BCS ELECTION SEASON GETS UGLIER: THE VILE ND ATTACK AD

Orson…or should I call you “Dr. Evil”….you are a bad, bad man.

It feels good to be loved.

To proceed below rock bottom, you really need explosives.

Best one yet. Easily.

I liked the:

“Paid for by everybody else.”

Beating on the service acadamies is Notre Dame’s right. I think it is the Bill of Rights or something that ND schedule at least two services Acadamies every year.

I also think that ND has no right to make claim the the NCG. They are still the worst one loss team in the top 15.

This is coming from a very patient ND fan who understands that ND will win a NC in a couple of years. As long as Chazz doesn’t die of overeating, and Hanna and Friend’s doesn’t start turning profits.

What’s with the “Benny and the Jets” background music?

I was about to ask the same thing about the music. Strange choice.

“I think it is the Bill of Rights or something that ND schedule at least two services Acadamies every year.”

The only problem with that nice broad brush Odell5 iis the fact that ND has only played two academies in the same year five times in the past 15 years. This year is only the 3rd time in the past 25 years that ND has faced all three service academies in the same year and only the 8th time all-time.

Navy is a constant on the schedule, but since 1990, Army has only faced ND twice and Air Force has faced ND precisely one more time (7 times) than Tennessee (6 times).

No doubt playing all three academies in a single year makes for a pretty easy schedule, but it’s not like it happens all that often.

Notre Dame plays Navy every year because Navy kept Notre Dame’s doors open during WWII – because of this, Father Hesburgh said we will play Navy as long as they would like. The money from that game is a substantial part of their football revenue.

Besides, I don’t think there’s much difference between Notre Dame’s Academy schedule and Michigan’s honorary MAC membership – is it three teams this year?

Pat,

Very good point. It just seems like they play the Pentagon every year.

Only two….we also played a team from the powerhouse SEC. Which team it was is irrelevant.

Funny stuff.

The problem is that a playoff system would be worse. Look at all the problems solved by instant replay.

Yes, we played our annual MAC opponent this yesr, but I’m pretty sure Michigan also played Notre Dame. How’d that work out again?

Actually, Michigan plays 2 MAC teams this year.

And your nd statistic, about fifteen years, is for nd playing ALL THREE service academics. Nd plays at least two of them more often than not. In addition, Stanford and UNC would get prison treatment from the top half of the MAC.

Notre Dame’s chief weapon is surprise…surprise and fear…fear and surprise…. Notre Dame’s TWO weapons are fear and surprise…and ruthless efficiency…. Notre Dame’s THREE weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency…and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope….

Correction: Pat has it right about nd scheduling all three academies.

Bobo – why don’t we just check out the unbiased computer SOS ratings at the end of the year… that usually tells a pretty good story. One you might not like, however.

Bingo Ben. I’d generally bet on AFA and Navy being better than the bottom third of the Big 1? anytime.

47-21. Sandwiches, bitches.

That’s some funny stuff … even as an ND fan.

Love the “Spanish Inquisition” part.

Oh, and I will wait for the third blogpoll correction when you bump UT and Cal.
(Still waiting…………….)

ND plays at least 2 acadamies “more often than not”? Not lately. ~80 straight against Navy, there was a 20 year period where we played Air Force every year, but that was 15 years ago. In the ensuing 15 years, there have been 6 seasons where ND has played either Army or Air Force, including 1995 when both were played. So that’s about 1 home and home for each 5 year class.

Ben, you’re looking at it wrong. While this year Stanford and UNC would both get destroyed by top tier MAC teams, there are years when the BCS conference schools you’ve mentioned have actually been good. Take Tyrone “Chauncey” Willingham’s trip to the Rose Bowl and UNC under Mack brown as evidence. When we scheduled these games, the teams looked pretty good. Thus you see the problem is its really hard to predict whether a team will still be good seven years from the day you schedule the game. However, it’s pretty easy to figure that a lowly MAC team will still be a lowly MAC team seven years out, which is why Michigan loves playing them oh so much.

The fact that you play any of them at any time says it all. There are high school teams in Ohio and Pennslyvania that would never lose to the service acadamies.

