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ICE WEASELS: CHECK.

Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra and then suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come.

--Matt Groening

The Ice Weasels came for Florida, and they were merciless. Auburn 27, Florida 17.

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I really hope that USC is ranked #2 ahead of Michigan, I don’t want UM to be in the jinxed spot.

by Aaron on Oct 15, 2006 1:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Ice weasels subsist exclusively on botched replays and Chris Leak’s dreamy blue eyes. I recently adopted an abandoned ice weasel and named him Shug. Tonight, Shug eats well.

by Dinknflicka on Oct 15, 2006 1:33 AM EDT reply actions  

I am a USC homer, although I will gladly let them be ranked behind West Virginia and Michigan, in that order (Michigan is better than West Virginia, but I’d rather see WVU be cursed)

by David on Oct 15, 2006 1:52 AM EDT reply actions  

good idea, I forgot about how much I’d love to see WVU exposed as the frauds they are.

by Aaron on Oct 15, 2006 1:55 AM EDT reply actions  

As a USC fan, I agree with David. I am hoping that WVa gets put in that cursed number two spot so they can be exposed this upcoming week. I also put us behind Michigan after today’s horrible showing.

My team is DRIVING ME CRAZY these last three weeks. And we haven’t even lost yet. I don’t know what I’ll do if we actually lose………

by Jeff from LA on Oct 15, 2006 2:24 AM EDT reply actions  

Tough loss, Swindle (Orson, not Cuddles). Not only did you hold their O to 12 points on 4FGs, but you really got fucked on that call. It wasn’t even a Tom Brady in the snow thing where it was kind of nebulous and you could rationalize it either way; it was pretty damn clear cut that dude’s arm was moving forward.

Perhaps it was the SEC Inept Officiating Karma (sponsored by Golden Flake) coming back and biting y’all in the ass for your win against Vandy last year. And I’m guessing that you would trade a flukey loss on the road to the #11 team in the nation for the home win against Vandy last year rather than vicey-versey.

So take comfort in that at least. It could be worse, you could have been us and lost at home. To fucking Vandy (without Jay Cutler I might add).

You can also take comfort in the fact that {NAME REDACTED} lost to 4-3 Ohio. Not Ohio State. Ohio. At home.

You will probably hang 50 on us at The Cocktail Party as well. Fuckers.

by Kanu on Oct 15, 2006 2:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Kanu,

It wasn’t really close, it was a fumble. First, Leak never let go, and secondly, the ball was knocked out of his hand by that great freshman linebacker.

 Florida is better team who just happened to make mistakes at the wrong times, which happens in the SEC, I guess. But don’t blame it on the officials because they made the right call for sure

by Graham on Oct 15, 2006 2:38 AM EDT reply actions  

Somebody needs to take Wilbur and Hetland to the glue factory. How’s about we ditch the shitty punt formation and actually start blocking people. What an annoying way to lose.

by mike f on Oct 15, 2006 2:49 AM EDT reply actions  

Buck up fellas. I don’t want to jinx us but the rest of our schedule is pretty much smooth sailing, and if we get a rematch with Auburn in the SEC championship game I doubt Wilbur with botch another snap like that. It’s disappointing that that one screw-up cost us the game, but them’s the breaks.

by Mitch on Oct 15, 2006 4:19 AM EDT reply actions  

if you wanna talk about jinxes, deep down you knew you were screwed when corso put on that gator head and started doing the chop — what an ass-clown

by loticicio on Oct 15, 2006 4:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Auburn needs Arkansas to lose twice and they need to win the rest of the SEC slate, but they just might do that, considering the Razorbacks play Tennessee and LSU later this year.

