RULE 3-2-5-E STILL SUCKS: 18 PLAYS A GAME
Original estimates on the total number of plays lost per game due to rule 3-2-5e ran in the “oh, you know, just 10-14 plays” range. The actual total thus far after one weekend of play? 18.32 plays a game, a sum closer to the high end of what most rule-watchers predicted.
The rule is bad taco meat that’s getting worse. Your non-democratically elected and likely unresponsive contact for the rule is:
Ty Halpin, NCAA Football Rules Committee Liaison
NCAA
P.O Box 6222
Indianapolis,Indiana 46206-6222
FAX: (317) 917-6800
E-mail: thalpin@ncaa.org
Give ‘em hell.
“Just get up off the ground, that’s all I ask. Get up there with that lady that’s up on top of this Capitol dome, that lady that stands for liberty.”
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dragonash says:
I have a friend who works for the Malibu PD and he has a tape that has Mel Gibson claiming that “the Jews are trying to ruin college football and that rule 3-2-5-E is how they will do it”. Just thought you’d like to know.
September 6th, 2006 at 11:52 am
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tim in tampa says:
Has anyone found one single coach who supported this rule being passed?
Every quote I’ve read has blasted it. It can’t look good to the NCAA to have the entire mass of their coaches opposed to a rule that directly affects their jobs.
Then again, that’s assuming the NCAA cares.
September 6th, 2006 at 11:57 am
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Bruce Ciskie says:
I attended a game on Thursday.
Running time: approx. 2 hours, 51 minutes
Plays run: over 140
September 6th, 2006 at 12:02 pm
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Yost says:
O,
I think getting college football fans across the nation to take up the torch and write in to this guy in have their voices heard about this crap rule is a great idea. Keep up the heat. We’ll also put up a link/post in support.
Run with this one.
September 6th, 2006 at 12:08 pm
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PSUgirl says:
TV timeouts were longer. We had clock mismanagement (lloyd carr was no where near us) resulting in a 10 minute (not kidding) delay and reawarding of a taken timeout to our opponent – oh you should have heard the negative cheering!
September 6th, 2006 at 12:23 pm
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Jeremy says:
tim_in_tampa,
The only one who came close to supporting it, from what I’ve read, was Ro … er … [NAME REDACTED] in this article.
http://www.southbendtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060906/CollSports01/609060478/-1/SPORTS
But you can’t really blame him for wanting the game to end as quickly as possible, now can you?
September 6th, 2006 at 12:26 pm
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BS says:
Yeah it sucks.
September 6th, 2006 at 12:32 pm
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NewAZTiger says:
I think they tricked us by combining this rule with the 12th game.
Same amount of football will be played, just over 12 weeks instead of 11.
The good news is that John Walker Parker Wilson Phillips will only have to endure 10 sacks at the hands of Auburn.
September 6th, 2006 at 12:42 pm
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GamecockTony says:
Just like a guy named Ty to go and screw everything up.
September 6th, 2006 at 12:48 pm
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Her Loyal Sons » Help End (one of) The Dumbest Rule(s) In Sports says:
[...] EDSBS has a story up here about how the newest dumbest rule in sports has made Baby Jesus (a fan of ND, by the way) cry and rich, godless television executive cheer over their $100 bill wrapped cigars. [...]
September 6th, 2006 at 12:52 pm
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tim says:
can someone explain to me why the most obvious way to shorten a game has been avoided? all you have to do is keep the clock running on a first down. now, i say that the games were just fine the way they were, but you don’t see anyone complaining about the length of pro games. i think if you let the clock run on first down, and eliminate all the other garbage rules, the product will be much better.
September 6th, 2006 at 1:12 pm
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JACOB WILLIAMS says:
I hate , DONT FIX IT IF IT ISNT BROKEN
September 6th, 2006 at 1:17 pm
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kenny irons says:
I like the new time rules.
For one, I got ten quantum physics credits from Auburn just for being able to SPELL “time”in crayon on my big writing tablet, and second because when Bama shoves that thumb right up our ass this season, it’ll be shorter.
Come to think of it, I might enjoy that, so SCREW THE NEW TIME RULES!!!!!!!!
War Click Clack Damn Eagle everyone!
KI
September 6th, 2006 at 1:21 pm
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Pat Dye's Liver says:
Look on the bright side…it’s 18 plays a game less we have to fight the urge to pimp-slap that big-eared, braying jackass of an Auburn head Coach into last month each week.
Have another one on me boys…hic.
PDL
September 6th, 2006 at 1:30 pm
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Aerobab says:
“We weren’t looking to take plays away from the game. We were looking to … get away from some of these 3-hour, 45-minute games in hot weather or cold weather,” said Auburn coach Tommy Tuberville, who is on the rules committee, which approved the changes in May.
At least there’s one more individual to heave bricks at.
Auburn…whodathunkit?
