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AAAAAAAAGGGGHHHHH ALMOST FORGOT: SOLON'S PICKS, WEEK 12.

Almost forgot Solon's picks thanks to us watching the Pat White Video three thousand times today. Apologies to all our hardcore gamblers, hardworking Solon himself included.

Greetings everyone. I am bloody exhausted this week, so I'll just get right to it.

I recovered from my Thursday night loss last week to end up at 5-4 for the weekend, leaving me with a season record of 62-47, a winning percentage of 57%. Hopefully I can bump it up a little and do better than last year's 58%. Here are this week's selections:

FRIDAY:

Central Michigan (-3.5) v. NORTHERN ILLINOIS

CMU served notice of their quality early this season with a close loss to BC, and they have delivered on that promise; last week's win against WMU guaranteed them a spot in the MAC title game. Their strength is their O; and, while their D has been overmatched in non-conference competition, in MAC play they have only given up 14 ppg. NIU's O showed much promise, but around the midway point of the season it all went pear-shaped; in their first 5 games they averaged 465 ypg on O, and in their last 5 they have averaged 283 on O ypg against roughly comparable opposition. There is little to suggest what brought on the change other than that RB Wolfe tired of being their sole weapon and the O has suffered without his superhuman performances. As mentioned, the CMU does has more than held their own against MAC offenses--334 ypg allowed in MAC play--and they should be fine against the weakening NIU O. The real advantage for CMU lies on the offensive side of the ball, where the CMU running game has stepped it up as of late and now matches their already-strong passing game as a threat. In MAC play, CMU is averaging 143 ypg and 4.43 ypc rushing; NIU has been pretty good against the run, but the better rushing attacks they have faced did reasonably well; Ohio ran for 178 yards, WMU ran for 129 yards, and Toledo ran for 225 yards, and I would rate the CMU running game as the best of this bunch. NIU's biggest problems this season have been against the pass; in MAC play they have given up 252 ypg and 7.24 ypp with an 11-3 ratio, despite facing only two halfway decent passing attacks (Ball State and Miami (O)). The only one of these even remotely in CMU's class is Ball State, and the Cardinals went 21-29 for 324 yds against the Huskies. I am concerned about the forecast--specifically, the potential for high winds--but the current forecast is for 10 MPH, and I think CMU's passing game will still be able to perform at a high enough level to get ahead of this number.


Aeolus the god of wind cannot stop CMU's passing game.

SATURDAY:

South Florida (+16.5) v. LOUISVILLE

Lost in the shuffle last week was how fortunate Louisville was to get to 25 points against a stingy Rutgers D; they had a KO return for a TD, and also needed a fake punt to set them up for another TD. In other words, after their first drive of the game, they were not able to manage a TD during the run of "normal" play. This is remarkable for a team like Louisville, but at the same time is par for the course for them this season, where I think they are finally feeling the loss of RB Bush; against the non-joke defenses they have run up against--Miami, K State, Cincy, Syracuse, West Va, and Rutgers--they are only averaging 29 ppg and 383 ypg.

Star-divide

These are not bad numbers but given these numbers they do not warrant being favored by this number against a quality opponent. One could make the argument that only the Rutgers D is superior to USF's, among Louisville's opponents; USF has given up 17 ppg and 282 ypg against BCS opposition, and their worst performances were 23 pts (Cincy) and only Rutgers and Kansas have gained as many 300 yds. Equals to the Louisville passing attack are hard to come by, but Pitt QB Palko only managed an 11-23, 159 yd, 1-3 performance against USF a couple weeks back. Oddly enough, USF had a poor performance against Kansas backup QB Barmann early in the season, but Big East opponents have only thrown for 148 ypg and 5.60 ypp, with a 3-6 ratio. I think USF will be able to hold down the production of the Louisville passing game enough to give their O a shot. USF does not have much of a running game, but the weakness of the Louisville D is the pass D; Louisville has given up 7.95 ypp with a 4-2 ratio in conference play. USF QB Grothe has seemingly gotten better each week, and had his best game of the season in his last, a 25-35, 364 yd performance against a strong Syracuse pass D; for the season in Big East play, he is averaging 7.78 ypp with a 6-6 ratio, and his only ineffective performance was against Cincinnati. I think Louisville will be a little flat this week, and as long as they do not jump out to a big lead against USF I think USF will stay ahead of this number.

Missouri (-14.5) v. IOWA STATE

I have a lot of respect for Dan McCarney, and I believe that he is a great coach, but I suspect that this team just wants the season to be over. ISU has yet to be competitive in Big 12 play; their closest loss has been by 14 and their average margin of defeat is 21 points. Mizzou has lost their last two, but Oklahoma and Nebraska are on a different level than ISU is. On D, ISU is poor against the run and the pass. ISU's Big 12 opponents have averaged 185 ypg and 5.40 ypc rushing, and they have only held pass-happy Texas Tech under 100 yards rushing (87); against the pass, they have given up 214 ypg and 8.48 ypp with a 17-3 ratio. Mizzou's O has been pretty good this season; they are averaging 26 ppg against Big 12 teams, and this is almost certainly the worst D they will face in conference play. QB Daniel has been pretty good, averaging 252 ypg and 7.48 ypp with a 12-8 ratio in conference play; given the state of the ISU pass D, he should have little trouble surpassing those averages. To illustrate the point, last week Colorado QB Jackson had an 11-19, 200 yard performance, his best game of the season by some distance. On the other side of the ball, one of my biggest disappointments this season has been ISU QB Meyer. He has had a fair season but there is little doubt that he has disappointed this year. He has had little help from the running game; in Big 12 play, ISU only averages 75 ypg and 2.54 ypc on the ground. Mizzou does not have the strongest run D, but ISU has topped out at 104 yards rushing in the Big 12 this season and I doubt Mizzou will give up more than that number. Given that his team has been behind so often, QB Meyer has had to throw a lot this season, but relatively speaking he has accomplished much; 212 ypg in Big 12 play but only 6.15 ypp with a 6-9 ratio. Mizzou's pass D is not as good as their statistics imply, but they handled Texas Tech and they should be able to handle Meyer in this spot.