Arkansas in the SEC Championship game, never thought it was possible that I might see the day.

by drewshorns on Oct 15, 2006 4:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Kanu, thank you for bring up the {NAME REDACTED} loss, tho bitter sweet after the singing loss tonight it brings my drunk self peace of mind that at least {NAME REDACTED} isn’t still the coach… and Orson, put me down for a EDSBS flaming couch shirt cuz after tonight i have to say i did set fire to my house…

by Iowa on Oct 15, 2006 5:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Orson,

 You can take solace in what I told a texas fan friend of mine after texas lost to Ohio State: “When you’re a good enough program that you expect 11-12 wins every season, when you suffer a loss, it’s like being bitten by a rabid meerkat, painful with a horrible aftermath that lingers for days. But at least you are good enough to where you can have those expectations to be great. It is much, much worse to be a fan of a perennial 7-5 team, and know losses are coming, and they come so often, you’re numb to the pain.”

by Beergut on Oct 15, 2006 5:48 AM EDT reply actions  

I’ve seen the replays probably 20 times now, and Chris Leak fumbled. He STOPPED, of his own volition, the throwing – or whatever the hell that was – motion, and lost the handle on the ball as he was engulfed by Auburn’s D. Regardless of rule “interpretations” – including the fucked-in-the-head Brady vs. Raiders non-fumble call – and frame-by-frame dissections, what happened on that play was that Leak fucked up; it’s just that simple. And then he fucked up AGAIN, and then AGAIN (the last one was kind of meaningless, but it did at least have the bonus value of immolating Leak’s Heisman hopes, a la Brady Quinn’s Three-Stooges-style fuckup that Woodley returned for a TD). I was playing poker with some friends during the game and one of them mentioned after Auburn missed the FG that it was not unfeasible that the Gators might drive for a winning FG, and I said something like, “Yeah, but Leak will just flake the fuck out sometimes.” I feel for the Gators, really, but it should have been obvious that Orson’s misgivings about the offense were well-merited.

All UF’s arguments for title game or #1 consideration were based on their strength of schedule – as opposed to any evidence offered in six games that the Gators EVER looked like that sort of team – which bring me to my next gripe: everybody blames the SEC for being too tough for any team from there to win the MNC – but none of the SEC’s contenders has looked ANYTHING like a MNC-caliber team (other than Tennessee, in fits and starts). One of y’all needs to stop whining about the gauntlet and just effing win all your games. People manage to do it every year. You want to be a champion, you start playing like one.

by matsut on Oct 15, 2006 6:03 AM EDT reply actions  

Damn, I hated to see Florida drop that game. BUT. 1 less unbeaten in front of my horns.

by bitterhorn on Oct 15, 2006 6:56 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, one less unbeaten is great, but Baylor just hung 30 points on us, I’m not impressed with the defense (especially the secondary) yet. Hell, we could have lost if not for the 5 turnovers that were forced.

I just hope it’s an aberration, but I don’t think Texas is the best one-loss team out there at this point.

by drewshorns on Oct 15, 2006 7:47 AM EDT reply actions  

Cheer up, Gators.

You have your typical week off before the WLOCP and then you get to kick the everliving shit ouf of us (UGA). Something to look forward to.

Also, the reply offical in the booth? Mr. Al Ford, architect of the worst call in the history of CFB – Jasper Sanks’ “fumble” on the one yard line in the UGA / Tech game in 1999.

by Darkknight on Oct 15, 2006 8:07 AM EDT reply actions  

“I’m not impressed with the defense (especially the secondary) …”

Me neither. That soft zone just drives me crazy, and we have the wheels to man-up and drop the safeties. grrr

Maybe a slight case of OU hangover, also.

by bitterhorn on Oct 15, 2006 8:27 AM EDT reply actions  

If Leak’s arm was moving forward, how come the ball went flying out backwards and sideways?

by hazer on Oct 15, 2006 8:59 AM EDT reply actions  

27-17. War Eagle Bitches.

by NewAZTiger on Oct 15, 2006 9:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Thank you, Auburn, SEC officiating crew (when knew you guys would suck at nut cuttin’ time), and Florida’s special teams. Without you guys, Texas’ shot at the MNC would not be clear.

Also, a big shout out to my peeps in Nashvile. Your win between the hedges put a big ol’ question mark on Tennessee’s win a week ago. Georgia is not a top 15 program despite what Sonny Perdue may think. The dawgs are a top 25 team, but not a top 15.

