MAYBE MICHIGAN WASN'T THE TEAM THAT GOT SCREWED.

I don’t think I’m gonna believe that happened when I wake up tomorrow. Watching the end of the game again on tivo (about to get to the hook and ladder at the end of regulation) and continuing to drink heavily now.

Boise State is overrated.

Also, Notre Dame is a great, great place to send your kid.

UN-FUCKING-BELIEVABLE!

Boise State is now officially my 2nd favorite team.

Further evidence that OT in college football (or at least, OT as it is now) sucks.

With the rules from 1995 in place, when Boise scored their last TD, they’d have done the statue of liberty thing right then, and gone ahead in the score, and we’d have had an attempt at a Stanford Band (or for you younguns, the UM/UNL irrelevancy bowl from last year) type return by OU. And the result of the game would’ve been in a half hour earlier, and it would’ve been a legitimate result decided by guys playing football. Not some weird-ass exhibition akin to deciding the World Series with a home run derby.

Way to go, Broncos! Congratulations!

That’s non-BCS teams 2, BCS teams 0 in BCS bowl games. And I thought those “mid-majors” couldn’t compete with the big boys. Hmmm…

I have never been so excited about a non-TCU game in my life. My immediate and totally knee-jerk reaction is that that was the best game I have ever seen. Period.

Balls of freaking steel out there in Idaho. Love it, love it, love it. Bring on Boise State vs. the tOSU-Florida winner to determine the REAL champion.

GO FROGS
GO BRONCOS

Yeah, I gotta agree with Edmond on this… and I’ve also never looked at it the way crazy tom did either, but plain and simple, you can’t have ties in college football… it just doesn’t work. If you went back to ties, it would create a tear in the space/time continuum.

Boyzee State (sp?) should have lost the damn game. Damn the refs and damn the trick plays, I HATE IAN JOHNSON!!!!!!! Once everyone reviews this game and sees it for what it is, they will demand that it get stricken from the record books, like that damn Oregon game.

PS- Does that Boise State DC want a job in Norman?

A pump fake, Statute of Liberty play on a two point conversion to win it in overtime!?!?! Well fuck me with a prize winning vegetable; I have now seen it all in college football.

I saw Playstation football come alive on my TV screen with human beings.

crazy tom, you are as your name suggests nuts! That was one of the greatest, most dramatic football finishes I have ever seen at either the professional or collegiate level. I wouldn’t want it to have finshed “30 minutes earlier.” I enjoyed every second. If anything, this game validates the college OT system especially compared to the “you better hope you win the coin toss” NFL OT. This game may singlehandedly push the NCAA to institute some form of a playoff system.

Outside of maybe moving the starting spot from the 25 to the 35 or 40 yard line, college football overtime is far superior to the NFL version. Both teams get a fair chance. BSU definatly has some big ones.

my comments earlier on being bored should be redacted. The Fiesta restored my faith in college football after it was stomped on by the mediocrity of the Cotton, Outback, and Cap One Bowls. The Rose Bowl may have turned out well, but I had long since fallen asleep by the time USC figured out that UM’s CBs couldn’t run with their receivers.

My issues with NCAA OT are not based on the fact that it is overtime. I am not opposed to the concept of overtime, in and of itself. But if the choice is between a tie, and a bastardized distillation of the game down to naught but goal line defense, I’ll take the tie. At least when there were ties, there weren’t nearly as many tie games as there are now. Coaches had balls then. If you’re going to have overtime, you must have:

1: a clock
2: kickoffs
3: punts
4: field position

Otherwise, you’re just throwing something out there that looks like football, it smells like football, but brother… it ain’t football. And I like football. And if something is not football, then it sucks. Moreso if it says it IS football.

And playoffs would suck. We got a good game today precisely because OU was not good enough to really be a title contender. If there were a playoff, these teams would’ve been playing the cream of the crop, and been beaten soundly. (Oddly enough, with all that said, I love NHL playoffs, with their neverending OT… but at least they play hockey in their overtime.)

And one final thing, for the playoff advocates:

Tonight’s finish is precisely the type of thing you would NEVER see in a playoff. There’s not a coach on earth with the stones to pull off a statue of liberty play to win or lose the game if it were a playoff elimination game. If Boise were playing for the right to play again next week, as opposed to playing for respect, I guaran-damn-tee you they’d have kicked the extra point.

