ohio State in three of the categories.

I don’t know what the problem is in that story…it’s my understanding there is no salary cap at USC.

Without doubt, the funniest comment that I have read about this sorry situation. Well played, sir!

Ohio fans. Clarrette may have been a front page story for a while, but the NCAA dropped the case when Maurice didn’t return their phone calls. AND there have been no reprecussions despite the fact that he was obviously, at the very least, driving vehichles provided by boosters.

Compare dropping the case b/c someone didn’t return phone calls to cooperating with state law enforcement, presenting uncorroborated “evidence” provided by a rival coach (Fulmer) to the NCAA infractions committee.

Ohio skated and I have no doubt that USC will too.

How’s that for a persecution complex?

Sorry, I meant Ohio State fans, and I’m really not as mad about this as I used to be, but I do like to point it out.

The fact that I know who Richard Johanneigmeir and Wally Renfroe are, is just one of the signs that I have spent too much of my life over the last five years fretting about the NCAA and their pathetic attempt to appear to be addressing cheating in college football.

Thank God I don’t have to watch Shula call our plays anymore. I can’t stress that enough.

Michael, how can you mention academic fraud without saying AUBURN and TENNESSEE in big, bold letters?

AUAlum, you are right about Langham signing something, but it happened after the Sugar Bowl in NO. As for Gene, the story goes that he called Langham into his office and asked him if the “rumor” was true. Langham said it wasn’t. That was apparently good enough for Coach Stallings. What a dumbass move that was.

Michael, never mind — I see you have Tennessee in there.

I wonder if TCOAN shops at the voodoo store that I remember being near the courthouse in Atlanta… or if that store is still there. Of course, that was pre-Olympics. For all I know, a Quizno’s is there now.

#37

(1) Steve Fisher let Martin get a little too close to the program (getting him a room at the team hotel for the ‘92 Final Four, for instance, which is the point at which Michigan had to start forfeiting games);

Yahoo! Sports: “Sources told Yahoo! Sports that representatives of New Era were allowed into the USC locker room during the 2005 season. Ornstein and other agents frequented the USC sidelines during several games and numerous practices that season, according to published reports”.

(2) Michigan didn’t fight the point that he was a UM booster;

Caroll’s worry point is institutional control. If he loses that point he’ll be pretty much ignored.

(3) Martin was investigated by the FBI for running numbers at a Ford plant, which allowed access to a host of records that the NCAA never would have found otherwise.

Yahoo! Sports: According to a copy of a subpoena obtained by Yahoo! Sports, at least one of the witnesses was asked to produce “any recordings in your possession of conversations between Lloyd Lake and Reggie Bush, Denise Griffin, or LaMar Griffin.”

Fortunately for USC the biggest allegation touches the NC game they lost:

Also, McNair allegedly knew of Bush’s involvement with the New Era venture before last season’s national championship game against Texas, according to two sources.

Are we living in IRAQ?

Is there no human decency left?

What is it with all of this rush-to-judgement-baloney about a young man, who is doing great things for New Orleeeens, right now?

Can’t we have understanding about a young feller who grew up in the ghetto with a step-father-original-gangster-type, who did not end up dying or in jail in his old age?

To quote Will I Am, “Where is the Love?”, or Fergie, “the love, the love the love?”

Is this not AMERICA…iInnocent until proven guilty?

Should we not wait until all of the facts are out before we hang this young man and is OG Dad the way the DA did with the Duke-Lacrosse-Self-Employed-Model case?

Are you sick of my questions? (I am, so bye-bye!)

#45, Not one of your questions helps U$C or Pete Carroll. Not one.

#45, Not one of your questions helps U$C or Pete Carroll. Not one.

I’m very impressed that you didn’t follow that with a few lines like “AAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA” etc.

You know the more I think about it the more impressed I am with the efficiency of USC and Ohio State. They paid Reggie Bush and Maurice Clarett. Here in Bama, we paid Eric Ramsey and Gene Jelks. I mean had we gotten in trouble for Bo Jackson or Bobby Humphries it would damn near be worth it…

#48:
Imagine how much more productive Bo would’ve been had Auburn paid him.

Depending on the timetable(which I’m sure will come out eventually), there might be total vindication for The Golf Digest and The Eufala Tribune giving Auburn the 2004 national championship.