Dan McCarney: playing for that great motivator, spite.

Houston (-16.5) v. MEMPHIS

Houston's passing game disappointed last week but their running game more than picked up the slack. Both areas should do well against a Memphis D that is nowhere near as good as SMU's. Specifically, the Houston passing game should get back on track this week; Kolb's numbers are great this season ( 8.80 ypp with a 21-3 ratio), and I rate the Memphis pass D as the worst in the nation. Memphis has given up 236 ypg and 9.90 ypp with a 12-5 ratio in ConfUSA play; the last four weeks, after suffering multiple injuries in to their secondary, those numbers are 262 ypg and 10.78 ypp with a 10-1 ratio, despite only facing 1 above-average QB (Tulsa's Smith). Houston's running game is not their strength, but they will do well against the Memphis D, if last week's performance is any indication (357 yds rushing against a pretty good SMU run D); since the firing of DC Joe Lee Dunn in September, Memphis has given up 186 ypg and 4.55 ypc. Memphis' running game is poor; in ConfUSA play they are averaging 96 ypg and 3.67 ypc. The Houston running D is not all that great but stopping to Memphis rushing attack should not cause too many problems. Memphis throws more than it runs and has a bit of production; in conference play they are averaging 245 ypg on 38 passes a game ( 6.42 ypp). For the most part, though, they are not able to produce enough to overcome their defense's limitations; their cause has not been helped by 10 interceptions in 6 conference games. Houston's pass D is not all that great either, but they stepped it up against UTEP QB Palmer and Tulsa QB Smith, holding them to 5.34 ypp and without a TD pass. As I mentioned last week, Houston's D has been very uneven this season, but I cannot imagine that their D will give up enough points to stop Houston from getting ahead of this number, given what the Houston O is likely to do to the Memphis D.

East Carolina (-2.5) v. RICE

Rice HC Graham has done wonders with this Rice team; given the state of his team's D--giving up 35 ppg--it is remarkable that they sit at 5-5. Perhaps even more impressive is their ConfUSA record of 4-2, given that they have given up a minimum of 29 points in each game. I think this week the matchup is a bad one for them, as they go up against an ECU squad that can slow down their O. There is little doubt that ECU has the best D in ConfUSA; they are holding conference opponents to 19 ppg and 303 ypg, and they held an extremely potent West Va O to 27 pts and 346 yds. Rice does have a great O--probably the best in the conference--but they have not faced the likes of ECU since playing non-conference opponents UCLA, Texas, and Fla State, who between them held Rice to an average of 10 ppg and 205 ypg. There is little doubt that Rice has gotten better since that stretch of games but keep in mind that none of those Ds are truly elite units. And, last week against Tulsa--arguably the 2nd best D in ConfUSA--Rice only gained 306 yards in regulation. The big advantage for ECU--and, really, for any Rice opponent this season--will come when the Owls' D is on the field. ECU's running game is only fair, but their passing game has been prolific at times and I think they will be so again on Saturday; QB Pinkney struggled against Southern Miss and Tulsa, but those pass Ds are in a different class than Rice. Against the other ConfUSA teams on the schedule, Pinkney has averaged 266 ypg and 8.05 ypp with a 5-5 ratio. Rice's opponents in ConfUSA play have had very strong production with the passing game; 303 ypg and 8.73 ypp with a 19-4 ratio. And, for all the weaknesses of the ECU running game, Rice's run D is equally poor; conference opponents are averaging 147 ypg and 4.70 ypc against a not-so-tough slate of opponents (Houston and Tulsa have been the only halfway-decent running games, and I wouldn't rank either of those in the top half of the nation). Given these numbers ECU will almost certainly be able to provide QB Pinkney with some balance and help his level of production. A win here will wrap up the ConfUSA East title for ECU and I think they will come to play and get the job done.


Yarr! Amber alert for Rice's football team likely.

LOUISIANA STATE (-27) v. Mississippi

There is a poll new for this season, where oddsmakers are polled to list teams according to their perceived pointspread strength, i.e., according to who would be favored over who at a neutral site. In this poll, LSU is a joint second in the nation (behind OSU, and even with USC); I tend to agree with this assessment. LSU's problem is that they tend to shit their pants against equally talented opponents (and their schedule doesn't help, given that they drew Auburn, Florida, Tennessee, and Arkansas on the road). Fortunately for them, they tend to dominate lesser opposition and this week's opponent falls in that category. LSU's D should shut down the Ole Miss O; Ole Miss is averaging 261 ypg in SEC play, and they have only hit more than 300 yds once, against Kentucky--and LSU will by far be the best D they have faced. LSU has held SEC opponents to 251 ypg, and have only given up more than 300 yards once, against Alabama. Ole Miss's running game is their strength on O, gaining 132 ypg in SEC play, but those numbers are skewed by performances against Kentucky and Vandy; against better SEC defenses, they are only averaging 112 ypg and 3.38 ypc. LSU has stuffed much better run defenses than this one, and have only given up more than 100 yards once this season, to UL-Lafayette. SEC teams are averaging 59 ypg and 2.35 ypc against LSU's D, and it is likely that they will be shut down Ole Miss' running game. OIe Miss' passing game is even less of a threat; Ole Miss has only averaged 129 ypg passing and 6.35 ypp with a 5-6 ratio. LSU struggled last week against 'Bama but that passing game is far superior to this; for the season against SEC opponents, their numbers are still 6.32 ypp with a 7-6 ratio, and those numbers include games against Auburn, Florida, Kentucky, Tennessee, and 'Bama. LSU's running game has been pretty strong this season, especially recently--against Tennessee and 'Bama, they averaged 197 ypg and 5.40 ypc--but the passing game is where their big advantage lies. For the season, QB Russell has completed 71% of his passes and is averaging 9.46 ypp with a 21-7 ratio. Ole Miss' pass D is poor; in SEC play, they are giving up 7.65 ypp with a 9-2 ratio, but they have only been effective against in the game against UGA, which was still trying to sort out their QB situation. Otherwise, the Ole Miss D has given up 8.33 ypp in SEC play. So long as LSU is not too dispirited by a likely Arkansas win earlier in the day, they should have little trouble sticking it to the Rebels and getting ahead of this number with ease.

