SUNDAY DISSEMBLING: WE'RE JUST NOT THAT INTO HIM.

How does it feel to have Reggie Ball’s twin brother as your QB!? Comments such as “not that good, never will be” “…with slightly better wheels and 3.5 years of tape to prove it.” Sound eerily similiar.

You guys are the Gator fans, so I guess you know what you’re talking about, but from the untainted perspective of a guy who doesn’t have a dog in this fight, I think you maybe, just maybe, should point some vitrol at your head coach. Signs of a well coached team, typically include but are not limited to, low penalties (discipline) and solid special teams (attention to detail) neither of which have been a part of Meyer’s accomplishments at Florida. The defense is national championship caliber, it’s the offense that will keep the Gators on the national championship sideline and the last I checked “wonder boy” Meyer was supposed to have invented it.

"What do you say to a senior who … should know better than that?"

That’s Urban Meyer on Leak.
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Meyer didn’t say that. That was a question from a reporter to Meyer, who responded:

“This is a team game, it doesn’t fall on one player.”

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/stewart_mandel/10/15/florida.auburn/index.html

Okay, [CHRIS LEAK] prices have been dropping all morning, which means that everybody is waiting for it to hit rock bottom, so they can buy low. Which means that the people who own the [CHRIS LEAK] contracts are saying, “Hey, we’re losing all our damn money, and Christmas is around the corner, and I ain’t gonna have no money to buy my son the G.I. Joe with the kung-fu grip! And my wife ain’t gonna f… my wife ain’t gonna make love to me if I got no money!” So they’re panicking right now, they’re screaming “SELL! SELL!” to get out before the price keeps dropping. They’re panicking out there right now, I can feel it.

I’m pretty sure it wasn’t actually Meyer throwing Leak under the bus with that second quote (though he might well have deserved it):

“It was quite a different scene in the cramped interview room next to the Gators’ locker room, where a forlorn Meyer offered one short-worded answer after another to a firing squad of questioners. One, asking about Leak’s fumble, put it as bluntly as possible: “What do you say to a senior who … should know better than that?”

“This is a team game,” replied Meyer. “It doesn’t fall on one player.” Pressed further about the issue, Meyer said matter-of-factly: “We lost a tough game to a great team in a tough environment … This is a tough-ass conference. You want to blame people, you’re talking to the wrong guy.”"

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/stewart_mandel/10/15/florida.auburn/index.html

Well, you can rest assured with Willie Martinez still in control of the Georgia D, Leak should have a field day in two weeks.

Am I the only one who wants to punch Mark May in his stupid Trojan loving face?

So, when does the “Tebow should start” crowd start registering domains?

Damn, I thought that we were harsh on Chris Leak.

http://loserwithsocks.blogspot.com/2006/10/urban-meyers-post-game-comments-little.html

Two things:
 1) Up until that “fumble”, I was finally starting to belive a bit in Leak (while still thinking he shouldn’t be in thee on an obvious blitz down— he only plays those well when we’re at midfield so he can hit a guy in space).
 2) Up until the pick (which yeah was fucking horrible) I was thinking how this was one of the best (not the most competitive) Florida games I had ever seen, that we would win (we, for as long as I have been a fan, or at least can remember— I’m 24— have almost always been the team that loses the hard fought close games).

p.s. That first half was the first time I saw Urban’s offense and thought, yeah I can see us kicking ass and taking names against the best.

Tebow, God Love him (literally, he’s so uber -religious he makes Wuerrfel nervous) would have gotten us blown out. An argument can be made (hell I’d make it) that Tebow should have stayed in on the play that Leak “fumbled” (it was third down, but we needed like 2 yards for a frist and we had it on the 5 not like the 15) , but to say Tebow should have started is fucking retarded.

Yes, Leak is mediocre… like a modern day Eric Ziere. But that was no fumble…. and Mark May does deserve a punch in the femme pelt

For a coach that preaches toughness he sure as hell coaches like a Mark May when he gets near the end zone. Stick the ball in Wynn’s stomach and tell him to get 2 yards. That’s tough SEC football. I got to question a coach that can’t see what every Gator fan can in Chris Leak. Don’t put the ball in his hands when the game is on the line. He’ll screw up and give that bemused look like he can’t believe he did something that stupid.

