BRADY QUINN! INELIGIBLE! CRAP!
Who better to officially call crap on a rumor than someone who lives on crappy rumor? Answer: a professional. But when you can’t get them, you get us. Brady Quinn’s ineligibility rumor as floated by ProFootballTalk.com is officially crap, since it attempts to connect the NCAA’s provision barring the hiring of agents during amateur competition with Weis’ suggestion that Notre Dame players shop around a little bit before it gets too late in their collegiate career to take a proper, thorough look around for representation. This makes perfect sense since half of college athletes, otherwise carefully trained, fed, and maintained physical properties, saunter into the NFL draft under the flag of their brother/uncle/homeboy/Master P and get screwed by contract provisions later in their career as a result.

Make ‘em say ugh, why the hell did I sign with you?
As great as this rumor would be–ballyhooed college power rising from the ashes gets shocking comeuppance!!!–there’s very little to it. The rule forbids agreements of any kind between players and agents, which means that as long as someone hasn’t caught Brady Quinn’s signature on a piece of paper or video of him saying “I’m signing with Drew Rosenhaus, because I want an insufferable crapbag as my agent,” there’s nothing here.
=Emoticon inserted for benefit of USC, Boston College, and Purdue fans.
We say all of this because recently we were told that in order to write about something as fact, there had to be something called e-vi-dence to support your assertion. We’re attempting to work with this substance, though it’s an entirely new thing for us. Does one handle it with tongs? Can it be purchased in bulk? And is it relevant when writing about SEC football? (Judging from experience, we think not.)

Metro as hell, but still eligible to play college football.









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Odell 51 says:
Brady Quinn is Bout it Bout it.
Charlie Weiss is Bout it Bout it.
Craig….you knwo he bout it bout it
BOUNCE BOUNCE BOUNCE BOUNCE BOUNCE BOUNCE.
June 27th, 2006 at 10:41 am
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Orson Swindle says:
He’s the colonel of the motherfuckin’ tank. You know you want P as your agent.
150K base salary…37 million in incentives, wodi!
June 27th, 2006 at 10:45 am
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JP says:
“Typical freaking internet”
- the official quote (from a newspaper, kids, a slightly more reputable precursor to the internet) of our associate athletic director in charge of compliance.
And the emoticon sums up anyone who got their hopes up after reading that tabloid fodder perfectly
June 27th, 2006 at 10:52 am
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matt says:
Notre Dame doesn’t play Boston College this year. Don’t know why not. They (Quinn and Co., that is) picked up Penn State and Army for their Eastern swing instead.
June 27th, 2006 at 11:39 am
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PeteJayhawk says:
In defense of PFT, they didn’t say Quinn would be ineligible. They merely floated the possibility based on the fact that they heard Weis was directing his players to pick agents before the season.
It takes some craptacular lack of reading comprehension to claim PFT reported this rumor as fact.
June 27th, 2006 at 11:41 am
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Orson Swindle says:
No, they didn’t, Pete; perfectly valid point. But check this:
“Did I find it a little ridiculous? Yeah,” Karowski said Monday. “No one from the site has called me or Charlie or anyone else asking how anything is handled.”
But so what if we haven’t called Charlie or Karowski?
They probably wouldn’t have answered anyway, but it’s worth a shot, right? They then leap to the “Would the NCAA punish the golden boy” argument. It’s hypothetical content without the framing of satire or “football science.”
June 27th, 2006 at 11:51 am
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Bill says:
The insinuation is still the same, Pete.
The guy who runs PFT is a douchebag.
June 27th, 2006 at 11:53 am
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JP says:
And Loyd Carr might be a bank robber!
I base this on the fact that I saw him walk into a bank and then come out with money. I have no reason to assume that he would follow the rules or that the money was his. Maybe I should write a blog, and then it could be picked up by CNN/SI for the “rumors” section. I could be a sensation! The toast of the internet for 15 minutes!
It takes some craptacular lack of journalistic integrety, for PFT but moreso CNN/SI to be soundly outclassed by the good jort-wearing folks at EDSBS.