ALABAMA (+3) v. Auburn

Auburn always struck me as a bit overrated, and I think in the final analysis the surprising thing about their season will not be their losses, but their wins. Auburn's O has been disappointing; their running game has not really panned out, and they are averaging a very pedestrian 106 ypg and 3.10 ypc in conference play. 'Bama has been vulnerable on the ground--most notably, Duke ran for 198 yds against them--but I cannot imagine Auburn will outperform their SEC season averages by too much if at all. QB Cox was fairly efficient at the beginning of the season, but it has started to go downhill for him lately; while his first really bad game of the season was last week against Georgia (not that he set the world alight against LSU, Arkansas, or Florida, mind), he has thrown 6 interceptions (on just 33 passes) in his last two games after throwing 3 interceptions in his first 203 passes of the season. It's also worth noting that in SEC play, Cox has only gone for over 200 yards against Ole Miss and Miss State. He will have his hands full against a pretty strong 'Bama pass D; LSU and Florida--two of the more efficient passing games in the nation--combined for 9.62 ypp with a 4-0 ratio, but Auburn is not in that class. Outside of these, 'Bama made two pretty good passing attacks work for their yards; Hawaii and Tennessee averaged 7.24 ypp with a 2-4 ratio, and Auburn's passing game does not present a challenge on the order of those teams. On the other side of the ball, 'Bama QB Wilson has had a good season; not only did he throw as well as anyone in a couple of years against the LSU D, in SEC play he is averaging 6.95 ypp with an 8-7 ratio; while those are not great numbers, in SEC play he has gone up against LSU, Fla, and Tenn, three of the better pass defenses in the nation. Auburn is exploitable through the air; for the season SEC opponents are averaging 7.40 ypp with a 6-5 ratio, and last week Georgia QB Stafford had his best game of the season by far against the Auburn D. This is a game where the home field matters more than most, and I think it will tell here as 'Bama gets the outright win.


2005: 10 wins. 2006: Shula loves lamp.

OREGON (-13) v. Arizona
Oregon will no doubt at this point be disappointed in their season, but as long as they have not packed it in they are in a good spot this week. 'Zona appears to have turned it around, and, amazingly, a win in either of their final two games will put them in a bowl this season. The sparkplug has been the return of QB Tuitama; he has jumpstarted their O and been able to overcome the limitations they have with the running game. Even with this, I think he will be up against it this week. Oregon's pass D is one of the best in the nation; outside of the opener against Stanford (a 48-10 win, by the way), no team has thrown for as many as 200 yards against them, even though their opponents have included Oklahoma, Cal, Washington State, and USC. BCS opponents are only managing 152 ypg and 5.61 ypp with a 10-7 ratio; please note that Oregon plays in the Pac 10. And, for all of his success this season as a leader, Tuitama's statistics are very modest; 6.11 ypp with a 3-6 ratio. As ineffective as I think the 'Zona passing game will be, it will light it up compared to the 'Zona running game; outside of a 221 yd performance against Pac-10 doormat Stanford, 'Zona has rushed for 115 yards total (19 ypg) in their other 6 conference games. Oregon's rush D is pretty average, but they will not have too much trouble with this unit. Oregon's O has been pretty prolific this season; until last week, they had not been held under 23 points, and against BCS teams they are averaging 31 ppg and 446 ypg. 'Zona's D has been pretty good this season; outside of a 45-point output by LSU, opponent offenses have scored a maximum of 20 points in any contest. Still, even if Oregon only reaches that amount I think they have a good chance to cover this number. One could make the argument that the only O in the Pac 10 that is as good as Oregon's is that of Cal's; while Cal struggled last week, the venues have switched for them and I think Oregon will outperform the Bears. So long as Duck QBs do not put their D in a bad position with mistakes--as Cal did last week--I do not think Oregon will struggle in this one.

