BUYS AND SELLS: WEEK FOUR

You must really dislike ND right now if you redacted [name also redacted], Orson.

While I agree the team is still in desperate need of Weis figuratively punching some palyers in the mouth, a W is a W, and considering EVERY FREAKING MSU GAME EVER involves some ridiculous come from behind victory…Ill take it.

My liver hurts.

The term you are looking for in relation to both Z____ and S____ is “damnatio memoriae”: a Latin term describing the destruction of all public evidence of the existence of a particularly bad emperor.

While I didn’t enjoy watching ND win, I very much enjoyed watching John L Smith come close to having a stroke after the whole personal foul business on ND’s sideline. Jesus H Christ he was worse than Henne’s old HS coach. He’s not going to live too long if he’s going to slip into psychoticism like that.

This last weekend wasn’t nearly as exciting as I would have hoped. ND should have lost, WVU was just plain horrible, and Michigan had no business letting Wisconsin stay in the game. If any one of those games would have gone the other way I would be happy…but nooooo the football gods stomped on my dreams.

“Thank god they fired David Cutcliffe before things really started going downhill…”

Come on now, Orson. I’d expect alittle bit more informed commentary from you. No Ole Miss fan in their right mind is wishing The Rebs had kept Cutcliffe.

Yeah, David Cutcliffe did so much for Ole Miss…His crap ass recruiting is why Ole Miss is in the shape it’s in right now. You can thank Tubervilles recruits and Eli Manning for an success Ole Miss had during Cutcliffe’s ill fated tenure. (I don’t want to hear, “well, he recruited Eli!” cause Eli fell in his freakin lap)

Cutcliffe didn’t give a rats ass about being a Head Coach and now he’s back doing what he should have been doing all along.

Is it just me, or does anyone else think that the way Tebow/Leak were used in this game should be reversed? I say Leak takes us down to about the 10, then we all just look at Tebow and say “Hey, Tim, we’ll give you a cookie to destroy a linebacker on your way to the endzone.” (and don’t get me wrong, I love Leak and see him as the only way to winning games, but still- Tebow’s love for hitting makes him a no-brainer down in the red zone)

Mike Shula should be on permanent sell. I couldn’t believe his playcalling during the first overtime. “OK, my kicker’s struggling, so lets run the ball three times to set him up for failure. I’ve got a fever and it can only be cured by Big 10 playcalling. Yeah baby.”

Erik: do you really believe for an instant that Ole Miss would be any worse off with Cutcliffe still there?

I whole-heartedly agree Eric. Ole Miss has played 20 freshmen already this season. The future looks bright.

For now, however, does anyone know any good psychologist not named Johnny Walker who can help me get through the third straight year of suckage by the Rebels.

I’d rather watch Hulk Hogan and Ric Flair host a knitting show than watch the Rebs play right now.

Question: Why is Chris Leak in many Heisman Talks around the country? Are we really that desperate for a Candidate?

Rule #138: If your Senior QB is splitting time with a true freshman (no matter how talented) then he is automatically black balled from Heisman contention.

Unrelated… Was looking for an old post from last year and found that EDSBS’ 52 reasons ESPN sucks’ has over 1100 posts. 1100! Damn.

O,

I’m still laughing at the DYING YOUNG ref.

NAME ALSO REDACATED is just, but he should be hanged by a tree. Being an ND fan I am glad that Mr. Smith shit the bed. But as a football fan I hate the guy even more now. Not for his lame interview about the flag plant last year, but for his total lack of coaching in the second half of that game.

A coach should be fired for such a loss.

But, as the Big Penis said: “That was a 14 million dollar victory” and I’ll take it.

I think over the short term (i.e. last season and this one), Ole Miss would probably be about 1 game better per season. Which is to say, still completely crappy but probably would have beaten State last year (and Kentucky this year). Realistically, though, Cutcliffe would have been fired after last year, and now we’d be talking about the dawn of the Mike DuBose era in Oxford.