June 27th, 2006 at 11:57 am
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Tarpon says:
So he’s metro, he still gets mad ass up in South Bend. If you want to get on a Quinn, get on his slut sister who is sucking A.J. Hawk’s baby dick! What a slunt!
June 27th, 2006 at 12:11 pm
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Andy says:
The only journalism in the whole piece was asking Quinn’s uncle about it. Quinn’s uncle said that the agent list has been narrowed to “a few.” -GADS!! ALERT THE TOWNSPEOPLE!
Apart from that, the only thing the ‘journalist’ did was borrow a rule from the NCAA rulebook and create a hypothetical scenario: ‘IF Quinn does this…’, ‘IF the agent does that…’, all while covering his ass by using his ‘league source’.
What a joke. Like JP said, it is much more ridiculous out of CNN/SI for picking up the piece than it is for some no-name to create a story and post it on his website looking for hits.
June 27th, 2006 at 12:12 pm
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Orson Swindle says:
More Jon Stewart…
…who is a satirist. We’ve circulated rumors before but fully owned up to it because there’s strong circumstantial evidence that it had some traction. On other occasions we got gossipy, got cold-cocked for it, and retracted quickly.
Don’t think Florio’s about that, though. We’d like to mention that we (shocking!) have no journalistic experience or editors either, but still think calling someone if they’ll pick up the phone is a good idea, especially if you’re going to float an mondo rumor like that.
June 27th, 2006 at 12:25 pm
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Orson Swindle says:
Oh, and Lloyd Carr is so NOT a bank robber. He’s actually an arsonist, and a damn good one at that.
June 27th, 2006 at 12:26 pm
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Ron says:
You all mispelled LLLoyd
June 27th, 2006 at 12:43 pm
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PeteJayhawk says:
Florio might be a douche, but it is called the ProFootballTalk Rumor Mill for a reason. He prints rumors, not facts. Simple as that – the grain of salt is kind of a given, or at least should be.
June 27th, 2006 at 1:24 pm
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Orson Swindle says:
Fair ’nuff.
June 27th, 2006 at 1:29 pm
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NDTom says:
There are two main reasons why Notre Dame dropped BC. First is that BC left the Big East and if ND is to honor it’s scheduling commitment to the BE, there’s no room for BC. The second reason is the amount of damage the BC players did to the ND facilities the last time they played in South Bend.
June 27th, 2006 at 1:31 pm
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JP says:
yeah, well Tom mispelled “Fredo”
And we play them next year.
June 27th, 2006 at 1:43 pm
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Muck Fishigan says:
“Fredo”, aka “U BICH” (Univ. of Boston in Chestnut Hill, of course).
June 27th, 2006 at 1:48 pm
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fattus says:
PFT is about as reliable as thebrushback.com…just not as funny
June 27th, 2006 at 2:53 pm
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maskedavenger says:
Since ND had off-the-field issues with Miami (2-5 in last 7 games) and seems to be having them with BC (1-5 in last 6) how much longer before such issues prevent further ND-MSU games (2-7 in last 9)? Oh that my Michigan team could have such sucess against ND so that “off-the-field” issues would arise.
June 27th, 2006 at 2:53 pm
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Socraticsilence says:
The real question here: If BQ was somehow ruled inelgible would he still get Beano Cooke’s heisman vote.
June 27th, 2006 at 2:54 pm
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Orson Swindle says:
He’d get four of them!
June 27th, 2006 at 2:55 pm
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The Contrarian says:
This just in…
SOUTH BEND, IN – Notre Dame Fighting Irish Athletic Director Kevin White announced that the men’s football team will hire British soccer superstar and “uber-metrosexual” David Beckham as the team’s style consultant following the conclusion of the World Cup. Head Coach Charlie Weis added that the move will dispel Internet rumors that the loss of Brady Quinn to the NFL in 2007 will lower his offense’s metrosexability quotient (MQ).
“Jimmy Clausen was rated by many recruiting Web sites to have the nation’s #1 MQ, even as a junior,” said Weis when asked by reporters. “The pressed shirt, the bling and the spiked hair all registered well with our focus groups along the Jersey Shore, which, as you know, has become a hotbed of Irish recruiting. I’m optimistic that he’ll step in to fill Brady’s sytlish Kenneth Cole loafers. However, our team doesn’t revolve around just one player, no matter what Beano Cook or Carson Kressley say.”