CrazyTom – two words for ya, brah: Bull, and Shit.

I’ve been watching those Smurf Turf playing bastards run all over my personal team ever since they joined the WAC, and that play in their OT series – as well as that nice little hook-and-trail play in regulation – wasn’t nothing fancy or unique. That’s just how they roll at BSU.

Bitch if you want, complain if you must, but BSU just pulled off one of the ballsiest plays in CFB history and restored some luster to an otherwise jaded system.

Huevos Grandes, Broncos! Well done.

crazytom, if you want boring-ass punting and field position, just stick with the SEC or Big 10 — there’s plenty of it to go around. Personally, I’d rather gouge my eyes out with a fork than subject myself to that kind of “real football” all the time. Football is supposed to be fun, you know. And that’s what this game was. Fun.

I thought I was going to see Rocky 3 with OU playing the part of Clubber Lang and BSU playing Rocky in their first bout. Then it turned into Rocky 1 (“I just wanna go the distance…” Then it turned into Rocky 4, with the Soviet Premier standing and clapping next to me… Or something like that.
If I have seen a better college football game, I can’t think of it at the moment. Maybe the 14-9 UF win over FSU in ’91, but this one had more fairy tale in it.
That game salvaged a day of otherwise yawn-inducing football, in my opinion.
Cut the eye, Mick.

Shit. I turned off the game in disgust when Oklahoma intercepted the ball and scored with a minute left.

I was all set to complain about the BSU coaching staff blowing it by seeming to not even seriously try for a first down with about 4 minutes left in the game. And then the defensive plan seemed to be “don’t worry too much about a touchdown, we can stop the 2 point conversion”. Oh well, I still saw a great game, even with missing the end. But I’m pissed.

That was one of the greatest games I have ever seen. It was far more watchable than the Rose Bowl, and I’m a USC fan.

This game was nothing less than a triumph of good (Boise State) over evil (Chokelahoma) with what was nothing less than a miracle (honestly, a statute of liberty play????).

Mid-majors should be invited every year to the BCS if they can bring their bags full of tricks with them.

Awesome! one of the best games I’ve ever watched. The “evil empire” comes back, scoring 25 in a row, seals the deal, loses it on a hook-and-ladder, Peterson seals it again, lose it on a halfback pass, and its over on a Statue of Liberty!! Crazy Tom you DUMBFUCK! Go back to ’95 and tell Charlie Ward I said hey NBA!

Heck, I watched the game and it still seems like you’re on PCP when I read the description! That was incredible.

Hearing all this talk about how this was the greatest game ever is making me physically ill. I went to sleep not long after the Rose Bowl thinking it was the last bowl game of the day. And why shouldn’t I, ESPN/ABC’s hype machine had me thinking it was the only bowl game to be played this season. Yes, I’m blaming ESPN for me missing what some are calling the greatest CFB game they’ve ever seen.

fuck fuck fuck. that was one of the greatest games I’ve ever seen, in any sport. Last year’s Rose Bowl was admittedly an all-time great as well, but a national championship only lasts one year. BSU on the other hand might have just made a major, lasting impact on college football (or maybe not, but eithe way, fuck, what a great game).

#11: yes, definitely. I couldn’t agree more. BSU almost reminded me of Northwestern in ‘95 except even crazier since they’re not even from a big conference. But’s it the same full blown balls to the wall attitude. I loved that they didn’t back down an inch the entire game, even when Zabransky threw that horrible, horrible pick 6 at the end and it looked like it was over. Florida fans, you guys better make sure Urban Meyer calls up Chris Peterson and gets those massive bronze balls back that he loaned out after the SEC title game. I still can’t believe it, 4th and fucking 18, and they won it with the fucking STATUE OF LIBERTY!!! Truly, a terrible cliche sports movie could not have scripted a more unbelievable ending. In 20 years people will still be talking about that like McMahon in the Holiday Bowl and the Hail Flutie.

Hey crazy tom,

there’s some of “those damn kids” on your lawn again.

Better grab your shotgun and chase them away.