Over the long term, though, I think Orgeron is going to pay dividends recruiting that Cutcliffe couldn’t even touch. Plus the entertainment value of the Orgeron is golden.

And I say this as someone who emphatically thought that Cutcliffe deserved another year, if only because of Khayat and Boone’s silly mind games they played toward the end (“we want you to do something… we won’t tell you what, but if you don’t do the something we want, which is fire your staff—but we won’t tell you that—well, you’re fired”… what sort of crack-addled nonsense is that?)

I hear Jim Beam is a pretty good solution to the Rebel blues too.

John Parker Wilson’s season stats:
63 of 99, 913yds, 7td, 1int,
QB rating 162.5
no really top flight competition yet…but as a 1st year starter no less…

and that fucking pussy of a coach, disciplinarian, play-caller, etc wouldn’t trust him to win the game with 3 min left in regulation…I think I’m beggining to understand a little of the dread experience by UF fans during the [name redacted} years

Oh, yeah, one other thing. Johnnel Smith should be fired forthwith and made to coach at Temple or something.

Orson,

We would be just as bad and our recruiting would be in the shitter as well.

Look at the numbers.

It looks like a good time for John el-Smith to go climb another mountain. I just wanted Sparty to win this game so they could get their annual overachieving havoc-wreaking win out of the way, instead of sabotaging a superior Big 10 team’s season. For now, they’re still dangerous. Oh, and watching that game, it sounded like Herbie is still pissed about ‘98 MSU-OSU. He didn’t miss any chances to pile on the Spartans, while Bawb Davie kept whining about how tough it was for him to win there.

Under Cut, we’d still be in the tunnel, only instead of light at the end of it, we’d have Rob Robertson’s sweatty mange in our face.

Erik seems to be able to refer to two different SEC West teams as “we.”

Enlighten me Tider…

25th of the month…Mike Shula’s period has started, his secretary is en route to the Target on 15th St to pick up tampons as we speak, blood is currently gushing from his crotch

1. - The only thing that ever looks bright at Ole Miss is the future. The present always sucks except every 20 or so years when a Manning Offspring QBs the Rebs.

The bad news for the Myth is that there will be so many high-profile vacancies in the BCS conferences this year that they’ll either settle for a recently fired coach (Amato would be my choice – perfect follow-up for the O), or they’ll have to sit one more year on O until 2008 when they might be able to find someone insane enough to try to rebuild a program that has been surpassed by Mississippi State (don’t laugh, look at the Egg Bowl Results) and Southern Miss (not even close here. USM is actually respectable).

Second half of the MSU/ND game was possibly the worst collapse since the north tower. Inexcusably awful, in every aspect. Don’t you win just based on that weather? “Shut ‘er down boys, it’s ball-control time.” No! Somehow you don’t. You don’t give it to the big-assed running back to plow people over, you give it to the nervous looking quarterback (atta way to lead, son) and the small back who relies on quickness and cuts. Then you self-destruct with penalties. All the mental mistakes lead me to….

My Dawgs. The commentators referred to the dropped passes like they refer to tOSU linebackers…of course, UGa’s wide receivers are dropping balls, of course tOSU has great linebackers. It’s a pattern, not an errant complaint.

Dropped passes, coupled with letting teams like West Virginia and Colorado jump out in front (obviously no disrespect to either team, just games that an arrogant UGa will view as a gimme) and the loss to Florida regardless of the relative strength of the teams, adds up to lack of mental preparation. That you have to lay at the feet of the coaching staff.

Mark Richt is in danger of becoming southern for John Cooper.

I’m blowing off steam here, because I do support Richt. AND I think Colorado is better than their record, but if UGa makes the same kind of calls against Alabama or Arkansas, much less TN or FLA, it’s a radically different outcome.