Nevada (-20) v. LOUISIANA TECH

Nevada's O is nowhere near as efficient as it has been in recent seasons, but they are still very prolific, as they are scoring 32 ppg. This LT D is in no position to stop them; the only two opponents to score less than 30 pts against LT this season were hapless Idaho and Utah State, who still scored 24 and 28 points respectively. Even North Texas scored 31 points against LT--their season-high--despite only averaging 11 ppg in their other contests. The scoreboard is not the only place they are getting rolled, they are also getting handled statistically; Idaho and Utah State are the only teams that have managed less than 400 yards against LT, and their season average allowed is 490 ypg. Nevada has shown a propensity for running it up against bad Ds--45 ppg against New Mexico State, Idaho, and Utah State--and this D is about as bad as it gets. LT's O is pass-heavy; other than a game in which they abandoned the pass against Utah State (to good effect, as they ran for 344 yds on 47 carries), LT has thrown more than they have run this season. Their production is not too bad--215 ypg--but they are not especially efficient, only averaging 6.59 ypp with a 12-12 ratio. Nevada's pass D had two bad games against good passing attacks--Hawaii and Arizona State threw for 9.95 ypp with a 9-1 ratio against them--but against the rest of their schedule they have been nothing short of outstanding, only giving up 133 ypg and 5.65 ypp with a 3-15 ratio--and note that they have gone up against Col State, SJSU, and New Mexico State. Even if LT abandons the pass, I do not think it will help them too much; Nevada's run D is obviously not nearly as good as their pass D, but they are quite a bit better than Utah State and will not likely be steamrolled.


Did you know Nevada has the fifth highest murder rate in the nation? He looks psyched to hear that.

Other Games of Note:

OHIO STATE (-6.5) v. Michigan

I'm not going to be able to add too much to the discussion on this game. First off, I think the Michigan D is amazing; along with LSU, I'd argue it's among the two best in the nation, hands down. That said, the OSU D is not too far behind--no Big 10 opponent has gained more than 336 yards against them (one of the nuttier statistics of the year--OSU's two worst defensive performances this season, in terms of yardage allowed, were against MAC teams Northern Illinois and Bowling Green). In my estimation, though, the OSU O has it all over the Michigan O; while I have a lot of respect for Michigan RB Hart, he's not the sort of back that is going to dominate a game; he'll get 4 ypc and never fumble, and that's about it. OSU's run D is vulnerable; they have given up yards to Texas, Penn State, and Illinois, and Michigan should certainly outproduce them on the ground. But I rate OSU QB Smith as the best player in the nation, and I have been high on him since midseason last year. Michigan handled ND QB Quinn, and have done well against the pass generally, holding the better passing attacks they have faced (ND, Wisc, Minn) to an excellent 5.54 ypp with a 6-3 ratio. Against all opponents, Michigan is giving up 199 ypg and an amazing 5.48 ypp with a 10-11 ratio. For the season, Smith is averaging 8.56 ypp with a 26-4 ratio; he will not be able to match those numbers against the excellent Michigan D, but my guess is that he will be able to have a level of production at least as good as Ball State, who threw for 250 yds (despite playing in the MAC, note that the Ball State passing game is legitimate). The passing game is where Michigan will be hard pressed to match OSU's production; OSU has held the better passing attacks they have faced (Texas, Cincy, Minn) to 5.94 ypp with a 2-6 ratio. Henne is averaging 7.67 ypp with an 18-7 ratio; these are good numbers, but his level of production has averaged only 176 ypg and he will be hard-pressed to get to that number against a D that is giving up only 172 ypg and an incredible 5.50 ypp for the season with an equally incredible 6-20 ratio.

So, long story short:
Michigan outgains OSU on the ground, but not by much. OSU outgains Michigan in the air by a decent margin; this is more because OSU's passing game is better, less than because of any weakness in the Michigan pass D. The game is in Columbus, which will count for something. So, I think Ohio State wins somewhere along the lines of 24-13 or something similar, and outgains Michigan something like 320-240. But wouldn't you have to be mad to give 6 1/2 points to this Michigan D?

SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA (-5) v. California

Cal's loss to Tennessee always gave me pause, even when they appeared to have improved. Their win over Minnesota is unimpressive in retrospect, and what look to be the only impressive wins on the schedule--v. 'Zona State, Oregon, and Wash State--were all accomplished with a good bit of luck. While they scored 49 pts against ASU, they only had two scoring drives of more than 31 yards, and they scored 3 non-offensive TDs; against Oregon, the Ducks killed themselves with 4 TOs; and, against WSU, they had 5 and 12 yd TD drives after a blocked punt and an interception. Given their performances the last three weeks, it appears that Cal's luck is running out; Washington played them even despite playing with a backup QB that threw 5 interceptions, UCLA's mediocre O dominated the Cal D during the first half although they couldn't make it count for points, and then 'Zona finally did them in last week. This week, they go up against what is unquestionably the most talented team in the Pac 10; USC had some rough patches at the beginning of the Pac 10 schedule, but it was always a matter of time before their O got it together, and now that their WR corps is mostly healthy they have started to look better, although they stumbled against a strong Oregon pass D last week. While the USC passing game will get their yards, Cal is actually much more suspect against the run; and, despite the injury to RB Moody, USC has plenty of horses in the RB spot and they will get their yards there as well. So, while I lean to USC here I wouldn't play them, because, as amazing as it is to say, Pete Carroll is Jeff Tedford's bitch, and part of me thinks Cal has been looking forward to this game for weeks, and just been sleepwalking through this recent rough stretch; proceed with caution.


I think Pete's calling me, and he wants another cocktail. Right away, sir...

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Alabama v. Arkansas?

by Travis Swenson on Nov 17, 2006 2:00 PM EST reply actions  

Holy typos! Corrected.

by Orson Swindle on Nov 17, 2006 2:01 PM EST reply actions  

bc/maryland has bcs implications but no attention?

by BC Eagle on Nov 17, 2006 2:05 PM EST reply actions  

I think you let the GA game influence you a little to much on the Iron Bowl. Tuberville is undefeated in Tusc. Also AU has played their best games after losses.

by Gatormeat on Nov 17, 2006 2:16 PM EST reply actions  

What, no analysis of the Kurt Cobain Bowl (formerly the Apple Cup) between Washington (now a hoop school) and Washington State (always a party school)?

