UN PETEE-T CLUSTERFUCK DANS LE CHAMPS DE AUBURN

Nerdy Sociology teacher is probably nothing more than a football groupie.

P.S.: Love the Hunt For Red October reference.

“The russians don’t take a shit without a plan, son”

Classic

I don’t understand how it’s against the rules to take a directed reading class. Every school has them, e.g. The University of Alabama offers one in their Womens Studies program entitled “Contemporary Transgender Theory.” Every school has them. This professor probably did too many. He will get fired. The NCAA won’t get involved as long as these guys did their work.

Occam’s Razor you say? I have a much simpler explanation. "Ahem. OK, here’s what we’ve got: the Rand Corporation, in conjunction with the saucer people under the supervision of the reverse vampires are forcing our parents to go to bed early in a fiendish plot to eliminate the meal of dinner. [Or, in this case Auburn football] We’re through the looking glass, here, people…

Orson, you forgot to mention under reaction 2 that this means probably Middle Tennessee State is going to face the wrath of Miles Brand.

I would actually say that all internet rumors were absolutely false until the point when WSJ leaked that the NYT would be releasing an article. There just happens to be so many rumors floating around at this time of year that it seemed as though they slowly developed into the truth.

Where did Warren leak this, Nix? Got a URL?

Tider Insider membership board.

Orson
Check this link:
http://mb19.scout.com/fauburnfrm2.showMessage?topicID=125463.topic

In the WTFHTT department. D’Angelo’s mugshot here: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/mugshots/dangelomug1.html

Get me a transcript, then. For a few reasons:

Warren’s a friend, and what you’re accusing him of is way, way unethical. Gimme a link that isn’t a secondhand bit of quotage, or give me nothing. We’ve gotten transcripts off of TI before.

Also, there’s the question of plausibility here. Which is more likely to be true: your desire as a fan to deny a problem, or the published and vetted work of a newspaper which could be sued for millions if it isn’t true? We’d bet on the latter.

If something like this came out about Florida, we’d be enraged, not in denial. It’s what a sensible college fan should do.

What am I accusing him of? I was saying that the first bit of rumors in regards to a female NCAA investigator being on campus were absolutely false. When in actuality is what Auburns new directors of compliance (former NCAA employees) reporting for the job.

The moment that rumors on the internet starting to become true is after WSJ mentioned that a NYT article would be coming out. That’s when information about that article started creeping out which happened to be factual.

Petee needs the black circle around his eye to complete the photo.

“sensible” & “college fan” I have never heard of such a thing.

You’re accusing him of talking about a story in the works, which is a big deal.

Wow, so it looks like some bama fans like Warren could have indeed helped in the report which may significantly damage Auburn’s accreditation. Man I love this state. Without Alabama, how could we ever get through the offseason not killing ourselves?

Orson –
It disappoints me that you cannot see through this.

Please, elaborate, Bax. Would love to hear the conspiracy theory.

Bama’s behind it, I’m sure.

As to your point about NCAA Investigators, those message board rumors have so far been proven to be false. There were NYT writers on campus, but no NCAA PIs. Just wanted to clear that up.

Also, here’s a link to an article by Will Collier quoting WSJ on Tider Insider. I don’t have a subscription so I can’t help you out but Will might.
http://vodkapundit.com/

Bama was also behind the Bay of Pigs and the so-called “Moon Landing”. Don’t you folks know anything?

It’s all ball bearings these days.
Perhaps you need a refresher course.

Sorry, didn’t know that was against the code of ethics. I’ll try to find the original posting of the thread I saw on the ITAT members board.

I don’t know why I’m shocked they want to blame this on everyone but their university. “It’s a great liberal NYT conspiracy I tells ya! And bama too – you just know they’re behind it somehow”

And it’s “their” not “there” size, status, etc

Orson, I don’t think that WSJ simply saying “the Times is going to publish an article that will make you happy” is especially unethical. That’s incredibly vague and has little chance of affecting the story that the NYT is trying to cover.

Two things
1. If allegations are to be believed, its local writers who did more to leak the story than Warren.
Listen to Finebaum’s broadcast two days ago interviewing David Wesson, the Sports Editor of the Tuscaloosa News.
2. The professor in charge of this received his PhD from Notre Dame. So I’m blaming the whole damn thing on Brady Quinn, Lou Holtz, and grass grown especially long to so down Reggie Bush.

Newspaper staffers generally don’t comment on upcoming stories, Mike, but they’re particularly tight about it at the Grey Lady. We think that post is about an existing banking story. What NixForSix and Vodkapundit are suggesting is that Warren was commenting on the Thamel piece, which would be bad.

