FELDMAN: GROH GARNERS GROANS AND GRUMBLES
Despite the fact that we’ve been paying for it for years now, we still don’t feel quite like an Insider, dammit. Reading Bruce Feldman’s blog is nice compensation, though; it’s one of two reasons the whole painless addition to the credit card debt each month is worth it, along with the podcasts Ivan Maisel and others have been doing lately.
Feldman wrote yesterday about the grumbles Al Groh keeps earning with his handling of players, scholarships, and inability to communicate much besides grr…err…need grey sweatshirt worked for Bill Parcells…. And in response, Groh can cite the following:
–Has beat in-state rival Virginia Tech once in his six years at UVA, and lost last year’s game 52-14.
–Watched staff flee in numbers over the past two years.
–Has the charisma and pr skills of that sketchy ATM machine in the back of the 7-11. Unlike Groh, the ATM wishes you a good day.

Have a nice day, my ass.
–Mr. NFL did have seven players drafted in 2005, though the highest draftee went in the fourth round (Alvin Pearman, Jacksonville,) with the others coming in second day action in late rounds. (HEY! Don’t forget D’Brickashaw at #4 in ‘06, one of five drafted, though the remainder all came in the fifth and sixth round!–ed. courtesy of readers.) He can advertise with some verisimilitude that his recruits stand a decent chance of getting drafted. On the second day. Maybe. Unless they’re a total freak with a epochal name like D’Brickashaw. ***Or Heath Miller. Any other UVA first-rounders lurking out there?
–A declining return on his recruiting skills, with his top class of 2002 standing in dramatic relief against the following years, including this year’s disappointing class and “alarm” at top recruits leaving the state–for example, UF’s own Percy Harvin, poached from under Groh’s nose by loving text-messaging from Urban Meyer. (Apparently, Harvin enjoys being stalked.) Groh, tone-deaf to PR as always, had this response:
“Sometimes it’s a little challenging to understand what was on the minds of some of the players,” Groh said.
The headline on the article trumps the quote: “STATE RECRUITING PERPLEXES GROH.” Reading this you imagine Groh stuck like a Sim trapped in a corner of his house, waving frantically at the camera as he pees the floor, waves the flies gathering around him away from his house, and implores you to move the couch blocking his way before he dies of starvation.

Someone please move that couch before it kills him.
–Groh has also embraced the kind of nepotism reserved for coaches who’ve won national championships. His replacement for departing offensive coordinator Ron Prince: come on down, son! In all fairness, Groh was the quarterbacks coach when Matt Schaub completed passes at a Steve Youngish rate back in ‘02, and did a nice job developing Marques Hagans. Still, as a coach already struggling to keep recruits in state, beat your rival, and not suffer the periodic losses to supposed gimmes on the schedule, bringing your son on to commandeer an offense that mysteriously disappears on occasion (as in losing to UNC 7-5 last year)…it could just give a disenchanted fanbase another way to justify your professional obituary at UVA.
(Note: EDSBS hero/icon/worship object/angry vengeful God Steve Spurrier had his son on staff; so does Joe Paterno, and most rancorously, so does Bobby Bowden. See how well that’s going? )
Speaking of UVA, please read Ian’s latest piece on…something or other. As in life, reading Sexy Results is more about the process and less about the results, as sexy as they might be. Somewhere just down the page Ian wrote one of the best sentences we’ve ever read; the last bit refers to Jenn Sterger, FSU’s idea of a pinup girl.
On the other hand, I’m thinking that Myron Rolle’s decision to choose FSU prompted the most hilarious letter of intent signing since Stephon Marbury committed to “Georgia Tech University,” the greatest player in Seminole hoops history might be Bobby Sura and they continually get overrated in terms of student body attractiveness on the account of someone who looks like what would happen if Wilson’s Leather Store starting making floatation devices.
Below this is this picture:

You are a very dumb wasp. Here’s your target orchid.