Oh, and,

GREATEST. GAME. EVER.

A thing of beauty. That lateral pitch on the game-tying touchdown play almost gave me a tingle in my special place, it was so well executed.

Yet thanks to the WWL’s bunker mentality, I’ll bet this doesn’t get nearly as much “instant classic” hype as Notre Dame’s OMG GREATEST COMEBACK EVAR! against Michigan State.

People, let’s not get crazy here. That game rocked last night, but Boise State is a flash in the pan that beat an incredibly overhyped Oklahoma team that backed into the BCS.

All this does is make me wish even more that the BCS system had been opened up to the little guys a couple of years earlier so that my 2003 Miami RedHawks could have finished off Ben Roethlisberger’s career with something other than an anti-climactic pre-Christmas pounding of Louisville in scenic Mobile.

And Jmac gets the BCS excuse machine rolling…thanks for that. I’m surprised it took this long.

OU comes from ahead to lose and Stoops gets depantsed, 3 times in repid succession.

Huge set of nards BSU. Well done.

I concur with crazytom’s playoff comment, when he suggests that a playoff system would diminish the likelihood of spectaculars like last night’s Ballsy State-Oklahoma game.

Let’s scrap all the computers and BCS garbage and have the bowl committees do what they used to do (that is, actually analysis, not just shrimp-cocktail-eating and the swilling of badly-mixed 7-and-Sevens in various college towns). They should find interesting matchups, compelling stories, and pay a coupla teams to duke it out in a warm locale.
The AP guys can vote on a number 1 afterwards if they want to… so can we, and so can the Tallahassee Garden Club. Who cares? Of course, this idea would tear down a bit of the Sports-tainment wall, currently climbing towards heaven itself (Tower of Babel, anyone?), but it would be more fun to watch.

No need to disagree with me and crazytom though, since it will never happen.

I may recant all of this when I wake up tonight, sober.

After BYU and Boise State who cares anymore about Oregon vs Oklahoma?

I’m not making any excuses for the BCS, but I think one win – albeit a thrilling and commendable one – doesn’t mean anything. What it means is that the Broncos executed a solid game plan last night and used it to beat an overrated and overly cocky Oklahoma team.

I just want some perspective – overall, Boise State is now 5-17 against BCS conference opponents. If the Broncos sustain some success in beating BCS foes over the next season or two, then we can talk about them ‘arriving.’

Listen, I’m a Georgia fan … I remember last year’s Sugar Bowl. And West Virginia went out this year and proved it belonged among the nation’s best (save the South Florida debacle).

One victory does not a dynasty make.

Jmac, exactly how did OU back-in to the BCS? Didn’t they win the Big 12?

I just mean that Texas had the title locked up and then endured a staggering late-season collapse. Losing to Kansas State and Texas A&M to close out your season – particularly after some folks were talking about a repeat title (before Ohio State smacked ’em down) – allowed Oklahoma to slip into the title game.

The Sooners are a good team, but I don’t think they’re the strongest team from that conference. Of course, that conference was pretty down this year too, as was all of college football.

Its “hook and lateral”

Not hook and ladder.

And if we had a playoff system, Oklahoma would have been home watching their basketball team lose and Boise State would have been hammered by tOSU, UF, USC, or Michigan. Well, maybe not Michigan.

Every time a non-BCS team manages to knock off a BCS giant, we hear the same excuses about how the BCS team had an off day or really isn’t that good this year.

The point is that the competitive gap between BCS and non-BCS isn’t as great as the sports media and most fans would have us believe. Sure, the dregs of the Sun Belt and MAC lose a lot of body-bag games, but the top non-BCS teams are consistently pretty competitive with their bigger rivals. The bowl record was something like 3-3 this year, with only one game (South Florida beating East Carolina) being a “blowout” for the BCS team. In fact, BYU and Hawaii both scored easy wins over BCS foes.