I agree with you there Michael… if he was leaking information about the story that would be a problem… just saying that a story is cooking about Auburn… I’m not offended… but as the site demonstrates regularly, I’m not a journalist.

I don’t think legit Auburn fans would blame the academic issues on Bama. If this was going on it’s an internal problem that needs to be corrected. There isn’t anything wrong with these types of classes. You can take them at any school. AU fans are mad that it’s Auburn that gets featured for this. Seriously, how do half of football players at virtually any school actually pass? Vince Young even made it through school for three years.

I don’t think wsj did anything unethical. everyone that posts/reads that board know who he is and who he works for, and he didn’t say anything about the content or subject (outside of it being about AU) of the article, just that the posters who were up in arms about the NYT’s reporting of classified information should start looking favorably at the NYT again in a few days nudge nudge wink wink.

How can Bama be behind it?
The whitleblower comes from Auburn’s own Sociology Dean!…and just because Warren St. John works for NYT doesn’t mean there’s a Bama Consipiracy. Weak accusation. Auburn want to point the finger at everyone but themselves…pitiful!

Durrectedd reedin’ izz thaa shiznit!

Here’s the thing about Warren’s supposed “leak.”

Supposedly he said something about a female NCAA investigator at Auburn (it’s not quoted which makes me suspicious, but anyway) A) it turned out not to be true and b) the NYT story doesnt say anything about NCAA investigators. So — what did he leak? Sounds more like he was wrong. Doesnt a leak have to be like, a leak of something that’s going to be in the paper?

And secondly, that other comment seems to be in the context of a politcal discussion about the NYT banking story and dems and repubs, not football, and who knows if he’s referring to a specific story anyway. Further, a story that will make the homers happy as he put it could be about just about anything — Tennessee, how great Bear Bryant is, blah blah blah. I’m not buying the conspiracy.

“2. The professor in charge of this received his PhD from Notre Dame. So I’m blaming the whole damn thing on Brady Quinn, Lou Holtz, and grass grown especially long to so down Reggie Bush. "

I think that’s something we can all get behind.

Todd I don’t think he even mentioned AU.

But there’s a distinction between commenting, which necessarily implies discussing the facts of the story, and vague statements that there is a story coming down the pike, without even mentioning the subject matter of the story.

I loved Will Collier’s beef that the New York Times prints intelligence details that they get from government leakers, but they won’t answer his questions. It’s not as if it’s part of the NYT’s function to report on intelligence doings, as opposed to answering questions from an angry Auburn fan.

What’s going to be most ironic is when Auburn’s internal investigation finds nothing major to be amiss (and if Gundlach’s statement to the AJC about athletics taking precedence over academics at Auburn are to be believed, that’s a virtual certainty), Collier will likely respond to claims of “whitewash!” with “that’s BS conspiracy thinking; maybe you should go to Roswell or Area 51!” And yet his original response to the article is to blame Bama, WSJ, the NYT, the Tuscaloosa News, and apparently the rest of the organized media for conspiring against Auburn.

Let’s all remember that Auburn only has so many books that haven’t been colored in, as has been well-documented by a certain Evil Genius. On that fact, I say they should be given a pass, but I’m giddy on the inside :) Also, belatedly, FORZA ITALIA for the World Cup, nothing like celebrating in Rome with your 1,000,000 closest friends (although it does still tie for Gainesville after a nat’l championship)

Now THAT is a response the University of Michigan School of Law would be proud of.

Bob – you’re correct, wsj didn’t mention AU.

All I have to say is James Brooks.

The guy graduated from Auburn and later told the world that he couldn’t read.

Is this really a surprise to anyone? But if I was an Auburn fan I would be pissed!

Full disclosure, again: Cuddles Swindle is a grad of Auburn.

Brooks did not graduate.

funny pic about the story:

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k278/jlwhit1/feardumb-1.jpg

“The sourcing doesn’t come from a hayseed Deep Throat or begrudged employee.”

Who do you think got passed over for the position that Petee currently holds?

From the Huntsville Times – http://www.al.com/sports/huntsvilletimes/index.ssf?/base/sports/1152868684135850.xml&coll=1

“Gundlach, officials said, confirmed to Auburn that, at least in part, his dissatisfaction with being passed over when Petee was promoted in 2002 led him to ultimately take his allegations to The New York Times earlier this year.”

Worst case scenario…this Peete guy gets axed, Auburn places heightened regulations on professor discretion of independent studies (something that may go into effect for the entire NCAA), and then at this years Iron Bowl 20,000 fans from each school murder each other.

another funny pic:

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k278/jlwhit1/carnell.jpg

Allegations which no one is denying, Jason.

