SILLY SEASON, BEGIN
Before we write anything else today:
The silly season is the British term for the portion of the year–usually the first half of the summer–where stories about dogs that can type and wacky German festivals involving beer, marksmanship, and tragic combinations thereof make up the majority of the stories you see in the news. That is because, in lieu of actual events, you are fed fake ones.

We call this image “the 2005 Orange Bowl.”
A very legitimate event occurred this weekend: the Rutgers/Cincinnati game, where the Bearcats mauled (get it! silly season punnery begins!) the Scarlet Knights and thus ended the possibility of the Big East having an undefeated team. Oh, and that Ohio State-Michigan game, too, which in pre-BCS days would have qualified as the national championship game. This would have sucked of course: the Big Ten champ would have gone to the Rose Bowl, faced USC, and likely beaten them in a largely meaningless game that would have ended up with a crap split national championship, or even worse, a spuriously claimed single champion with one loss.
The real storylines end in early December with the conference championship games if your conference has one; if not, sadly, your season of actual relevant events is almost over or is in fact completely done. The brief window of addicted and happy is closing, and nothing but cold winter and the warm, woozy embrace of scotch on the sofa waits to comfort you. Good luck with that: college football is a short vacation from the rest of the year, a three to four month window of sudden, relentless competition with no preseason and a convoluted exhibition at its conclusion. The rest is silence…

That’s you around January 6th.
The silly season may begin, though, where marketeers take over and rig up a ramshackle fix of a playoff where once there were only fluffy exhibition games. These exhibition games occasionally take the form of meaningful games, as in last year’s mindbending Rose Bowl between Texas and USC, where the two best teams just happened to meet up in a stadium and play a football game.
Then there are years where math, human foibles, and fate refuse to cooperate and reduce the silly season to an event worthy of its name: something truly silly like this year’s impending matchup between USC and Ohio State, or Notre Dame and Ohio State, or even the much-touted rematch of Ohio State and Michigan.
Your absurdity in quintuplicate:
USC/Ohio State. USC has one loss to a mediocre Oregon State team, a loss which put them out of national title contention in the minds of anyone with half an iota of reason in their souls.
Notre Dame/Ohio State. The team who was beaten dizzy by Michigan will play the team that just beat Michigan and who strutted through their bowl game last year by beating…Notre Dame, the team we started out talking about in this very elliptical sentence. If this makes sense to you, you are on peyote, and it is working.
Florida/Ohio State. Murder. Simple murder. No one wants to see this, unless they take joy from the details of killing as told by the killer. Which no one likes, right?
Arkansas/Ohio State. Another profoundly silly scenario, since you bump a team that simply molested Arkansas in a game earlier this season.
Michigan/Ohio State. A rematch! The people’s choice! Drama! Jer-ry! Jer-ry! Jer-ry! Except the Michigan/OSU game was in retrospect not even that close, with a pair of gift-wrapped turnovers keeping Michigan in the game. Even with those TOs, only a last minute TD and 2 point conversion turned it into the +3 win you would expect by the home team in an even matchup. It’s not a blowout, but OSU’s been the consistently superior team between the two for the past five years. Nothing changes in a rematch.
It’s not the pure beauty contest of the past system, but it’s not in a different zip code, either. Whatever happens will be messy, stupid, poorly governed, and loaded with advertising. This describes most sport, sure; after all, the hamfisted blind ogres who run NASCAR would kill to have something that ran as “efficiently” as college football does. The guys from the NHL would probably have to be talked off the ledges if they really thought about it in comparison.
Yet it’s not anything close to logical or systematic. For a fan with even a faint loyalty to logic, clinging to the primacy of the conference championships as a system of valuation remains your only hope at seeing something resembling clarity. (You think we’re gonna run out of modifiers here? Got a whole bag waiting, man.) The rest, BCS or no, is silly season. And if you enjoy squirrels on waterskis, you’re in luck, because after Dec 3rd or so, that’s all you’re getting.

How bad is it going to get in February? Two words: Mel Kiper.









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zzgator says:
You are so wrong about UF-tOSU…so so wrong.
November 20th, 2006 at 10:46 am
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Futbawl Fan says:
Wonderful remote viewing of the potential BCS matchups… but I will take a small amount of umbrage on one matchup… Ark vs OSU
To look back almost 3 months and say that Arkansas was the same team that got manhandled the first week is to imagine that college football is a sport with any consistancy. Check with the local bookie… betting on college is just this side of Russian roulette for leaving you a little anxious over the outcomes.
Arky has changed… yes, they had a lesser game this week, but EVERY college team will have an off week, but the overall quality of the team does not falter. We will surely get a better yardstick of just who plays in front of fans yelling pig calls in the next two weeks.
Given that Fla crushes FlaSt next week (can they have, *ahem* ANOTHER letdown?) and Arky manages to keep Gigantor at LSU in check, then the SECCG becomes a magnificent yardstick of who the better team from the Southeast is, a team that has been hardened by playing QUALITY opponents for a full season (that’s 13 weeks for you non-conf-champ -game weenies)
I will even buy into the Tebow Kool-Aid theory if they can sneak Marcus Thomas back into the game and stop Arky’s running game. Fla is more fun to watch, but they have problems that will come to light under the withering assault of a good running offense.
OSU and Mich are both great teams. They have played. That game is over. Lets’ find someone to play OSU who has a chance to win.
Nuff’ said.
November 20th, 2006 at 10:47 am
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Orson Swindle says:
ZZ, they would kill us. And Floating Leaf–that’s Troy Smith’s zen master name–would make Blake Mitchell’s scalpel work on us look amateur in comparison.
November 20th, 2006 at 10:49 am
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canuck says:
I’m all in favor of a tOSU-Michigan rematch… as long as the Rose Bowl replaces tOSU with ND so that we can have a ND-USC rematch. The Sugar Bowl picks next and should go with the SEC loser so that we can have a SEC championship rematch as well.
If Arkansas has changed since they were thrashed by USC why not a one loss ND after a win over USC?
Right now I should think either a one loss USC or Florida would have the best cases.
I’m hoping Michigan goes to the title game and tOSU does it over WITHOUT the three turnovers leading to a 4 team playoff ASAP.
November 20th, 2006 at 11:03 am
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JR says:
Hey, if February ushering in Mel Kiper means we no longer have to listen to the nonsense spewing from Mark May’s crap chute for a few months, then bring it on!!!
November 20th, 2006 at 11:05 am
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Steve says:
Mike Hart, You’re right. It would be a different game if OSU played Michigan again… OSU doesn’t turn it over 3 times and the country turns the channel after the thrid quarter…
Logical line of argument:
Anyone who runs the gauntlet of the SEC and escapes with only one loss deserves a shot in the Championship. The Country deserves to see a north vs south battle.
At this point , there are no common opponents between the class of the Big Ten (OSU and Mich) and the SEC. As an OSU fan I would love to see a one-loss SEC team, and not because I fear them less than Michigan. You cannot say, right now, that the SEC Champions aren’t as good as Michigan, and therefore said team should get the bowl bid.