And Tennessee is as overrated as Shawn Combs. Best one loss team in the country? Uh-uh. Debate: Best one loss team? Texas or Florida? Now, that would be a great game.

Hook ’Em Horns

by milevin on Oct 15, 2006 9:11 AM EDT reply actions  

27-10 Hogs, NewAZTigerbitches!

by Will on Oct 15, 2006 9:13 AM EDT reply actions  

Things could be alot worse. You could be a Va Tech fan!!

by Nupe in Va on Oct 15, 2006 9:34 AM EDT reply actions  

drewshorns (#11) If you never though you would see the day that Arkansas got in the SEC championship game, you must be very young. UF beat Arkansas 45-3 in 1995. In UF’s four straight Championships, that was the only one over a team other than BAMA.

Arkansas also lost 30-3 to UGA in 2002 as the number two team in the West.

by Barefeetbob on Oct 15, 2006 9:35 AM EDT reply actions  

I just tuned into the multi-dimensional cable (costs extra but it’s worth it!!) and watched the Fla-AU game. This time the Leak fumble was ruled a forward pass. They go on to score!! Unfortunately, instead of running 3 predictable plays up the middle, Auburn scores with a pass to Courtney Taylor in the 4th Qtr. Final score: 25-24.

Sorry Gator fans, but the gods will make humble whom first they make proud.

by TubbyTater on Oct 15, 2006 10:01 AM EDT reply actions  

Andre Caldwell had to perform the Heimlich on Leak. Good news – Leak coughed up the ball….AGAIN!

by NewAZTiger on Oct 15, 2006 10:23 AM EDT reply actions  

Guys, after Auburn slipped by LSU, via the refs & some stupidity, and then we got steamrolled in the Swamp, again thru a lot of our own stupidity, I can truly quote this statement with all sincerity:

“I feel your pain”.

by Southern Papa on Oct 15, 2006 10:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Florida fans can take solace in the fact that they neither live in, nor root for, Oklahoma.

And my fellow Horn fans may note that two starting DBs didn’t even dress for yesterday’s game.

by KongHorn on Oct 15, 2006 10:38 AM EDT reply actions  

matsut,

No creative interpretation of the rule is necessary: Leak’s arm was going forward and the ball came (without being touched by Blackmon). That is an incomplete pass.

Oh, what am I saying? Everyone knows the “player fucked up” is the lone exception to the above rule.

The reason the call was not overturned is simple: Al Ford was the replay official, a well known AU homer from North Alabama. Ridiculous.

by MSR on Oct 15, 2006 10:58 AM EDT reply actions  

The worst part about that game was the fact that the overrated, underperforming Chris Leak fumbled the ball on that stupid lateral giving the Tigers another 6 points and pushing the total over 40. That under was a freaking lock!!!!!

by Troy Smith's Booster on Oct 15, 2006 11:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Well, at least you didn’t lost to Vandy. Damn those infernal robber barrons!!! I’m really glad UF gets an off week to think about this loss before the mighty squad from Athens comes a calllin. Might as well pre-emptively drink away my sorrows for that one.

by Parker on Oct 15, 2006 11:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Game aside, wasn’t that Auburn “War Eagle” commerical the worst? I don’t know what they were trying to achieve. “Based on a true story”? Like other schools don’t have alums buddy up to each other?

Oh, and Orson, Go “write a killer college football blog”.

by E-man on Oct 15, 2006 11:38 AM EDT reply actions  

That commercial was intended to prove that AU actually has one black, non-athlete alumnus. One of the least diverse public universities in the country. Hard to understand considering the lengths to which the fraternities go to make minorities feel welcomed.

by MSR on Oct 15, 2006 12:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Orson,

When you find the time, please post something inegenious about the heinousness that calls itself da U.

Saturday’s display should result in arrests, although the way the law operates south of the Mason Dixon has always been suspect in this yankee’s mind.

Anyways, I look forward to your perspective.

by atepesm on Oct 15, 2006 12:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Two things regarding the so-called Leak fumble:

(1) I think Florida fans would be particularly upset that they had to use their final timeout to review a very questionable play when, in every other game this season, they are reviewing every play that has any bit of uncertainty to it.