Second half of the MSU/ND game was possibly the worst collapse since the north tower. Inexcusably awful, in every aspect. Don’t you win just based on that weather? “Shut ‘er down boys, it’s ball-control time.” No! Somehow you don’t. You don’t give it to the big-assed running back to plow people over, you give it to the nervous looking quarterback (atta way to lead, son) and the small back who relies on quickness and cuts. Then you self-destruct with penalties. All the mental mistakes lead me to….

My Dawgs. The commentators referred to the dropped passes like they refer to tOSU linebackers…of course, UGa’s wide receivers are dropping balls, of course tOSU has great linebackers. It’s a pattern, not an errant complaint.

Dropped passes, coupled with letting teams like West Virginia and Colorado jump out in front (obviously no disrespect to either team, just games that an arrogant UGa will view as a gimme) and the loss to Florida regardless of the relative strength of the teams, adds up to lack of mental preparation. That you have to lay at the feet of the coaching staff.

Mark Richt is in danger of becoming southern for John Cooper.

I’m blowing off steam here, because I do support Richt. AND I think Colorado is better than their record, but if UGa makes the same kind of calls against Alabama or Arkansas, much less TN or FLA, it’s a radically different outcome.

Have to agree with Erik and Chris here. Cutcliffe was a fine man, but he couldn’t find talent at the Pro Bowl. I agree that we might have won another game or two under Cutcliffe, but if the Orgeron gamble pays off (and with our talent I think it might) we’ve got a much brighter future.

At any rate, we could have John Vaught, Bear Bryant, and Steve Spurrier coaching from the sidelines and we’d still be awful with the talent and inexperience we have right now.

I agree with irishoutsider, my liver still isn’t returning my phone calls or emails. The outcome really wasn’t that surprising based on recent history though. Hasn’t the game been decided on the last play every year for the past 5 or 6 with some sort of improbable circumstance?

Now if we could just beat them at home next year and get that monkey off our back.

My (somewhat insanely hopeful) rest of the season prediction for ND: Brady gets his head out of his ass and starts playing like a real quarterback again; ND cruises through the schedule to USC and Brady has a Carlson Palmer like performance that rockets him back into Heisman contention and creates a BCS doomsday scenario.

Orson, This team’s not good is WIDE RIGHT.
This team is nightmarishly defrillibratingly erratic . They are currently #1 in SOS in more ways than one.

Somehow I think they’ll find a way to make the cream puff part of the schedule way too exciting. Then they’ll jump out to a 24-0 point lead over USC at the half and and…

Speaking of current SOS:

ND: 1 tOSU: 25 Mich: 34

UF: 40 Auburn: 75, LSU: 67: Georgia: 125

The SEC should ban Georgia from out of conference play after that Colorado game.

Posted this in yesterday’s topic, reposting since it’s more relevant (and I couldn’t get the link to work):

Damn, was Tiffin channeling the spirit o’ John Vaughn or what? And what was up with Arkansas’ punter? Sensei Skinner asks, "What is the sound of one hand clapping?" as he displays Praying Mantis style! http://www.deadspin.com/assets/resources/2006/09/arkansaspunter.jpg

Have to agree with NoleinTexas(and matt in the previous topic); Bama’s playcalling was execrable. They should have won by at least 2 scores.

Let’s not pull out the SOS card just yet. That argument for ND right now will go against them once we start playing for the Commander-in-Chief Trophy and the Big-10, SEC, and others start beating up on each other.

NewAZTiger,

It funny that you (and others) like to say Ole Miss only has success when a Manning rolls around.

Ole Miss has won 6 SEC Championship in its history (Same as Auburn) and None of those teams were Quarterbacked by a Manning.

Yeah, Ole Miss sucks this year. Are we getting surpassed by Mississippi State? Fat fucking chance.

One Bad Egg Bowl does not a Program Make.

Even If Orgeron doesn’t Cut it (no pun intended) as a coach, he’s stockpiling some serious talent.