Congratulations fellas. War Beagle!

Errr, no — that would make OU the 2004 national champions.

And surely Mike isn’t suggesting Bo wasn’t paid, and paid handsomely?

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Wow, that worked well!

re: Everyone here in N.O. points out that the Saints O-line doesn’t push as hard for Bush as they do for Deuce. You can see it.

Call me an o-lineman then, because I pushed hard for Deuce just a few minutes ago.

There are no 4 letter words strong enough for how I am feeling about Reggie Bush right now.

If he wanted to jack up his own life, I couldn’t care less, but he has take USC down with him. The sad thing is, I’m sure we would have beaten OU easily even without him behind Leinart’s 5 TD passes.

If USC had a slight chance of getting beat up by the NC2A, why did Pete Carrol stay, instead of taking the riches of the NFL with the Dolphins?

If USC was in some sort of danger, why did Steve Sarkissian stay, instead of jumping to the Raiders?

Who cares about Lane Kiffin taking off to the NFL? If you were a 31 year old assistant, wouldn’t you jump too?

Is there wishful thinking for the NC2A to beat up on USC, because of a rogue player’s parent’s actions (’ledgedly) on the part of Notre Dame, the Big 10 and various SEC school fans? Most of which have been abused by USC recently?

Should we not be MEN and settle things on the football field instead of getting the empty suits involved in this fight for us? Are we such petty, little men with no johnsons?

Mamma Mia!, have we become a nation full of disgraziatos?

What is it with all of this rush-to-judgement-baloney about a young man, who is doing great things for New Orleeeens, right now?

WTF?
1. He’s a rich asshole football player.
2. The Saints aren’t doing shit for New Orleans besides PR stunts.
3. Any donations the Saints/NFL made to NO are offset by ticket sales paid by hurricane victims.

The Great American,

Try getting cornholed by the NCAA the way Bama was. Changes your whole perspective on shit.

ESPN is on the NCAA’s radar screen. Once they fire Lou Holtz, expect the network to face heavy sanctions from the NCAA.

Can’t we all just get along?

Just because a football player has plenty of jack, can we just let him be and not call him an ass, until all of the facts are in?

Why so cynical on the good vibes brought to New O by the Saints this year?

Is not sports the Toy Department of Life? Giving New O a little fun right after mother nature devastated an entire large metropolitan area be worth something?

Does everything have to come down to dollars and cents?

Does the NC2A screwing Alabama justify doing it again, and again? Have we not learned anything from Santayana?

(Since, even I, noted philosopher and commentator of all things bodacious, am getting sick of my questions, I will now retire to my villa by the sea with a bottle of chianti and have a red-haired lass feed me grapes, not too shaby, no?)

This could get amusing as long as you’re not a SC fan. As in – how ridiculous do the accusations have to get before the NCAA adknowledges there might be a problem?

My guess, not until a tape surfaces showing Lake and Bush smiling for the camera each holding 2 photo IDs as Lake hands over greenbacks while announcing that he’s giving Bush exactly $30,000 with the serial numbers of the bills listed on his website.

Then USC may lose a scholarship or 2.

RIP Logan Young is right. I’d hate to claim a national title in retrospect and honestly I don’t know if it would go to AU or OU but more than likely OU. I mean if we counted our titles like Bama counted to 12 we would already have a good claim to it and I would take the recognition in retrospect whole heartedly.

Bush can’t give me that feeling I should of had in the upper deck of the Super Dome after capping an undefeated season. I don’t care about the recognition.

In reviewing the list of major infraction holders, Arizona State leads the pack with 8. Add to the mix, Dennis Erickson, and I think the Vegas over/under on ASU’s impending probation is 24 months.

Funny how the Stanford grads who run Yahoo Sports keep digging up this Reggie Bush story over and over again like it’s news (third time in 13 months). Each time, it is just before a major event concerning USC football (i.e. Days before national signing day in 2006; the day before they faced off against Nebraska in Sep-2006 and now just days before national signing day in 2007). The NCAA and PAC-10 have investigated and investigated and found nothing.

What is amazing here is that the media keeps reporting this like it’s a new story. I have to admit that the “tapes” were a nice touch this go-around.

You just have to wonder……..