(2) I may be remembering wrong, but wasn’t the argument for overturning Glennon’s fumble in the VT-BC game (didn’t end up mattering, he threw an interception 2 plays later) that the bicep area of the arm was going forward, even though his hand part wasn’t? I’m not explaining it very well, but the point is that it’s as though they overturned that play because he was clearly intending to pass, even if the hand holding the ball wasn’t moving forward.

Assuming that’s the correct interpretation, I’m not sure how you can argue that Leak’s pass wasn’t an incompletion as opposed to a fumble.

Keep in mind that if the pass had been ruled an incompletion it would have been 4th down, and UF would have had a FG attempt from 23 yds to go up 20-18 with 10 minutes left—so it’s entirely possible that Auburn would have won anyway.

by Solon on Oct 15, 2006 12:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Eh, I can “live” with the fumble. What I can’t live with, but have come to expect, was the INT thrown with 3:10 left. Horrible, horrible pass in a big time situation, and there was no question about it.

by BDoc on Oct 15, 2006 12:22 PM EDT reply actions  

It’s ridiculous to say that a replay official intentionally made a bad call because he is “a known AU homer,” and it makes Florida fans sound like sore-losing idiots.

Blackmon knocked the ball out of Leak’s hand. While I’m sure some of you were between Leak and Blackmon on the play and could perfectly see the play, on the video that the rest of the world saw there was no clear evidence that the ball was not touched by Blackmon. If you can produce video that clearly demonstrates otherwise, we would all be glad to see it.

by Charles on Oct 15, 2006 12:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Charles,

I’m no UF fan—far from it. Just calling a spade a spade.

And, no, Blackmon most certainly did not “knock the ball out of Leak’s hand.” I don’t know what game you were watching, but the replay clearly shows the ball came out of Leak’s hand before it ever made contact with Blackmon. Todd Blackledge saw it pretty clearly, as did every other halfway objective observer.

You can say AU would’ve won anyway—they very well may have—but don’t delude yourself into believing that Blackmon knocked the ball out of Leak’s hand.

In any event, it wouldn’t matter if Blackmon did knock the ball out—the rule is quite clear. Once the arm begins moving forward, the pass attempt begins. If Blackmon knocked it out as the arm was moving forward, that’s an incomplete pass.

by MSR on Oct 15, 2006 12:46 PM EDT reply actions  

MSR, to paraphrase Otter, “you can’t hold a whole fraternity (system) responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals.”

Chris Leak’s arm was going forward, yes, but he wasn’t throwing it. The movement was akin to the way a gay guy flails his arms when he is nervous (not that there’s anything wrong with that). That was why the play was ruled a fumble. Quit your fucking whining, there is no conspiracy- you too, Kanu, but I can understand your frustration, being beat by Vandy at home and all.

Besides, even if it wasn’t a fumble, it would at least have been intentional grounding, and we would have gotten the ball back quickly- a FG would not have won the game.

by MiseanAUFan on Oct 15, 2006 12:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Remember: there is no “Tuck Rule” in college football, meaning that even if Leak’s arm was technically coming forward, unless he was intending to pass the ball when it came out, it’s a fumble. Me personally, I thought Leak was trying to keep control of the ball rather than pass, and in any case you can hardly blame the replay official for not seeing “indisputable evidence” that Leak meant to pass the ball, rather than simply having it slip out of his hands. The replay official could be Shug Jordan’s college roommate and it’d still be the right call.

by Jerry Hinnen on Oct 15, 2006 12:54 PM EDT reply actions  

I don’t think there’s any sort of conspiracy, other than that home teams will generally get the 50/50 calls in CFB, especially in the SEC when playing a night game.

I’m just confused about the juxtaposition of the BC/VT call and the Leak call. Certainly, Leak wasn’t intending to pass, but I’m not sure it matters—if the arm is moving forward, I think it’s supposed to be called incomplete regardless.

The tuck rule—obviously, not applicable in CFB—doesn’t really apply, because Leak lost the ball while his arm was moving forward, not while he was trying to pull it back toward his body.