No one can say Michigan was denied a chance at the title if they don’t get in; you can, however, say that a one loss SEC team was denied a shot if they were refused that bowl bid with the possible exception of USC winning out …
November 20th, 2006 at 11:10 am
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Hokie Andrew - Crosses Ocean, Lives to tell the tale... says:
If only because ND’s resume also includes near losses to choke artist Michigan State, underachieving UCLA and a clean sweep clinching of the Commander in Chief trophy to round out the season.
November 20th, 2006 at 11:12 am
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zzgator says:
Orson…let’s just hope we get the chance to see which one of us i right. I’m not booking the Bucks for murder just yet.
November 20th, 2006 at 11:16 am
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Dave says:
As a Michigan fan, I don’t really want to see a rematch for all the usual reasons that have been brought out.
However, I take exception to the postmortem Buckeye cherry-picking: “Gee, if we didn’t improbably turn it over three times we would have REALLY won!”
Well, no shit, but if the #1 rush defense in the country hadn’t improbably missed tackles that led to two cheap OSU touchdowns, then maybe Michigan wins.
There were a lot of ifs in that game, you know, but in the end it was what it was. The better team did win, but I can’t stand listening to how it was really a blowout when it wasn’t. Only in the mind of a Bucknut.
Troy Smith’s gone now, bitches. See you next year.
And the only thing I really couldn’t stand at this point would be to see ND in the title game. That would just be salt in the wound.
November 20th, 2006 at 11:18 am
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Ohiodawg says:
Steve nailed it.
November 20th, 2006 at 11:20 am
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Drogue says:
As a fan of SEC and BIg 10 futbal, and a Hog fan, I have to agree that either Michigan or OSU would wipe the floor with either FL or AR. The Hogs have indeed come a LONG way from the team that rolled over and played dead, at home, against USC. Arkaloids would have been happy with a .500 year and a couple of good SEC wins. They aren’t the same team that USC played and have a little magic going on. But, that still doesn’t put them in the same class as Michigan or Ohio State. USC would beat the Hogs in a rematch and would smoke Florida.
Florida is very beatable, and the are the same team they were at the start of the season, just like ND is the same team that started this season, and the same team that Ohio State destroyed in last year’s bowl game.
Arkies should be ecstatic that they’re even being mentioned at this time of the year, but any thought of playing for the big chicken dinner is bafoonery.
November 20th, 2006 at 11:24 am
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AllWhoYonder says:
Dave, on the same token, it pains me to think that if ND beats USC this weekend we will probably get Michigan to that rematch. It was bad enough having to (somewhat) hope that Michigan won on Saturday for ND to have any shot at the title. Now I guess we get to play poodle killers.
November 20th, 2006 at 11:27 am
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captaineclectic says:
Steve,
Does your logic extend to ND? That is, assuming
1) Notre Dame beats Southern Cal, and
2) No SEC team finishes with one loss,
should ND pass Michigan since Michigan has already had its shot at the title game? I’m not asking for your opinion on how likely either or both of my conditions are–just for whether your principle has room for ND in the discussion.
November 20th, 2006 at 11:27 am
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Dave says:
An ND-Michigan rematch would be intriguing. Pantsing you guys twice in one year would be some consolation, I guess.
November 20th, 2006 at 11:32 am
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Brandon says:
Dave-
Missed tackleS? Watch the highlights again. There was one missed tackle in the backfield on the Wells run. And really Wells just ran him over and spun off the hit. Pittman went the distance without having a hand laid on him. Great play calls, great blocking schemes, and a underrated ability to hit the hole quickly is what caused those two “cheap touchdowns.” Don’t be bitter.
The bottom line is that the Buckeyes made tons of mistakes and still never trailed after the opening touchdown. Three turnovers, a stupid roughing the center penalty when they had UM backed up, a questionable, yet stupid either way, pass-interference on a 3rd and 17… I’m not usually one to talk about coulda’s and shoulda’s….but there was never a question who the better team was.
Time for USC or Florida to get a shot.
November 20th, 2006 at 11:33 am
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canuck says:
Hokie Andrew,
Before their games against USC and Florida: ND SOS=30, Arkansas=73, Air Force and Navy are bowl teams unlike Southeast Missouri State and Louisiana-Monroe.
Steve, Your lack of common opponents argument dies if ND beats USC and Arkansas beats UF: ND>USC>Arkansas.
UF has a great claim if USC is out, but only an SEC fan would suggest that the best team from the SEC-ACC-Big 12 Confederacy gets to play the best team from the Pac10-Big11-Big East Union.
November 20th, 2006 at 11:39 am
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captaineclectic says:
You know, I think Michigan fans are having a difficult time with creative thinking here. Imagine, if you will, Michigan dropping an early-season game to ND but winning out up until the Ohio State game. Not only do you convincingly beat Ohio State, but Notre Dame loses to an undefeated, title-game bound Southern Cal.
Are you really telling me Michigan fans would just graciously accept that, since they lost head-to-head to ND earlier in the year, ND should rematch with Southern Cal for the title? Seriously?
November 20th, 2006 at 11:41 am
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Pants McPants says:
No rematch….
Please, for the love of all that is Holy, someone step up in the next two weeks and convince everyone you are better than Michigan…
November 20th, 2006 at 11:45 am
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D says:
You guys can scratch Florida from the National Title game. Urban Meyer just went and committed the cardinal sin of coaching … complaining about being snubbed by the BCS with games still left on his schedule.
http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=150759
Karma’s a bitch, Urban.
November 20th, 2006 at 11:49 am
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Drogue says:
How good could a rematch really be if both teams are sitting on their asses for 50 days?
What we saw Saturday is as good as both teams can get.
November 20th, 2006 at 11:50 am
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canuck says:
McPants is on the right track.
USC probably just needs a win.
UF needs offense AND defense vs. Arksansas. It won’t help if it looks like Arkansas lost rather than UF winning.
ND and Arkansas probably need to make it look like the USC or UF never had a chance.
Those 2 games are pretty much New Year’s games for the polls.
November 20th, 2006 at 11:54 am
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Jack says:
Blowing a Red Zone opportunity and subsequent undefeated season against Auburn – Heartwrenching
Watching OSU’s defense give up more points to Michigan than Louisville gave to West Virginia while being forced to listen to the sloppy metaphorical blowjob given to OSU AND Michigan during the entire broadcast – Nauseating
Having to sit quietly while Notre Dame gets heaved out of the National Championship picture then crawls onto the radar and cuts in front of you like that great-big-jerk in 3rd grade – Depressing
Watching Cal get a safety on USC and keep it 9-9 for three quarters, and then blow the game, Only to see a postgame show celebrating the greatness of an unchallenged (sadly, they’re actually one of the more challenged contenders) shell of a football team – Physically Draining
Turning on sportscenter no matter how terrible your life is and Knowing beyond a shadow of a doubt, that despite anything that might go wrong in your life at any time, at the very least you won’t have avoid the flash flood of diarrhea that consistently spills out of Mark May – Priceless!
November 20th, 2006 at 11:57 am
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zzgator says:
Hey D…that karma seems to have played out pretty well in the years since pretty boy Pete bitched about the whole process…and allowed Matt “the golden boy” Leinart to wear a “F**k the BCS” shirt on national television.
November 20th, 2006 at 11:58 am
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NoleinTexas says:
There are only two teams that can beat OSU this year, and they’ve already taken care of one. As a fan, I don’t want to see a rematch – Michigan had its chance and didn’t get the job done. Bring on the Nuts v. Trojans.