If he doesn’t make it, the next coach will hardly be left with the rags he is currently contending with.

Ohiodawg said “worst collapse since the north tower.”

Is that the first WTC joke i have ever read?

Watching the Florida game from high in the north endzone it looked like Rich Brooks came dangerously close to striking an official just prior to halftime. Maybe it was just the burbon playing tricks on me again, but did anyone get a better view?

(24-0 at the half in L.A.? Of course I meant up 24-0 in the dying seconds of the first half )

Cock D, Gilbert Gottfried gets credit for the first WTC joke, told at a Friar’s Club meeting just a few weeks afterward. After bombing with several WTC jokes, he then launched into a rendition of “The Aristocrats” that inspired the movie of the same title.

Watch the tale here.

My lads comeback in East Lansing was a thing of wonderment. Also saw that new sophmore QB of NCSU save Chuck’s job for this year.

Interesting note that Wake Forest has the best 1A football record in the Old North State this year. How sad.

AllWhoYonder, I was pointing out three different things and none of them were about ranking ND at season end:

1. It is pure hype to call a 3-1 team currently #1 in SOS BAD. Save that for Georgia.

2. ND’s early lead in …—-… (the other SOS) doesn’t seem likely to go away any time soon. They are likely to be just as erratic having spent a whole month at it.

3. The no loss Big N teams have a tougher SOS so far than the 4 best SEC teams. That has nothing to do with the service academies.

Canuck—

…and I was trying to limit the immediate response from the SEC/Big-10/Pac-10/etc. crowd who love to fling that one back in our faces. Believe me, I’m on your side.

Ole Miss’s last SEC Championship was in 1963. Joe Pa has underwear older than that. How long ago was that? Well, Kentucky has had an SECC since the Myth’s last one.

Ole Miss is the only SECW team not to play in the SECCG. Oops, one more notch MSU has on you guys.

MSU has actually looked better as the season has gone on, especially when you compare it to the craptacular implosion of the barechested one. And I take it you are seceeding the argument that USM is better than both of you. Smart move.

Still, the thought of Amato and Oregano going mono e mono for the Ole Miss Coaching Job (Don Leeman, UGA Regent, refereeing, of course) is just too good to pass up.

Ohiodawg, I unfortunately had front-row seats for the mess on 9/11, but in a lapse of personal decorum, I quietly chuckled at your comments re: North Tower collapse. Now I feel like I have to go to confession…

Orson, you blog as if John L. Smith decided to take a 30 minute potty break following halftime and that the Oaks Christian JV squad could have marched down the field and whupped Sparty.

Can’t you give any credit for how the Irish defense finally solved the MSU O-line and put some long-delayed pressure on Stanton?

Terrail Lambert’s two INTs and GW TD were not wholly the product of a soggy Soartan coach. Give the player some credit.

I don’t recall Stanton say anything to Chinedum Ndukwe in the 4th quarter along the lines of, “here, my coach said that you can have this ball…I don’t want it.”

And as we saw in the GT game this season and during the final drive of the Stanford game in 2005, Weis & Quinn can march down the field with suprising ease when they want to. They’re not consistent, but the Irish offense remains a sleeping giant that is nasty when it wakes up.

I will admit that Smith’s switch to conservative play calling didn’t help his team, but if I had to divide the final score into percentages, I’d say 40% MSU choke, 60% Irish talent.

Thank you, EDSBS, for finally exposing the Mizzou fraud to the world. As a Missouri native, my hatred for the Tigers knows no bounds, and I thought I was alone in understanding that this team…they are not good.

Go Irish!

The problem with John L Smith and MSU is NOT that they lost a close game in a come from behind disaster (Its only 1 loss!). The problem is that now MSU will go on to lose something like 8 of their next 5 games.

Only MSU has the ability to lose games they aren’t even playing.

If only MSU could sack up and regroup to put a decent LLLoyd Carish 3 or 4 loss season together. Wouldn’t that be nifty?