September 6th, 2006 at 1:36 pm
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James says:
This rule is terrible. Do not take plays from the players. How about fewer TV time outs if you want shorter games. Punish someone else, but do not punish the players and fans of the game.
September 6th, 2006 at 1:36 pm
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Chuck says:
Tuberville needs to get out of the South. I think as punnishment he should play a game in Lambeau Field in the middle of January.
September 6th, 2006 at 1:52 pm
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Russ says:
How about the obvious solution of getting rid of instant replay? I watched the refs take 4 minutes to review an obvious call that had no impact at all on the game. Talk about killing the momentum…
September 6th, 2006 at 2:09 pm
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HawkHusker says:
Ty’s out of office reply…
“Please read this message carefully.
I am currently out of the country until the morning of Tuesday,
September 12. I will be unable to return any e-mails or phone messages until
this date.
Please contact Heather Perry (hperry@ncaa.org), Teresa Smith
(tksmith@ncaa.org) or Nicole Boles (nboles@ncaa.org) for assistance in
playing rules administration. Thank you. “
September 6th, 2006 at 2:45 pm
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OnionBag says:
I was at the Ohio State-Northern Illinois game on Saturday. I didn’t notice a difference. Although, I guess when a team scores 4 TD’s in the first 15 min 5 sec of a game you will have that. Saturday will be a better test in the OSU-UT game. Probably won’t notice a difference when Northern Illinois crushes my Bobcats.
September 6th, 2006 at 3:02 pm
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corey bailey says:
What I think will actually get this rule killed is lost Advertising
revenue. There always used to be a commercial after a kick,
not anymore.
Less Commercials = Less Cash to Networks = Less Cash to
Conferences = Ty Halpin apologizing profusely, and offering eva langoria to yours Truly.
That’s how I have it worked out in my head any way.
September 6th, 2006 at 3:47 pm
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Jarvis12 says:
Flood that bastard. It’s brutal, 16-20 plays a game difference from 2005 week 1 to 2006 week 2. And the worst part was the whorish work from announcers all weekend talking about what a good rule it was. (Especially that tool Paul McGuire, I knew having him back in college football was going to perforate my ulcer.) We’re willing to have a couple of you tool miss your flights in exchange for seeing a full football game.
Here’s an obvious solution, if you think the games are too long, don’t watch them. You will not be missed.
September 6th, 2006 at 5:22 pm
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J.J. says:
Orson,
Normally you or the Conscience edit out the “@” from e-mail addresses so spambots can’t pick up the address. Good call leaving these addresses intact!
September 6th, 2006 at 5:42 pm
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CFBreport.com » Blog Archive » Join the good Fight says:
[...] Go visit EDSBS. [...]
September 6th, 2006 at 5:56 pm
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Stankfinger says:
Put a link and the tools contact info on our site. Shall I fire up the torches and gather the pitchforks now? Or wait til later?
September 6th, 2006 at 5:58 pm
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Charlie says:
Dear Ty,
I am a rabid college football fan and, as such, I am disgusted by the new rule 3-2-5e. Why on God’s green earth would you shorten the game that so many of us put on the same level of importance as Jesus Christ and the Second Amendment? You’re depriving us of about 18 plays per game. That adds up to like 200 plays per season. Do you know how many games that adds up to? It’s like three games. Your organization’s stupid rule took three games worth of football away from us. THREE GAMES. Honestly it’s like taking away Christmas. Does the NCAA hate Christmas, Ty? I hope not. Do you know what else? You may also have managed to take the single-season rush record away from Adrian Peterson. As a Sooner fan I find that despicable. Please let the powers that be know that I cannot fathom a single respectable reason to leave this rule on the books.
Thanks for your time,
September 6th, 2006 at 6:47 pm
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father figure says:
Was Bruce Ciskie complaining about the length of the game he attended, or was he arguing that the mean is irrelevant because of his anecdote? Either way, this rule is the “camel’s nose under the tent” to turn college football into the No Fun League. Its amazing that people who profess to love college football would ever support a rule that was clearly designed by people who hate it.
Paul McGuire is awful; just awful. Its no surprize that he would be in favor of a half-witted rule. Has any announcer ever been more frequently wrong than him? The realization that he would be polluting college football with his anti-intellectual filth made me want to forget the English language. At least when he was paired with Theisman and Patrick he was covering crappy, meaningless games on the most depressing night of the week. Now he gets to ruin our Saturdays? Just awful.
September 6th, 2006 at 7:52 pm
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darthgatorone says:
Over on Gator Country there were threads about a resolution/petition to be sent to the NCAA. The link is:
http://www.wehatethenewclockrules.com
I sent the resolution/petition. In addition, utilizing your information which I posted on GC (with due credit to you) I sent the following e-mail to Mr. Halpin for Myles Brand:
“Dear Mr. Halpin,
To paraphrase the Air Force General”s evaluation of the computer defense system that almost caused WW III in the classic movie “War Games” :
Mr. Brand, after very careful consideration, sir, I’ve come to the conclusion that your new clock rule sucks.”