I mean no malice towards Chris Leak with this comment…but…

Chris Leak is a loser, in the purest form of the word.

Leak will never win a game for Florida. He might pilot a winning team, but HE will never win a big one like the great ones do. He is either a non-factor or the reason we lost.

In the case of last night, it’s pretty much his fault.

I don’t give a rats ass about “4 year starter” this or “record holder” that. IT DOESN’T MATTER. Leak does not possess the ability to win a game on the line. I want 50/50 snaps between Tebow and Leak. Lets open this up, and see who really gives us the better chance at victory.

Dudes:

Quit complaining about the call. Did you watch the replay….the futbawl went 90 degrees to the right after 10 smacked the ball out of that wimp wristed, pale eyed sorry piece of shit you call a quarterback in Flarida…..jeez, get a life….the call was dead on!

I think Doug Johnson is better than Leak . . . and I doubt Leak will start in an NFL game, which is something Johnson did with the Falcons.

Wow!

ICE Weasels? Dissembling? “Were just not that into him?”

You just got your asses handed to you. UF looked/played scared in the 2nd half. Urban Cryer was almost in tears in the waning minutes.

A few humorous lines and back-pedalling statements wont make this loss go away.

Well, at least your the best team in Florida.

I don’t know when Mark May became USC’s #1 fan, but his faith is misplaced. I saw nothing at the USC game yesterday to indicate that USC is a better team than Florida or Auburn . JD Booty’s play was every bit as dismal as Leak’s (maybe worse as he was singlehandedly responsable for 14 of ASU’s points). I do not know who should be #2 in the nation, but it should not be USC.

Chris Leak will revive his Heisman campaign in two weeks vs. the worst secondary in recent memory. I hope we can hold you under 50.

Leak is simply not a “money” guy. He MAY lead us to an SEC title but only by playing not to lose. That’s what he does. When you’re backed into a corner, you don’t want him as your wingman.

Gator fans,

That feeling you get when Tebow/Harvin are in the game versus Leak/Wynn…What is that? Comfort? Horny? Excited? Puppy love?

Mark May will be predicting that this year’s USC squad will be beating the 94 Nebraska team by 10 points soon. Just watch.

Mark May is adamant that USC isn’t struggling, despite almost getting beaten by washington, washington state, and arizona state these past 3 weeks. Starting Nov. 11, they have these 3 teams in a row, no off weeks:

1. Cal
2. Oregon
3. Notre Dame

All of those teams are better than Wash, Wash St, and Arizona State. But no, USC isn’t struggling.

Lou Holtz’s response was the best part, using old-man logic to beat May senseless with words.

and spit. Words and spit.

As much as every UF fan wants to blame Leak (and there is plenty of that to go around) NC teams don’t hold in the end zone, fumble a perfect snap on a punt, hit the QB late on a crucial third and long…There is plenty of blame to go around, Leak included, but to make him the scapegoat is wrong.

Like I’ve been saying since last night, that “fumble” didn’t bother me nearly as much as that late INT. The refs saw it one way, and it was out of Florida’s hands. However, Chris Leak had no business throwing that horrible pass over the middle of the field. To the outside, towards the sideline? Maybe. But not down the middle of the field. Tebow will have his chances, but on the road, playing an angry Auburn team, with an undefeated record on the line wasn’t the time.

I am pleased to see that the BCS was kind to us and put the Gators at #6. Louisville/WVU, and the games each of them play against Rutgers are pretty big now. As is OSU/UM, and USC’s stretch of Oregon, Cal and ND.

In some ways, it was easier under [REDACTED]. It’s just the whole, “I thought I had it cleared up, it just started to burn again, I’m making an appointment for next week” thing that hurts.

Tebow has never had to drive his team down the field. Has he even been in when there back on the other side of the 50? He’s overrated until he proves he can lead a team.