Re: the pictures, quotes, etc. of Carnell…since when does academics really come into play in regards to football? Should we just start to factor this in? So now Vanderbilt starts every SEC game with a 28 point lead?

It’s rather interesting that the NY Times has done 2 offseason articles on Auburn the last 2 years. The first revolved around the FCA and was discredited by the NCAA. Now this comes out from a disgruntled AU prof who was passed over for promotion over a year ago and the classes were not only open to all students, the athletes took less than 25% of the classes offered, and when AU found out about it, the classes were nixed in 2005, a full year ago.

The whistleblower, however, may have violated federal law in releasing the names of the students involved to the press.

Every school has relatively easy courses, take UF for example. UF core curriculum, required by all undergrads, includes Jorts Construction 101. From what I can tell, everyone gets an A in that class.

As for the leak, this article was supposed to be in Sunday’s NYT, but apparently, they were scooped by the OA-News and had to publish it early. A Blair Switch project, as it were.

BTW, the whistleblowing professor is most noted for his Ig Nobel Prize where he proved that country music increases the suicide rate.

I was drunk the day my diploma got out of sociology…

Virginia Law, bitches. Michigan Law is nice and all, but what do you make of a school that produced Catherine McKinnon and Ann Coulter?

Sorry for flippin’ your ed cred, there.

NewAZTiger: there is no class in Jorts Construction, since we’re all born with a pair securely fastened to our umbilical cord.

There was a class at UF (1 credit only, if we recall correctly) that was called “Growing Fruit for Fun and Profit.” The “fun” part is what cracks me up.

The NYT does a good job of conveniently leaving out a lot of facts in this article. Read this and you’ll have a different opinion on the matter… http://www.al.com/sports/huntsvilletimes/index.ssf?/base/sports/1152868684135850.xml&coll=1&thispage=1

The fact that you’re all born with Jorts is exactly why Jorts Construction 101 is a complete and total academic farce.

Why, it’s almost like taking Wine Tasting at the Capstone.

Michael, when did you finish?

Adam, why is that—because the allegations were made public by a guy who was passed over for Petee’s spot? In what way does that diminish from the veracity or significance of the allegations? Hell, the claims Gundlach is making are documented and not in dispute whatsoever. As for their significance, just see the quotes from academics at other institutions—they are absolutely astounded at what Petee was engaging in.

Seems the NY Times reporter has a bit of a history.

Deep Throat had a bureaucratic grudge, too.

AUAlum and peacedog,

James Gundlach hasn’t a degree from Notre Dame.

GUNDLACH, JAMES H., 1942-

Professor. Born: December 15, 1942, in Watonga, Okla. Parents: Leo Carl and Clara (Van Dorn) Gunlach. Education: Oklahoma State University, B.A., 1969; University of Texas, M.A., 1975; Ph.D., 1978. Married: Carol on April 31, 1969. Children: One. Associate professor at Auburn University.

There is a Marketing prof at ND named Greg Gundlach. I took a class of his, complete tool who had never heard of Taco Bell.

2000.

And Adam, you want to talk about leaving out some details? How about the fact that Langenfield was allowed to enroll in one of Petee’s directed reading courses 9 or 10 weeks into a 15 week semester? That’s ridiculous.

Oh, nevermind, you’re right—it’s much more likely the NYT reporter is biased against AU than the Huntsville Times writer is biased for them.

Rainmaker – I understand that for Petee the implications are very serious. What I’m saying is that this is more an internal academics issue than anything else. This being a football blog, I figured the only ramifications anyone would care about would be harm done to athletics. In this case, there will most likely be none, much to the chagrin of a lot of Auburn’s rival fans, I’m sure.

Actually, I fail to see how your post in any way makes the point which you now claim it was designed to. The only conceivable interpretation of your post was that the Huntsville Times piece you linked painted a picture far more favorable to AU in terms of whether or not significant improprieties took place by calling into question the credibility of the whistle-blower and including quotes from players far different in tone and substance from those in the NYT article.

It appears that Carnell Williams took the class after his 2004 season was over and while he was preparing for a multi-million dollar career.

Ooops.

Biggest non-story of the year?

Tommy,
Petee has the PhD from the Dome, not Gundlach.

I think Michael brings up a good point about the NCAA taking a strong look into IS cases.

Petee is to Independent Study classes as Willie Williams is to Lobster Dinners on Recruiting Visits.

Boy, some of you guys are slow, delusional, or both. Carnell was simply used as an example (a high profile one)—his taking two independent study courses during the spring of his senior year is hardly what this is all about. But keep beating the hell out of that straw man.