Time to pull out the shotgun for this doozy.

by The Duke of Wazzu on Nov 17, 2006 2:17 PM EST reply actions  

BC Eagle,

Unfortunately, no. The Miami/VT/Florida State implosions have taken the hype out of what may be a very good game.

by Sean Fitzgerald on Nov 17, 2006 2:17 PM EST reply actions  

No Wake/Va Tech comments?! Should be a good one.
Agree with your assessment of the SC/Cal game – Sure wish Cal would have defeated ’zona. Would have made the job a little easier for my Trojans.

by TrojanRick on Nov 17, 2006 2:50 PM EST reply actions  

Orson,
If the caption under Tedford’s photo is supposed to related to Solon’s summary, you’ve got it backwards. Solon says Pete is Tedford’s bitch. The USC mystique strikes again.

by grrrrah on Nov 17, 2006 2:53 PM EST reply actions  

Solon,
Don’t blame Bret Meyer for his performance. Every time I’ve tried to do that (and believe me, I have), I end up looking at the play a little more closely and see that he’s gotten ZERO blocking. Iowa State’s O-line is about the worst thing I’ve ever seen, with apologies to Brant at RT and Stephenson at C.

Take a good quarterback, apply pressure, and watch him turn into a terrible QB.

by j.j. on Nov 17, 2006 3:08 PM EST reply actions  

The Apple Cup won’t even be close. Ty’s team has given up on him this year after he threw some of the players under the bus for the 7-game losing streak.

I guess the Chan Gailey equilibrium factor for 2006 gets balanced out by the Ty Willingham game planning factor.

by Geaux Irish on Nov 17, 2006 3:28 PM EST reply actions  

Shula vs. Tuberville…..I think I will take Tuberville

by BatonRougeAU on Nov 17, 2006 3:38 PM EST reply actions  

I’m surprised an astute gambler such as yourself hasn’t jumped on the Hawaii bandwagon. I’ve never laughed in the face of a 38 point spread as much as I did last week. [Banya] It’s gold, Jerry! Gold! [/Banya]

by Raider Red on Nov 17, 2006 3:46 PM EST reply actions  

Here’s a better video of last weeks flyover at the UF-USC game. And be prepared, another one is also scheduled for tomorrow .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBfXwjvCdyU

by RedRoot on Nov 17, 2006 4:57 PM EST reply actions  

Who is who’s bitch? Carrol is 3 and 1 against Tedford. Yeah one of the losses was close, but USC won.

Opposing coaches seem to get more milage out of close losses to USC than others get from actually winning games.

by oc phil on Nov 17, 2006 5:08 PM EST reply actions  

SI.com picked a Washington State cheerleader as their Cheerleader of the Week. Therefore the Huskies roll in the Apple Cup.

by Doug on Nov 17, 2006 5:18 PM EST reply actions  

SI.com should have picked the headlock cheerleader from last weekend!

by Geaux Irish on Nov 17, 2006 5:37 PM EST reply actions  

You left out my Jayhawks against k-state…I’m crushed. Truly, I am.

by Will on Nov 17, 2006 5:45 PM EST reply actions  

oc phil:

It was a typo, most likely, since the caption under Tedford makes him Pete C. man servant.

Regarding your comment:

“Opposing coaches seem to get more milage out of close losses to USC than others get from actually winning games.”

That would apply to many coaches, but none has milked that more than the acolytes of the Cheeseburglar’ ed one.

by Stacy Keibler Loves Me on Nov 17, 2006 6:34 PM EST reply actions  

I read that as Solon was saying what he intended says that he wouldn’t play USC because of the bitch thing, so I do read that as him saying PC is the bitch.

I think Orson wrote the captiion and got it the right way around.

And of course Fat Charlie is the main benefactor of the close loss thing. Someone pointed out here recently that last year’s USC game is his signature win so far (along with beating a very down Michigan team last year). It does not matter though. Next week Notre Dame is going to get beaten like an Iranian student in the UCLA library.

by oc phil on Nov 17, 2006 6:44 PM EST reply actions  

Hey Solon,

Do you have a link to that oddsmakers poll you referenced? Sounds like a good resource for purely entertainment reasons.

Thanks.

by Ahab on Nov 17, 2006 6:46 PM EST reply actions  

“Next week Notre Dame is going to get beaten like an Iranian student in the UCLA library.”

Quite possibley the best one-liner of the year.

Outstanding work my friend.

by Rex Cramer on Nov 17, 2006 6:58 PM EST reply actions  

yippee! 8 games this week are on the ticket. And I will never agree to watch the game at the great silverback’s place again. What a bunch of simians. I might of had the baby carrots coming though. I have won several times this year and the victory dance is not the behavior of a gracious winner.

by officepoolprincess on Nov 17, 2006 7:42 PM EST reply actions  

TrojanRick – SC doesn’t play Cal this weekend. They’re hosting MTSU.

Oh, sorry to have ruined your housewarming party last night.

by Jim on Nov 17, 2006 8:16 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah, I’d take Tuberville, too. Why not? He’s strange-looking and a liar. Can you really trust a man who left his last team after telling the players he was staying and then escaping like a theif in the night?

Speaking of which, how’s that November record the past four years working for you, Aggies? Ol’ Fran really knows how to close out a season.

by Newspaper Hack on Nov 17, 2006 9:23 PM EST reply actions  

*thief

Sorry — they spell everything differently up here in Virginia.

by Newspaper Hack on Nov 17, 2006 9:29 PM EST reply actions  

Sorry for the late replies…work.