College football pundits predict that this is the latest move in the coaching wars between Division I powerhouses. Already, representatives from several SEC and Big Ten athletic departments have already inquired among Hollywood agents about the availability of George Clooney, Ewan MacGregor and Brad Pitt.
June 27th, 2006 at 4:59 pm
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Geaux Irish says:
maskedavenger, you tool:
The Miami record of 2-5 is pretty weak when you take it out of context. The first few of those were against Gerry Faust-led teams, so that wasn’t terribly impressive. The last 4 games between ND and Miami were classic slugfests between the ‘Canes and Irish.
However, if I used your rationale that a team went into hiding due to a poor W-L trend, then I think Miami would have wanted out of the contract since ND was 2-1 in the last 3 games (oooh).
Oh, and one more thing: the last time ND and Miami played was in 1990. In 1991 Miami had to restructure nearly its entire schedule since they were dropping their independent status to join the Big East. ND & Miami regularly played during October, which is right in the middle of conference play.
June 27th, 2006 at 6:05 pm
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maskedavenger says:
Geaux Irish,
I’ve heard it before (both the Irish excuses and the “you tool”). ND dropped Miami before 1991; remember football schedules are not made at the start of each year. Miami’s 1991 schedule included the following Big East teams: West Virginia and Boston College. That’s it. I guess they couldn’t fit the Irish into any of their remaining 9 games.
I’ve heard the horror stories of how ND fans were treated in Miami. Quite frankly, it doesn’t sound that much worse than Michigan fans are treated in Columbus.
June 27th, 2006 at 6:12 pm
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Atlanta says:
Hey, don’t knock Brady’s metrosexuality–it apparently was enough to get Clausen to sign.
June 27th, 2006 at 7:32 pm
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jgb says:
Oh brother, the Notre-Dame-drops-teams-they’re-losing-to canard….
Miami – Series contract was not renewed between the 1988 and 1989 seasons (after the ‘88 Irish win, before the ‘89 abuse in Miami), with the series’ last game to be in 1990. The reason? Remember the brawl in the tunnel before the ‘88 contest (one that was started, it turns out, by ND players)? That absolutely horrified the Frs. Malloy and Beauchamp, who were rather obsessed with ND’s image. A pre-game brawl on national TV? No sir. The series had been becoming increasingly nasty, and the fight was the last straw as far as the good fathers were concerned. Though the Irish had another dust-up with USC in ‘89, that series didn’t feature any of the recent ugliness that the Miami series had, and USC is one of ND’s oldest, most traditional rivalries, whereas Miami had only been a regular opponent for about 15 years.
BC – Gee, maybe if you played a school whose fans regularly disrupted your pep rallies and whose players regularly tore up your field and lockerroom, you might not want to invite them back, either.
If ND made a habit out of terminating series that are not going their way, why didn’t they terminate the USC series in 1983, after going 4-13-2 since 1964, including losing the previous 6? Why, back in the old days, didn’t they back out of ever playing Michigan again after losing the first 8 times they played them (series canceled by Michigan after ND finally won in 1909)? Why is Michigan State on ND’s schedule in perpetuity for the forseeable future? Why did ND keep playing Air Force after being embarrassed 4 years in a row (1982-85)? Why was it Penn State, and not ND, who ended their fledgling series in 1992, with the Lions having won 7 of the previous 11 (PSU joined the Big 10)? Why….
Oh, never mind. I know facts mean little to those who bash ND. Why should this particular issue be any different?
June 27th, 2006 at 7:33 pm
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maskedavenger says:
Using 19th century and early 20th century football results to refute a claim about recent ND schedules is an interesting choice but it is your argument.
Using your information about semi-recent results , when the Miami series was dropped, the Irish were on a whopping one-game win streak. I stand corrected the Irish clearly were not ending a series with a team that had been dominating them (since e-mail doesn’t do sarcasm well please note that this last sentence is dripping with it).