Adam,

I think this is more than just an acedemic issue. If athletes were directed to this class by the athletic department the program is in danger of sanctions.

Bottomline is until the Worldwide Leader reports it, nothing is happening. Do you understand, NOTHING IS HAPPENING! Nothing to see here, move along.

Where are my pictures of Brandon Cox without his shirt on?

So would every athletic department that directed kids towards a kinesiology major also be in danger of sanctions?

The main issue is that one professor was supervising too many classes. No player has said they were anything but legit classes that required hard work.

Why don’t you show the picture of the stinky hippie that dropped the dime on AU? Or mentioned that he has a hardon for Dr. Petee eversince he was passed over for promotion?

Yep, I am a proud AU grad. And if this is the best the they can come up with after two + years of digging then not too worried.

This whole thing is a straw man.

It was reported upon and fixed over a year ago. It does not involve any improper benefits for athletes. At worst, it is a grade-inflation issue because the professor gave EVERYONE A’s and B’s. Not just student athletes, but every other person that took the class.

Carnell’s name is a big deal, because he is the superstar that the article infers got extra benefits to remain eligible, but that is clearly not the case. Carnell took a light load after the Sugar Bowl to get ready for the NFL Draft. That a star athlete would do this when his eligibility is up is only news to people that have been under a rock for the past 50 years.

What I want to know is why the NY Times is reporting this as a Sports story when there is little, if any, evidence that this is a sport story. It’s much more of an internal academic story, and it was fixed over a year ago.

Cue Officer Barr Brady.

Hey Ritty,
I’ll give you Vandy and 28 as a running wager for 12 weeks.
Deal?

NewAZTiger,
I think the link to auburn.scout makes a good point, and it echoes Mr. Swindle’s analysis. There is no telling what will come of this, but it certainly is an issue. As the Scout article implicitly recognizes, the Langenfeld situation may be the most problematic for Auburn’s athletic program, assuming Langenfeld received special treatment because he is an athlete. I agree that it is highly unlikely that this will result in major NCAA sanctions (the NCAA’s well-established position is to concede academic indpendence—just look at what UT got away with). Regardless, to call this a non-story is ridiculous-unless you believe that a professor singlehandedly making his university an academic laughingstock isn’t a major story.

Clearly because the New York Times hates Auburn. What you need is an unbiased journalist like, say Phillip Marshall, to write a piece on it. Oh wait.

And, no, NewAZTiger—Carnell was used to demonstrate how these “courses” worked. Of course he was picked because he was a superstar, but his experience is by no means what is driving this thing.

Nix, keep spinning pal. You and I both know you’re comparing apples to oranges (then again, maybe you don’t).

I can’t see Warren St. John ever using the word “homers.” The writing style of the text of his alleged “leak” is 180 degrees from his normal writing style, both in his professional work and on TiderInsider.

I’ll tell you this much…there’s a good chance D’Angelo wishes he had YOUR abs right now. You seen a picture of that guy recently?

’s been hitting the chicken grease a little hard, eh?

The OSU fan is in court today:

http://www.deadspin.com/sports/whimsy/its-judgment-day-for-mike-cooper-187334.php

If a student’s name was given to the press without obtaining consent for his information to be released, federal law was violated. I’d say the ethics of the whistleblower are in question.

Once again, this is a non-story because it was reported to the proper authorities at the university back in either late 2004 or early 2005 and the university took action and corrected it by this time last year. That is precisely how it should’ve happened.

This was not a course for football players only. It was a course for ALL STUDENTs of which the overwhelming majority were NOT FOOTBALL PLAYERS. It is no more of a sports story than to say that football players will be taking U101.

What this story really is about is petty infighting in a sociology department amongst tenured professors. Big whup.

Now, perhaps someone else could clue me in as to why the New York Times thinks this is a sports story over a year after the problem was noted, addressed, and fixed?

I’m just curious when the DeVry Institute of Technology becaome DeVry College. I didn’t discover this until I moved to Decatur off College Ave and saw the sign (silly me thinking the street was named because of Agnes Scott and not DeVry).

NewAZ, I suggest you get in touch with the NYT immediately and let them know how much of a non-story this is.

Hey Rainmaker…relatively speaking this is a nonstory for the NYT. We are about to have another installment of the Crusades after all when….NEWSFLASH…. students (including athletes) get to take easy classes with nice professors who give them B’s for book reports.

Oh and Gamecock Tony…I’ll pass.

Ritty, I’m pretty sure that’s not what NewAZ meant in calling it a “non-story.” Then again, reading comprehension has never seemed a strong suit of the AU faithful.