Besides, a team shouldn’t have to beat the same team twice to win a title, as Meyer pointed out. Hey, that’s interesting. I’m not sayin’ anything….I’m just sayin.’
November 20th, 2006 at 11:58 am
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Stranko Montana says:
Who cares about this football stuff. I can’t get enough of looking at that cute squirrel… and he skis too!
November 20th, 2006 at 11:58 am
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Dave says:
Well, I won’t get into a pissing match here, but I still think it is pretty lame that some Buckeye fans can’t just be happy that OSU won. They have to OMFG WIN MICHIGAN SUXX0RZ!!!!1
You won, you were the better team, but you know we gave you guys the best game of anyone the entire season and that, with only a slight shift in karma points, you very well could have lost. So let’s not pretend otherwise.
Anyway, congratulations to your team. I will have to be rooting for USC since I don’t think any other team will have much of a chance in a title game. (And I’m not exactly sure about USC either.)
We’re #2 and Rose Bowl bound — not a bad season. We have another year to nurse our wounds and take revenge in Ann Arbor. See you then.
November 20th, 2006 at 11:59 am
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matthew says:
January 8, 2007 (and maybe a bit into the 9th out East):
USC: 38
tOSU: 24
Just sayin’.
November 20th, 2006 at 12:04 pm
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canuck says:
McPants,
Back in the day if #1 met #2, #3 met #5, #4 met #6 on New Year’, the new #2 would depend on how convincing the wins were.
Only of one of those three games has been played. Let’s see if someone can make a case in the other 2 games. USC should be #2 if they win. Beyond that there are a load of ifs that should give way to whoever makes the best case on the field.
November 20th, 2006 at 12:04 pm
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yz says:
wondering, if the tOSU -mich rematch occurs, is mich the national champion? when they play twice and split, how do you say one’s better?
November 20th, 2006 at 12:08 pm
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yz says:
duh, if mich wins, that is.
November 20th, 2006 at 12:08 pm
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OmarBradley says:
At least there’s no more Rutgers noise in the system.
As a Florida fan, I can’t help but blame F$U. Of all the years to not dominate your punch line of a conference!
The Semenholes will play their best game of the year vs. Florida, and if the Gators do manage a win, no style points will be awarded. No jumping of Michigan allowed.
Moving on, I proudly present Herbstreits’ AP poll this week:
1 Ohio St.
2 Michigan
3 Southern Cal
4 West Virginia
5 Arkansas
6 Notre Dame
7 Florida
8 Louisville
9 Oklahoma
10 Wisconsin
11 LSU
12 Texas
13 Georgia Tech
14 Boston College
15 Auburn
16 California
17 Virginia Tech
18 Tennessee
19 BYU
20 Boise St.
21 Texas A&M
22 Penn St.
23 Clemson
24 Wake Forest
25 Arizona
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/specials/collegefootball_front/votes/10041.html?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME
November 20th, 2006 at 12:11 pm
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DC Trojan says:
USC has one loss to a mediocre Oregon State team, a loss which put them out of national title contention in the minds of anyone with half an iota of reason in their souls.
Yeah, I suppose so, but it’s not every day that you see a zombie put their head back on. Surely that should count for something in the silly season.
November 20th, 2006 at 12:16 pm
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Pants McPants says:
canuk-
I actually agree (shudder), I only hope the voters can see that….I worry that a USC loss will only strengthen UM’s case, since their win over ND would be an even “eliter” win…
And I worry that even if Florida wins out, they will do it in a way more akin to the comedy stylings of Jim Belushi, rather than John…
So Notre Dame, do everyone a favor and lose, please…You”ll likely keep UM out of the NC game, so it’s not all bad…
November 20th, 2006 at 12:21 pm
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J-skool says:
UF’s championship in ‘96 is quite different from this year’s Michigan – Ohio State rematch.
Unlike today, Florida and Florida State did not hold the 1-2 spot in the polls after the Noles won at Doak. FSU was not in line to win the Nat’l title should they had beaten UF again. Arizona State and Nebraska helped the winner of the ‘96 Sugar Bowl to the Nat’l Championship — and that just happened to be the Gators.
Seminoles, get ready to be ripped. Next year’s FSU media guide will read a new record for margin of defeat to the Mighty Gators. Enjoy it.
November 20th, 2006 at 12:22 pm
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osu8490 says:
The problem with an OSU v. tsun rematch – OSU has to beat tsun twice to be National Champions, but tsun only has to win once? I don’t buy it. The lack of potentially interesing opponents is why I spent my $$ on tickets to The Game and won’t be going to the BCS title game this year. No potential opponent is all that interesting to me – with the exception of USC. The old Big 10 v. Pac 10 champions has some old school appeal, although they won’t be meeting in the Rose Bowl.
November 20th, 2006 at 12:27 pm
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Daniel Adams says:
“The bottom line is that the Buckeyes made tons of mistakes and still never trailed after the opening touchdown. Three turnovers, a stupid roughing the center penalty when they had UM backed up, a questionable, yet stupid either way, pass-interference on a 3rd and 17… I’m not usually one to talk about coulda’s and shoulda’s….but there was never a question who the better team was.”
Infuriating. So OSU runs a spread out of the shotgun (with a center who was nursing a banged up hand) to neutralize Michigan’s front four, successfully runs this for two halfs, and when the risk of the shotgun manifests itself twice, these are “gift” turnovers.
Bullshit. This was a three point game. Both teams got some breaks, and it was a three point game. If that makes OSU a better team, so be it. But to say that OSU is a better team because it COULD have been worse for Michigan? Give me a break.
November 20th, 2006 at 12:41 pm
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Futbawl Fan says:
I have gone to the top of Mt Cheaha and consulted with the gods (Bear, Knute, Schembo, Woody and JoPa *he had one leg in, one out)… they have sent me back with a dry erase board with their thoughts…
Ten Commandments of College Football Championships
- Thou shalt play the game with good players, not thugs
- Thou shalt be allowed one loss early, but a late loss makes the Holy Crystal Football a false plastic copy
- Playing a weak schedule makes for hollow claims to superior status…. the demon of ratings will make you suffer in the end
- Shun not the wins over average opponents … for they are wins
- Thou should not have to beat the same team twice to claim the Flag from the Hill… if it occurs, beat them like a jailhouse snitch or sufffer permanent humiliation
- Championships won without strong defense equate to marrying transsexuals… something is wrong with the act and your win will always be scorned
- Complaining about the championship process will bring a hex upon your house…shut up and play
- Bragging about championships more than 3 years in the past is the act of fools and deluded sycophants
- Claiming a win from the previous year has any affect on the new season is a fool’s task… pity the moving mouth
and finally…
- Championships awarded by sports writers and coaches polls are false idols… play on the field and WIN or brag not about what could have been
Amen
November 20th, 2006 at 12:48 pm
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canuck says:
McPants,
Any USC win, any UF win with offense, two digits blowouts for ND or Arkansas. Other than that the BCS is in the twilight zone, which might be a good thing for those who want a quick change from a 2 team playoff to a 4.
November 20th, 2006 at 12:52 pm
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NoleinTexas says:
Wait, wait, wait. Just because UF was #3 in 96, Ohio State playing Michigan in a rematch wouldn’t be the same? Eh? Here, let put on some coffee – Columbian roast anyone? – and see where this goes. I’m sure this will be fascinating.