Chris Leak is a little girly man, don’t like standing in and hates getting his helmet knocked around. This will be his last year of football on a national level, unless you count the NFL Europe, Canadian Football League, or Arena Football League career he puts together.

I will say this, UF had not one false start or delay of game penalty. That is usually a sign of someone paying attention to the details on offense, regardless of the locale, but in JHS on 10/14, it was doubly impressive because it was l-o-u-d.

Reggie is a completely different beast. Reggie’s problem is that he plays to win too much, he’s too competitive and he has too much faith in his abilities. He’s probably the most competitive guy in all of D1 football – he runs the football looking for d-backs to hit, not looking for the safest place to hook slide.

Chris Leak always has looked to me like he plays not to lose. I like his skill level, his composure (you’d NEVER see him up in a Miami linebackers face jawing away like you see Reggie) and his experience. I don’t like his lack of decisiveness and his lack of a killer instinct.

You can blame Reggie for a lot of things (I have) – but you can’t look at his record on the road against ranked teams with a bunch of 2* talent and be impressed, the guy leaves it all out on the field. Reggie wouldn’t have lost that game last night, and is probably a better QB than Leak this year.

As a Tennessee fan, this was the reason I was never upset that Leak and his f’d up dad left us high and dry. You could look into CJ’s eyes during a pressure situation and know he was going to line up behind the right guard. Chris has more talent but when it comes to key moments, he doesn’t fall far from the tree.

Re: #7

Probably. I think most people would rather give him a solid cockpunching or perhaps a boot to the throat. Always go for the soft tissues, my mama says.

Reggie wouldn’t have lost that game last night, and is probably a better QB than Leak this year.

Nathan, that’s…that’s just painful. And true.

Yeah gimme a break about the fumble. That was a fumble.

Cardiac Kids,

Gimme a break about the incomplete pass. One side will never convince the other – but there are not many Gator fans saying “that cost us the game”. Most of us are bigger than that and know it wasn’t THE reason. Just don’t try and tell us it was a fumble.

A few positives for the Gator faithful:
1. Marcus Thomas played like a beast; in Hell, he and Glenn Dorsey would play on the same Defensive Line.
2. There were moments in the first half that gave Auburn fans that sick feeling in their stomachs. With that much speed combined with a solid OL (to keep in a few years), the Gators could be two years away from the scary Spurrier era “Bowling Ball of Butcher Knives (3BK)” and I hope they play like that against Georgia.
3. Great red zone defense, and solid D most of the night.

Negatives
1. Still too many penalties; I can’t believe you aren’t more upset about the stupid late hit on Cox (I think Moss was the guilty party) which gave Auburn a key first down. They need to quit giving away free chunks of yardage.
2. There will be no one on the roster next year who can run the ball and punch the other team in the mouth. Auburn is particularly suspectible to this, but can defend speed very well. UF needs to recruit more TJ Ducketts and less Warrick Dunns.
3. Urban needs to make adjustments during the game.

Overall I thought it was a great game and I hope for a rematch in Atlanta.

Don V, I guess that’s why the refs called it a fumble, reviewed it for 5 minutes, and then still called it a fumble.

Florida is definitely the better team talent-wise, but AU has got some of those intangibles.

You guys are racist.

If that review was 5 minutes long, I was drunk longer than I thought.

Anyway, sat 5th row, NE corner where the Gators came out of the tunnel and across from the band. From our seats, my buddies and I got to enjoy Erin Andrews standing 30 feet in front of us during the terrible second half. Had a great time watching a great game (aside from the loss obviously) and met some cool Auburn fans in the process and after the game. See you in Gainesville next year.

Except for the 8-year old girl with AU all over her face who came up to my friend after the game and said “It’s great, to be, a Gator hater!” while doing the chomp three inches from his face. She can go to hell.

By your logic, CK, there was no controversy in the Oklahoma-Oregon game then. Whatever is ruled on the field is fact – and you’re right. You can’t change the past. Just don’t say they are 100% accurate.

Verdigo,
You must have been in the magical Jordan-Hare section where Holly Rowe turns into Erin Andrews.