I’ll agree that the NCAA is likely not going to make anything of it, because it’s probably not strictly football related. Where it becomes an issue though is with Auburn’s accreditation. They’ve had problems in the past including probations, and even losing their accreditation before. If this shows up as enough of a problem for the university, it could conceivably cause Auburn to face losing their accreditation again. That may not directly effect the football team, but if you don’t think something like that would hurt recruiting and the university, you’re out of your mind.

Hey Rainmaker…relatively speaking this is a nonstory for the NYT. We are about to have another installment of the Crusades after all when….NEWSFLASH…. students (including athletes) get to take easy classes with nice professors who give them B’s for book reports.

You’ll be pleased to know that my home delivery edition of the Times has the “Crusades” adequately covered on A-1 and relegates the Auburn story, despite its obvious importance to you, to the sports section — unless, of course, you were implying that Sports should have covered Hezbollah’s need to trade for a relief grenade pitcher if they’re going to hang with the Israelis in the playoff race.

au has now sunk to the lowest of the lows. It has been reported that au and tosu have merged, manufacturing a mega-quagmire of education that will simply be know as t.u.r.d.d.(The Uneducated Race of Degreed Derelicts). The mascot of this epicenter of academia will be a compilation of fecal matter donated by Pat Dye and Maurice Clarett the day after “taco night” and will forever embody the great institution. Along with the athletically friendly Independent Studies, other classes based on Pay-for-Play, Professional Athletics (andy “because I don’t need no education” katzenmoyer),Health (this is basically just rubbing one out in some public forum) and Animal Husbandry with an emphasis in beastiality will be offered for further education. With two campuses residing in columbus and operlika, a third is being expedited in knoxville, tn. School officials commented on the third campus in saying, “there is a real growing need for the third campus in knoxville, it is supply and demand, economics, and the dollar dollar bill yo!” The rep then added “this thing is about to bust loose, we have plans to begin construction of new facilities in every city with a population over 200 in mississippi and arkansas.”

When has Auburn lost its accreditation?

SACS had AU on probation and did not yank the accreditation. And SACS was ON CAMPUS during the time these classes were taken and AU was cleared about this time last year.

Rainmaker, you’re trying to make rain here. There is none. Questioning my comprehension skills while demonstrating your lack thereof is mildly amusing. Ritty understood what I was saying.

If this is a major story for the New York Times, then they are in serious trouble.

I tell you what, this whole thing is embarassing. Absolutely embarassing. Here you have a guy that got a freaking phd from Notre Dame and he’s reduced to handing out reading assignments to Auburn football players? I am thoroughly humiliated and accept all due ridicule.

Notre Dan, by osmosis, I now feel dumb.

Thanks for reminding us what a PhD. in Sociology from anywhere will get you.

At least I have my BBA to fall back on.

NewAZ, per usual, you’re making very little sense. It was the reading comprehension ability of Ritty that I was calling into question (but given), but given your misconstruction of my post, perhaps I was remiss for failing to do so.

And, no, Ritty did not understand what you were saying. That is, unless your post was intended to express the belief that this is a non-story in relativity to world events, as opposed to simply a non-story solely within the realm of sports. If you want to be disingenuous after the fact, go ahead and tell me that’s not what you meant.

At what point, exactly, did I demonstrate a lack of reading comprehension skills? Shit, after you call the New York Times, you better get the LSAC on the phone and tell them my near-perfect LSAT was a sham.

So who took your test for you?

Now that’s the kind of razor-sharp wit I expect from a trailer-dweller such as yourself. Well done.

If you must know, his last name was Petee and he had a glorious dick-target and a penchant for sniffing jocks.

This is not only a non-story with regards to world-events, it’s a non-story with regards to sports.

At best it’s a minor story with regards to one particular type of class offered by one particular professor to all students on AU’s campus. That would be a regional or national type story, not a sports story. In fact, the only sports angle I can see is that a minority of students in the classes were student-athletes, and the only way it gets printed is that a top 5 NFL draft pick took 2 of the classes.

No Carnell, no Sports Story. Since Carnell took the classes AFTER his eligibility had expired, it is not a sports story.

And for clarification, SACS was on campus during this time period and cleared AU in December of 2005.

Perhaps we should investigate Alabama’s Criminal Justice program. Seems I recall one of their students was recently arrested. He happened to play football, so I have to wonder if he learned anything in those classes…

I’m sure he learned how to exercise his right to remain silent.

Which is more than we can say for you.

The only thing that makes this an “issue” for AU over and above the typical crip-course shenanigans (sp?) that occur in EVERY athletic program, is the University’s recent troubles with SACS. That’s what the Tigers should be worrying about, and that’s what could cause NCAA involvement.