November 20th, 2006 at 12:53 pm
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shortSleeves&sweaters4ever says:
Loved the game. Michigan looked terrific. “What if?” is a losers card. 3 turnovers and missed tackles are part of the game. The whole game is “What if’s”. On behalf of Buckeye fans who don’t get it I appologize to the rest of you. Great game UM.
Only 2 teams make me nervous; Florida since I believe Meyer signed the same contract with the Devil as Tressel. USC because their 3 year “dynasty” is so intimidating.
I’d prefer to play USC because they have the Song Girls and the slight chance USC could get blown out.
November 20th, 2006 at 1:02 pm
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Stranko Montana says:
It is different because of all the late hits. You see, FSU cheated to win the first time.
November 20th, 2006 at 1:12 pm
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Stranko Montana says:
Actually, what is different is that UF was out of it after FSU won. Only a bizzare series of events which ultimately, and improbably, came to fruition made the game a possibility.
November 20th, 2006 at 1:13 pm
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Geaux Irish says:
Nice touch by Herbstreit to not have Boise State anywhere in his top 25.
November 20th, 2006 at 1:17 pm
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Geaux Irish says:
Scratch that….they’re in there at #20. My bad.
November 20th, 2006 at 1:18 pm
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Dave says:
Sort of like this year. I guess. If a rematch happens, it won’t be because UM “deserves” it. Computers apparently don’t consider “deserves.”
Anyway, silly season is right. Our season’s done. Next Saturday is going to be some sort of Bizarro World for me where I have no idea who to root for or why.
November 20th, 2006 at 1:22 pm
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NoleinTexas says:
I guess that’s why it’s technically different, but Meyer said that a team shouldn’t have to beat another twice, expecially in a championship game….so….where’s my ring?
November 20th, 2006 at 1:25 pm
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Albino Tornado says:
OmarBradley:
I guess Herbie didn’t notice:
1. A Big 12 North team went to a Big 12 South teams place last weekend and won. He must have considered the score to have been an error or that it happened in Bizarro Universe — that’s the only reason I can think of that 8-3 Nebraska isn’t on his ballot and eATMe is.
2. Wake Forest getting pantsed by Virginia School of VCR and Gun Repair.
3. That Wisconsin wasn’t competitive against the only good team they played.
Did he let Corso fill out his ballot or something?
November 20th, 2006 at 1:29 pm
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atepesm says:
Hokie Andrew
Read More . . . Post Less. The best way to let everyone know you are an idiot is for you to say something.
In reviewing the updated BCS rankings, there are 7 teams on ND’s schedule in the Top 40 of the Rankings:
2) UM
3) USC
16) Georgia Tech
25) Penn State
32) UCLA
36) Purdue
39) Navy
Comparatively, Arkansas and Florida, with their schedule of D1 AA teams, doesn’t really have the much of an argument for scary schedules (Florida has 6 top 40; Arkansas has 5 top 40; both have played a team with a top 200+ ranking).
Quite frankly, the SEC has yet to prove they aren’t overrated.
By the way, tOSU has only played 3 top 40 teams. I think there’s an outside chance they could get caught on an off day.
http://www.tellshowbcs.com/
November 20th, 2006 at 1:29 pm
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S says:
who was that guy that lambasted mel kiper back in the 80s. bill polian??
November 20th, 2006 at 1:31 pm
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atepesm says:
Oh yeah, one more thing, USC has 10 top 40 teams on their schedule. If they win out, they deserve to be in the NC game WAY more then UMich.
November 20th, 2006 at 1:32 pm
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Daniel Adams says:
“Only a bizzare series of events which ultimately, and improbably, came to fruition made the game a possibility.”
So really, the only difference is that here, the improbable series events occurred prior to the first UM-OSU contest? Or am I missing something?
November 20th, 2006 at 1:33 pm
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Devin McCullen says:
Before anybody gets up in arms about it, Herbie didn’t mean to completely leave Rutgers out – he just forgot them when he handed it in, and the AP said it was too late to change it, and it wouldn’t have made a difference yesterday.
And for anyone who watched some of the Rutgers game this week – now you know what a bad QB really looks like.
November 20th, 2006 at 1:37 pm
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captaineclectic says:
Southern Cal will absolutely deserve in if they win out. It isn’t even close.
November 20th, 2006 at 1:38 pm
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Stranko Montana says:
That is the inherent problem… USC does deserve to play for the championship… but so does Florida IF they win out… and ND and Mich aren’t exactly undeserving. It’s not like either of them lost to Oregon State, afterall. PLAYOFF, PLAYOFF, PLAYOFF!!!!
November 20th, 2006 at 1:43 pm
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canuck says:
captain, agreed, any win by #3. failing that a strong win by #4 or two digit wins by the early mega loss teams at #5 and #6. if none of those happen the BCS is in a mess whether or not they rematch.
November 20th, 2006 at 1:49 pm
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hazer says:
No one deserves a shot at tOSU. Lets just play our conference championship games and call it a season. Theres no reason to waste any money going to all these pointless bowl games anyway.
November 20th, 2006 at 1:51 pm
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Dave says:
To say that “if tOSU doesn’t turn the ball over three times….” is ridiculous. Fact is, turnovers are part of the game. So Michigan scores 10 points off of “part of the game.” By my count, Michigan turned the ball over twice. Hear me out here. On their second drive, Henne overthrows Maningham on what would’ve been a guaranteed 7 pts. Michigan punts. That’s essentially a turnover. Fast forward to the fourth qtr when Crable gets an unsportsmanlike conduct for helmet to helmet on Smith on a third down that was not converted. That’s essentially another turnover. So Michigan gets 10 pts from tOSU, but gives up 14 on their two “turnovers.” Seems Michigan would’ve won the game if you don’t count the “turnovers.”
November 20th, 2006 at 1:52 pm
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GeronimoRumplestiltskin says:
Unlike so many bloggers and posters flailing away at their keyboards, I don’t want to feign being an expert in what “would” happen if team X played team Y, so I’ll just offer my hopes for the upcoming weeks:
FL and Ark both lose once, and ND finds a way to beat USC. Now no-one deserves #2, ending all arguments. OSU’s fate? Either a) they meet the Arizona Cardinals in Phoenix or b) the Sun Bowl gets cancelled (having been in El Paso quite a bit over the last couple of years – fiance’s hometown – I gathered that no one there cares about the Sun Bowl), and OSU gets an all-expenses paid trip to El Paso/Juarez to drink tequila and pick up Mexican chicks.
UM and USC play traditional Rose Bowl. Kurt Gowdy is resurrected to call game.
A&M finds a way to beat Texas, and OU gets in and wins B12 championship. Has any coach been through more this year than Bob Stoops? Losing a QB, a Heisman-caliber RB, getting screwed at Oregon? A Fiesta trip is a nice reward.
Georgia Tech wins ACC and goes to Orange Bowl. Calvin Johnson wins the “Tim Brown Best Receiver With Scatter-Armed Quarterback” trophy.