You have to consider, too, the massive gaps in revenue and exposure between teams inside auto-qualifier conferences and those outside of them. Look at what, say, Baylor makes for whoring itself out to the Big 12 compared to the money that trickles into schools like Boise, BYU, TCU, etc., on a yearly basis. Give Boise (for example) the type of guaranteed revenue most BCS teams get plus access to decent bowls and regular ESPN/ABC/CBS coverage year in and year out, and you will eventually have a powerhouse. Most fans of BCS schools don’t understand the enormous disadvantages of living outside the system. That’s why Boise’s win was such a big deal last night, as was Utah’s shellacking of Pitt in 2005. And it’s not just newbies like North Texas and Troy that are shut out. TCU has been playing football since 1896 and has far more tradition than (for example) either Baylor or Texas Tech.

Incidentally, TCU’s record vs. BCS teams since 1998 (the first year of the BCS, if memory serves) is something like 12-6. It’s a winning record, in any case, and it includes wins over a Big 10 co-champ (Northwestern in 2000), USC, OU and Texas Tech. Our BCS runs have always been derailed by somebody outside the system, not by some BCS team putting is in our place… Also, we beat Louisville three out of four years while the two schools were in C-USA together (2000-2004, with our only loss coming in 2004), and yet Louisville gets the whole BCS treatment now from the sports media.

Anyway, I’m digressing, but the point is that Boise went the distance and actually managed to beat a BCS conference champ last night. In fact, with Utah’s win over Pitt, no BCS team has ever beaten a non-BCS team in a BCS bowl.

Nobody said that Boise St. is like the next coming of fucking Knute Rockne, dude. However, since 1999, the Broncos are 85-16 with 7 conference championships and 7 bowl appearances (4-3 bowl record). That’s almost a decade of consecutive 8-10 win seasons and complete domination of their conference. Sounds like a WAC dynasty to me.

What the hell is so great about the BCS conferences anyway? Does being in a BCS conference ensure that you have a good team? I think the Illinis and Missippi States of the world can answer that. Where would you have picked Boise St. to finish in the Big 12 this year? (seeing as they defeated the “overrated” Big 12 champion, after all)

Congrats on the Chick-Fil-A victory, by the by. That must have been sweet.

oh, j mac, glad to see you noted that all of college football is having a down year. that must help to explain how the pompous overrated Sooners from the crappy Big 12 snuck into the BCS and then played possibly the worst game in the history of OU football, enabling Boise St. to pull of their boring, uninteresting little victory.

Congrats to Boise State. That game was friggin awesome, and Boise definetley deserved to be there. Don’t feed me that crap though about mid majors being 2-0 in BCS games. That Utah game a couple years ago was against THE WEAKEST team to ever play in the BCS.

TCU is 16-6 against BCS foes since 1998, and I do think they’ve gotten the royal shaft in terms of the BCS. Hell, I’d be more pissed with Boise State and Utah for getting the bids rather than y’all. The Horned Frogs have proven considerably more than Boise State or Utah (particularly the latter).

I don’t disagree with you in terms of the level of revenue or exposure. Those are considerable obstacles for non-BCS schools like Boise State, but I disagree with you concerning the level of play. If you put Boise State in, say, the Big 12, then they finish 9-3 or 8-4 with a record of 10-2 every once in a while. That’s a good season, for sure, but I wouldn’t list them in the hiearchy of the teams there. If they played Nebraska, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M and Texas Tech week-in and week-out, they wouldn’t be reeling off 12-0 and 11-1 records each year as you get playing the Idahos and Wyomings of the world.

Last year, Boise State played three BCS teams and lost all three. This year the Broncos had a nice win against Oregon State in the regular season and, by virtue of the Broncos knocking off USC, that probably helped get them into the BCS.

My point is that all of this talk about Boise State deserving a shot against Ohio State is ridiculous. The Broncos, with all due respect to the Sooners, drew one of the two weakest teams in the BCS (along with Wake Forest) and beat them in overtime. It was a great win and a fun game to watch. It would be cool to see Boise State see more sustained success against BCS teams down the road since seeing the blue turf on TV rocks.

Do you dispute that college football is down this year?

Do Ohio State, Michigan and Florida hold a candle to what Texas, USC and Penn State did last year?

Congrats on the Chick-Fil-A victory, by the by. That must have been sweet.

We enjoyed it very much, thank you.

That was f**king magic. I haven’t enjoyed a bowl game that much since I don’t know when.