Contrarian…

It may take a while before Orson admits that ND is a “decent” team or “deserving” of credit. He watched the same Michigan game that we all did.

Having said that, though…you are correct with one point – the ND offense is a “sleeping giant”. Big Penis felatio aside, this team is back. For this week. But that is all – this week onlyl. Until Friday night. Then we ND fans all reset and start again. ND 2006 will go down as possibly one of the most inconsistent campaigns in history. The schedule indicates that ND should win out until USC, but their behavior indicates the potential for otherwise.

One thing is for sure – ND is decent at adjustments (UM and OSU notwithstanding). And Georgia Tech is a slightly better team than what many people want to give them credit for. They just need to get the ball into CJ’s hands more often.

And remember, the ND team is being led by a bunch of Golfingham recrits that have very little natural athletic ability, but a tenacious quality about them that keeps them in most games.

“MSU has actually looked better as the season has gone on, especially when you compare it to the craptacular implosion of the barechested one.”

That cause MSU has played increasingly craptacular competition.

They both suck this year, uninformed Tiger. But that SEC Championship comment is a great argument. Never heard that before. That’s really relevent in 2006. I guess they are a better program even though Ole Miss leads the series by 20 games and has won 4 of 6 since the turn of the century.

That’s some interesting math.

Find me a MSU fan that prefers their situation to ours, and i’ll find you dumbass.

At least Sparty was kind enough this year to have their collapse (however much you want to credit it towards ND’s victory) during the ND game instead of 2 or 3 games after it. Now ND doesn’t have to answer the question when bowl placement comes along about how they lost to a team with such a bad record, because it is inevitable that Sparty will lose some down the stretch.

Ole Miss and MSU are both equally craptacular this year.

The difference is that Ole Miss can fire their coach without setting off a PR nightmare for the school, the conference, and the entire state of Mississippi.

“The schedule indicates that ND should win out until USC, but their behavior indicates the potential for otherwise”

I’m calling for one loss in the puff ball part of the schedule, a first half win in L.A. The 2nd half will depend on Weis year long campaign to Patriocize man-boys.

Is Mizzou a fraud, or are we unsure about them?

Josh, i sit in the south end zone, down near where the visiting team enters and exits. Brooks was definitely get his rage on with the ref. he was all up in his face, and wildly swinging around him arms. i don’t know if it was close to blows, but it seemed that he could have accidently slap him with an errant emphatic gesture.

I think we’re more unsure about Mizzou than we actually know that they’re a fraud. Sure, they haven’t played anybody, but at least they’ve looked good doing it. Mizzou in past seasons under Pinkel would have lost to one of the teams they’ve played.

Ok, Erik, a fair question. Their ultimate place is yet to be determined, but I am fairly sure that they are not a Top-25 team as some polls would have it. Consider Mizzou’s opponents so far (Mizzou games not included):

I-AA Murray State: 1-2
Ole Miss: 1-2…including losses to Kentucy and WF
New Mexico: 2-1
Ohio: 2-1

Really, all we know for sure with this is that Orgeron angry…very angry.

That Egg-Bowl record was Pre-Wild-B0yz.

Stay classy Jon L.

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Paddy

texas doesn’t run anything close to the single wing, unless by single wing you mean “the QB takes a direct snap and runs with the ball occasionally”.

Orson was just confused because of all the Buffalo in the southeast this past weekend.

That, and Whiffin Tiffin’s one-winged kicks..

From way earlier in this thread:

Odell51, a BCS appearance won’t get us $14 million. Under the new agreement, Notre Dame receives $4.5 million when we appear in a BCS bowl, and a guaranteed $1 million when we do not. You can thank Kevin White and Monk for that craptacular negotiating.

http://bluegraysky.blogspot.com/2005_04_01_bluegraysky_archive.html

Well, most everything was “pre-Wild-Boyz.” A road loss last year in the Egg Bowl with a team full of players that quit on the coach is hardly dispositive.