ND plays SEC champ in Sugar. While it would be great to see Mr. Quinn and Mr. Samardzija against a tough-as-cockroaches SEC defense, I’m really looking forward to the other battle: Either Florida’s “Two Yards And A Cloud Of Uncertainty” offense or Ark’s “What The Hell Do You Call This Formation Again?” offense vs. ND’s “We’ll Hold You To Only 300 Yards Of Offense. Sure, Those 300 Yards Will Come On 5 60-Yard Scoring Plays, But You’ll Only Get 300 Yards. So There.” defense. Oh, the humanity….
Oh, well, a fellow can dream…..
November 20th, 2006 at 1:54 pm
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Steve says:
captaineclectic,
If ND beats USC, and No SEC team is left with one loss, there should be a re-match, but only in that case.
I left ND out of my argument because, they’d simply have to beat USC by a huge amount of points to convince anyone that the Michigan loss was a fluke.
I also don’t believe in re-matches or playoffs in college football, the fact that each team plays only once a year makes every game so exciting. Instead of a great home game atmosphere at the ‘Shoe, Big house, Swap, Death Valley etc. we’ll have pro-like neutral sites hosting each year’s greatest games; with pop music stars playing at half time instead of the Best Damn Band In The Land. Games like OSU/Michigan and Auburn/Alabama are so huge because we know they wont play again until next year and a playoff would ruin that. A bowl system is fine just let AP pick the champ and if two teams deserve it, so be it. I know I’m in the minority on this one, but yeah, that’s what I think.
November 20th, 2006 at 1:57 pm
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Orson Swindle says:
Geronimo, please don’t use the phrase “expert” in association with anything this blog does. Noah Webster is spinning like a compass at the North Pole at the very mention of the word.
November 20th, 2006 at 1:57 pm
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Stranko Montana says:
Sexpert, perhaps, but football experts, never.
November 20th, 2006 at 2:13 pm
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Orson Swindle says:
Well, of course. While we’re at it, the following words need to appear more often on this blog:
“sexpert”
“sexecutioner”
“sexpatriate”
“sexcellent”
“sexculpate”–the act of making everything okay with a person by having vigorous, unexpected sex with them.
November 20th, 2006 at 2:22 pm
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Hokie Andrew - Crosses Ocean, Lives to tell the tale... says:
I fully agree that USC, should they win out, will get the nod. And yes the SEC needs to work on their oft laughable OOC sched but it’s not like ND hasn’t had some help to remain at 1 loss. The Irish are one first down and one “Why aren’t you covering the Smajrdjajajaj$#@rja?” away from three losses.
November 20th, 2006 at 2:34 pm
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Dave says:
Oh yes, more Gwar references.
November 20th, 2006 at 2:35 pm
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GeronimoRumplestiltskin says:
Mr. Swindle and Mr. Montana:
I didn’t mean you guys, and should have included a “Orson and Stranko excepted” comment. My apologies.
My comment was an extension of something I said to my fiance Saturday at the sports bar – namingly, that everyone involved in college football thinks that they’re an expert in “what would happen if X played Y”. She listened into the conversations/discussions rumbling on around us, and concluded I was right. It may be the only example in our relationship, past and future, in which she concedes that I am right about something.
Love the blog, guys. It’s the only non-ND blog I read….
November 20th, 2006 at 2:35 pm
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Chg says:
#16 is riddled with problems.
Most serious fans recognize the futility of six degrees of CFB losses, but you seem to enjoy it.
Here’s a few fun ones: Florida>LSU>Arizona>Oregon>Southern Cal
Arkansas>Auburn>WSU>Oregon>Southern Cal
Boise State>San Jose State >Stanford>Washington>WSU>Oregon>Southern Cal
When you lose to a mediocre team like Oregon, all sorts of manipulations are possible.
If we agree to accept all posters’ claims of allegiance at face value, the claim that only SEC fans would suggest a South-north battle was invalid when posted (post #6).
Notre Dame’s high SOS highlights a flaw in SOS ratings. They tend to exaggerate extremes. For a top ten team, Stanford/UNC/Navy/Army and LA-Monroe/Utah State/SE MO State are essentially indistinguishable. They are all punching bags that have proven themselves consistently incapable of remaining competitive with top-flight competition.
However, because ND played four teams in the 60-90 range (wild guess), the formula considers their SOS tougher than an Arkansas schedule that includes three sub-110 teams.
Regadless, Arkansas’s SOS will improve dramatically after LSU and Florida. In the unlikely event both ND and the Hogs win out, Arkansas will possess four quality wins, one bad win, and one bad loss to ND’s two quality wins, two bad wins, and one bad loss.
I can’t imagine many non-ND CFB fans arguing the Irish’s full resume was more impressive than the Hogs.
November 20th, 2006 at 2:37 pm
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Chg says:
Using Dave’s post 57 logic, I counted every positive Michigan play as an Ohio State turnover.
The Buckeyes won by a margin that could only be duplicated with an entire team of Ditkas coached by Ditka.
November 20th, 2006 at 2:43 pm
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NoleinTexas says:
So, you guys suffer from sexlexia?
November 20th, 2006 at 2:45 pm
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matt says:
looks like there is a glimmer of hope that Shula might be gone
November 20th, 2006 at 2:48 pm
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Hokie Andrew - Crosses Ocean, Lives to tell the tale... says:
Just please don’t mention sextirpation…
November 20th, 2006 at 2:50 pm
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Hokie Andrew - Crosses Ocean, Lives to tell the tale... says:
Chg is right, albeit substituting Oregon for Oregon State. The disparity in SOS rankings is more a product of it’s linear nature than any actual arguments over the validity of Team X’s awful matchups being any more or less awful than Team Y’s. Is Buffalo that much better than FIU. How could you really tell? Both are awful.
To aid in resolving this type of discussion I say we research a modified means for ranking teams. Stick with 1-25 for the top and then as you go further into the basement you develop a quality decay function – all sorts of natural process follow an exponential relationship, using one to describe the “meh” level of a CFB team is therefore a reasonable approach. Thus the difference between say #26 and #30 is much more pronounced than the difference between #50 and #80.
November 20th, 2006 at 3:01 pm
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DC Trojan says:
When you lose to a mediocre team like Oregon, all sorts of manipulations are possible.
Are you sure you didn’t mean Oregon State? There is a difference.
November 20th, 2006 at 3:02 pm
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PW says:
Re: #19
Dear Coach Meyer,
While no one wants to see a tOSU/UM (pronounced “tOSU over UM,” a prediction of the outcome) rematch, it likely could have been avoided had your team played up to its potential this season, especially offensively. Since voters don’t actually watch the games, and computers are incapable of such a feat, these small margins of victory over much-lesser opponents, brought about by your lack of Spurrieresque killer instinct, are incredibly damaging to our BCS ranking.
Take this year’s snubbing as a lesson and let’s come back next season and try to look like the UF of the mid-90’s. You know, the UF who would throw 4th quarter TD’s while up by 30 and be unapologetic about it.
Until we have a playoff system, you can’t say “a win is a win.”
November 20th, 2006 at 3:14 pm
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captaineclectic says:
I agree that beating LSU and Florida will give Arkansas an arguably better “overall” schedule than ND (although Navy is, what, a 10 win team this year? and clearly a cut above other punching bags), the performance against common opponents should both win out will be absolutely damning.
November 20th, 2006 at 3:22 pm
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FishFan-GatorMan says:
“…but you know we gave you guys the best game of anyone the entire season…”
ahem. [Name Redacted] and the fighting Illini held tOSU to 17 points in a game the Buckeyes are lucky to have survived. Imagine the mess the BCS would be if they had lost that one!