As a MSM press bashing, NCAA hating, conservative republican UA alum, I believe there are two contributing factors to the story:

1. The NYT (or, the “smart-ass yankee” contingent) loves to do stories on dumb jocks, corruption in athletics, and anything that might conform to their worldview of sports as something which desevres derision. If something like this takes place in a southern state, where they’re all a bunch of misguided yokels anyway, then it’s a bonus. I have no trouble at all believing the the NYT reporters used deception and lies to gain their access, and that they are painting the situation (whatever it ends up actually being) in the worst possible light. Anybody who is reveling in this story about Auburn doesn’t understand that the effort here by the NYT is to discredit the South in general and the state of Alabama in particular: at a MINUMUM at least as it pertains to football.
  (As an aside, if WSJ or Wesson DID leak the story, then Auburn owes them a debt of grattitude: otherwise, the AU provost’s office wouldn’t have been able to get in front of it).

2. Tommy Tubberville put his own dumb ass in this sling by going around and trumpeting his football team’s academic prowess every chance he got. Think about it for a minute: you’re the head coach of a PUBLIC university football team, and you get the results showing that you’re ranked ahead of some of the more prestigious academic institutions in America. Do you then: a)run through the streets shouting with glee and bragging to anyone who’ll listen, or b) say “oh shit, we need an audit”?

I must have missed something and given the number of posts I am not going back to see what it was that I didn’t comprehend correctly. Maybe I should have taken a reading comprehension “directed readings” at Auburn instead of Political Science classes (actually that would have been more beneficial)…but that wouldn’t be news would it? Headline: Some punk kid from Auburn takes blow off class gets B+
Nope, instead it’s…Headline: 4 punk kids at Auburn take blow off class, one is athlete. Now that’s news!
And sorry, I saw what must have been a photoshopped image of the NYT that had a headline about Auburn on the front.

Nice dodge, NewAZ. You and I both know your original point had nothing to do with the relevance of this story in relativity to world events.

And you are absolutely kidding yourself about what could conceivably make this a “sports story.” How about the fact that 18 players on the 2004 team were taking these directed reading courses (which are clearly illegitimate courses in practice) and that Auburn’s APR was presumably inflated by this?

And to see the Cadillac spin on this already…check out USAToday:
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/2006-07-13-auburn-grades_x.htm?POE=SPOISVA

Hey Rainmaker…what exactly are illegitimate courses in practice?

COCK! BALLS!

Rainmaker, 97 credit hours over 85 student athletes is about less than 1.25 credit hours per student. That’s not going to dent the APR either way.

Yes, my original point was that this is a non-story in every sense of the word. You’re sitting around making accusations without pointing out the inconsistancies. I suppose that makes a good lawyer.

Let’s see, Ritty—how about ones in which no real work is required? Ones for which a student receives several hours of credit for (allegedly) reading one book and writing a short paper on it? Or ones that are NEVER (outside of AU) offered as independent studies (i.e. typically robust courses such as statistics)?

All I know is that until Carl Monday gives me the scoop, I don’t know what to believe

Actually, as the article points out, it’s unclear as to how much this practice affected APR (coming from an AU representative), but I guess you know.

As for your statement about my “making accusations without pointing out the inconsistancies [sic],” what in the hell does that even mean?

I agree with you on the Statistics class. I dont remember what the article said but somehow I think it wasn’t a survey of statistics but rather something more specific. I don’t know.

I thought you were going somewhere else with that and my point was going to be virtually every class I have ever taken anywhere was illegitimate in practice.

Apparently, it means that this conversation is over.

Ummm…ok.

“you better get the LSAC on the phone and tell them my near-perfect LSAT was a sham.”

nobody needs to listen to anything you say after this statement, Rainmaker.

completely pointless, and there is always somebody smarter, and somebody who made higher on the LSAT.

p.s. don’t be another guy with a JD who screams “I have a JD damnit, respect my authoritah!”

He has a “buckstache”!

Maybe I read a different Article AZ, but 97 hours divided by 18 student athletes is 5.38 per, which is almost two classes worth.

It certainly had SOME positive effect on their APR.

“you better get the LSAC on the phone and tell them my near-perfect LSAT was a sham.”

nobody needs to listen to anything you say after this statement, Rainmaker.

completely pointless, and there is always somebody smarter, and somebody who made higher on the LSAT.

p.s. don’t be another guy with a JD who screams “I have a JD damnit, respect my authoritah!”