And, Kanu, you can at least take solace in the fact that UGA has never let GT ruin their season and send it into a tailspin, bringing shame and humliation on the conference they’ve called their home for 73 seasons.

by Solon on Oct 15, 2006 1:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Misean,

You’re a fucking clown. Tate Casey (I believe it was) was about 3 feet from Leak, so it would not have been intentional grounding. All this crap about Leak’s subjective intent is irrelevant—the rule is quite clear, and it was not applied as written.

by MSR on Oct 15, 2006 1:14 PM EDT reply actions  

OK Gators when you do the chomp grab some tapr and wrap it around your hands and you are as harmless as super Leak. UF is soft and UGA,ARK.AUB and LSU are for better. It is sweet inGainesville when they get it handed to them, Hey they will make the top 15 the BCS was and is a joke Florida. Thank You Auburn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Joey on Oct 15, 2006 1:21 PM EDT reply actions  

#7
Graham, the ball was out before Blackmon got to Leak. I watched in HD and watched it in slow-mo on my TiVo probably 10 times. His arm was fully extended, he flicked his wrist, and the ball came out. Shitty, shitty fucking call, but Leak should have thrown it through the uprights or taken the sack. Leak’s a great kid, but that play was on him. It shouldn’t have been left up to the officials. You’re never going to get that call on the road in the SEC.

by Burnigator on Oct 15, 2006 1:32 PM EDT reply actions  

MSR, you’re really missing the point, but calling me names?

Even if it wasn’t intentional the FG would not have won the game.

And actually, accoding to the rulebook, it IS intenional grounding:

“Any time during the game, quarterback A10, who is not outside theframe of the body of normal tackle position toward a sideline and is attempting to save yardage, intentionally throws a desperation
forward pass that falls incomplete where no eligible Team A player has a reasonable opportunity to catch it.”

The player MAY have been close but he DID NOT have a " reasonable opportunity to catch it."

Accoring to rulebook, it was a pass, though, so I stand corrected there- that he clearly wasn’t TRYING to pass the ball doesn’t matter:

“When a Team A player is holding the ball to pass it forward toward the neutral zone, any intentional forward movement of his arm starts the forward pass.”

by MiseanAUFan on Oct 15, 2006 1:41 PM EDT reply actions  

As a USC fan whose interests were furthered by Florida losing, I think they got screwed on the fumble call.

As far as USC being the “cursed” #2 in the AP, I’m not sure they are even #2 in the Pac 10 right now. But the zombie’s head still didn’t roll and they have a bye week to get the recievers healthy and to keep working with the replacement fullbacks.

by oc phil on Oct 15, 2006 1:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks to the wonder of youtube, the play in question.

I didn’t think there was indisputable evidence last night at the sportsbar, but it looks like a forward pass. I can’t see Blackmon knocking it free, and Leak’s arm seems to be going forward.

Based on Florida’s inept kicking game (1 of 5), the FG was not a sure thing, particularly if the pass had been ruled intentional grounding. My worthless speculation is the kicker and/or Leak would have still found a way to wet the bed.

by Chg on Oct 15, 2006 2:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Glad you said it, OC Phil, because you saved me the typing.

by DC Trojan on Oct 15, 2006 2:00 PM EDT reply actions  

This just in:

If you had the over in Bama-Ole Miss, you won!

That, my friends, is the biggest underground story of the day.

by Newspaper Hack on Oct 15, 2006 2:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Well, I would say we got fucked and we’ll get payback in Atlanta, but seeing as how the tigers might not make it their (or at least are in no position top dictate their destiny) I can’t convincingly argue that. All I know is it now looks like all but a given that a Big Ten team will play a Big East team for a national title, thus making any and all agrument towards strenght of schedule, meaningless and void ( I mean fuck why play a hard schedulle when you could just play one hard team in the whole season ala WVU/Louisville, or hell USC in 2004). To the Texas fans cheering themselves as the top one loss team: do you honestly believe that if Florida and Auburn meet again in Atlanta, that the winner (especially if its Florida, not sure Auburn would get as much credit for winning again) wouldn’t jump the Horns? (the one chane Texas had of this not happening was MU running the table thus setting up a big clash in KC, but that is no longer the case).