Bottom line is that until there is a method whereby the best teams are compelled to play each other, the whole “national championship” is a farce.
November 20th, 2006 at 3:49 pm
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DT says:
Thanks, Albino Tornado, for noting Herbstreit’s glaring omission that I also noticed. Well, probably not so glaring to most around here…but I’m glad to see that someone else noticed it as well.
An item that is not registering with most is that perhaps a “rematch” between Michigan and OSU would best be held in a CCG (imagine how greatly a similar rematch between NU & UT could’ve potentially affected the BCS picture, had the horns not dropped to ksu)? Oh, that’s right, the big ten doesn’t want to do that…that might actually render useless the “rugged big ten schedule” garbage that we endlessly hear so much about.
November 20th, 2006 at 4:35 pm
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Chuck says:
It’s three words: Mel Kiper Jr. Thankyouverymuch.
November 20th, 2006 at 4:36 pm
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yz says:
i believe that, per ncaa regs, you are not allowed a CCG unless you have 2 divisions, each with at least 6 teams. further,
“and along those lines, assuming texas beats a&m fri, should they really have to play neb again to win the big 12? i know, i know, texas isn’t the juggernaut it was with v young, and arguably have been over-rated all season, but why have to prove yourself over again? isn’t that why they played the first game? say the unthinkable happens and colo beats neb. now you could possibly have a 4 loss team in the bcs. as conf champion.
the sec, acc, and big 12 all went to 12 teams with the sole purpose of being able to schedule a conf championship game, and thus another bcs bowl-like payday for the conference (tv-wise). seems like it just increases the odds of someone getting hosed. by their own league.”
November 20th, 2006 at 4:59 pm
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Pants McPants says:
Good discussion of the SOS fallacy inherent in the sysytem….
If you play #1 and #100, you have the same initial SOS component of a team that played #49 and #51…Of course, the first team in that scenario has a MUCH bigger chance at a loss than the second. In fact, elite team competing for an NC should pound any team below #30 or so, thus the lower rankings are meaningless. Taking this to an extreme, a team that plays 5 11-1 teams and 6 1-11 teams is worse than one that plays 11 6-6 teams, yet the latter only needs to be above average to go undefeated and the former must beat 5 elite level teams…
Sure, these are extremes, but it shows that you need to look beyond the numbers to rank teams by schedule…people who try to trumpet their schedules by bringing up the dregs of others should remember, if you’re an elite team, it shouldn’t matter whether you play Navy, Washington, Buffalo, or Temple….You should beat any of them easily anyway….
November 20th, 2006 at 5:00 pm
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Wooderson says:
Pants,
Navy’s already going to a bowl game. Westenr Carolina is going home for thanksgiving dinner and staying there. big difference.
November 20th, 2006 at 5:28 pm
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J-skool says:
Re: #73
While I can agree with you on the should-UF-had-taken-care-of-business argument with regard to the Auburn game, I disagree with your expectations for the season.
Florida, quite obviously, laid an egg in the second half in Jordan-Hare — reffing aside. Sure, some credit should go to the Auburn defense, but a look at that first half foretold a big win for the O&B. The side just didn’t follow through.
Most Gators (and non-Gators), however, would agree Florida’s outside chance at the 2006 National Title is a substantial surprise. The SEC title game was a goal high enough for this squad of underachievers.
November 20th, 2006 at 5:28 pm
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yz says:
doesn’t SOS take into account who the opponents played? thus if the 5 11-1 teams played the 6 1-11 teams, that gets reflected.
November 20th, 2006 at 5:28 pm
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Pants McPants says:
Wooderson….
Minnesota is going bowling as well…So is Cincinnati….
If you think of yourselves as a National Championship level team, you will never feel the need to speak of them….You will beat them 38-7 or 44-3 and move on…
November 20th, 2006 at 5:30 pm
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FishFan-GatorMan says:
Since we are playing “what if” I thought I’d throw this into the pot. What if Florida’s punter doesn’t drop the snap that resulted in Auburn’s winning TD? Assuming that they would win out, an undefeated Gator team would be, for sure, facing OSU in Glendale. There would be no talk of ugly wins, or weak offense, or strength of schedule yet it would be the same exact team. One play folks.
November 20th, 2006 at 5:42 pm
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j.j. says:
The Mich-OSU game from this year sort of reminds me of the Fiesta Bowl last year, in terms of how one-sided the game was despite the close score. The Wolverines have an excellent defense and they still got throttled.
I either want Boise St to play Ohio St or Notre Dame. In one case, ND gets an excellent shot at a bowl win. In the other, we all get to see the pride of the mid-majors get its balls cut off on national TV. If the line were OSU -72, I’d probably take the Bucks.
Aside from that, I’d like to see Michigan play USC, like everyone’s saying, in a return to the classic Rose Bowl. And I don’t really care what happens in the other games. Florida deserves a shot at OSU if they win out.
November 20th, 2006 at 5:53 pm
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Brandon says:
If you want to count every time that one team made a mistake as a turnover, we can certainly add Henne’s inability to hit a wide open receiver. I’m sure there were more than three Buckeye mistakes in that second half too. That’s not the point.
The point is, and there is no arguing this, OSU was the better team on Saturday. They beat UM fair and square. It was one helluva a football game and I enjoyed every minute of it.
The biggest problem I have with a rematch is the fact that it essentially makes that game that was just played completely meaningless. The point was made early that OSU should not have to beat UM twice to win a National Championship when UM would only have to beat OSU once.
November 20th, 2006 at 5:59 pm
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DT says:
yz: I’m just saying that the playing field is uneven. If we have to be forced to watch two teams from the same conference rehash a regular season matchup…we should see that in a CCG like we do everywhere else. For the “big ten” it’s as simple as giving ND the ultimatum of either joining the big eleven, or losing the cushy “lose two..but wipe the floor with the service academies & you’re in!” deal they’ve got now. Your UT scenario is a weak argument, only because they happened to play NU this year. What happens if A&M beats them and OU takes the south…they haven’t played NU, so the CCG would no longer be a case of having to “prove it all over again”. Or if the situation mirrored osu/Michigan & UT was undefeated and was NU’s lone loss, how big does that rematch look now?
I guess it’s really just a matter of would you rather have an 8 team playoff, composed of 6 conference champs and the two highest ranked “at large” teams or the mess we currently have on an annual basis. And to me, I can’t see how that can possibly happen until the remaining “power” conferences get on board and meet the same conference championship requirements as the others. I don’t personally think that an 8 team playoff (rooted in the big-4 bowls, with three games to follow) where every participant must win their conference championship game would take anything away from weekly competition and the theory that “every game counts” that we currently enjoy. I think that you may possibly see more 2-loss teams thrown into the picture in a given year, but I don’t think it would diminish the regular season all that much. Just my opinion.
And what ever happened to the argument that was used so often five years ago…that a team that failed to win their conference had no business in the MNC discussion. Herbstreit used to be a clear proponent of that school of thought, until about the time on Saturday when it looked like his buckeyes might possibly not win their conference. Looks like Kirk isn’t the only big 10 apologist who has conveniently forgotten this premise.