Comment by Benjamin H. Cardozo — July 14, 2006 @ 3:13 pm

Good points — and excellent choice of pseudonym.

wow. 100+posts over this? come on now… why can’t we all just get along? sniff

I doubt that the New York Times has it out for the South, or for the state of Alabama, or for Auburn University in particular. Alabamans aren’t helping their cause with their stupid conspiracy theories and their willingness to look the other way while their institutions of higher learning abandon their core mission: education.

The fact that Auburn EVER GOT CLOSE to having its accreditation yanked over outlaw boosters ought to be humiliating to the Barners, but they don’t care. Defend, defend, deny, blame Bama, blame the yankees, you name it.

Pathetic. This is right up there with Tennessee’s “Madommon double videos” literary masterpiece and the Jim Harrick higher learning initiative at Georgia.

Hey, Judge Cardozo, I have a box full of fireworks and am looking to take the train out of town for the weekend. What’s the worst that can happen to me?

I have said it before and I’ll say it again.
All schools cater to athletes and all of them are bending the rules some.
At least the big powerhouse schools do.
What still makes me laugh a little is the ones who cheat or try to and never win doing it(TMNC THAT IS).
Everyone has thrown a stone or two at other schools while sleeping in their glass houses.

don’t trip, and if you work for the train company, for god’s sake, don’t help anybody.

and change your name, because Palsgraf is a stupid name.

I second the “cock! balls!” motion

Personally, the IS course doesn’t bother me as much as the fact that this kid DIDN’T EVEN REALIZE HE WAS IN THE WRONG COURSE FOR 9-10 WEEKS!!!!

Shouldn’t that automatically put AU on NCAA sanctions?

Cardozo, I think you severely missed the point of my comment. It was not intended in any way to suggest that I was above reproach (or that there was no one out there smarter, etc., as you alluded to)—rather, it was a tongue-in-cheek response to NewAZ’s baseless suggestion that my reading comprehension skills were lacking.

My apologies if it struck a nerve.

Rainmaker, while I agree totally with your assessment of the AU situation, as a recent law school grad, I feel compelled to call you out for your error in judgment re: the LSAT stuff. Nothing screams “I have a small penis” like posting information about your LSAT score on a CFB blog.

I’ll refrain now from detailing my law school resume to bolster my credibility in this forum. But I still have a small penis.

there are enough attorneys on this damn blog to fill an Auburn independent study class. shouldn’t somebody here be billing hours if I’m not going to do it?

Vandy, as I wrote before it was intended tongue-in-cheek and in response to the suggestion that I had difficulty in the reading comprehension department. Regardless, I realized immediately after posting it that I should’ve resisted the temptation.

That said, I find it ironic that in the very post in which you admonished me you alluded to your own “law school resume” in nearly an equally suggestive way as the comment for which you were calling me out.

Rainmaker,

The irony was intentional, as was my admission of having a small penis. (I mentioned my law school resume “in passing” because I have a small penis).

Let’s just shake hands and make up. I applaud your use of “dick target”—that’s a classic. I also enjoy the way you’re sticking it to that crazy barner.

Cardozo,

I’m not billing yet as I have to take the f%#$#ng bar in less than two weeks. I come here for study breaks only to read more about Palsgraf. Gee, thanks. Ha.

Maybe my reading comprehension skills are lacking after all. My apologies.

and it’s all come full circle.

this thread will be in recess.

The Auburn folks are going through the first stage – denial. I am familiar with the concept having had the same reaction when I started to hear what the market was for a marginal defensive tackle. An Auburn caller to a local sports talk show said it was the work of Howell Rains – who has not been at the Times in over two years. When advised of this fact, the Auburn caller said, " um yeah, but I bet he still has connections." There was also some mention of sour grapes though it is uncertain if this was a remarkably unoriginal observation aimed at Bama fans or the condition of the gentleman’s wine celler.

Really, Auburn self-reported with that ridiculously HIGH Academic Progress Rate report.

Who could have foreseen THIS effect of an absurd program aimed at punishing the LOW end of the spectrum?

Auburn floated right to the top of that little piece of academia self-indulgence.

I love college football, but it has more wrong with it than Major League Baseball. Ever.

I have so far had two reactions to this news.

1. As a Kansas fan, should I really care that much? It’s not going to affect the Fighting Manginos and their inevitable march to the buffe..National Championship anyway.

2. I was born in Athens, and I like UGA, so this is…heh…pretty funny.

However, one question must be resolved. Does AU score any Fulmer Cup points for this? Somehow? Please?

Somebody please tell me AU has to retroactively forfeit the ’04 games.