But for the tiebreaker (the LSU game, which Ole Miss had a chance to win in the 4th quarter, but Eli can’t win every damn game on his own), in 2003 Ole Miss would have gone to the SEC CG. Considering that since the CG was instituted the Rebels have been under probation or had coaches who thought 7-4 and a Independence Bowl was the be-all, end-all of college football I can’t say I’m particularly surprised by the lack of CG appearances in other years.

I’m not going to pretend that the Rebels don’t face an uphill struggle, and I think that O is going to have to bring in a defensive coordinator who meshes with his system to smooth out a little of his personality, but I think in 2-3 years we can be competitive with the division—something I won’t say for State, who have every institutional disadvantage Ole Miss has multiplied three-fold (say what you will about the Rebels, but at least they’re willing to spend money on facilities… Scott Field looks like some disused municipal stadium), plus whose only recruiting pitch seems to be “if nobody else will have you, come play for a nice-guy head coach.” Ask anyone in the SEC where nice guys finish in the standings…

Erik -

You Ole Miss fans truly are a rare breed.

You haven’t won jack shit in Oxford since someone told old man Vaught that he had to start letting “the coloreds play”. Running SEC championship smack is foolish for anyone who hasn’t had one since the end of segregation (or if you prefer, the era of leather helmets).

As far as the Ogre’s recruiting classes, when he recruits a stud that can actually get into school, then you can trump it. The past two recruiting classes drew high rankings primarily on the heels of Powe, who failed (twice) to become eligible. Damn the NCAA for accepting his BYU correspondence and his miraculous raising of his ACT by ten points even though no less of an authority than his own mother said that he couldn’t read.

Ole Miss, today, is exactly where MSU was in 2003. You can choose to disagree with it, but that doesn’t make it any less true.

I suggest you put the red pants away early and find a deer stand to hang out in for the rest of the fall.

Hey Irishoutsider (going all the way back to #1 because I just got here)- You must be a youngun. Because I’m still a bit of a youngun, and even I remember that it’s only since Willingham showed up that we’ve had come from behind wins. Prior to that, we had Bob and his ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory (blitz on 4th and ten and the guy who was supposed to slide over to help never did, hello 80 yard TD), and prior to that, we had a bunch of blowouts. Hell, there was one game that was over before the clock had started, when Blake Ezor took the opening kick, stepped back a yard, and took a safety.

Why do ND fans say that they have some of the best players, but then when they play shitty, and deserve to get beat, its because they are playing with “TW’s players”. Before the season, all they talked about is BQ=1st overall pick, Jeff is top 5 receiver, Walker is “the most underrated RB”, Ryan Harris is the best OL in the country, their D-line will dominate, and Zibs is one of the best Safeties, but when they all play against someone and get beat up, they are all TW’s recruits again. You want all the hype and none of the reality.

Whatever happened to Orgeron’s plan to put a fence around Memphis? Three four-star players in the class of ‘07, and only one is even considering Ole Miss — and there’s a Vandy commit in there.

Bhors, it’s more a matter of having zero depth, and therefore nobody pushing the starters and competing for their jobs. Thanks to TW, we’re going to have 9 scholarship seniors next year. He recruited something like a total of 6 offensive linemen over a 3-year period. You should see his short game, though.

Tom, who needs Memphis.
Our 2007 class was ranked fourth nationally (six four-stars) last week when the first rankings for this year were released.

Fresh, you just had to make a post and remove all doubt. You ignant!

“As far as the Ogre’s recruiting classes, when he recruits a stud that can actually get into school, then you can trump it. The past two recruiting classes drew high rankings primarily on the heels of Powe, who failed (twice) to become eligible.”

Ole Miss’ 2006 Class of 30 players was still ranked 17th by Rivals after they compute the enrolled rankings (Sans Powe) 3 Players failed to qualify. That means 27 true Freshman. Not exactly the picture you attempted to paint.