Stanford and UNC would be in the top 2 or 3 teams every year in the MAC. They’re just awful this year, so they’d be somewhere in the middle, because the MAC is awful this year as well. The games are not comparable

“The fact that you play any of them at any time says it all. There are high school teams in Ohio and Pennslyvania that would never lose to the service acadamies.”

Um…Navy is a bowl team.

Tenessee almost lost to Air Force.

Army…sucks.

But there’s a BCS ranked high school team in the state of Tennessee that only missed overtime due to an academy coaches gamble to win without overtime. Get real.

ND usually plays 1 or 2 academies. After the Navy game ND is currently at Sagarin SOS=11. Enjoy your cupcakes, but don’t pretend they’re better than Navy or Air Force.

There are 3 service academies that would stomp the snot out of most of the Big Ten(sic)‘s out of conference schedules (CMU, Ball St., Indiana St.) and in most years would beat the snot out of the bottom of the Big Ten conference. If they played, I’d take Navy -14 against Illinois right now.

Arguing “facts” from an attack ad….no wonder politicians keep running them.

Odell51:

You do realize BC goes back on the Domer schedule next year, right?

Did you know that you got indirect linkage on the New Republic?

http://www.tnr.com/blog/theplank

So wait, BC Eagle, are you claiming that BC is going to get in the way of an ND NC again?

Roper & Ebert Video Review Dept:

Saw the video and it gets two thumbs down.

The question: Why does Notre Dame hate America?

Probable Answer: Because its origins/founders were FRENCH, and definitely not Irish.

“I Give those Titties…TWO THUMBS DOWN Bitch!”

That’s the greatest Monty Python show ever. I love Semaphore Wuthering Heights.

Genius. But I do think I recognize that voice, Orson, from a certain Friday Night Lights with Brian over at House Rock Built…nice try on the anonymity, though.

Odell- Actually, I’m pretty sure he’s bitching about how ND gets away with continually scheduling candy-ass crappy teams.

Hmm… strength of schedule. Doesn’t the NCCA, like, track this stuff?

http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/Internet/toughest%20schedule/ia_9games_cumm.pdf

Michigan #2
Notre Dame #50
(through week 9)

Oooookay. Some unbiased facts. Let’s argue!

The service academies aren’t national championship caliber teams, but they don’t stink either. Plus Notre Dame doesn’t warm up with them either. We play Georgia Tech on the road and then half the Big Ten in September while most of your teams haven’t played an away game in September.

Navy beat Stanford worse than Notre Dame did. On the road. It also beat UCONN, which beat Indiana. Navy beat East Carolina and Navy will go to a bowl game. Again.

Air Force almost beat Tennessee in Knoxville. They beat some decent teams, lost to Navy. Plus Coach DeBerry has realized Afro-Americans are fast, so he might start recruiting them and his team may get even better in the future.

Army isn’t great, but they beat Baylor, which is more than Kansas, Kansas State and Colorado can say.

Sagarin SOS (through October 29)

ND (13)
Michigan (16)
tOSU(23)

ND’s schedule is what you’d get if you take a Big 11 schedule and trade some Big 11 bottom feeders for midrank Pac-10 teams and some MAC teams for the service academies. Ask Tennesee about Air Force.

It’s a little ironic that ND got hosed on SOS last year by Tennessee and Michigan’s dreadful seasons.

Strength of schedule is hard to measure. A school should not be faulted for the years when their conference is down, as ND should not be when a tem they play nearly every year (Stanford for instance) has an off year. the academies, even Army in an off year, are generally better than any of the Division 1-AA cupcakes so popular as SEC opponents and Navy and Air Force are generally two of the better non-BCS conference schools around, at least recently.

most conferences, ignore the Conference Championship game, and NDs schedule line up more or less the same. Two or three likely conference champions or legitimate year in, year out contenders (this year Mich, USC and PSU); then a bunch of teams that in good years can make a run at the championship, but finish more often than not in the middle to upper middle of their conference (Ga. Tech, MSU, Purdue, Stanford, UCLA, Air Force (a non BCS conference)) then a relatively tough Navy team, who we will eventually lose to, an ACC team not sure why we are playing, UNC and a last mninute 12th game, Army.