OC Phil—Carroll is Tedford’s bitch, not because Tedford has lost 3 of 4 (obviously) but because he has outcoached him in 3 of 4 and taken teams that had nowhere near the talent of USC to the brink of victory. This is only noteworthy because Carroll almost never gets outcoached by anyone (the point about Weis, of course, is duly noted—but I don’t think it applies to Tedford).

RE The Iron Bowl—Shula is clueless, an embarrassment for a program as great as Alabama, but I don’t really think much of Tuberville.

In each of Auburn’s last three losses, those games were decided by the end of the 1st quarter. Not that Auburn couldn’t have come back in any of them, of course, but that Auburn was beaten mentally in each and there was nothing there. That’s not an indication that they are headed up by a good coach.

Tuberville also looks like a pathetic old grandma in that Under Armour commercial. Most effete.

RE The Apple Cup—I was all over WSU all week, but I am worried about their performances the last two weeks—losing is one thing, but capitulating like that is another. I worry that the injuries have finally caught up with them.

Raider Red—I have been close to playing Hawaii all season. Damn close, every week—but I just can’t pull the trigger. I may very well play them against both Oregon State and Purdue; I expect them to be favored over Oregon State by about 10 and over Purdue by about 15.

Will—I almost took Kansas purely on situational factors (K State letdown, plus already having 7 wins; Kansas at 5, and with Mizzou next week need to get another win) but I am worried that Freeman has figured it out and had to lay off.

Ahab—I can’t find the link to the actual poll anywhere (it’s put out by LVSC, but not on their site, and I also can’t find it in the LVRJ), but this guy usually links to it:

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2006/11/vegas_oddsmakers_top_25_poll.html

Enjoy.

by Solon on Nov 17, 2006 10:21 PM EST reply actions  

Michigan will win.

by Dave on Nov 18, 2006 3:44 AM EST reply actions  

OPP,

 LOL.

 Newspaper Hack,

 Fran is a fucking fraud, but our athletic director calls going 4-4 in conference ‘improvement’, so he’ll be back next year.
 Fran is quite possibly the only coach in the nation who would pass on 3rd and goal from the 2, instead of giving the ball to his unstoppable 274 lb tailback, just to show everyone how much smarter he is than them. Then do it again the next week, and fail a second time.

by Beergut on Nov 18, 2006 8:32 AM EST reply actions  

Hmm… I sometimes have trouble reading your picks… Are you saying OSU will cover or are you saying it’s crazy to give 6.5 to Michigan’s D, so they’ll beat the spread?

I usually try to separate my analysis from the official prediction, such as here. That way there’s no confusion.

I’m looking forward to this week. Purdue vs. Indiana for the emotional alma mater game, followed by the game of the century with Michigan and OSU. I want to see Purdue blow out Indiana, Michigan and OSU in a close, hard-fought game, and to continue my 62.5% picking percentage against the spread this year :-)

by Brad Warbiany on Nov 18, 2006 11:11 AM EST reply actions  

“Next week Notre Dame is going to get beaten like an Iranian student in the UCLA library.”

That was a fucked up video. And now the kid’s gonna sue UCLA for millions of dollars, which is also fucked up. Any cops who abuse their power like that should just find out the hard way how popular a policeman’s asshole is in prison.

by J.J. on Nov 18, 2006 12:23 PM EST reply actions  

Brad—I am saying that if I had to pick a side, I’d pick OSU, but I wouldn’t pick it otherwise. Often with these games, I’ll list the reason the game isn’t an official play—in this case, that it’s too many points to give to such a good D, or, for the USC-Cal game, that Tedford usually has something up his sleeve against USC—so I could definitely see where it would be confusing.

The “Other games of note” are only included because people raise holy hell if I (e.g.) pick CMU-NIU, but don’t pick OSU-Mich—but they aren’t included in my record, win or loss.

by Solon on Nov 18, 2006 1:15 PM EST reply actions  

beergut- you laugh. Do you know these primates or are you one of them? ;)

by officepoolprincess on Nov 18, 2006 4:35 PM EST reply actions  

you never speak of the Chippewas again you hear me? i blame you for what happened last night Salon…it’s on your head

by Chris on Nov 18, 2006 4:39 PM EST reply actions  

OPP,

 Just count me as someone who appreciates a good victory dance ;)

by Beergut on Nov 19, 2006 4:20 AM EST reply actions  

Beergut- After checking the scores it looks like I can leave my tutu and leg warmers at home this week. :)

by officepoolprincess on Nov 19, 2006 10:31 AM EST reply actions  

Solon- Are you going to post picks early next week? Ticket has to be Wed. by 5. No work on Thurs or Fri.

by officepoolprincess on Nov 19, 2006 4:06 PM EST reply actions  

OPP—I am going to get the picks to Orson on Tuesday night, I’d assume he’ll post them Wednesday morning.

That said, you might want to reconsider taking my advice, the way this month is going. Flipping the coin at least will give you a fighting chance!

by Solon on Nov 19, 2006 4:48 PM EST reply actions  

Well I was running out of new victory dances moves. I’m going to go practice for my comeback special.

by officepoolprincess on Nov 19, 2006 5:41 PM EST reply actions  

OPP,

 Tutu and legwarmers? You must be old enough to remember “Flashdance”.

by Beergut on Nov 19, 2006 6:26 PM EST reply actions  

Watching the Cobain Bowl (Apple Cup) had the excitement of a Steven Seagal vs Jean-Claude Van Damme acting contest. Lots of action but no consistent plot. No-name Huskies were the stars.

Wazzu’s kick return coverage and defense were terrible. Too many big plays.