September 7th, 2006 at 12:12 am
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Bob says:
If you hate the new rules, here’s an online petition to sign. (Feel free to forward it to anyone else outraged.)
http://www.wehatethenewclockrules.com/
September 7th, 2006 at 12:12 am
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StateFans Nation » Blog Archive » Rebate? 18.3 Plays Per Game Lost to New Rule says:
[...] EDSBS has an entry on the topic today and goes so far as suggesting that you reach out the NCAA with the following: Your non-democratically elected and likely unresponsive contact for the rule is: Ty Halpin, NCAA Football Rules Committee Liaison NCAA P.O Box 6222 Indianapolis,Indiana 46206-6222 FAX: (317) 917-6800 E-mail: thalpin@ncaa.org Give ‘em hell. [...]
September 7th, 2006 at 8:33 am
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who says:
FELLAS
GIVE US A FORM LETTER TO SEND AND KEEP THE LINK PINNED TO THE TOP OF YOUR SITE
September 7th, 2006 at 9:12 am
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Ank says:
TV time outs ruin everything. And even with their 5 minute advertising windows, the networks still run long and miss plays.
And the games were never too long to begin with. Anyone who complains about the length can go tailgate in their local stadium parking lot waiting for their local $500/ticket team play to a 8-8 season in the “Mediocrity is best, everyone’s a winner!!!” League.
September 7th, 2006 at 11:28 am
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Bruce Ciskie says:
http://www.aolsportsblog.com/2006/09/06/whining-over-rules-changes-wont-stop/
September 7th, 2006 at 11:53 am
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Boclive says:
For the record; I am against the new clock rule.
Also opposed to the rule allowing advancing the ball with the forward pass.
And facemasks are for girls.
I like the starting the alternate possessions in overtime on the 2 yard line, though. More scoring!
September 7th, 2006 at 2:46 pm
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Mathew says:
Dear Mr. Ty Halpin,
I am an extremely devoted college football fan. Some might even call me obsessed. When considering that I almost got in a fist-fight with my roommate (and best-friend) over his decision to watch the new Nip/Tuck dvds on Thursday night instead of the Boston College v. CMU game (which, admittedly I had no reason to care about beyond it being a college football game, the first one after an extremely long eight months), I tend to agree with them. The new rules designed to shorten games are like a swift punch in the stomach. Given that I watch between six and eight games every Saturday, for approximately twelve weeks, plus bowls, they are depriving me of a significant portion of one of my favorite things in all the world. This is to say nothing of the games themselves that may have their outcomes affected. During Miami’s loss to FSU Monday, surely the last two minutes might have played out differently had the old rules still been in affect. Also various records will undoubtedly be affected. You may have managed to take the single-season rush record away from Michael Hart. As a Wolverine fan I find that despicable. Please let the powers that be know that I cannot fathom a single respectable reason to leave this rule on the books.
Thanks for your time,
Mathew ******
Michigan State University Alumni
September 7th, 2006 at 5:00 pm
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john says:
The time rules ruin the game. There will be far fewer 4th quarter comebacks this year. The winning team is learning to use the clock and stall, making it impossible for the opposition to get the necessary plays in to challenge. The rules suit only the advertisers who get more time to hawk their products. The game I was at Saturday was badly affected by the time rules. Can the ncaa do anything more to screw up the game of college football?
September 10th, 2006 at 8:26 pm
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husker fan says:
The NCAA is screwing the fan again. They have moved beyond getting players and universities. They are now out to get me and every college football fan in America. We all knew the NCAA was an evil “plot” and this is just more effidence.
September 12th, 2006 at 9:47 pm
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Buddy Vogler says:
The new rule has ruined the opportunity for many fans across the nation to watch a thrilling comeback attempt in the great game of college football. The collegiate refs aren’t able to keep up with the speed of the game, therefore when they don’t get the spot right and the clock runs out then more time is put back on the clock it just creates more confusion… But whoever the dumbass was that wrote this rule left a big hole in it. Just ask the Wisconsin Coach…. In a stroke of brilliance he kicked out off three times to end a game, because he instructed one of his players to be offsides each time. Since the clock starts when the ball is kicked there was no chance for the trailing team to make any sort of comback. The NCAA will try to fix this with an unsportsmanlike penalty again giving refs more trouble by asking them to make a judgement call. The fewer rules that require referee judgement in the game the better. I know there have to be some, but this is what breeds inconsistency. I wrote Ty about this and he was quick to fire back except about how Wisconsin can kickoff and run out the clock…
It is a stupid rule and gives one side or the other a distinct advantage… Nice job NCAA!!!
November 13th, 2006 at 6:08 pm