First, AU, great game. Second, you can’t go to the SEC championship if you don’t win the Western Division, and unless the Hogs lose to BOTH UT and LSU (and they won’t) you will be watching at home.

At this point now, I’m not concerned with Auburn getting to the SEC championship. If we do we do.

If we don’t then we will go 11-1 and get a BCS at large.

Everything is still Roses (or maybe Oranges)

No matter who you were pulling for Saturday night, you can laugh at this man and after seeing the FEMA binder in the background, you can understand what happened in New Orleans.

http://www.fanblogs.com/alabama/006671.php

AUAlum,

I saw both, but documented the Andrews sighting:

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AUAlum,

Sorry, it’s late and I’m tired. If this doesn’t work, you’ll just have to trust me.

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http://i10.tinypic.com/2heghue.jpg

+Have you checked out the BCS, if USC loses to Cal or Oregon we’re still in it (especially if Auburn makes it to the SEC title game and we beat them). Hell we’re just a bit behind WVU, too bad FSU and Georgia suck so bad or we muight make the TOP 3 before Michigan-OSU.

There’s a name for the phenomenon of Holly Rowe turning into Erin Andrews. It’s called “drinking.”

I don’t care how good you are at mental gymnastics; that was an incomplete pass.

You SEC’ers are great, but when I step away from the computer and go to the bar to watch the Trojans stumble to another victory, I’m not really prepared to deal with a dozen people in face paint yelling “War Eagle” every 5 minutes. You are everywhere, even the most NorthWesty reaches.

Having said that, do you have some kind of “Chick Corps” that your women join after graduating; sent out to areas where the women aren’t as hot? This SoCal native was impressed. They’re hot AND polite…Ho-lite.

Red state showing some love for a Blue state. Nice of you. Maybe this whole crazy United States thing will work out after all.

Cock_Moore,

Most of the time- there is a direct correlation with Elite teams and high penalties. It stems from aggresiveness, which we have plenty of and I wouldnt trade it for anything. The offense kept us in the game. Did you not see the defense gashed time and time again? It’s hard for an offense to operate while on the sideline.

That was CLEARLY an incomplete pass and NOT a fumble, but we lost the game- the refs did NOT take it from us. We need to focus on winning the rest of our games and we need to get some tape on Arkansas. Good game, Auburn- enjoy watching the SEC CG from home….again. Oh, but you’re probably the best team in the conference again, right? I would cherish a rematch on a neutral field, but I think Arkansas is for real.

Good day.

1. - Urban has actually made great halftime adjustments all year, this was the first game we didn’t come out in the second half and more or less dominate.

As for the game: I just don’t quite understand why we refuse to play tighter on the corners. If I was an opposing team, I would do like LSU and run the same twins route pattern every play. One man goes vertical, one runs an eight yard dig.

Auburn fans were just about the nicest I’ve run into, although most of my time was around the alumni and families, and not the drunken frat guys in dress-shirts and orange pants.

Maybe it was just part of being way up in the top corner of the upper-deck, but I wasn’t impressed with the atmosphere. Didn’t hear much from the AU fans for the first three quarters, and the constant barage of rock music and underarmor commercials made me feel like I was at an NFL game.

BTW, who the hell is incharge of traffic post-game? It took over an hour to get off of campus, another 30 minutes to get to the freeway.

re: #38

 "Except for the 8-year old girl with AU all over her face who came up to my friend after the game and said "It’s great, to be, a Gator hater!" while doing the chomp three inches from his face. She can go to hell. "

 In all fairness, if you’ve ever said, “IT’S GREAT….TO BE…A FLORIDA GATOR!!” after a win, you have no room to talk. If you’re going to taunt after wins, expect to be taunted after losses.

 Of course, I’ve never understood the need for taunting. Everyone knows what the scoreboard says; what you say after the game doesn’t change anything.

Wow….. two weeks ago i was hearing this same stuff in the first qtr of the that game. Then Leak made the 45 yrd run and he became great again. And stayed that way for 2 weeks. It is good to have the Universe back in order. All Gators questioning something.
You guys always loose at least one get used to it.
I am.