As for the people saying it’s a flash in the pan, Boise St rolled like that all season, and they’re not doing it with a bunch of 5 star recruits… they’re coached well, and they play their asses off.

Since we’re talking about non-BCS teams playing ‘weaker’ BCS foes, let’s talk about that. Two years ago, I thought Utah should play Auburn. I didn’t think it was fair that you had two additional unbeaten teams who couldn’t square off against each other.

Do non-BCS teams get the shaft in that regard? Absolutely. And part of my larger point is that I would rather see a 12-0 Boise State team take on, say, Michigan or USC since most folks regard them as the ‘third-best team in the game’ right now.

The BCS is doing a disservice to the non-BCS teams when they get there by not pairing them up with adequate competition.

College football is the only sport I can think of where allegedly intelligent people make straight-faced arguments about what teams deserve this year based on what they did last year.**

If jmac’s argument works, shouldn’t Michigan have been disqualified from the Rose Bowl because they were only 7-5 last year?

I’m convinced the real reason we don’t see a college football playoff is because right now D1-A coaches have the only gig in town where 28 of them can finish the season as winners.

• NOTE: If subject team is Notre Dame, replace “last year” with “under Ara Parseghian.”

Thanks for the kind words about the Frogs. I wasn’t trying to turn the discussion toward TCU. I was only using our records (one of which I got wrong, obviously) as an example because I don’t have to look them up…

In any case, it’s impossible to say how Boise would do in the Big 12. You can’t just cut Boise out of the WAC and place it in the Big 12 and start predicting records. Playing in the Big 12 would mean tougher competition, but it would also mean increased revenues, improved recruiting and better media exposure. That sort of hypothetical cuts both ways.

But, even if Boise was never better than 8-4 or 9-3 in the Big 12, it would still be a better team than (at least) Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas and probably Oklahoma State and Missouri (and maybe K-State these days) year in and year out. It would be on a level with Texas Tech, a solid Big 12 team just about every year. And yet Baylor, ISU, Illinois, Miss. State, Vandy, Arizona and on and on and on get millions for losing consistently in BCS conferences while Boise gets considerably less for running a successful program. That’s where the inequity comes in. If Boise doesn’t deserve to be in the Big 12 because it would only finish 9-3 every year, why does Baylor, with something like 10 wins over Big 12 competition in 10+ years, deserve to be there?

As for Boise getting a shot at Ohio State, it wasn’t feasible under the current system. But who wouldn’t watch that game in a playoff scenario now? Who wouldn’t be pumped for it? It would be a ratings bonanza. Hell, I’d love to see BSU and tOSU tee it up after Jan. 8 in a matchup of the undefeateds. Everybody thought that OU would blow Boise out, but look what happened. You just never know.

Congrats on your wins over Ga. Tech and VT, by the way. Both games were hugely fun to watch.

DevilGrad, good point about college football coaches. And fans like finishing as winners, too.

Jmac, the BCS is doing a disservice to everybody. I’m sure Auburn fans, just as one example, would agree.

jmac: alright, alright, fair enough, sorry. I thought you were just getting the excuse bandwagon rolling but you have well thought out points that you articulate intelligently whether we agree or not. but jeez dude, what else is Jan. 2nd for besides having silly, irrational arguments about flaws in the BCS?

I don’t think Boise St. would win the Big 12 every year or anything or even come close. But if they got to play in a stronger conference then they could continue building up their program. It’s kind of a shame that they’re stuck in the WAC. It’d be great if they could pull a Louisville switch over the Pac 10. It just seems like they can’t really develop that much further without consistently facing better competition, not to mention the added revenue and all that other junk.

Oh, and for real, the Chick-Fil-A win was a pretty good one. I thought you guys were done with VT’s killer defense but that was a great comeback (with some help from Reggie Ball’s doppelganger).

College football is the only sport I can think of where allegedly intelligent people make straight-faced arguments about what teams deserve this year based on what they did last year.**

I guess you sorta give me the benefit of the doubt …

My point in stressing the previous year’s record was not to detract from the Broncos’ success from this year, but to put in perspective whether or not Boise State could be considered more than merely a ‘flash in the pan.’ I think the Broncos are a well-coached team and will have loads of confidence now, so I have good reason to believe they will have continued success.