Your BC comments sound awful familiar . . . oh yeah, its the same drivel (or should I say canard?) that I constantly hear from ND afficiandos about why Yost was evil for dropping ND (yes, for the 1038th time I have read Natural Enemies). Apparently, when it is ND that is being looked down upon by another team, it is somehow different.
June 27th, 2006 at 8:38 pm
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maskedavenger says:
One more thing – if ND drops teams that disrespect it then why did ND continue the Stanford series after the 1997 band’s potato-famine routine?
June 27th, 2006 at 9:22 pm
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dannynd01 says:
they never flunked with our field or fans or locker rooms, twit. ND did impose “sanctions” through banning the stanford band from accopmanying the team to south bend for a few years. If the stanford fans had thrown batteries or hooliganned it up, then the series would have been canned. What kind of name is assedavenger anyway??? oh, my bad.
June 27th, 2006 at 10:23 pm
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golferkevin says:
So can anyone confirm if the ohio library masturbation police plan future precincts in happy valley and ann arbor yet? Just an idea.
June 27th, 2006 at 11:05 pm
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OhEssYou says:
I heard Notre Dame wouldn’t schedule Miami because THE POPE TOOK ALL THEIR BALLS.
June 27th, 2006 at 11:23 pm
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maskedavenger says:
Oh no, rather than using his usual rapier-like wit, danny is resorting to 2nd grade taunts. I better go curl up in the corner and cry for my mother.
June 28th, 2006 at 7:19 am
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Bill says:
Yep, ND’s afraid of everyone. They run away like little girls every time they lose a game. Happy? Good. Now shut the hell up.
June 28th, 2006 at 7:42 am
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maskedavenger says:
My my my, some of the domers are sensitive today. I merely took issue with the we dropped BC because they are meanies garbage and have received not one but two internet cursings. Now that I have received such an intellectual stomping I will know better than to discuss such matters in the future. Happy?
June 28th, 2006 at 7:56 am
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jgb says:
maskedavenger:
To refute the baseless (as usual) argument of ND ducking teams that beat them, I had to use a broad time frame – because there are relatively few instances in history of ND losing consistently to a regular opponent. I listed all the instances I could think of:
Michigan 1887-1909
Miami 1981-1987
Michigan State 1997-present
Air Force 1982-1985
BC – 2001-2004
PSU – 1981-1992
USC – 1964-1983
(I excluded Mich. State from 1958-1963 because I forgot about it)
In 5 of those 7 cases, the series (serieses? How do you pluralize series?) were not discontinued. In the case of Miami, I made clear the reason ND dropped the series. Read the 1989 SI preseason cf preview where the reason for ending the series is given. You chose not to respond to that on-the-record reason, but just restate your unfounded accusation that ND dropped Miami because of recent losses. Typical.
As to your BC-Michigan parallel, at what point did Yost accuse ND of disrupting campus activities or tearing up UM’s field and facilities? Please cite the quotes. Oh, you can’t? Again, typical. Yost’s stated reason is that he thought ND was running a rogue program and that the school was not UM’s academic caliber. A unstated reason, recognized by both ND and UM historians, is Yost’s fierce anti-Catholicism (not unusual for the time; anti-Catholic and anti-immigrant sentiments were at a particular high-point in the midwest at the time). ND did not dump BC because they thought BC was running a rogue program or don’t respect the school academically. They dumped them for the reasons I stated, and probably due to the anti-BC sentiments among the remaining members of the Big East, with whom ND is trying to maintain good relations.
As for Stanford, it was their band, not their football team, that performed the skit in question. Their band is banned from performing at ND.
I realize, again, that facts and reasoned argument are of no use against staunch anti-ND sentiments such as yours.
June 28th, 2006 at 11:09 am
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Cartwright says:
maskedavenger,
The Stanford Band was banned from Notre Dame as a result of the potato famine routine.
June 28th, 2006 at 12:05 pm
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Ben says:
There’s also that possibility that Yost dropped ND from the schedule because he was pissed it was playing freshmen (illegal), non-students and it’s academic requirements were largely inferior to the Big Ten at the time. I read Natural Enemies too.