Does Tedford prefer K-Y Jelly or KobeLube when getting the receiving end of some “Trojan Love”?

by The Duke of Wazzu on Nov 19, 2006 6:35 PM EST reply actions  

Beergut-I’ll never tell. Trying to get a woman to reveal her age? Not a good move. :)

by officepoolprincess on Nov 19, 2006 8:07 PM EST reply actions  

NEVER bet against Bobby P at Papa Johns…..he hates when he doesn’t cover the number….witness late td to cover after USF scores with 5 mins to go….3-1 vs. the spread this year…I think he was 6-0 last year….or was it the year before…..a lot of locals have made big $$$$ playing the cards to cover at home under the Prince of Payup

by happyholigan on Nov 19, 2006 9:50 PM EST reply actions  

there will be celebratory gunfire in Newton if business gets taken care of on Turkey Day and Saturday.

by BC Eagle on Nov 19, 2006 11:07 PM EST reply actions  

OPP,

 Not asking for your age, just saying that ‘legwarmers’ dates you ;)

by Beergut on Nov 20, 2006 1:31 AM EST reply actions  

Solon: So was Pete Carroll Jeff Tedford’s bitch again this year?

(That’s actually a serious question and I think your predictions are a great feature here at EDSBS)

Rex: Thanks for the kind words. I dunno if the story went national or not about the goings on in the UCLA library last week, but here some video…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3CdNgoC0cE&eurl=

by oc phil on Nov 20, 2006 2:14 AM EST reply actions  

OC Phil—I thought that Carroll’s gameplan was brilliant.

It seemed to me that he took away the Cal passing game—Jackson was rendered completely ineffectual, which I would have thought impossible prior to the game—and let Lynch try to beat their front seven, which he couldn’t do (the truth is, with Cal’s OL problems this year, I can’t believe more people haven’t tried this; I think WSU did, but mistakes on offense and special teams did them in. Even UT didn’t have that sort of gameplan against Cal).

I’m pretty excited about their matchup next year; Tedford will no doubt take some lessons away from this game, just like Carroll has from past defeats. USC and Cal should be two of the best teams in the nation next season, so it should be another good one. Hopefully Cal will get a good bowl win and win some national respect for next season.

The most amazing thing about that game is that it was one of the few I actually called correctly this weekend.

Also, that UCLA library story is national—I don’t know how much the average CFB obsessive knows about it, but it’s out there.

by Solon on Nov 20, 2006 2:38 AM EST reply actions  

Beergut—two things.

(1) A few weeks ago you asked about Home-Field Advantage, and I never responded. You were spot on, what I did was calculate point totals in conference games, home and away (in the case of the Big 12, for the last 10 seasons), and calculated the differences. And, for the Big 12, Mizzou was second to Nebraska in terms of largest homefield edge.

How much of this is home-field advantage and how much is road disadvantage is impossible to calculate, as far as I know.

(2) I think OPP is a young-un. I suspect she knows about the legwarmers and the tutus because she is a renaissance woman whose knowledge of pop culture extends well beyond Cheyenne or Casper or Laramie or wherever it is she is from, not because she lived through that era.

by Solon on Nov 20, 2006 2:44 AM EST reply actions  

That monster hit on Jackson on the first drive may have helped take him out of the game. I was very happy with the USC secondary and that is a bunch of youngsters who have improved greatly over the year.

Considering that Longshore and Jackson will be back (though probably not ML) Cal should have a good team again next year. I’m bummed that they blew it against Arizona, had they won that game and if USC makes it to the title game, then I’m sure the Rose Bowl would have taken a two loss Cal to play Michigan.

USC is certainly set for the future. ABC gave a stat in this past game that USC has played 15 or 16 true freshmen this year and also there are only 6 seniors on the two deep chart this year. They will lose Smith and perhaps Jarrett to the NFL, but there is lots of depth at reciever and running back. And of course JDB will return and probably still have to fight off Mark Sanchez at QB.

by oc phil on Nov 20, 2006 12:32 PM EST reply actions  

Solon:

It may be time to eat a little crow and be a man and apologize to Pete Carroll for even thinking he is Tedford’s “you-know-what”.

Tedford has now won 1 (with a lot of luck in OT) and lost 4 games.

I will take a coach getting “out-coached” but winning 4 out of 5 games over a genius loser coach, anytime.

by Stacy Keibler Loves Me on Nov 20, 2006 2:31 PM EST reply actions  

SKLM—It’s also worth noting that in Carroll’s first season, Tedford went head-up with him as OC at Oregon and won, so the actual numbers are 2 out of 6.

It’s no insult to Carroll to say that he has the best players and should win all of his games—after all, he’s the one recruiting them. But if a coach can come in with half as much talent and play them pretty much straight up, during a time that they are among the best in the country—that’s damn good coaching.

And, you’ll note that I thought USC would not only win the game, but cover the spread. Given this, I’m not exactly sure why I should be “manning up”—their victory was expected, at least by me.

by Solon on Nov 20, 2006 3:22 PM EST reply actions  

Solon:

I thought the language used to describe Pete Carroll was in bad taste and not warranted. (That kind of stuff is expected from die-hard fans who do not know any better.)

Plus, Carroll did not start out with the best players. It took him a while to install his system, while recruiting like crazy (with The Orgeron leading the way) to get his players.

I think in mid-year two things clicked for USC and one of the best runs in college football was off and running…..

And it looks like USC will play for a national championship for the fourth straight time. ….

While your genius at Cal, who has been there five or so years, is still a loser. I guess he has an extreme case of “tomorrow-itis”.