by Socraticsilence on Oct 15, 2006 2:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Love is a perky elf dancing a merry little jig, then suddenly he turns on you with a miniature machine gun.

by j.j. on Oct 15, 2006 3:33 PM EDT reply actions  

I think the fact that it was ruled a fumble on the field was the most important thing. If it had beem ruled incomplete, I don’t think it would have been overruled on replay. I mean, there isn’t conclusive proof to get a consensus here.

by jaybuzz on Oct 15, 2006 4:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Misean,

You and I both know that officials apply the “reasonable opportunity to catch it” provision extremely liberally. That is, if there is a receiver in the area, this standard is met. It absolutely would not have been ruled intentional grounding had the call been overturned. But keep telling yourself that, along with that AU won the NC in ’04 and that you guys have won a few co-SEC West championships, despite another West team playing in Atlanta. Delusional.

by MSR on Oct 15, 2006 4:43 PM EDT reply actions  

MSR, you are still missing the point. No matter what the call was (or wasn’t), it had no bearing on who won the game- the score would have been 27-20 if they had kicked the FG. You are making a mountain out of a molehill, and your sophmoric insults maifest your maturity level, Mr. Monogram.

by MiseanAUFan on Oct 15, 2006 5:16 PM EDT reply actions  

It had no bearing on who won the game? Now that’s the logic of a South Alabama simpleton if I’ve ever heard it.

It’s sad that I have to explain this to you, but what transpired AFTER the botched call is immaterial, as we have no way of knowing what would’ve taken place had the call not been blown.

I have never said that UF would’ve won the game, minus the poor call. Rather, I’ve simply stated what is undeniable to any reasonably objective observer: UF got hosed on that particular play, and that play was rather critical. Hell, the only thing you’ve offered in an attempt to challenge that assertion is a misinterpretation of the intentional grounding rule. Strong work.

by MSR on Oct 15, 2006 5:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Will all of you scuzzy bitches please stop whining.

Florida got dominated in the 2nd Half by a team that came out and played with twice as much intensity. It was one borderline bad call. Stop making excuses, you sound like a bunch gelled out metrosex…oh wait.

Michigan, Ohio St, and USC would all dominate you.

by PeteyPablo on Oct 15, 2006 6:03 PM EDT reply actions  

The only difference would have been Florida getting a FG. Our offense was moving well (at least in terms of getting into FG range), and we still would have kicked a FG to win it

Once I read the rulebook, I realized that it wasn’t a fumble- I recognize that it’s a bad call, but Leak gave us the game, even without that bad call. Chris Leak lost that game for Florida, not the officiating.

by MiseanAUFan on Oct 15, 2006 6:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Misean,

Yup, Leak did lose the game, but the botched call put him in the position to lose the game. Without that call, Leak could have played in his element, playing not to lose.

It’s all “ifs” and “buts.” AU is a hell of a team, just a bit frustrated that it went down like that where the concept is that you will get the call “right” after a replay.

by JGator on Oct 15, 2006 6:42 PM EDT reply actions  

JGator, I understand your frustration. It’s also frustrating that every time your team wins a big game,
it gets accused of cheating. We have been on the good end of a few bad calls this year, and at critical times, but baseless, unfounded accusations of cheating is what sore losers do. The thing is, the people who are doing it here aren’t even Florida fans.

by MiseanAUFan on Oct 15, 2006 7:57 PM EDT reply actions  

MSR, the SEC has awarded AU the SECW championship 4 out of the last 5 years. They sent the trophy. Tiebreakers are just that – to break the tie. The SECE and SECW and SECCG are won on the field, quite different than say, male ice dancing and the MNC in college football.

Now, would you like cheese with that Whine, because I just watched the game again, and the score still stands 27-17?

And, for the record, I have never ever ever seen a senior Heisman candidate QB turn the ball over 3 times in under 10 minutes in the final quarter of a game.