Why do lawyers always feel the need to tell everyone that they have a JD? Douchebags. No one cares. JDs are not MDs so don’t get all high on yourselves.

Eddie apparently is going blog-to-blog being an idiot this weekend.

Barners should have spent a lot of time on this “non-story”. Seems this worries them almost as much as the possibility that Shula gets his 2nd 10 win season before Tubby does.

Orson,

You mentioning the course “Growing Fruit for Fun and Profit” on this blog (post 51) only reinforces my habit of daily (ok, hourly) visits. http://www.hos.ufl.edu/rldweb/FRC1010.htm
Surely, Stranko remembers the first 9-10 weeks of this class before he realized he was in the wrong one.

Short story: While my couse load was too full to ever take this spectacular class, I only discovered it existed because my roommate took it to fill out a semester. He got a B (!) for an “unkempt notebook.” I still ridicule him between plays at the Swamp when academics come up.

I don’t understand the whole fuss. Almost every school has classes in it that are easy, whether they are freshmen “discover yourself” classes, or PEs. When I was a freshmen at the University of Kentucky I took a class where the instructor let us on the final (there was no midterm) sit wherever we wanted and talk if we wanted. Plenty of people cheated, asked each other questions, looked on each other’s test, but because there wasn’t any athletes in this class it doesn’t matter? This test was easier than Harrick’s at UGA’s, but was there a fuss made about it? As a UGA student I have every reason to relish in UA’s misfortunes, but come on guys… why be ignorant about the situation? There are easy classes everywhere, a few UA student athletes took an easy class, as well as other students of the university. Are you going to say your university doesn’t have any BS classes? Its not like their entire curriculum for 4 years was a bunch of IS classes, reading a book, then reporting on it. For UA guys, it sucks, UGA had to deal with it with Harrick (as if PE classes are EVER hard), and for everyone else hating on UA, are you seriously saying your university didn’t have any gimme classes? If you are, you’re lying to yourself, or your school isn’t in D1 athletic.

At Auburn, a 10 page paper is 3 credit hours.

At Alabama, a 5 page paper is 5 credit hours.

5 credit hours.

Man, this site needs a preview button…

Do you Aubies think that offering the class to real students hid the fact that is purely set up as a tool to keep your football tards eligible? Only 25% of Petee’s students were athletes, but Petee was working at 350% of a normal work load. For shits and giggles, lets say that the athletes would get into the classes that their academic advisor wants them in before those classes are filled by normal students. If the same number of athletes are allowed to take those “directed reading” classes but Petee’s workload is reduced to say 100% of a normal course load, percentage of athletes rises to 87.5%. I guess you guys took directed reading math classes with Barnell.

Of course, JB Closner had already graduated…and didn’t play in the bowl game.

Imagine that, Bama giving 6 credit hours for one 5 page paper. Pot meet Kettle.

You barners can hide behind the high number of hours that Petee was teaching if you want to. Had Petee been teaching a normal load, 80% of his students would have been athletes.

Sorry to hear about this but the Florida Gators have a similar problem. There is an instructor (Dr. Fagerberg) who teaches a course, Medical Terminology, that has been reported for awarding all A’s to athletes. This practice has been reported to his Dean and nothing was done. As it turns out, his Dean is the Athletic Department Representative (Dr. Varnes). Amazing!!!!!!

Wwwwhhhhhiiiiirrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!

Spin control by sheephumpers in full gear!

“So how do we get paid now?”

- Brandon Johnson to Terry Bowden on his first day as AUburn HC.

speaking of tards, shout out to the dummy that came up with the most ridiculous conspiracy theory i’ve ever seen (post 137). This is embarrassing for AU, but nothing more. For all you self righteous pricks who think AU is the only SEC school that is dumping athletes in sociology, give me a break. I guarantee if you look at your own team’s roster you willl see a majority of them are majoring in Sociology or some other completely useless major that anyone with an 8th grade level of intelligence could earn a degree in.

Is that all you can come up with Mike? Apparently you are going blog-to-blog looking for what I write. Thanks buddy!

John in HV, your Brandon Johnson quote is completely fabricated. Brandon Johnson was in 7th grade when Terry Bowden became Auburn’s head coach. He didn’t even play for him. Don’t make things up. You look like an idiot.

NYT – scooped by the OA-News and Pwn3D by the Pickens County Herald.

Pickens County=Home of David Housel (and also yours truly). Looks like K. Strickland has incorporated the message-board brand of conspiracy theory into his article. The irony is gut-wrenching given his inquisition of the NYT.

I don’t think AgBArn is the only school with a “jock major” but theyare currently the only ones stupid enough to get caught doing it in what appears to be record numbers.

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