Boston Frog, I understand your frustrations, but I think we’re talking about two different things (maybe). I wouldn’t dare argue that Vanderbilt or Iowa State are ‘better’ than Boise State. Far from it. The Broncos would roll in those games … though Georgia didn’t against Vandy … [muffled scream].

Are the Broncos ‘better’ … I’d say yes? However, the caveat being that if someone like, say, Kentucky – a consistent bottom-dweller in the SEC – puts together a solid season and earns a bowl bid, they have to do it against the more dominant teams at the top of the conference. There’s more parity, I suppose, and that means that if a Kentucky gets it done, they have a legitimate argument to be in a good postseason slot. This doesn’t exist in the WAC.

Now, do the Baylors and Vanderbilts of the world benefit from the additional revenue and exposure from playing in a BCS conference? Of course they do, so I won’t dispute that at all. I’d like to see ESPN work harder to include more Mountain West and WAC games on TV to make it more fair for the voters and the fans.

… with some help from Reggie Ball’s doppelganger …

There would need to be more ridiculous scrambling 22 yards behind the line of scrimmage, elbows thrown at Georgia trainers and errant, wounded duck passes for it to be a true Reggie Ball-doppelganger. The rest of the Virginia Tech players were doing their part to provide the trash-talking.

Whether Boise State is a “flash in the pan” likely will have a lot more to do with financial resources than it does with the product they put on the field.

My alma mater traditionally spends less on its entire athletic depatment than OSU does on football alone. Our football coach makes less than a first-year associate at any halfway decent New York or DC law firm. Boise puts more money into football than that, but not enough to keep coaches from leaving for, say, a down-on-its luck Big XII program.

Under those circumstances, it’s hard to sustain ten-win success, and unrealistic to denigrate the ten-win seasons that do happen solely because they are so difficult to replicate.

Jmac, if you’re saying that it’s easier to win in the WAC than in the SEC, I agree. There’s obviously no doubt about that. And I wouldn’t begrudge Kentucky the opportunity to play a good opponent in a decent bowl. However, take a look at some bowl teams’ schedules. A lot of mid-level BCS teams make bowls by beating three or four body-bag teams and/or 1-AA opponents and then struggling to get maybe three wins over mediocre teams in their own conference. That’s essentially what a good WAC or MWC team does, too, but the BCS team gets a much better bowl with a better opponent and more money while also getting the cash the big boys bring into the conference.

And, most bottom-feeder BCS programs can sustain themselves by being bad and cashing checks while top non-BCS schools that actually invest in their programs and try to win struggle mightily to survive financially. The division between the two seems arbitrary at best. Actually, I’d love to see a system of relegation and promotion in college football and other American sports similar to the one that exists in European soccer and rugby. But that’s a bizarre tangent for another day…and, as I think we’re about 90 percent in agreement, anyway, I’m going to stop rambling and go get some lunch.

Boise State is a welterweight who got a lucky hook on the chin of a heavyweight

Let Boise State play a heavyweight schedule in Big 12 or SEC and they will be 8-6 every year.

The game was fun, but like my granddaddy used to say: “even a blind hog can find an acorn every now and then”

’nuff said

BostonFrog has put forth some fine points about the inequity of the nonBCS schools vs. the BCS schools. To gain a better perspective let us replace the labels of nonBCS na dBCS with racial terms before the Civil Rights Era. NonBCS schools can be called Colored or Negro and the BCS schools are white. If we use those terms, I believe that we can see that if we want more nonBCS schools to be competitive with BCS schools the issue that has to be addressed is equality. The fact that they are excluded has forced nonBCS schools to be excluded from being able to share in any of the profits, media exposure, recruiting, etc. that came from this game.

For all of you that cheer for a big time program maybe you should have the balls to cheer for a program where losing seasons are a regular occurence. Show me a fan of Temple, Buffalo, etc. I will be impressed.

My modest proposal for fixing the system is to adopt something like the Euro-soccer world has. The BCS conferences get matched up with a mid-major. The bottom team in the big league gets relegated to the lower league and the top team from the mid-major conference moves up to the paired BCS conference. So in my system the Pac 10 would lose Stanford next year and gain Boise State. The Big 10 would get the winner of the MAC and lose thier bottom feeder.