I heard that when Leak had his sports physical, when they asked him to turn his head and cough, a football hit the ground.

by NewAZTiger on Oct 15, 2006 8:33 PM EDT reply actions  

I know that all I ask is that it’s acknowledged as a bad call. We got beat – who knows if we could’ve made the kick. There’s no use projecting what would’ve happened if the call was reversed. It’s typical home cooking in the SEC; we’ve benefited from it before- it’s a fact of life. You have to overcome it.

Misean, I think you know that just adding 3 to the final score is worthless as that last TD you got wouldn’t have happened. Congrats on the win; don’t want to take anything away from Auburn.

One that burns me is the unnecessary roughness penalty when we had stopped Auburn on third down, IIRC. The flag was thrown for hitting the QB when the run went the other way – here’s the kicker. It was a pitch the other way and Cox pulled his arms in faking the run. Is he not allowed to be hit if he’s faking the run? I don’t think Auburn scored on the drive, so it didn’t matter, but I found the call silly.

by Don V on Oct 15, 2006 10:13 PM EDT reply actions  

NewAzBunghole- The team that goes to Atlanta won the west. A tractor ride was held for the Eufaula Tribune National Champs. Does that make it legit? Didn’t think so. Now, be a good little ’tard and go polish all of those second place trophies.

by Don'tFeedPhil on Oct 15, 2006 11:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Why are we talking about Leak so much? He screwed up, but Wilbur’s botched punt was the game changer; it led to the go-ahead TD for Auburn.

In my (slighly biased towards UF) opinion, UF was the better team for 95% of the game. We had three or four shitty plays happen that cost us the game. Take away our holding-for-a-safety, Wilbur’s fumbled snap, and Leak’s butterfingers on the last, doomed-from-the-start play, and you’ve just taken 15 Auburn points off of the scoreboard. I hope we do play the Tigers again in Atlanta, because on a neutral field I think we would be the clearly better team.

Also, something that I’m curious about – if Auburn has that “war eagle” tradition, why don’t they change their mascot to a war eagle? The “Auburn War Eagles” is a more interesting mascot than a tiger, especially since there’s another tiger-branded team in the SEC.

by Mitch P. on Oct 16, 2006 12:24 AM EDT reply actions  

JJ (#55): Have you been reading Murakami Haruki short stories?

by Nate on Oct 16, 2006 2:47 AM EDT reply actions  

Two things:
On Moss’s hit on Cox on the toss, from the stands I didn’t really see the play but when I watched the replay, it seems that it was obvious that Cox had tossed the football. The announcers made it seem like it was pretty cut and dry.
From the Gainesville picture, it looks like a fumble but the replay official doesn’t have access to that. Blackledge and Patrick made good points that you couldn’t indisputably determine whether Tray knocked the ball out. It came out of Leak’s hand at a funny angle as if it had been touched.

I wonder why, if Leak thought it was a pass, didn’t he complain about the call or say anything to the ref? Leak just calmly walked off the field and it didn’t seem to matter to him what happened with the replay.

by AUAlum on Oct 16, 2006 9:23 AM EDT reply actions  

#62, take your issue up with the SEC. That’s the rule, and they award the trophy.

by NewAZTiger on Oct 16, 2006 9:43 AM EDT reply actions  

#67, I think you mean #61 (confused yet? I am).

#66, only a non-Gator can ask how Leak could not seem to care what happened. We’ve seen 3 and a half years of that.

by Don V on Oct 16, 2006 10:02 AM EDT reply actions  

Why am I not surprised at the quote from Coach Urban Meyer in regards to Chris Leak. Maybe Coach Meyer should do a better job of knowing what he can & cannot do. Don’t put the kid in a situation that he won"t be successful in. And his criticism should be reserved & private. Not surprised at all by his remarks.

by Jim masterson on Oct 16, 2006 10:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Well said Kanu. If Swindle et al want to see a quarterback lose a game for you, just wait till the Cocktail Party.

by Ohiodawg on Oct 16, 2006 10:12 AM EDT reply actions  

Don V, you may be right. Kinda pointless to argue anyway.

Couple of thoughts:

How in the hell is Auburn #4 in the BCS? That’s BS, but I guess I’ll take it.