Jenn Sterger and women like her are nothing new in terms of evolutionary biology: Chiloglottis trapeziformis, a type of orchid, produces a pheromone that fools male wasps into mating with it, thus pollinating the flower and leaving the wasp satisfied, dumb, smoking a cigarette underneath an eave somewhere thinking it’s just knocked up a hot young waspette and thus spread its genetic legacy successfully. Which it hasn’t. Which is exactly how a guy who just crawled off that sun-destroyed, silicone-wracked bag of mascara-covered leather must feel after pumping valuble cash and genetic material into an evening with her. Fraud comes in a thousand forms, and you’re looking at three of them right there.









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now_a_hoo says:
Hokie Andrew:
While we’re talking about academics, let’s take the “Dude, Engineering!” argument for a spin. Virginia Tech’s overall graduate engineering program consistently sniffs the USNews top 30. Not a bad little accomplishment, until you realize that the E-School at UVa consistently sniffs the top 40.
So yes, a Hokie engineer graduated from a higher ranked engineering program. Here’s my thing: ten spots higher? Is that a joke? “Tech” is in the school’s name. It’s certainly not “better” enough to make your claim of academic legitimacy anything more than merely colorable.
UVa, university-wide, pwns the holy hell out of the mouth-breathers in Blacksburg.
June 21st, 2006 at 4:52 pm
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Rainmaker says:
By the way, as I understand it, UVA also has an academic policy in place which prevents signed recruits from graduating early and participating in spring practice prior to their freshman year–a practice that is becoming more and more common among major programs. I don’t intend to suggest that this is a monumental handicap, but I do believe it significant for several reasons, including recruits lost due to the policy, loss of competitive advantage otherwise gained by having incoming recruits participate in spring practice, and the lost opportunity to have players get ahead academically, lessening their academic burden (to stay eligible) going forward.
June 21st, 2006 at 4:58 pm
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Nupe in Va says:
I’m no psychic, but I knew this would turn into a “Well, UVA is better than your school” thread.
June 21st, 2006 at 5:22 pm
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now_a_hoo says:
Nupe: fair point.
Let’s all go back to making fun of Clemson and FSU. It’s been two days now.
June 21st, 2006 at 5:27 pm
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Merton Hanks says:
Oh yes, I’m sure UVA would never, EVER admit a student-athlete who wasn’t otherwise worthy of admission to the University. You can “assure” me that UVA’s admissions standards for athletes are much higher than those of Cal, UCLA, Michigan, etc.? Way to back up your point with hard evidence; your debate prowess is formidable.
And we can all play the “idiot athlete” game for any school of our choosing, even UVA. How about the recent fraternity house brawl involving several athletes, including three current or former football players? How about Elton Brown, brandishing his pistola, a la Sean Taylor himself?
Former UVa player pleads guilty to weapon charge
July 15, 2005
AP
CHARLOTTESVILLE, Va. (AP) Former University of Virginia basketball and football player Elton Brown pleaded guilty Friday to a concealed weapon charge stemming from an altercation at a mall in May.
Brown, 21, was sentenced to a 10-day suspended jail term and ordered to pay court costs of $66.
A charge of brandishing a firearm was dismissed, because Brown didn’t point the gun at anyone, his lawyer, Larry Woodward, said.
Woodward said Brown had legally purchased the semiautomatic pistol at a gun store, but didn’t get a concealed weapon permit.
Police said Brown pulled the gun from his truck after he and another man agreed to fight over a woman outside the a department store in Albemarle where she worked. When Brown pulled the gun, the man went back into the store and called police.
Brown is the 20th all-time scorer in Virginia’s men’s basketball history and was a co-captain for the 2004-05 season. He also played on the offensive line for the football team and was selected by the Arizona Cardinals in the fourth round of the NFL draft in May.
June 21st, 2006 at 5:31 pm
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jgb says:
Um, anyone else find it odd that Miss Sterger is third-most attractive of her little 3-chick “pussy posse”, and yet gets exponentially more attention? The other two, especially (to me, anyway) the beautiful Fabiola Romero, are much more attractive and natural-looking, but I haven’t seen them get near the amount of publicity. Are other people’s beauty standards that much different than mine, or are the other two just not the ravenous media whores that Miss Sterger is?