RE: 40,45 – Reason #1,754 why Erin Andrews is amazing-she was there to watch the Gators on her day off.

1. there is a big difference between cheering (i.e., using your own team’s cheers after a win) and taunting (i.e., changing said cheers to insult the other team)- by your standard, no one would ever be able to celebrate a win, but would just have to walk to their cars without saying anything to anyone. And as Don V said, there really aren’t any Gators saying that the incomplete pass/fumble cost us the game- it’s more like we lost the game on our own but don’t try to feed us a bunch of bullshit when the rest of the country is saying it was the wrong call.

about chris never winning a game. umm, tennessee this year? UK his freshman year? ARK his freshman year? LSU his freshman year? UGA his freshman year? UGA last year? bowl game last year? alabama this year?

sure, he stunk for a large portion of this past game. but the reason that he was in a position to fumble that far down the field was because of a great pass to dallas baker, and the best option pitch he’s ever done. did you see the hit he took right after pitching to caldwell?

chris has played great in the past, and will play great in the future. a lot of you people need to quit the reactionary bullshit and realize that shit happens. UF should have won that game. if Urbs hadn’t quit what had worked in the first half, and just kept running the ball down auburn’s throat, the outcome could have been much different.

two weeks off. let’s see what happens next.

Sorry for the smart-ass comment about Erin Andrews. I believe she earns Female SEC Alum of the Decade for showing up on the Plains when she was off.

Tough one for you Gator fans.
Though, without a dog in the fight, I thought it was one hell of an entertaining game.

FYI – After Florida dismantles UGA, the Cocks will control their own destiny in the East. Not predicting anything here…. just saying.

The odd thing about the BCS, with AU being at #4, it is entirely possible for AU to get to the MNC game without playing in the conference championship game. Losing the conference championship gets you booted now (as the BCS rankings are done after CCG games), but not playing in the game does not eliminate you from the BCS.

Welcome to the wonderful, wacky world of computer rankings.

I don’t think that will happen, FWIW. It would require AU winning out, Ark losing just 1 SEC game and making the SECCG, and then it would require a 1 loss UF/UT to lose the SECCG vs Arky, thus making AU the only 1 loss team in the SEC.

It’s still absurd to me that it is a possiblility.

While every other conference is busy making sure they keep their unbeaten teams unbeaten, the SEC is doing their best not to have Florida vs. Arkansas in the SECC, or are making sure that there is a Florida-Auburn rematch in Atlanta.

How the hell was Leak so highly regarded coming out of highschool, he’s 5’11 and has a 2 second wind-up release…college football recruiting—-bullshit groupthink taken to an extreme

Maybe instead of ripping on Chris Leak, you should aim a little higher up the food chain — at the coach who insists on pidgeon-holing him into an offense that he can’t run. If Meyer is determined to make his option game work, he should just put Tebow in. It’s been obvious for 2 years now that Leak isn’t an option quarterback. They say insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. Urban Meyer has repeatedly tried to make Chris Leak run the option over and over again.

Uh, Billy, I think that the plays that people are complaining about were not run out of the option. In fact, I think they were run out of the pocket as Chris was attempting to pass. Thanks for your opinion though.

I’m sorry, that was a bit snarky of me, I’m still a bit on edge after that debacle. However, I stick by my original point that Urban is not forcing a spread option down Chris’ throat and that the mistakes he made this game were in no way due to playcalling, just like one of the best punters in America dropping a snap is not linked to Urban’s calling for a punt on 4th down.

My question is this – Urban said he needs 12 WRs to make his offense work. 12?!!? That leaves 72 schollys for both lines, the entire defense, and QB/RB.

One thing is for sure, the NFL will never come calling. 12 WRs on an NFL team = 42 other players for the remaining team.

2 thoughts:

1) It doesn’t what I think about the fumble call, it was a hard call to make, the fact is that we never should have been throwing the ball on 3rd and 2 on their five when we were only down by one. Give it to Wynn of Tebow, try to get the 1st, and if not, then kick the fieldgoal… as much as it hurts me to say it, that’s just bad coaching, that’s why we lost this game.
2) Did anyone else notice that right before Leak threw the pick CBS was running a montage of old UF-Aub games and it ended with a shot of Zook, there is no way that is a coincidence, he is haunting us from beyon the grave! (grave=Illinios football program).