If Tebow was the starter, would Florida be as good as they are? No.

by Cardiac Kids on Oct 16, 2006 10:21 AM EDT reply actions  

Florida was clearly dominant in the first half, yet led by ONLY 6 points at halftime, 17-11. In my opinion, this was a HUGE psychological victory for Auburn, to be within striking distance after being significantly outplayed.

In the second half, Auburn played with more intensity and passion, and they just waited for opportunity to come knocking. Way too much is being made of the questionable fumble. Auburn wanted it more, they made plays when it mattered, Florida did not.

by Kenny on Oct 16, 2006 10:30 AM EDT reply actions  

Actually, I meant 63. I’m putting in my application for SEC video review ref immediately.

by NewAZTiger on Oct 16, 2006 10:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Why not, AZ, you couldn’t be any more moronic or biased than the ones they have now.

A big SEC tilt at Darwin’s waitng room on the plains, with a game-changing, controversial (and incorrect) call that hands the game to the home team. Hmmm. Sounds familiar…Someone get Les Miles on the phone, and get this damn gator head off me…

LC

by Lee Corso on Oct 16, 2006 2:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Lee Corso, don’t worry about instant replay too much. That 62-0 Romp isn’t going away any time soon.

UF has had their share of home-cooking. Can anyone say Vandy last year.

Besides, that play didn’t lose the game. UF not putting 1 point on the board in the second half lost the game. If you have to blame the refs, you didn’t deserve to win.

by NewAZTiger on Oct 16, 2006 2:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Outsider looking in here, but I can’t help but watch the play and question without screaming, “Get rid of the damn ball, kid!”

Instead of pump-faking the pass, Leak should go pump himself.

by Dennis on Oct 16, 2006 3:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Its pretty easy to say that someone didn’t deserve to win when all of the bad calls go your way, Barner.

by Don'tFeedPhil on Oct 16, 2006 6:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Nate: J.J. is quoting another line from Matt Groening’s cartoon book “Love Is Hell”, a compilation of his old comic strip “Life In Hell” from the pre-Simpsons years (other books include "Love Is Hell, “School Is Hell”, “Work Is Hell”, “Akbar and Jeff’s Guide to Life”, and “The Big Book of Hell”). All are recommended, if not required, reading.

Now, my ex got those books in the divorce, so I don’t have them handy for reference, but I believe J.J.‘s line (and Orson’s at the bottom of this post) are from a panel titled “What the great philosophers have said vis-a-vis love”. Can’t remember which thinker was alleged to have compared love to a merry-jig-dancing, gun-toting elf, but the much funnier one Orson chose is from Kierkegaard.

by matsut on Oct 16, 2006 10:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Kierkegaard always has the funniest lines.

by oc phil on Oct 17, 2006 3:15 AM EDT reply actions  

“It’s also frustrating that every time your team wins a big game,
it gets accused of cheating.” Well you should petition the SEC to not let Auburn Boosters, Auburn fans, and folks that send all their kids to Auburn to be replay officials… in your 2 most important games of the year. I can understand your frustration, as you have nothing to do with who the SEC puts in the booth, but the fact that Al Ford is well-known as a life-long Aubrun fan (at least up here where I live you would know that) does not help the frustrations on UF and LSU fans, regardless of whether he got the calls right or not. The replay system needs fixing.

by UNA on Oct 19, 2006 1:22 AM EDT reply actions  

To say that your team was dominant for 95% of the game despite the fact that they put up 80 yards of offense and ZERO points in the second half is laughable.

I didn’t realize you Florida fans were such whiners. Oh how I long for the days of Coach SOS when you guys had dignity.

I hope we see you guys in Atlanta, too, because I don’t think we’ll drive the ball down your throats for the entire first half and get nothing but field goals.

Sack up, lizards, and quit bitchin like a bunch of fat chicks.

by Bobby on Oct 19, 2006 11:28 AM EDT reply actions  

Keep it down home, cuz.

by Rogers Redding on Oct 19, 2006 8:37 PM EDT reply actions  

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