But, I always read your predictions and usually, they are pretty good.

by Stacy Keibler Loves Me on Nov 20, 2006 4:48 PM EST reply actions  

I think it is pretty clear that both Carroll and Tedford are excellent coaches.

Tedford has a chance to prove it and gain more national cred with a rematch against TN next year.

by oc phil on Nov 20, 2006 5:55 PM EST reply actions  

Renaissance woman eh? A complement to my intellect? Hmmmmmmmmmm intrigued.

by officepoolprincess on Nov 20, 2006 7:06 PM EST reply actions  

Beergut- Just saw legwarmers for sale at the local Target!….What a feeling, bein’s believin’
I can’t have it all, now I’m dancin’ for my life
Take your passion, and make it happen
Pictures come alive, you can dance right through your life ;)

by officepoolprincess on Nov 20, 2006 7:09 PM EST reply actions  

Very funny OPP, I was won over by the “Pulp Fiction” reference the other day.

by oc phil on Nov 20, 2006 8:20 PM EST reply actions  

OC- Thanks Honey Bunny. It’s one of my faves. Hey maybe you can help. One of the guys said something that the others all “got” but I didn’t.

“As long as you understands this is Flair country, it is."

I can’t figure out what movie that’s from, but I didn’t want to admit it. I fear another public stoning with vegetables. Any ideas?

by officepoolprincess on Nov 20, 2006 9:42 PM EST reply actions  

SKLM—Hey, man, my apologies if you were offended.

In case it isn’t clear, I think Carroll is a better coach than Tedford is, but Tedford seems to get the better of him one-on-one. Not that it’s a perfect analogy, but I often thought that Bowden got the better of Spurrier, even though SOS was a better coach (Bowden’s not nearly as good a coach as Tedford, which is where the analogy breaks down). Sometimes it just happens.

I certainly hope I didn’t imply that Carroll wasn’t a great coach—certainly, one wouldn’t get that impression from this column, but at other times I’d guess I’ve made my opinion clear.

Certainly, my language was impolitic but for the most part I write these things at 4 AM or so in the morning and sometimes my edit mechanism breaks down. The truth is, I didn’t think it was particularly harsh—I’m sure Carroll’s called worse every time he coaches a game. But, as I said, my sincerest apologies if you were offended.

OPP—I’d assume that line is a reference to Ric Flair, former wrestler and Florida Gator obsessive. He was noteworthy for having 40 women in every city, despite being a very ugly man.

But If that line is from a movie, I don’t know what it is.

by Solon on Nov 20, 2006 10:10 PM EST reply actions  

40 women in every city?! Yeah right. LOL Wrestler eh? That makes more sense now. Thanks.

by officepoolprincess on Nov 20, 2006 10:51 PM EST reply actions  

opp: I don’t know anything about pro-wrestling so that might be the flair thing.
When I think of flair (or flare) in terms of movies. my mind goes straight to Jennifer Aniston’s character in “Office Space”.

Solon: Don’t worry too much about SLKM, let’s just say he does not go out of his way to avoid confrontation. You are in NoCal, correct? Today you sound like a Cal fan/alum so it makes sense that you would accentuate the positive in Tedfords resume.

by oc phil on Nov 20, 2006 11:54 PM EST reply actions  

OC- Did you take my red Swingline stapler? I’m going to burn down the building. :)

by officepoolprincess on Nov 21, 2006 12:05 AM EST reply actions  

Not me Pumpkin.

I’m just finishing up these TPS reports.

by oc phil on Nov 21, 2006 12:07 AM EST reply actions  

OC you sound like fun. Maybe you can show me your “o” face. ;)

by officepoolprincess on Nov 21, 2006 12:08 AM EST reply actions  

But I don’t even know where you are. What if I already have 40 women in your town?

maybe just a foot massage….

by oc phil on Nov 21, 2006 1:27 AM EST reply actions  

OC Phil—I live in Marin at this point, but I am actually from the San Gabriel Valley and grew up a USC fan. I just have a lot of respect for Tedford—which is not to say that I don’t have the same level of respect for Carroll, despite my wording in this column.

At this point, I obviously know loads of alums from each school, but I don’t really have any connection to either.

For what it’s worth, I’ll be cheering for USC this weekend against ND; not only will I be playing USC, I’m planning on going to the game—heading home for Thanksgiving.

Perhaps I should add a little bit about the greatness of Carroll in my writeup to satiate the haters.

by Solon on Nov 21, 2006 4:24 AM EST reply actions  

OC Phil—One other thing, I forgot to mention—I’m actually a Georgia grad, both undergraduate and graduate—I spent 8 years in Athens.

I thought I’d mentioned this enough so everyone knew it, but in retrospect it’s obvious I’ve mentioned the Marin thing a lot more, at least this season, than the Georgia thing.

by Solon on Nov 21, 2006 4:31 AM EST reply actions  

OC- Do you have your technique down and everything; you don’t be ticking or nothing? If you mess up I’ll have to toss you out a window. Are there 40 when here? I don’t know. Girlfriends are hard to come by here; that must be why I talk to you people. Alas no one to drink cosmos or go shoe shopping with. sigh.

by officepoolprincess on Nov 21, 2006 9:54 AM EST reply actions  

wow look at those typos…tickling and not when, women

by officepoolprincess on Nov 21, 2006 10:39 AM EST reply actions  

I don’t wanna end up crashing through the roof of a greenhouse and not talkin right.

Have fun hanging out with Carrie and Samantha

by oc phil on Nov 21, 2006 3:59 PM EST reply actions  

Hey OC check out the Office Space reference today. We are trendsetters!

by officepoolprincess on Nov 21, 2006 6:08 PM EST reply actions  

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