November 20th, 2006 at 6:11 pm
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oc phil says:
#84
USC was only a missed two-point conversion away from staying alive against Oregon State (or if they had made one less turnover it would have been the same thing). Given the way the 4th quarter of that game went I have no doubt that USC would have won in overtime.
Lots of games come down to one play. That’s the way the sport works. The fact is Florida did lose to AU and USC lost to Oregon State.
November 20th, 2006 at 6:25 pm
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j.j. says:
Excellent posts today.
November 20th, 2006 at 6:41 pm
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SeaTrojan says:
Fellas, just a little more mental masturbation from all of us – and we’ll solve this BCS thing.
November 20th, 2006 at 6:44 pm
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officepoolprincess says:
I like the squirrel on waterskis tee hee. (blonde moment)
November 20th, 2006 at 7:16 pm
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officepoolprincess says:
How about sexpertise?
November 20th, 2006 at 7:17 pm
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dixiehog says:
Just want to know how ( if arkansas wins out) they will have beaten #22 alabama #13 Tennessee #10 LSU #4 Florida and #2 auburn 5 top 25 teams (ranking at time game was played) with a loss to #3 USC, so how the heck would they wind up behind Michigan, Notre Dame etc….how many ranked teams have they beaten total?
previuosly arkansas has had the 6th and 3rd toughest schedule in the country so excuse them for having a “soft” non conferance schedule this year (see above)
November 20th, 2006 at 7:27 pm
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Marc Ruffalo says:
sos debate (simplified)
schedule A: 3 games you are a 10:1 favorite, 4 a 5:1, 2 a 3:1 and 3 a 1:1
schedule B: 3 games you are a 6:1, 4 a 3:1, 4 a 2:1 and 1 a 1:1.
To the average observer Sched A would seem tougher because of more “big-time games”.
Mathematically Schedule B would be the much tougher on to get through undefeated.
November 20th, 2006 at 7:35 pm
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yz says:
dt,
where in the world did you conjure up the idea that the big 1? holds any sway over nd? they’ve been trying to get them to join for years, to no avail. the only leverage they have is to stop scheduling nd.
and i’m not sure how the ut-neb argument is weak, when you propose the same thing for tOSU-mich.and if a&m beats texas, personally i don’t like the idea of the osu/neb winner being in a playoff for the nc.
my point was not about rematches (and for the record, if it were reversed, i don’t think ut should have to play neb again, nor do i with the current records), but about how the conf champ game seems more and more about the law of unintended consequences. ( i.e. to screw the conference, especially if they have two highly rated teams, one of which would play for the nc if they win, when they have already beaten their opponent for the CCG.)
i could say the same about the sec, especially if mc farkansas loses to lsu and then beats fla.
November 20th, 2006 at 7:42 pm
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yz says:
one other thing about the uneven playing field. back in the day, you could play a hellacious schedule, lose 1 game and still be nat champs if someone was unbeaten, but played nobody. where that changed i don’t know (um, byu?). we like to say the best team has no losses, but the exact opposite argument has been used all year long in the case of lsu and texas.
November 20th, 2006 at 7:49 pm
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yz says:
at least by the likes of craig james, stewart mandel, jason whitlock, and a few others.
November 20th, 2006 at 7:51 pm
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Albino Tornado says:
Well, as an NU fan, I’m a touch sensitive to such omissions. And the NU/A&M inversion isn’t the most obvious omission on his ballot — he left Rutgers off completely.
I know they played like crap against Cincy, but Come. On.
I’m guessing he woke up in a puppy pile of grateful mustachioed Ohio State “lovelies” and picked teams at semi-random… or let the “brain trust” of Corso, May, and Granny Clampett fill it out.
November 20th, 2006 at 10:41 pm
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PCB says:
Let’s correct a factual inaccuracy regarding USC and Big-10 teams: USC usually wins in the Rose Bowl. This took at least 7 years off of Bo Schembechler’s life and that’s why he gave his life to motivate a close game by his beloved Fichigan Wolverines versus the Buckeyes.
If USC wins out, they deserve a shot against OSU (even if those initials were unlucky for them earlier this year) and I wouldn’t bet against Pete Carroll!
Fight on!
November 21st, 2006 at 12:21 am
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DT says:
“we like to say the best team has no losses, but the exact opposite argument has been used all year long in the case of lsu and texas. at least by the likes of craig james, stewart mandel, jason whitlock, and a few others.”
As a Nebraska fan, I have a wealth of experience that leads me to agree with you when you say that any CCG is a hose job at one time or anoher. I just think that a playoff (whose participants would be selected, based largely on being conference champs) would be far more fair to everyone involved. Now that the Pac 10 has every team play one another, that’s fine that they don’t have a CCG. But the only other way to ensure that happens in a 12-team conference is by having a CCG. But I’ve come to believe that making the field by winning one’s conference (or else being one of the two highest-ranked non-conf. champs) is a much better way, because it actually has something to do with what happens on the field. Teams control their own ability to win their conference and this takes the power away from a bunch of writers, sportscasters & coaches who (as was made apparent way back at #31) are fucking clueless. It wouldn’t matter any more what James/whitlock/et al think about who’s better than who…all that would matter would be if you won your conference championship head-to-head on the field of play. And that being the format that I would propose…I don’t really care about Notre Dame and their ego. In this hypothetical fantasy-land, they could either join a conference, or call themselves the people’s champs every year for all I care. To me, the most logical fit would be to preserve the many rivalries that ND has established with big 10 teams.
But most of all, as a big 12 fan, I guess I’ve had my head filled with this for about the last five years to the point where I actually buy that a team should win their conference to qualify for a BCS slot..but here’s an example of the playing field being uneven: I don’t get the double standard that dictates that in 2003 & 2001, OU & NU should’ve been penalized for losing/not participating in a game that didn’t even exist for the other team in question (USC/Oregon)…but now, somehow the same people who employed that logic are willing to change course and make an exception for michigan, when other one-loss conference champions will likely be filling the USC/Oregon role?! The hypocrisy of such people leaves me feeling that we need some type of overhaul to the system, that would take any and all power out of their hands and eliminate this obviously-biased selection process. In my eyes, the “season-long playoff” argument is blown all to hell when–at the last minute–the powers that be decide to turn it into a double-elimination by their poll ballots…when just a few years ago, they used their ballot to try and prevent the exact same thing from happening in the case of another team. I’m fine with a two or three loss conference champ making it into an 8-team playoff field every so often…if it means that the fate of deserving teams is left to be determined on the field, and no longer by the so-called experts. Like the EDSBS mission statement says: “college football is far too important to be left to the professionals.” Right now, the whole process is about the equivalent of having Michael Kors & Nina Garcia chat it out with the producers, as Heidi Klum announces who’s in and who’s out. And as evidenced by Herbstreit’s most recent AP ballot…many would agree that Heidi Klum would actually do about as good a job.
Sorry for the deeply off-topic rant…it’s been awhile & we’re 100 posts deep, so what the hell.
November 21st, 2006 at 2:31 am
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BearNut says:
For all this clamor about the Big Ten not having a CCG – do you really think tOSU and UM would be in different divisions? That seems akin to putting the Red Sox and Yankees in different divisions. The Buckeyes and Wolverines seem to battle it out most years for the conference championship. Also, call me a traditionalist, but isn’t it heresy to anyone else that old-school rivalries like Auburn-Alabama and tOSU-UM could be played anywhere besides {Jordan-Hare, Bryant-Denny} and{the Shoe, the Big House}? Falsehood, methinks.