There are years where that schedule will be easier and years when it is harder, depending on how you catch some teams, no different than a conference. We just make our own. I would argue that makes our schedule somewhat harder, although perhaps marginally, because we play teams from different regions with different styles of football than a conference where most teams used to play the same basic game, and we don’t see the same teams every year, but that could cut both ways.

I would like to see more teams that want to play for the NC like real men, play at least one OOC game with another NC contender to make the regular season more interesting. ND does it (it has no choice), but I give props to USC and Michigan for scheduling them. OSU-Texas was a great match-up, same with Nebraska-USC. Orson, when will a top tier SEC team other than Tennessee play a game outside the SEC footprint?

“Unbiased computer rankings”

Oxymoron if I ever heard one.

These computers don’t come up with the idea all by themselves. If they did, would we really have 6 BCS computers.

I was totally surprised with this ad. I never would have expected the Spanish Inquisition.

Strength of schedule should most certainly take into consideration when a conference is in a down year. It should not indicate what you hoped to play, but what you actually play. People should stop arguing that the schedule was intended to be easy because it is and start concentrating on what the SOS actually is.

If UT is a bad team one year, the SOS for all teams that play them should be lower, they are a bad team. Though people should not argue that people tried to get an easy schedule by including UT on it.

OK, here’s the clue train for you uneducated haters:

W/L Team … Strength of Schedule

9-0 Michigan ……… 16
9-0 Ohio St ………. 23
6-1 USC …………… 1
7-1 California …….. 2
7-1 Florida ……….. 8
7-1 Notre Dame ……. 13
7-1 Tennessee …….. 15
8-1 Auburn ……….. 28
8-1 Texas ………… 48
7-1 Boston College … 41

7-0 Louisville ……. 70
7-0 West Virginia …. 89
8-1 Wisconsin …….. 77
9-0 Boise St ……… 92
8-0 Rutgers ………. 97
8-1 Texas A&M ……. 101
7-1 Arkansas ……… 98
7-1 Tulsa ………… 99
7-1 Wake Forest ….. 104

For the moron that said ND was the worst 1 loss team out there. Not even close. That honor goes to Wake Forest, Tulsa or Arkansas.

Computer rankings hard to figure out? Naw – GIGO – Garbage In – Garbage Out.

who needs Nazis when we have rednecks like this?

That was just damn funny.

Tommy T’s Ears.

atepesm:

Arkansas, Auburn, LSU, Florida, Tennessee, and most likely Bama, UGA and even South Carolina would stomp a mudhole in Notre Damn’s ass.

Ohio State, Michigan and a host of others would as well.

Face it, Nobody likes Notre Damn, except hoidy toity northern liberals, midwestern union morons and idiots who don’t know any better.

Be thankful you have no conference affiliation, and are up North.

Dewar’s,

PD’sL

All I ask is that ND earns all the pub and rankings that it gets. I think USC beats them and that puts an end to ND’s ‘best 1 loss team’ crap. Hopefully USC will lose another so both will go away.

1. No way all those SEC teams would kick ND’s ass. Bama lost to Miss State yesterday.
   When does the Shula death watch escalate?

The Hogs are not top 10 material. They play Tenn and LSU in short order and could easily lose both.
Fulmer got depantsed, again, last night, at home. Dude just can’t get it done.

Pat Dye’s Liver, how can anyone even take you seriously? Reading this article neutrally I can see you are the biggest idiot of all the people who have made an intellegent post on this discussion. You sir, are a waste of a football fan. South Carolina? Alabama? UGA? Arkansas? Please.

Did Karl Rove write this? Loved it and I’m a ND fan.

Thats not an attack ad you idiot. Some jackass in a basement made that in about 5 minutes. Heres some inside info for you if you hadn’t guessed it by now. Notre Dame is going to bowls because the media and the BCS make money off of them. Not because they prove anything on the football field. It is rising to almost joke like proportions how badly ND is getting their asses handed to them when facing top notch bowl competition. Hell when facing Middle of the road competition. Never fear. They ND money machine will continue to get the fighting Irish into big bowl games even if their football prowess doens’t. Course they will continue to lose as well.