But, hah. You’re right. That couldn’t have been it. ND was a martyr, just like you said. Just like always.
June 28th, 2006 at 12:22 pm
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maskedavenger says:
jgb
Here is why I didn’t bother responding to the history of college football argument – because it is a fallacy. Please inform me if ND had one administration (AD, President, etc.) that spanned from 1887 to present. If so, then we could take an institutional view and claim that ND never ducked anyone. But one it is ceded, as it must be, that various people have been in charge of ND over the past two centuries, the institutional perspective loses a little force . . . doesn’t it? Since this was such an obvious point, I only implied it in the last post. Apparently, it needed to be made explicitly.
The BC-ND parallel was based on my recollection of reports that ND-Michigan games had been marred by fights in the stands. I pulled my copy of Natural Enemies and cannot find any such reference and I have no intention of digging through newspaper archives in hope of finding one. Point for you.
But where your claim fails is that for ND only the officially given rationale is allowed to be considered. For example, BC was dropped because of the Big East. But with Michigan-ND, it was bigotry. One really doubts that UM put out a news release claiming that ND was being dropped in either 1910 or 1943 due to anti-Catholic bias. So apparently, from your view, one can look beyond the official word of UM, but not ND. Is that what you mean by “typical?” Your defense of the Miami cancellation is similar. ND said it was so; therefore it is irrefutable. But UM’s claim that the 1910 game was cancelled because ND was refusing to sit ineligible players? Pure anti-Catholic spite.
June 28th, 2006 at 1:16 pm
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jgb says:
maskedavenger:
OK, we’ll talk specific administrations. The present administration is not ending the Michigan State series though we have lost 7 of the last 9, but is ending the BC series (as of 2010). I have posted reasons ND is doing so. You have done nothing but repeat your accusation, without any evidence to back it up, that ND is ending the series due to losing the last 4.
You brought up the Miami series, ended in 1989 under the Malloy-Beauchamp-(AD before Wadsworth; forget his name) administration. The same administration did not end the Penn State series, though ND had also beaten PSU in 1989 after losing 5 of 6 prior to the previous season. Miami had also beaten ND 5 of 6 prior to the 1988 season. Miami was canceled, Penn State was not. I again have stated reasons why ND canceled the series. You again have restated your previous unsubstantiated accusation without bringing forth any new evidence.
I attribute anti-Catholicism as a factor in UM canceling the ND series almost a century ago because it is a factor that is readily conceded by both Notre Dame AND Michigan football historians. The only ones squawking that ND canceled BC (and for that matter, Miami) because of recent losses are those who harbor a staunch anti-ND bias.
Since you are going to merely cling to your unsubstantiated accusations and staunch anti-ND bias no matter what facts and reasoned argument are presented, why should I continue to respond?
That being said, I wish your team good luck with the upcoming season.
June 28th, 2006 at 3:03 pm
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jgb says:
Oops…
“though ND had also beaten PSU in 1989…”
should read
“though ND had also beaten PSU in 1988…”
God bless.
June 28th, 2006 at 3:05 pm
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maskedavenger says:
jgb
Since I see that you are going to cling to the inconsistencies that I see as readily apparent in your “reasoned argument” I too will call it a day.
So how many Heismans is Jimmy Clausen going to win? (kidding)
June 28th, 2006 at 3:58 pm
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chrisnd says:
maskedavenger
Jimmy Clausen will win the number of Heismans as determined by the New York Athletic Club and the appropriate voting committee.
How’s that for an answer that skirts the issue.
If Beano Cook casts all votes, then Clausen wins the Heisman this year as a Senior at Oak Christian HS.
Actually, I think there is a significant difference between the Powlus situation and the Clausen one. Powlus came into a Holtz system that was smash-mouth, ground and pound running game, and fit in like a family of hogs at Passover. Clausen, on the other hand, will enter into a system (and most likely be a freshman starter) created by a coach who lives and thrives on a passing game.
I am in no way predicting one or four or any number of Heismann’s for Clausen. I do think, though, that Weis will take advantage of Clausen’s skills better than Holtz took advantage of Powlus’.
July 11th, 2006 at 1:46 pm