June 21st, 2006 at 5:59 pm
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Rainmaker says:
Merton,
You need to work on that reading comprehension, pal.
At no point did I say that the student-athletes admitted by UVA all turn out to be saints; rather, I pointed out that the statistics you provided are COMPLETELY irrelevant to the question of whether or not UVA’s admissions standards leave them at a competitive disadvantage–a point you just failed to dispute in any meaningful way. Additionally, I never stated that UVA’s admissions standards for student athletes were significantly higher than EVERY school you listed (nor did I state that said standards were “much higher”). If you intend to dispute my contention, where’s your “hard evidence” regarding each school’s admissions standards as applied to student athletes? I do know that many of the schools you cited merely require that the minimum D-1 standards for eligibility are met, and I also know that is not the case at UVA. That distinction alone suffices to make my statement that UVA’s standards were “significantly higher than those of many of the schools you cited” an accurate one.
Then again, given your past few posts, this is pointless.
June 21st, 2006 at 6:10 pm
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Merton Hanks says:
Rainmaker – Cite, please, for your bald assertion that UVA’s admissions requirements exceed NCAA/conference minimums, while those of other comparable institutions do not. And no, citing yourself as the authority for such statements does not suffice. Thanks much. Love, Merton.
June 21st, 2006 at 6:21 pm
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MSR says:
As you well know, that information is not easily accessed, particularly in light of UVA’s affirmative action program which, after the Court’s decisions in Grutter and Gratz, is and is intended to be highly opaque. I do, however, know for a fact that athletes who are admitted to UVA must meet requirements beyond merely the NCAA minimums, as I have close ties to the UVA athletic department. But, just for your dumb ass, I’ll see if I can’t get some sort official info to which I can direct you.
As for the requirements of other schools, do you honestly mean to suggest that there’s any question as to whether or not UGA, Clemson, Miami, etc., require scholarshipped athletes to exceed NCAA minimums? Good lord, you’re a clown.
June 21st, 2006 at 8:15 pm
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PJ says:
Weren’t Ahmad Brooks and Marques Hagans (just a couple off the top of my head) non qualifiers out of high school?
June 21st, 2006 at 8:17 pm
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Rainmaker says:
PJ: yes, and both went to prep school in order to get eligible, and did so successfully.
Merton: a couple of links for your consideration. Note that, in the second article, the only reason he listed UVA below the other top schools was because they accept prep school kids (a questionable basis for dropping them, IMO).
http://holmes.acc.virginia.edu/~jbc4m/personal/football/grad.html
http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=98914&ran=141707
June 21st, 2006 at 11:12 pm
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Merton Hanks says:
OK, out of morbid curiosity, I did the research for you. From the article below, it looks like UVA’s “heightened admissions standards,” as applied to football players, comes in the form of (sort of) refusing to take partial qualifiers. Big whoop. I don’t know the ACC’s policy, but as we saw from the recent “Downfall of the Big Red” article (or whatever it was entitled), chronicling the demise of Nebraska and the formation of the Big 12, each Big 12 school is allowed to admit a total of 4 partial qualifiers (2 male, 2 female) each year within the entire athletic program. So it isn’t as if Groh is making a major sacrifice in terms of missing out on a number of recruits.
Besides, UVA’s decision re: Brooks – shipping him off to Hargrave (which offers full merit scholarships) until he could achieve the necessary test score – isn’t exactly what I would call “taking a stand” against prioritizing athletic ability over academics.
Groh well aware of Brooks decision
By DOUG DOUGHTY
Exclusive to roanoke.com by 5 p.m. Thursdays
Reporters accustomed to speaking almost daily with Virginia football coach Al Groh took note Monday when a phone rang in the background and Groh excused himself.
“Anybody want to take a guess who that was?” Groh asked when he returned to the teleconference.