It will never happen, but it would be a better system.

I’d show you the Temple fan over at the MAC BBS, but I don’t think he’s back from vacation yet.

Phil, somewhere in my rantings I mentioned the same thing. I’m right there with you. I would love to see promotion-relegation in college football and all American sports.

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a relaegation system would be interesting but administratitvely problematic.

1. BCS conferences must take into account regulation of ALL sports, and Satnford has very good programs outside of football.

2. Advancement of teams would have to be a kind of draft system where each confernce drafted in order of a pre determined need. This is necessary since BSU could go to the PAC-10 or Big 12based on geography. Under this system the Big 12 woukld likely have frist crack at including BSU. This opens up the argurment that geographical limits would have to be imposed by the NCAA so that BSU wouldnt end up in the ACC. Keep in mind that relegation systems work because there are no conferences in European leagues.

Oh, and I am firmly agaisnt anything that gives the NCAA more control.

1. BCS conferences must take into account regulation of ALL sports, and Satnford has very good programs outside of football.

You could make it for football only. That doesn’t address the broader problem of conferences which are (broadly in the case of the mid-majors) geographically based, but on approach to that would be to just make the promotion – relegation patterns fixed — e.g. WAC winner always goes into Pac-10, and Pac-10 loser always goes into WAC.

College football is the only sport I can think of where allegedly intelligent people make straight-faced arguments about what teams deserve this year based on what they did last year.**

• NOTE: If subject team is Notre Dame, replace "last year" with "under Ara Parseghian."

Come on… Ara retired over 30 years ago. We expect to be given our due based on Holtz’s accomplishments. After all, he went something like 12-1 against the final AP top 20 (I think 7-1 against top 10) over a two year span in the late 80’s. All will be right in the world when Weis starts doing the same. Or at least pounding the snot out of the pansies, and occasionally pounding the snot out of a pretty good team (eg, USC and Texas in ‘95, UW in 96…). Of course, unlike Davie and Willingham, Weis actually did come in to something of an “empty cupboard”, which should be pretty well refilled around ’08. Next year is goign to be the suck, though. And I’m keeping my mouth shut about tomorrow. The college OT format still sucks donkey balls, though. For whomever whined about “boring punts and field position”, you hate football. Maybe they should start a new game that’s all overtime from start to finish. You’d probably like that more, you freakin moron.

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Though better for the fans I shudder to think of admin difficulties juggling different conferences for football, basketball, soccer, diving, vollyball…..

or you could, as you said, just do it for football. Though, implementing a 8 or16 game plaoff would seem a more simple solution.

Sorry Boston Frog, I guess I didn’t finish your post all the way through.

My idea was based on just football. Not all the conferences are the same for all sports anyway, since all school’s don’t have the same sports anyway. Soccer got title 9’ed at USC for example but many of the other Pac 10 schools kept the sport (actually when USC still had a soccer team they didn’t play in the Pac 10 and travel up to Washington or Oregon but played a schedule of mostly SoCal colleges).

And my idea was to keep the pairings of conferences geographically based. Perhaps Pac 10/WAC, Big 12/MWC, ACC/Big East, etc.

And Ian Johnson just proposed to his girlfriend, the head cheerleader at Boise State. ON CAMERA. And you know she said yes.

And if she said no later, he’ll get rebound.

One of the coolest things i’ve ever witnessed, and to think I was reluctantly rooting for Oklahoma before the OT (as a fan of another Big XII team).

So, you’re saying that there are college sports other than football? Huh. I had no idea…

Phil, no worries—it’s very easy to get lost in my wordy posts. Sadly, I also write for a living.

Yeah, the whole relegation thing would be nigh on impossible, but wouldn’t it be fun? Imagine Colorado going 4-7 in the WAC or Miss. State going 3-8 in C-USA…

Wait, there’s a way to rid ourselves of Miss. St.? Oh happy day. I’ll take a road trip to Orlando or any other C-USA town over so god-forsaken-god-forgot Starkville, MS every day of the week and thrice on Saturday.

Because I feel for any of you who went to bed after OK’s last-minute interception, a game DVD will be out in a few weeks.
Check out www.ktvb.com for details