So far this season, Orgeron debuted at the #4 on rivals Team Ranking (unheard of), and while i’m sure he will fall (because he gets on recruiting early while others get on it late) He shouldn’t fall anymore than 10 or so spots to the 10-15 range. Cutcliffe never even made the Top 25.

All this to say, quit acting like such a turd.

Who do you follow, cause you sure don’t know a damn thing about Ole Miss?

Phil, as much as I despise Monk’s leadership, That contract could have been a lot worse considering the weak position we were negotiating from. We got easier entry requirements into the BCS and money reguardless of if we play or not, even assuming Ty was on his way out, I don’t know if even the most positive evaluation of the state of the team would have had us in regular BCS contention until the next round of negotiations. Add to that the fact that we were propping up a recently devistated Big East and we had very little to left to bargain with.

Right, but I specifically remember Orgeron saying that he was going to build a wall around Memphis when he was first hired. Memphis would be a natural source of talent for the Ole Miss program; what does it say that they’re not landing most of the talent from there?

Erik…

I follow the same team you follow….I just don’t drink the Kool-Aid that you and most of the fanbase do. It’s fans like you that make Ole Miss the laughing stock that it is.

What Kool-Aid am I drinking? What have I claimed?

I’m simply talking some numbers here freshy, fresh.

Just saying you might want to do alittle research before you post again.

If you’re an Ole Miss fan, you’re the worst fucking fan I’ve ever come across.

Crazy Tom,

Not presuming to speak for irishoutsider, but I bet he means that MSU under Johnelle (not Jon-el, he’s not worthy of a Kryptonian name) allows late-game comebacks pretty frequently.

btw, orson, i’m going to be in atlanta next wk for 2 months on work. It is a BIOLOGICAL FACT that I will die if I don’t see my wolverines in action each and every saturday. Where can i go in ATL to watch the wolverines?

also, to any other posters out there, I will be spending some time in auburn, AL. Are there any bars that won’t cut my balls off if I try to watch a Michigan game in Tiger Country?

An Ole Miss-Mississippi State threadjack?

Now I’ve seen everything.

Theri, email me and we’ll talk particulars for your area of Atlanta.

Just so you know, the Olympic Mountains are to the West of Seattle. The Cascades, however, are to the East.

Let’s get this thread back on track – Tebow is a beast, the fastest and nastiest fullback in the SEC. But what I really love is that he seems to derive tremendous satisfaction from demolishing defenders… unleashing him on a tired defence late in the game is an act so savage it must be banned by at least one international treaty. And what makes him even more beastly is that, at this point, everyone in the country knows what he’s going to do when he gets the snap, and he still can’t be stopped…

Let’s get this thread back off-track.

Rebs, when was the last time Auburn finished in the top 10 in recruiting? Maybe 1 time since Tubs arrived. What does that say about recruiting rankings?

AZTiger,

Who consistantly finishes in the Top 5? Texas, LSU and USC.
Who wins BCS National Championships? Texas, LSU and USC. What does that say about Recruiting Rankings?

Can you win without a top 10 class? Sure

Is it much, much, much easier if you have top athletes (as rated by rivals/scout) Yes!

Recruiting rankings aren’t the be-all and end-all, but I guarantee you that Tubby’s classes (both at Ole Miss and Auburn) historically outranked Cutcliffe’s. Does a top-15 class guarantee a great team? Not necessarily, particularly when that class is still true freshmen. But a few years of quality recruits can make a real difference… as can a few years of mediocre recruits, no matter what rankings we’re talking about.

Auburn’s done a good job of coaching up above-average to great talent. Ole Miss has historically done less with somewhat lesser talent. That suggests both the need to (a) improve the talent and (b) improve the coaching. O is working on (a), which is what he was primarily hired to do, and it would be nigh impossible to do worse at coaching than Cutcliffe’s staff did.