“A prospect?” one of the reporters responded.
“Bigger than that,” Groh said.
On Thursday, one day after prize UVa recruit Ahmad Brooks arrived at Hargrave Military Academy, a reporter began Groh’s teleconference with the observation: “So now, we know who was on the line Monday.
“You got it,” Groh said. That was the closest Groh came to identifying the caller and may have explained why Groh’s phone was ringing at a time when his secretary usually holds calls.
Clearly, Brooks’ decision not to attend Fork Union Military Academy came with Groh’s full knowledge. Brooks might have stayed with Fork Union if he didn’t know that Virginia would take him after one semester at Hargrave, provided he has the necessary standardized-test score.
Brooks would be the first scholarship athlete to enter UVa at mid-year since football player Moe Anderson in January 1995.
“Can you tell us what you know as to whether freshmen can enroll at mid-year?” Groh was asked.
“What do I know about it?” Groh said Thursday. “I know everything about it, but I’m not going to disclose any of it.”
In the absence of UVa Dean of Admissions John Blackburn, who was out of town, athletic director Craig Littlepage said Virginia’s practice has been not to admit first-year students at mid-year but he does not know of any written policy.
“To my knowledge, there is no written policy of any sort, one way or another,” Groh said.
GROH HAD SAID AS EARLY as last spring that Virginia was prepared to accept Brooks as a “partial” qualifier. It’s hard to say that was an exception, although the Cavaliers hadn’t taken a partial qualifier in more than 15 years.
I’m sure I will be corrected if I am wrong, but I believe that 1986 signees Johnnie Wilson and Darrell Wynn did not meet NCAA standards for freshman eligibility. (Wilson later gained a fifth year of eligibility on appeal).
In 1987, Herman Moore signed with UVa after being told he would be accepted even if he didn’t qualify. Virginia Tech, his other finalist, was unable to get that issue clarified by signing day. Moore eventually met NCAA standards and graduated, although he played only three years, having sat out the 1987 season as a redshirt.
There may have been other cases, as in Brooks’, where potential partial qualifiers were accepted but then met NCAA standards. UVa fans may remember the case of Kevin Coffey, a 1996 signee whose initial eligibility was not approved by the NCAA Clearingouse until he was already in school. If the clearinghouse had not cleared Coffey, UVa would not have required him to leave school.
On the other hand, 1999 signee Art Thomas was in Charlottesville when he learned he had been rejected by the clearinghouse. Thomas went to Fork Union, stayed an entire year, signed with UVa in the winter of 2000 and is a starting cornerback as a junior.
In 2000, UVa signee Hikee Johnson did not get past the clearinghouse. Johnson was a non-qualifier, which meant he could not play in the ACC, so he paid his way for one year at West Virginia.
June 21st, 2006 at 11:15 pm
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Rainmaker says:
Actually, Merton, there’s more to it than that. The school makes individualized determinations, ostensibly using a holistic approach to determine whether or not a given recruit should be offered admission. Exactly how (i.e., the specific criteria used) the admissions department makes those determinations is unclear, as I alluded to earlier (as it’s necessary to ensure the procedures are safe from constitutional challenge), but the numbers I linked to earlier certainly suggest that UVA is requiring more than simply meeting NCAA minimum standards. Hell, I know for a fact that they do–every year there are recruits which Groh knows he either a) is taking a significant risk (of non-admission) by recruiting or, b) should not recruit altogether, regardless of whether those kids might squeak by NCAA minimums.
And, as I said earlier, UVA also has an academic policy which prevents incoming freshman from enrolling in-time to participate in spring practice. Again, I don’t believe such to be a tremendous handicap, but taken in totality, UVA is at a significant competitive disadvantage against some of its intraconference rivals. And since you continue to struggle with basic reading comprehension: I never stated that UVA was “taking a stand”–the issue all along has been whether or not UVA’s academic standards have any impact on their ability to compete with the perennial powerhouses.
By the way, who’s your team?
June 22nd, 2006 at 9:21 am