Not only that – who *likes* CCGs besides the money-grubbing whores that run our beloved sport? For every evenly matched and exciting CCG, there seems to be a 5-loss Florida State or Kansas State upset that causes an laughable BCS representative. Anyone see the Orange Bowl last year? I would rather eat my own head than be subjected again to that debacle.
My two cents: I have to buy the argument that Ohio State should not have to beat UM twice (in consecutive games, no less) to earn the MNC. Can anyone reasonably refute this? Not only is it not fair to the Buckeyes, it isn’t fair for the rest of the country, who will always resent the fact that they did not have a representative in Glendale on 1/8/2007.
I won’t spend too long ruminating about the potential of Florida, Arkansas, and USC because these teams have appeared beatable in multiple games this year and each still has two more dangerous games left. Early speculation is wasted effort because of the “any given Saturday effect” that seems to take place *EVERY YEAR* around late November/early December. Though I haven’t been inspired watching SC in the doldrums of its Pac-10 schedule, it never seemed like they weren’t going to put it together (double negatives aren’t not HOTT) every week and win (save for Oregon State). Can you say that about Florida, Arkansas, and Notre Dame? If all of these teams (except ND) end up with 2 losses, we may have to see a Big Ten rematch, but hopefully it will the impetus needed to get us a playoff, once and for all.
November 21st, 2006 at 3:33 am
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CrunchTime says:
The BCS is a tale told by an idiot, signifying nothing.
November 21st, 2006 at 8:03 am
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tzubear says:
Hokie andrew post #71-
excellent idea. I had not thought of it but an exponential curve would perfectly represent relalative parity.
November 21st, 2006 at 10:57 am
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tzubear says:
j.j. -
I agree. Would love to see Boise St. play for, and lose the championship and USC and Michigan go old school.
November 21st, 2006 at 11:01 am
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Brandon says:
“And what ever happened to the argument that was used so often five years ago…that a team that failed to win their conference had no business in the MNC discussion. Herbstreit used to be a clear proponent of that school of thought, until about the time on Saturday when it looked like his buckeyes might possibly not win their conference. Looks like Kirk isn’t the only big 10 apologist who has conveniently forgotten this premise.”
DT – at what point did it look like the buckeyes might not win? did you watch the same game I did? Until the onside kick, Michigan was never even within two scores. Kirk’s opinion changed because Michigan is a heck of a football team. He still believes that USC should get the first crack, but that if the Trojans slip up, that he can’t find anyone else that would give the Buckeyes a game. It had nothing to do with HIS team potentially losing. Anyone that thinks Kirk is biased in his commentating is listening with unbiased ears himself. OSU fans complain that he often speaks negatively and picks against OSU in this match-up.
I still haven’t seen anyone refute the argument about OSU having to beat UM twice to win the NC when UM would only have to beat OSU once. Is that fair? Doesn’t that make the amazing game that was just played somewhat meaningless?
November 21st, 2006 at 11:08 am
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yz says:
um, actually, it was 35-31 just after the start of the 4th quarter. maybe herbie just wanted to sound balanced compared to mushberger’s non-stop fellatio of osu.
in any event, how could you vote um #1 if the two split 2 games? (and i’m STILL against a rematch)
November 21st, 2006 at 11:30 am
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J-skool says:
#101 –
While the Big 10 does not meet the requirements for a title game, let’s assume it may in the future…
I believe the ACC placed FSU and Miami in separate divisions, and the championship game in Jacksonville, with the idea that at least 6 out of 10 seasons would see the two play one another for the ACC title. Of course, the ACC Brass speaks directly to the strength (or, weakness) of its very own conference in such a scenario.
Regardless, if Michigan and Ohio State played in the same division or in separate divisions, I don’t see how the two meet again for the BCS title. Then again, I really don’t understand how the two will meet again for the present Title, so to hell with all of it.
November 21st, 2006 at 12:27 pm
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DT says:
Brandon: I don’t have a tape of the game, but I’m afraid I really don’t think that any of us can truly speak intelligently as to why Herbstreit changed an opinion that he’s voiced quite publicly for several years. But the fact is that for whatever reason, he did…right in the middle of the game that he said should not be rematched…up until the time it was played. And your assertion that “He still believes that USC should get the first crack” is kind of shot by the AP ballot he submitted this week. It appears to me that he actually believes that Michigan should get first shot.
Believe me, I’ve been as unabashed a Herbstreit fan as you can be for years…I know the man personally, as I worked on espn college football for three years, during the 97-99 seasons. The last I saw him was when I drank beer with those guys after a friday night radio show, before the 2001 ND game in Lincoln. You’ll not find someone who has defended Herbstreit as much as I have. But between his flip-flopping last saturday (on his well proclaimed stance that a Non-conference champ should not be eligible for the BCS) and the aforementioned AP ballot…I’ve lost a lot of respect for him as of late.
yz, I totally agree…there’s no way you could vote for Michigan over Osu, unless they won in a rout, which is highly unlikely. So we’re headed for either a split title, or a circumstance where the buckeyes are forced to win a game they’ve already won. Either way, I agree with Brandon that it’s totally unfair to everyone involved. My whole point is that you can argue all day over which one-loss team is most “deserving” but to argue for any of them is an arbitrary effort. However a conference wants to decide how to determine their championship is really a moot point…my whole point in all this was that composing 75% of the field from those who have met this criteria is a less subjective way than exists currently. And you still save room for 2 teams such as Michigan (or Boise State or the Florida/Arkansas loser) to not get left out for having great seasons, in spite of not winning their conf. championship.
November 21st, 2006 at 2:50 pm
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Brandon says:
As far as the 35-31 score, you’re right. Almost forgot about that because UM went 3 and out and the Bucks scored a couple plays later. That’s not the point. The point is, at what point did Kirk think OSU was going to lose? Save for perhaps the opening drive when we were all a little shell-shocked, I was confident most of the day because we looked like the better team. The turnovers and dumb penalties made me nervous at times, but it was always, if we keep screwing up we’re going to blow it, not “holy crap we’re in trouble right now.”
As for his AP ballot, well, I’ve listened to some interviews he’s given and he’s made it perfectly clear. RIGHT NOW, he thinks UM is #2. But, if USC beats ND and UCLA, he will vote USC #2. He’s playing wait and see and I think alot of the voters are doing the same thing. USC’s loss isn’t as bad as everyone thinks. Oregon State is currently #28 in the BCS.
As for his flip-flopping, to be fair, this has to be the only time in recent memory where it is clear that the two best teams are in the same conference. At least this late in the season….I can’t remember another time.
But anyone that thinks he is a homer, just flat out isn’t listening with open ears. And anyone that thinks Brent Musburger was “(giving) non-stop fellatio (to) OSU” is kidding themselves. Buckeye fans HATE Musburger because he never has one nice thing to say about us. I was laughing my ass off after the first drive when he said, “it looks like Troy Smith will have to bring the buckeyes back from behind in the fourth quarter again.” I’m sorry, but we’d barely played 3 minutes and all of a sudden we’re losing in the 4th quarter? And when have we had to play from behind in the 4th quarter? I don’t remember that happening much this year.
November 21st, 2006 at 4:10 pm