Hey, MSU fans have nothing to do with this threadjack. It’s just Ole Miss fans going at each other. Like Coach O did to his dentist neighbor.

To echo #61:
Bhors:
In his last 2 recruiting classes, TW brought in a total of four 4 star recruits, 0 5 stars. Of those four 4 stars, one is playing a new position, one quit football, and one just rejoined the team at a new position after being off the team for a season. Add that up, there is no depth at any position. Hence playing nickel exclusively the entire game, with the 2 LBs being a 215 lb MLB who played WLB last year, and a 210 lb guy who was a tailback his entire college career until fall camp.
If you think the bitching is bad now, wait until next year when their will be probably 15 or 16 new starters with no playing experience.

“The real lesson from this: if you have a golf-addicted coach, send him to a place with a high annual rainfall, where he will be forced to spend time inside and doing football-type stuff. Ty Willingham should never venture to the east of the Olympias again.”

Methinks you need a geography lesson. The entire country is east of the Olympics except some gray whales and cormorants. I think you mean the Cascades, which protect Seattle from Red America. And them from us, I suppose.

There’s a columnist here who calls Willingham “paint-dry Ty” for his scintillating press conferences.

How many years does MSU have to keep Croom before there won’t be a political fallout if they fire him? I think 6 would be more than enough.

Coachspeak rhetoric is that you need five years to build a program (and considering the sorry state the program was in when he inherited it from Sherrill, that’s what he’s doing.) Anything before that will spark an absolute firestorm from the BCA. Add one year for Croom being the first black coach in the SEC, and add one or two more because of the fact that MSU isn’t a job that coaches will be falling all over themselves to take (so there’s no guarantee they’d be better off firing Croom.) And add another year because the program was on probation (if I’m not mistaken) when he took over. Finally, add a year if Croom has the team in a bowl game before 2009.

Otherwise the school and the conference will get hammered by the media on claims that they set Croom up to fail.

“Threadjack?” This isn’t some kooky message board, and I could have sworn this “post” concerned Ole Miss.

I did, however, threadjack your mother last night.

(when in doubt, defer to motherly humor)

Not defending The Orgeron, but we did take 6 of the Top 12 athletes in the Memphis area last year, which was more than anyone else in the area. This year, we’re not winning the top Memphis area recruits, but we’re doing a pretty good job with the in-state kids to make up for the lack in that area. Personally, I don’t care where a recruit comes from as long as he’s good. If you find 11 studs in Indonesia that run 4.3 40s, great. I question The Orgeron’s coaching ability, and I hope it improves in the coming years, but I don’t question his recruiting strategy. He’s made Memphis, Louisiana, and Mississippi his top recruiting targets, and plans to fill out the rest of his class with the top talent he can get from other parts of the country including using his California connections to land a handful of players.

Will it pay off in the end? Who knows, but I agree with the thought that even if he doesn’t succeed as our head coach, he should leave a fairly talented team for whoever we choose to hire as his replacement.

For the MSU argument, you can pretty much bet that Croom won’t be leaving much talent at MSU when he leaves.

“de puga”! Where do you boys come up with this stuff? That photo of Nutt and your past posts on him are dead on. I will never forget your description of Nutt a couple of years ago: “crazier than a sack of squirrels”. That’s him, man.

He has always impressed me as the kind of person who may barricade himself in his office when he’s fired. They need to let him know on a Sunday afternoon at his home.

All of Houston Nutt’s hillbilly dance-o-rama aside, we lowly Arkansas fans are happy to take a stolen/given victory from Alabama if it gets us in to post-season for the first time in…… well, awhile.

A 2-0 start in the SEC for the first time since 1998 at least gives us hope against Auburn, as dillusional as that hope may be. After all, even Auburn can make a mistake, and so far this season the Football Gods have been generous.

We’ve got somebody on the inside with the Gods, but I won’t go into that.