Auburn has 14 WRs on the roster (plus 8 RBs and 4 TEs).

It’s not just about the Auburn game. Leak has never looked comfortable in this offense against any defense that can apply pressure. Even against LSU he merely avoided totally crapping the bed. Both of the Gator’s touchdowns were generated by Tebow. Meyer should either adjust to Leak or play Tebow. Leak deserves better.

re: #59

I’m pretty sure there’s now a requirement to win your conference championship for entry in to the MNC game.

Does anyone not hate Tommy Tuberville? Did you see the post game interview with his immaculate hair.. what a weasel.

complain all you want but leak gives us the best chance to win right now. maybe he is the second coming of doug johnson, but he is our best qb so we just have to deal with it.

Chris Leak, the Alex Rodriguez of college football. Glad the Great Pumpkin pi$$ed him off and he landed in Gainesville…even with the QB carousel at UT the past 3 years.

i think tolbert put it best. leak isn’t an elite QB, but he is a very good one, and the best one we have. he needs help from the Oline, and wise coaching decisions. both were spotty in the auburn game.

there are probably seven more games this year, so we’ll see what happens next.

italiangator, the difference is that AU doesn’t have 12 WRs that can see the field. Considering about 1/2 of all schollys are effective busts, to have 12 WRs that can play in the SEC will require an inordinant amount of luck recruiting or an extremely large percentage of schollys devoted to one position in order to get the 12 guys that can actually see the field.

AU may have 14 WRs on scholly, but only 1 is top notch, 2 more are average SEC WRs, and another 1-2 are servicable. UF probably has 4-5 SEC WRs, but I have no idea how many they have on their roster. Basically, you’d have to double the number of WR schollys just to get to 12 decent WRs that you could play on the field.

“I’m pretty sure there’s now a requirement to win your conference championship for entry in to the MNC game”

I see nothing at http://www.bcsfootball.org/bcsfb/eligibility
other than “1. The top two teams in the final BCS Standings shall play in the National Championship Game. PERIOD”. The other bowl games require the conference win.

If the BCS computer places Auburn at #2 it doesn’t really matter whether Florida beat Arkansas or Arkansas beat Florida.

If U$C, WVU, Louisville, Rutger are all 1 loss, does Auburn need one or two Arkansas losses? If they need the BCS a Florida rematch could help, but if they don’t the bye would be great.

#59, the new rule (after OU lost the Championship game) is that the BCS calculations are made AFTER the championship games, not before. There is still no requirement that you win your conference to be a MNC.

Welcome to the absurdity that is the BCS.

Unfortunately, for yours truly, I do believe that your boy Leak will be heismanesque (even if not by his own talent) against us in 2 weeks. We couldn’t cover my grandmother right now. And we should probably forget scoring at this point, unless our D can force a fumble and run it in.

Please post the source for your quote from Auburn’s James Willis. It appears to be another error by the writer (like the quote attributed to Urban Meyer instead of a reporter’s question to Myer).

If its not error, then its a fabrication.

So where did you get the quote from?

From Auburn’s postgame radio broadcast. See article for correction.

You have to be the dumbest a whole I have ever heard.

Chris Leak is the best QB to ever come through the

State of Florida.

Sign Dman

Yeah, I am almost scared to say it, because I am also included in the majority population….

These Guys are Racist. TBow is and will be good at UF but if you think he could have this team at least .500 you are crazy.

I understand with the records and all on the line, and all or the currently held by white QB’s the thought of CLeak a Black QB breaking them is terrifying.

I wuold not be suprised if some big time buster has paid the AD or the head coach off to make sure this never happens.

I would hate to say this as a gator fan, But I see a new side, to our fans and it is not good, but I hope The University of Florida is cursed for the next 4 years Tbow is calling the shots. Nothing against the kid but you guys will deserve it…….

Florida will play for the National Championship… mark my word and this not down.. because if not I will eat
S@#T